From the halls of the glibertarian right to the swamps of wingnuttia, I keep reading some lame variation of “it’s unfair to call the Teabaggers racists.”
Now, again — I don’t see much value in accusing people of being racists, because as I’ve pointed out previously, very few racists actually come and out and admit they’re racists. On the other hand, condemning racist behavior is useful, and exactly what the NAACP did this week.
Today, NAACP delegates passed a resolution to condemn extremist elements within the Tea Party, calling on Tea Party leaders to repudiate those in their ranks who use racist language in their signs and speeches.
Perfectly fine. So when, say, Glenn Beck goes on national television and says,
This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture…
Teabagger leaders like Sarah Palin should have her ghostwriter get on Facebook and write, “I strongly condemn Glenn Beck’s racist remarks.” But she did not. Why?
Or when Steve King (T-IA) says,
…the president has demonstrated that he has a default mechanism in him that breaks down the side of race – on the side that favors the black person.
…Teabagger groupies like Glenn “Instapundit” Reynolds should write, “Steve King’s comments about President Obama are beyond the pale and have no place in the Tea Party.” But he did not. Why?
Or when Mark Williams, former leader of the Tea Party Express writes,
I am mocking those people who call themselves “Colored People” and who are now fighting to be kept as government owned pets, whilst hurling charges of racism at those who embrace freedom and civil rights.
…Teabagger cheerleaders like Jonah’s bloggers at NRO should come out and say, “Williams’ bigoted remarks are not indicative of the Tea Party movement.” But they did not. Why?
So the NAACP is quite right to insist that prominent Teabaggers police their own, because they have thus far absolutely refused to do so.
And all this is an aside to the fact that there are reams of photographic evidence and lots of credible polls (see here, here and here) that show that a majority — not some tiny minority — of Teabaggers have serious issues with race.
The bottom line is, a perfectly reasonable person could look at all of this ugliness and might conclude that the Teabaggers are a racist movement. And the Teabaggers have no one to blame but themselves.
Qui tacet consentire videtur, as they say.




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Shorter Mark Williams: F^&*ing n^%%ers are too stupid and lazy to see we’re not racists.
Perhaps the Tea Partiers wish for a blizzard? A complete white-out?
Conveniently, there seems to be damn few reasonable persons in the TeaBagger movement. Voila! The problem solves itself.
If Obama wasn’t racist, he’d admit to being A White Man !
Yo RonD !
How’s it goin’, eh ?
Posting racial slurs but attributing them to others sounds a little trolly to me.
Whining Teabagger apologist in 3…2…1…
Hmm,
This here’s ‘Merika, we only speak ‘Merikan, not some ancient form of I Talian….LOL.
Per your statement that racists are usually the last to admit to such..it’s patently obvious to even relatively objective observers that the so-called “tea party” movement has a large streak of racism.
Former KLCC-FM and NPR stringer Alan Siporin used to say: “If you grew up in America, don’t claim that you’re NOT racist, sexist and homophobic (and, by inference, classicist, ageist, rankist, etc). Admit that you have those influences, and work to change them”.
I applaud the NAACP for calling it like it is. Too many folks try to paper over the tea party movement. I see a latent fascist influence in them, and a barely-suppressed tendency toward violence against those they disdain. We on the left have to stand up against them, and speak the truth. Those on the far right never let facts get in their way. As Thomas Jefferson wrote “Let facts be presented to a candid world”. I think as time goes by, these folks’ predilections will become more apparent and blatant. Let’s hold their feet to the fire.
I suppose it could be a rare form of Tourettes Syndrome.
Very rare…most Tourette’s patients don’t paint their outbursts on picket signs.
Only “morans” are racists.
All movements and political parties, left and right, have their share of haters and kooks…they cannot be completely eradicated from society, BUT they are NOT and never will be a fair representation of America.
The charges of racism at the heart of this debate are intended to do one thing, and one thing only, to keep individuals from questioning the size and scope of the federal government and more specifically the Democrat commitment to/policies towards minorities. Critic of the Tea Party seek to keep individuals ‘in the fold’ of the Democratic party by denying them a viable alternative, a movement INDEPENDENT of the Democratic establishment.
The Tea Party movement is the biggest threat to the political establishment, and if Blacks and other minorities were to join political independents and leave the Democratic party en masse, the political landscape in this country would be significantly altered.
Hey Petro! Sweating out another brutal FL summer…how are you?
Trying to find some shade … hottest summer I can remember.
