In Gaza’s largest hospital, chemotherapy is not available.

This Must End Soon.
What is the world waiting for?

Hello, Siun.

This from Mullen is so ‘McChrystaline’ that I cannot believe it has gone untrounced:

“I always try to see the threats and the challenges from an Israeli perspective.”

Hello Newtonusr!

An amazing statement, yes? We rarely say it quite that clearly.

This is like the pathological special relationship with Britain. Not altogether unrelated, to boot. The main difference in the latter case is that Brits have been killed by Jewish terrorists, notably the King David Hotel incident.

Sickening drivel strikingly similar to what one would have heard from Father Coughlin, Senator Bilbo, Henry Ford and their Ilk who lamented America’s refusal to ally itself with the Third Reich about 70 years ago.

I have to wonder if that stance is so impregnable now that it can be said blithely like that, or if he was struck with how starkly it came out, and thought to himself, “I better call the White House, er, Pentagon, er, Lieberman right now!”

Here’s a link to the wiki article on the hotel incident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing.

This is just for you, baggers.

No one named Emanuel, AshkeNAZI, or anyone remotely named as a paean to Judaism should be employed by the executive branch of the US government unless, of course, it really IS the ZOG as complete nutters contend. I’m starting to have my doubts.

Thanks for proving my point. Having someone named Mullen reaffirm the Us-Israel alliance must be bewildering.

* Sigh *

Being pro-Israeli isn’t as easy as it used to be.

The U.S. military appears to disagree.

Don’t forget the Rapture is scheduled for May 21, 2011.

Get your party dolls ready, we are also going to need some helium and clear plastic bags work well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgOMAqzEGG4

So far, his statement – and in fact his “surprise visit” to Israel has only been covered by the Israeli press (who are all full of it) while US press is only talking about his Afghanistan visit which was designed to be damage control or something around McChrystal/Petraeus

So the message was effectively delivered where needed – but unknown to americans who might have a few questions

Siun, Mullen IS representing the ‘American’ perspective. You might find this news
http://www.linktv.org/mosaic/streamsArchive/
from Mosaic on 6/25 -starts at 6:25 into the program- showing what I mean(Israel/Kurd PKK); it’s also more disturbing than the U.S. government propaganda about Iran.

just to indicate that I wasn’t AWOL, but listening to advice

This is the dumb the enemy of my friend is my enemy meme. The US is not an honest broker in the conflict. Israel is declared as a strong US ally and so if our buds have a border problem we, being their ally, see the problem from their POV. Of course the issue of human rights, international law, UN resolutions are trumped by the ally thing.

Sickening is an apt description.

Thanks Siun for reminding us of this yet again.

I’m not sure, Siun, how much it matters whether the American press reports these things. A huge percentage of murcans, probably 90% or better, care not a whit about furrin country stuff.

I believe the only thing that matters regarding Israel is American Jews. As long as they remain 75% immovably Israel-right-or-wrong, ain’t nothin’ gonna change.

Thanks, Siun.

If the plan is approved, after objections to it are heard, it will grant official approval to an urban plan for the Israeli takeover of East Jerusalem.

So, “after objections are heard…it will grant approval”. And they wonder why some folks feel they need to use violence to get their attention.

This violence will be brought by the same people who celebrated and handed out candy on 9/11. And you wonder why the Great Satan and Little Satan stand together against Muslim fascists?

More love from the US establishment:
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=179727

Israel hopes to have the new “negative” list of what is not allowed into the Gaza Strip ready by the time Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu meets US President Barack Obama in Washington on July 6, government sources said Sunday.

The sources said the list of what is not permitted into the Gaza Strip, which will include some 100 items that Israel feels could be used for military purposes, is being drawn up by the Prime Minister’s Office together with the IDF.

The decision to have a list of what is prohibited, rather than a list of what is permitted, is one of the changes in the government’s policies toward Gaza that was agreed upon last week.

The underlying idea is that a negative list will allow more goods into the region, and will prevent a situation where goods such as coriander, pasta and children’s toys are not allowed in.

According to government sources, anything not on the list will be allowed in automatically.

Among the items expected on the list are telescopes, firecrackers, certain types of fertilizer and sulfur. Even some of the materials which are likely to be on the list will not be completely barred, but will be allowed in if earmarked for projects under international supervision, the sources said.

US Senator John Kerry, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, met separately Sunday with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and President Shimon Peres, and told Peres that “everyone in Congress and in the administration” was pleased with the steps Israel has taken to ease up on what is allowed into Gaza.