Ah well, soon it’ll be over and we’ll be moaning about Winter. *g*
The sign states “Obama’s Plan White Slavery”.
Hmmm…The effect is accurate, the cause? Wall St?
Uh, he IS a white man. Remember, his mom was born in Kansas of Euro-American parents. So, he’s half white, and half black. Choose which half you want to embrace. LOL It’s all so stupid. Multiracialism is the future.
First, I’m sure that not everyone who wanted to be in the Tea Party is a racist. The problem, though, is the number that openly revel in their animosity pretty much forces the rational elements that might have some kind of valid point to go somewhere else. This vaguely defined group is now just a grassroots “think tank” for the right-wing of the Republican Party with just a hint of plausible deniability. They don’t want the label of racist because it slows down possible MSM appearances and that is the reason they have corporate owning sponsors. The new southern strategy is to keep the faith, hide the hood and don’t get caught tying the rope.
It’s not racism if you hate all victims equally.
But they may indeed be a fair representation of the Tea Party movement, in the opinion of this independent.
Howdy !
The regulars here know that my comment was snark …
I’m pretty sure disaffected Dems wouldn’t hew to the “tea party”. I’m a disaffected Dem, and I became a Green. I’m disaffected because the Dems are too MODERATE for my sensibilities, not too left. The idea that Dems would ally w/the tea party is really specious.
Oh, I did, too, just riffing of of your comment…Cheers
As a Tea Party acquaintance actually said ,(with a straight face, “The Tea party isn’t racist, but sometimes some of the people are”.
Great quote. Coming to a t-shirt near you. :)
I don’t believe there is a leftist major party in the US. Republicans? Out-front right-wing extremists. Democrats? Covert right-wing moderates, with some extremist elements. For the vast majority (IMVHO), who are simply interested in competent government for the benefit of all, there is no one. This is why the vast majority could not care less, which simply empowers the extremists even further. It is the self-reinforcing feedback loop of a crumbling empire.
ZZZING!
Thank you, and I’m with ya…..
No reasonable person disputes that it’s painfully and embarrassingly obvious that the vast majority of participants in the Republican Armey financed astro-teabag movement are ignorant and misinformed racists.
Ah, but the GOP’s being TIG-welded to the Southern Strategy (and the fact that the teabaggers are the GOP’s base voters) means that the “one drop” rule still holds for them.
Must respectfully disagree. Were it so, you would not see scads of establishment figures rushing to be seen at Tea Party rallies. Instead, if they were seen as a threat, they would be dealt with accordingly.
Some of my old high-school friends that I have caught up with over the years on FB are virulent Tea Partyers, Birthers, Truthers… and they all have a few things in common… one of which is an innate racist outlook that came out in a big way when Obama became President. One guy posts at least twice a day calls for Obama’s impeachment or imploring us to look at his (Obama’s) Muslim agenda for America. I stay “friends” with him for my daily laugh, and to see what the nuttier half of Wingnuttia is spouting every day.
Yeah, I’ve gotten that one as well (along with the “There are probably more racists in the NAACP than there are in the Tea Parties”)
I have a couple of those too. Same experience.
I wonder what they want him impeached FOR? Being black is not an impeachable crime. He might be impeachable if he had actually done anything but …..
We need to start shunning these people and disavowing their representing their ideology as having any legitimacy in civil society.
may…so you do not know from your own first hand encounters with a Tea Party rally or event? You should check it out for yourself before forming any opinion pushed by the Dem establishment. Scaring folks into staying with the Dems with the charges of ‘everyone else is racist’ is an tried and true tactic.
You are friends with some real kooks.
He should be impeached for taking away a White Man’s job !
None of these people condemn the statements of glaring racists. Why? Ronald Reagan: “Thou shall speak no ill of another Republican.” One must admit they are consistent, and keep their on the prize-political power. You can almost hear it: “They may be racists, but they’re OUR racists.”
who said everyone else is racist? racism is a terminal illness in this country if we don’t stop it. To do that we have to fight it whenever it comes up no matter where.
Oh, geez. I forgot that. “g”
You are on a roll today! Cracking me up!
You’re welcome ! *g*
I think you are right. Many if not most Democrats are not ideological but care more about their money. The nods to civil rights, fairness in law and economics for all is only after they are assured of no threats to their own wealth.
Let’s face it, if Black and minorities ever left the Dem party for any independent movement the Dem base would be in shambles. Many black are culturally conservative but have remained with the Dem party for economic reasons. If any individual is upset with the size and scope of the federal government, and how that growth effects their individual economic freedom, they have cause to ally with the Tea Party movement. If the Tea Party movement was inconsequential, they would be ignored by the establishment and media, like the Green Party has been.
EvilDrPuma is my inspiration …
Anymore, when a mainstream Democrat reaches out his hand to me, I look for the concealed shiv. And as for first hand experience with the Tea Party movement, I am certainly well-acquainted with individuals, but I would never attend a rally, one, for fear of being mistaken for one, and two, I do not need to step in dogs**t to know that it stinks.
I had a former classmate from military high school days who had a Facebook comment calling for Obama impeachment because of the “Socialist agenda”.
I pointed out to him that Obama may be many things but that he wasn’t remotely close to being a Socialist.
He wound up “un-friending” me (I later sent him an email telling him how sorry I felt for him that his world view was so limited that he couldn’t even deal with a mild challenge such as I gave him – and haven’t heard a word from him since)
Uncalled for. Opposing views, politely expressed, keep people honest.
How’d that Tea Party Challenger in upstate NY work out for ya?
Teabaggers aren’t inconsequential; they’re just ultimately irrelevant as the 28% dead-enders.
Untrue. There have been numerous statements by individuals. Given the fact that there is no ‘top down’ organization of the Tea Party movement, and many can call themselves leaders or members makes it unrealistic to expect some type of blanket, or coordinated response. Most Tea Party Activists heard the charges of ‘racism’ leveled during the health care debate. Now most just roll their eyes and get back to protesting the size and scope of the federal government, the coming wave of taxation sure to ensue as a result of growing deficits and runaway spending.
As with any discussion of the economy, the discussion of race here is simply reduced to the most basic stereotypes and mis-characterizations based on strict ideology.
LOL.
It would be lovely if the MSM stopped giving them so much coverage, and thereby legitimizing them.
You know that there are acceptable bigotry in the tea party. Hate toward Muslims. I guess it isn’t racism since it’s a religion, but it is rarely or never called out as such. If they same thing was said about Jews there would be a huge stick and some consequences. But when it is against Muslims it’s fine. If a group (CAIR) complains they attack CAIR as being funded by terrorists.
One of the ways that the right gets away with it’s racism is to have speaker who are black or have black kids do the attacking. That is why in SF the main attacker of Obama on the radio is a white guy with adopted black kids. Surely HE can’t be racist.
It is a great trick and every cause should have someone like that in the position to attack so they can’t be called out.
How can whites be racist? Why the old Crayola crayons had a crayon labeled “flesh,” sort of of a pale pinkish color. What was racist about that? Gimmee a “w” gimmee an “h” gimmee an “i” gimmee a “t” gimmee an “e” What’s that spell? Why it certainly doesn’t spell racist, because whites can’t be racist by definition…
Just keep telling yourself that…until after the election results in Nov. throw the Dems out of office!
There are 3 Tea Parties – which one are you referring to when you say there is no top down organization? Surely not Dick Armey’s Tea Party.
This is one fundamental place where we disagree. I think a large part of the problem is not a runaway Federal government, but the inability of national governments to regulate runaway multinational corporations. The default result is de facto world government by corporation, where we the people are utterly unrepresented, and simple cogs in a machine.
You are entitled to your opinion, but my guess is that you are turned off more by the basic commitment of Tea Party activists to limit government and spending, that any ‘racism’ you may have encountered.
Demonizing the opposition is a clear tactic of the administration and progressives in general. We have seen it deployed on a daily basis and like the boy who cried wolf, it is losing it’s effectiveness.
You REALLY wanna make a wingnut’s head explode? After you tell him Obama’s not a socialist (and adding that he should ask some actual liberals what they think of Obama), tell him that being a socialist isn’t grounds for impeachment.
There are more than 3. Again, your desire to apply some top down, centralized structure is difficult. One can sympathize with what the movement stands for independent of any ‘official’ organization.
You know that Mark Williams was PAID by the Tea Party Express to speak at their events. Did you know that two of the most prominent black people on the Tea Party Express were paid to attend?
One was there to sing and sell his CDs and one was there to make money off of printing up books and other custom printing for the group.
These moves by the TPE were designed to blunt the image of all white people on stage. Smart move, Nobody at the events wanted to note that the black people on stage were paid to be their since the media I called to talk to about it didn’t see what the big deal was, “Well they have to make a living too” said the ABC TV producer in LA.
Yes! Here is good coverage on that on Salon Click Here
Now who was it said “If you’re not with us you’re against us?”
Edit: And how much of that spending to firms like KBR and Halliburton, spending for military installations that are relics from WWII and two wars/occupations of choice do you want to see cut?
“We’d like your opinion of the job performance of some political officeholders. … Next, what about Republicans in Congress? Do you approve or disapprove of the way they are handling their job?”
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Spocko !
Keep hammering my friend, eventually it will sink in …
Yep. It’s called lack of a central goal and cohesion.
Really? That is very interesting. I only know of three. Could you tell me what they all are? Maybe with a link would be easiest? Thanks!
I would agree with you, but the I feel the way to begin to solve THAT problem is to LIMIT government and hold those who are corrupt and negligent accountable, in BOTH the public and private sectors. Our Federal government is set up to preserve and expand the status quo, yet you look to that same federal government to provide oversight and regulation. Trying to fix the system from within is NOT the solution.
The Return of the Jeffersonian Vision and the Rejection of Progressivism
http://www.american.com/archive/2010/july/the-return-of-the-jeffersonian-vision-and-the-rejection-of-progressivism
“The major political development of the last 17 months has been an inrush of hundreds of thousands or even millions of Americans into political activity, an inrush symbolized by but not limited to the tea party movement. It is fascinating to me that the tea partiers have adopted the language and in some cases even the costumes of the Founders. The language of the Founders continues to resonate with the clear timbre of a silver spoon tapping a crystal glass. The majority of the American people seem to firmly agree with the Founders’ insistence that no one should be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. And so we can take satisfaction that most of our fellow citizens in our freeholders’ republic still hold these truths to be self-evident.”
David Dayen has a fresh cross-post up: Geithner Agrees: Warren “Exceptionally Well-Qualified” to Lead Consumer Protection Bureau
Then what is the solution – drowning it in the bathtub?
Look, I am no fan of Bush and I am opposed to the wars. The growth of government and deficit spending kindled under Bush set the stage for the brushfire set by Obama and the Dems.
Indie, what do you think the movement stands for, that makes you so vehemently defensive of it? And do you think ALL the Tea Parties have the same agenda/stand for the same things?
Petro!!!
Namaste
Your guess would be incorrect. I am far more turned off by the basic proto-fascist character of the Tea Parties than any question of government size and spending. You may take me at my word-I have no reason to lie to you.
The American Party were the Know Nothings of the 1840′s and 1850′s. Their remnants meld into the Repubilcan Party. This is from Wikipedia:
Does this seem familiar?
If you discount the wars, there has been very little ‘runaway spending’, the deficit would be here regardless because of Bush’s tax cuts. We should go back to Reagan-era taxation, if not Nixon or Eisenhower.
Namaste SD !
I know, it’s part of my charm. LOL!
Have some imagination…or sense of history. Divided government with the GOP in control of Congress will be the first step in reform, then the GOP will be held as accountable as the Dems for the actions they take to reduce federal spending and our debt, implement entitlement reform and restructure and simplify tax policy.
Today I call on the NAACP to repudiate Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for their repeated episodes of racism.
I’ll wait.
The answer to bad parenting is not “no parenting” …
LOL … Jo Fish !
I’m the kind of guy who researches these things. I followed the money and I tracked the people.
I got a lot of information from the filings of “Our Coun try Dese rves Better” which is the PAC that funded the recent Tea Party E xpress.
I also did research into Freedom Works and the various other non-profits and think tanks who said they were Tea Partiers. Additionally I tracked the people in various parts of the country were was leaders of the Tea Party movement.
That is where you see both the explicit funding and the hidden funding.
One of the things you see is the way that centralized funding looks decentralized by things like buying and selling mail lists to each other for fund raising and “consulting” purposes.
Big groups dump millions into the tea party but it doesn’t come directly to them. It gets split up and goes to local and regional groups so it isn’t reported as a lump sum. Also coordination tools are provided so that the people who are on the team get money. For example quite a bit of money was spent to develop web organization tools and back end support.
I could explain more but what I want to point out is that just because they want to appear decentralized doesn’t mean that centralization of their money stream isn’t real. And also this stuff isn’t illegal. We can and have done this kind of thing on the right. But trying to pretend that their isn’t big centralized money funding aspects of the tea party is not the reality and I have proof.
The teabaggers love their puppet masters like Dick Armey pulling their stings and making them dance.
And you don’t see that as ‘from within’? You have a perspective problem.
How would you have them ‘restructure and simplify tax policy’?
He’ll just come back with some more lame troll shit.
Are you feeling trod upon or something? Someone burn a cross on your front lawn? They wouldn’t serve you at a cafe?
Just like they were held accountable the last time around, right? Welcome to 2 years ago…
“George Bush doesn’t care about black people.”
The GOP has never been held accountable for anything. What a laugh!
If you accept that “THAT problem” is uncontrollable transnationals, how is one to hold those who are corrupt and negligent accountable if governments are hobbled? I’ll be ok with limiting government when you’re ok with limiting corporations. Fair enough?
Yeah, I know … but it’s a slow Friday afternoon … *g*
I now that many of Tea Party Activists were drawn together during the Bush administration, and they opposed the big government programs of Medicare Part D and No Child Left Behind. Their ranks swelled when Obama betrayed his ‘pragmatic’ and ‘moderate’ labels by expanding TARP, pushing through the bill known as ‘porkulus’ and the massive ‘stimulus’. With unemployment firmly the top priority of most voters, they saw as Obama exploded the deficit, with little ‘bang for the buck’ mortgaging our economic futures already threatened by unsustainable entitlement programs. HCR was the epicenter of the groundswell. A program that is as intrusive as it is expensive, it was ill-timed, and pushed through without popular support.
You know what the main difference is, as I see it, between the NAACP and the Tea Party?
NAACP wants to help people by expanding their rights and benefits.
Tea Party wants to help people by taking away other peoples’ rights and benefits.
‘Nuff said.
heh That’s what I figgered.
From the TeabaggerFest I went to in Lincoln NE last summer:
“Morans, the Musical…”
Maybe the costumes. I am no expert on that. Beginning with the rewrite of the DOI you do above, clearly the Tea Party has not adopted the language of the founders. You need to look to the contemporaneous written record not Harper Collins books and B movies.
(It’s “pursuit of happiness” not property).
LOL … Kelly !
*** waves at Petro!***
Wasn’t I arguing about deficit spending with you the other day in another thread? Government surplus equals smaller private sector. Get over the whole deficit thing.
That talking point coffee cup doesn’t hold water anymore, Buddy.
Clear as a bell.
TPE poster boy
Correct. “property” was in Jefferson’s original draft, and replaced with “pursuit of happiness” before final acceptance.
Wasn’t that “purfuit of happineff?”
Petro! Good to see you my friend! I have not been lurking and writing enough here lately!
LOL. That’s what it is now, since NCLB….you know why no one gets left behind? Because no one gets very far to begin with.
How brilliantly succinct. My compliments.
I like the warmongers who can’t find Irak, Iran or Afghanistan on a map.
And need that speaking GPS thingy to get to the local MickeyD’s.
The founders were not as much into property, (as for people and the resources of the earth) as the raison d’eitre for happiness as the tea baggers and puggies of today..
Just curious, did you feel George W. Bush actually DID anything to deserve impeachment?
And as a first answer to your question, I’ve read and reread and then reread the U.S. Constitution again and I’ve still not found where the President has the authority to order the assassination of American citizens.
In my opinion, Democrat, Republican, Whig, Tory, WhatthehellEver, claiming you can kill American citizens with NO due process is about the most impeachable thing I’ve ever run accross.
But would still be interested in your answer regarding W though, if you’re interested in answering.
Well, to be fair, they don’t really need to be able to find them. There is America, and there are Targets. One target is as good as any other, so why sweat the details?
“War is how God teaches geography to Americans.”
-can’t remember source.
Reminds me of a saying from Nam, “A sucking chest wound is nature’s way of telling you you’ve been in a firefight.”
Nice to see Indie making some good points.
To those of you thinking the Tea Party’ers are a bunch of racists, go to a rally sometime, go to two, go to ten and see if there is any recordable sign of racist behavior. If there is, please upload the content to this website/youtube/and every other video site out there. Here is a little more motivation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU0M2Fz5J14 , might get some $$$ out of it.
I’ve seen Black’s, Whites, Asians, Indians (India), Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Agnostics, yellow skinned, white skinned, dark skinned and even some American Indians (at a rally in South Dakota)show up in support of the Tea Party movements main theme – Limited Government.. We don’t care who shows up, we don’t care what your skin color is, what nationality you are, if you man, woman or child, if you have long hair or short hair….these qualities simply do no matter. The only thing we care about is a deep love for the United States and the willingness to stand up for its core values. Take up the challenge of recording this and humiliating the Tea Party movement, we would like to even see you there.
I am in favor of limiting corporations and specifically by allowing corporations that are mismanaged and unethical to bear the FULL consequences of their actions by going out of business. No corporation or program is too big too fail. GM should have been allowed to become extinct, entrepreneurs encouraged to pick over the bones of the failed dinosaur and create new, vibrant companies from the most innovative and productive endeavors of the defunct company.
Instead the government chose to protect a favored constituency, union workers, while denying GM creditors the opportunity to collect their debt. So much for free markets and responsible regulation. “Cronie capitalism’ ruled the day.
Or how about the “Pay to Play” deals made by BigPharma. Play ball with the administration re: health care reform, pony up big bucks to advertise in favor of HCR and you will be rewarded. Oppose the legislation, like the Insurance industry did, and prepare to be demonized. So much for free markets and responsible regulation.
Or how about allowing Goldman Sachs to reinvent itself in the midst of the meltdown, letting it receive TARP funds, and then turn a blind eye as they pay foreign banks 100 cents on the dollar for their risky speculation on Credit Default Swaps.
Or BP. Favorable campaign contributions will apparently by you lax regulation in the Obama administration too! The Hope! The Change!
We must return ethics, morality, and responsibility to government AND the private sector. We must punish, not protect, the reckless and irresponsible by allowing the full consequences of their actions to be realized.
We have rewarded failure and want to protect people from the consequences of their poor choices and reckless behavior. Why are Fannie and Freddie still around?! They now hold even more bad mortgages than ever before and their former officials profited exorbitantly while taxpayers are on the hook for the grand experiment in social engineering. When is it EVER a good idea to buy a house with NO MONEY DOWN, and an inadequate income to support the mortgage? Answer. Never. But what IF we let the government guarantee those risky loans? Surely the full faith and credit of the federal government will make it less risky, no? NO. Not if the whole corporation becomes the foundation for a Ponzi scheme and shell game the financial wizards set up game the system of the no-lose, everybody wins, scheme that the big brains behind Fannie and Freddie invented.
Sorry your coffee is little more than the weakest of teas and we must agree to disagree.
Well, when you put it like that… yeah, I’d have to say that there’s grounds for impeachment. Although, that particular reason would cause massive wingnut-head-explosions! Small amounts of grey matter everywhere, not a pretty sight.
That is a quote from Michael Barone, link provided. Take up your argument with him. Most of us do own property, obtained through hard work, wise investment and responsible, vigilant stewardship. For some property ownership is part and parcel of the pursuit of happiness, if not central to the ideal of the “American Dream.” You seek a world without property or simply splitting hairs as my arguments hold up to debate?
You will need to sell your property soon, to one of the entities you support. Do you understand?
I’m guessing he never played the game of Monopoly out that far.
Land stolen from the indigenous peoples of both North and South America.
Crazy Horse
We hear what you say
One earth one mother
One does not sell the earth
The people walk upon
We are the land
How do we sell our mother
How do we sell the stars
How do we sell the air
~Crazy Horse, John Trudell
I am impressed with how you blithely quote your conservative talking heads and obviously have never either taken note in your schooling or on your own been innervated enough to read the original writings and documents (even the Declaration of Indepencence) for yourself.
Tea Party wants to help people by taking away other peoples’ rights and benefits.
Explain?
This is just a cliche that is used to cement your standing in the ‘echo chamber’ of groupthink here at FDL.
Explain, please.
I question whether you understand the concept of inalienable rights and the social contract.
Well, there’s this for starters..
And having been to 4 of these, there hasn’t been one Teabaggerfest that I’ve been to where I haven’t seen racism.
Then there’s this…
You assume that which is not true. You are intent upon assuming the worst about me and I do not wish to debate with you.
The point that Michael Barone is making is that Progressivism is now on the decline and that many, many more Americans are identifying with the founders as they look to limit government and retain their economic freedom.
Of course you surely know this, but choose to belittle me instead.
Adieu.
Uncalled for. In a groupthinking echo chamber, you would have been shouted down or modded out. People of similar interests naturally congregate, although people have very different ideas about how they should be pursued. The same could be said of Tea Partiers.
Your ideology blinds you to, and robs you of your ability to reason.
Off on the business of the Queen. See all later.
Whatever skills you have to sell are now common. How will you eat?
Like I said, there is nothing racist in any of those youtube clips, some ridiculous things I will admit, but not racist. Maybe your side needs to review what exactly is racist and not make it a living definition.
And we’re supposed to be an “advanced” country. Reminds me of how some countries still believe in honor killings and stonings. We still haven’t gotten over the civil war.Like the character she plays in the award-winning film ‘The Stoning of Soraya M.,’ actress Shohreh Agdashloo speaks out against stoning in Iran and around the world http://www.newslook.com/videos/229629-aghdashloo-cries-out-against-iranian-stoning?autoplay=true
The same can certainly be said about you. Conservatives tend to see the world how it is, now how it should or could be. We don’t wear rose colored glasses.
I dunno. May be a chicken/egg argument.
The ideology robs one of his ability to reason.. or.. an inability to reason leads one to that ideology….
I dunno Kelly, I may have to go with number two on that one.
Have it your way.
Lack of knowledge is hardly a slam, especially if one is inspired to inform oneself through independent research and study.
Barone is wrong. The Tea Party’s ideology is a “reconstruction of history.”It is inspired by the John Birch society and latter day fellow travelers. This is freely acknowledged in right wing writings of the 80s-90s especially. Newt Gingrich takes heavily from them If you are serious I can likely find links to some.
Might have something to do with ubermensch fantasies, that Randian glop.
Like Nietzsche Pops.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtDbSMzXX6M
Personally, the value of the Tea Party is to perhaps split the republican vote, much as Perot did in 1992. I’d be satisfied to see the Tea Party “purists” cause random losses around the country in November. It would make me smile.
Are you serious, John Birch…pull that off a Google Search??? The Tea Party is far from trying to reconstruct anything. The very thing that is powering the movement is our founding documents. John Birch may have similar ideal, but the TP is hardly inspired by it. Maybe a better way to phrase that is both are inspired by similar founding ideals.
I have done my research. Have you?
The Tea Party people may well believe they are inspired by the founding documents and those who framed them However they are being fed re-formed and perverted versions by those to whom they turn for talking points. They are virtually identical to JBS dogma. If one takes the time he will discover almost direct lines from JBS to the present.
This always makes me smile in threads like this, when these teabaggers come in with delusions of grandeur about how popular and big their “movement” is.
Americans’ approval of the Tea Parties is only 2/3 that of Americans’ approval of the Internal Revenue Serivce.
Yes, that’s right, the dreaded IRS is way more popular than the tea parties!
Always makes me laugh.
As for this allegation, you’re full of shit, bud. I’m the guy that argued through a 300 comment thread that the cops who shot dogs during a raid in Missourri last month were acting as they were trained. I’m no freaking Troll, like yourself, but I do dissent on occassion. I think for myself, it’s how cbl2 and OldnSlow raised me. I’d appreciate it if you remember that.
How about Here?. Specifically
If you need more, let me know. I made a favorites folder :)
Once again we are being chided for not attending Tea Party rallies to see what’s REALLY going on, rather than just relying on reams of photographic evidence, videos, tv news and the like.
Well, once again I state that I’ve been to several Tea Party rallies in a couple of different places – or at least stood on the fringes of them. Plus I’ve driven past at least 2 other smaller Tea Party gatherings, and then I also have been regaled with photos and commentaries of different Tea Party rallies by my family members who are big-time Tea Party members.
While I agree that not all Tea Party folk are racist, the predominate theme I’ve seen at most of the rallies that I’ve attended is one of ugly, bullying racism on rampant display. If some here don’t like to hear that stated quite so baldly, well too bad. If the shoe fits….
If the Tea Party were really, really, really serious about NOT appearing racist, then they would DO something positive and constructive about what happens at their rallies. Plus as BT states in the original post, where is the outcry from the putative “leaders” over the overt, nasty racism that IS on display?? There is NONE. Not one little iota of a protest against it.
So give me a break by trying to say that we here at FDL are ignoramuses who don’t know **** from shinola. I’ve been to the rallies; the vast majority there were carrying racist signs and shouting out other creepy stuff. No thanks. I don’t wish to associate with such people. Not my, uh, cup of tea.
And btw, that’s why Tea Party folk OUGHT to stand up and get a clue. Your “leaders” are leading you astray. By NOT decrying all the nasty racism that is very evident at these rallies, your leaders are endorsing and enabling the racism. And that serves one thing and one thing only: to DIVIDE the Tea Party from the rest of us “small” people.
Tea Partiers are being duped by the “divide and conquer” method of the wealthy oligarchs who sponsor you(aka David Koch, etc). And Koch laughs all the way to bank knowing that, while the Tea Party *may* have something of value to say, the Tea Party has succeeded only in turning OFF the vast majority of the population from your message.
Talk about: wake up sheeples.
Excellent … you’re a chip off the old block !
And that’s high praise … I’m very fond of cbl2 & OldnSlow !
I have mixed thoughts about how to combat this Tea Party ideology/movement. I have been watching evolve and grow from its roots in the days of Joe McCarthy, some 30 years as a Liberal member of the GOP. As they became more extreme and religious we made fun of them and went about our business of collaborating in such things as Civil Rights laws and minding our money.
But then the local parties in the west and midwest began to experience blood bath purges of liberal leadership. (The south I see as a more complicated situation as Conservative Democrats just changed parties) I have for years seen these things and viewpoints argued among the grassroots republicans and the various evangelical Christian organizations.
Frankly I am glad the craziness is being celebrated by this fringe and is being exposed to public view. On the other hand my impulse is to advocate for not giving them media attention as a legitimate political movement.
Aw come on … everyone ought to get teabagged now and then …
Came back to this thread to late, but had to say thanks, Kurt. I have tears in my eyes. That was the best laugh I’ve had today.
ROFL !!!
Petro!!! Namaste!
Namaste !
How’re ya doing ?
707!! ROFLMAO
There have always been racists, kooks & nuts around on all sides of the political spectrum. Radical extremists exist on both sides of the 2 dominant political parties, and to a minor extent, some of the fringe extremism has a role to play.
What’s missing here is that, in the past, such nasty, bullying, nutty kookiness was not presented by the corporate media has having some kind of “legitimate” political viewpoint. Previously, whether left or right, it was presented as the radical fringe element. The end.
Now such types are put out front and center and treated – in the media – as if they are “main stream” and representative of a majority point of view…. which is done deliberately to divide and conquer the small people. That’s what I think some find confusing… they actually believe that such radical racism is “legitimate” and therefore not racist.
sigh
That was pretty frikkin’ funny, eh ?
Pretty good except for a busted foot which is healing fine. How ’bout you?
Hee! Isn’t that funny?
Aww, man. Best laugh I’ve had all day with the exception of the Idiots vid at HuffPo.
Frankly my rose-colored specs are a lovely shade of aquamarine… they match my eyes better. I look out at the world thru the allatha time, myself.
Trying not to melt in this oppressive heat. Sending healing vibes to your hurt foot – right or left ?
Agree with all you say except my experience is that this way of thinking is quite pervasive in the entire Republican Party. I think good polling would show it.
I keep recalling how we ignored and laughed at them as they were taking over. I do agree the media has been a large factor in giving them legitimacy but we have to give their leaders and think tanks a lot of credit too.
Yep, they ceded the moral high ground, but took possession of everything else.
We’re on the same page. IMO, it’s all the same thing. The corporate media IS the dominate “party” now, and the corporations are in control – of the government, of the pols, of the media, and of the rightwing think tanks, which are funding and propelling the Tea Party movement. It’s all of a piece.
We on the left used to take the “high road” thinking that would put is in a better position. At this point, I have not idea what to do, as we’re all pretty screwed, us small people, whether we show up screaming racist epithets at Tea Party rallies or we blog here. Not much difference in the outcome for any of us, sad to say.
In spite of Chris Matthews pathetic attempts to prove differently, there is no such thing as a moderate of liberal Republican. We need to remember that when we vote.
Good luck with heat and thanks for healing vibes (really). Of course it is My Left Foot, which, comes to think of it, sounds like a great title for a movie – eh? Maybe I’ll head on up to LA with my “pitch.”
PS I loved your original comment to the effect that if Obummer wasn’t such a racist, he’d admit that he’s a White Man!! Talk about another ROTFLMAO!!! Indeed. But I think that such, er subtlety, flies over the heads of some who post here.
Gotta go. Have a great day. And good luck to us all.
One last parting comment. Listening to NPR right now: Goldman shares are UP!!
And so: on it goes….. hooray for our side, sing the oligarchs.
Have a great weekend !
I’ll send healing vibes to your Left Foot all weekend.
Yesss! to everything you say.
In spite of the liberal idealism the Democratic Party lost what virtue it had to money.
Sadly completely true. ooops responding to TalkingStick at 165 with this one.
Thanks!!!! Much appreciated.
BTW, I am wearing this boot (nicknamed, of course, Das Boot) that looks like a Storm Trooper boot from Star Wars. Quite the rage; get loads of compliments on it. Darth Vader would be green with envy, and no, I don’t mean Biggus Dickus… who has no pulse and has to be plugged in at night!!! yahoooooooo…..
I always believed that The Dick never had a pulse.
Explain this…
Wow, the threads this week really got hit by the troll factor.
Oh well. The strength of the posts stood the test and still delivered insight and documentation on the concerns addressed.
Thanks for this post BT. Wonderful work at shining light on facts.