No one named Emanuel Hassan, AshkeNAZI Mohammed, or anyone remotely named as a paean to Islam should be employed by the executive branch of the US government … … …

Would be equally wrong. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

While I understand that many Americans are frustrated at how Zionists have hijacked some aspects of American government policy it is nevertheless wrong to conflate Judaism and Zionism as you seem to be doing.

Thank You for that.

I do believe that dual citizenship shouldn’t be allowed for folks working in the WH or Senate or House.

see

Constituion, US

for what’s allowed or not.

I agree completely (and would extend the ban include defense forces postings) BUT to the best of my knowledge and belief the vast majority of American Jews do not hold dual citizenship and moreover do not identify themselves as Jews first Americans second but rather as Americans first and Jews second.

Either you are a country of the rule of law or you are not. If you are then the law must apply equally to all.

All I see is a cozy relationship between Zionists, both political parties, Great Britain, and the US. Our entire congress might as well be a branch of the Knesset with Chuckie Schumer leading the entire bunch.

Archaeologists in Israel are trying to displace “a few dozen private Arab homes” on a site supposed to be the City of David. So through the Biblical Archaeology Review pressure is being exerted to force the removal of these homes in another effort to prove that Israel has a legitimate claim to Jerusalem. This after the ethnic cleansing that’s been going on since 1948. Use anything that works, Shoa, Bible text, whatever. As long as other people pay for the expansion of Eretz Israel, the biggest sham since unicorns.

of which country do you hold citizenship?

does yours include a ban on dual citizenship for civil and military officeholders?

All of which is true and none of which makes discrimination against Jews just because they are Jews either permissible or acceptable.

Re-reading what I wrote I think that perhaps I should be more specific – I would extend the ban to any defense-related employment which gave access to sensitive information.

Aloha, Siun and mfi…!

Greetings CT! Have left a comment for you on your Bloody Sunday thread don’t know if you’ve seen this from Mohammed Ibn Laith

This is the place I get my salt from

but if not you might want to take a look before it vanishes from the list of seminal postings.

mfi

Yes, the US will continue to support Zioniam as the national liberation movement of the Jews, and the US, England and Israel will continue to be allies. Both houses of Congress and the US military, as well as the vast majority of Americans, will continue to stand by our Zionist and British friends. ~~~EDITED IN MODERATION~~~
~~ModNote: Intent to inflame is strongly discouraged.~~~

Thanks for the link.

erroneous post, can’t seem to cancel, so substituting this verbiage

you should not suggest that the #27 post is identical to the thoughts and words of David Duke.

it is quite possible that the similarity, and it is nothing more than a close similarity, is accidental.

it is also possible, and I’m only guessing here, that the author of the post might not be flattered by the comparison.

To the moderator–it is peculiar that challenging the patriotism of all Jews, and calling for the federal government to refuse to hire Jewish Americans, is not considered inflammatory, but pointing out the identity of others who share that point of view must be censored.

I suggested exactly that but the moderator censored it as unduly inflammatory. Interesting that the post itself was deemed to be acceptable discourse.

~~~Persistence in name-calling or attempting to inflame a conversation subjects your comments to moderation. There are no further warnings forthcoming.~~~

my comment was intended to allow your point to be made within the parameters of the site.

try it that way next time. save the moderators some work. (and have some compassion for them. it’s a less than easy task that they have and the year-end bonuses may again fail to reach seven figures).

Bill Maher had Queen Noor on his final show of the most recent season. He asked why Jordan made no effort to create a Palestinian state when it controlled the West Bank from 1948-67. She was unable to answer, and Maher pointed out that there is no good answer. The same question would apply to Egypt’s control of Gaza during that same time period. Can anyone explain why there was no claim of “occupation” or demand for a Palestinian state during that time period?

Q: What has Israel done in the last 2 or 5 decades which we could consider the act of a friend? It’s time.

The question is without merit, which explains the lack of coherent answer.

Suppose the world decided to take the better half of Israel, i.e., the part with the big Mediterranean coast, and gave it to the Uzbek Kyrgyrs. Current Israelis would be given the remaining portions of the occupied territories, except for Jerusalem, which would become an international city.

The Uz-Kyrs move in with great relish, and start slaughtering Israelis who didn’t want to move into the West Bank; the slaughtered families, are, of course, considered people who just abandoned their land, and the U-K’s pass it out to their own folk.

Sure enough, the unslaughtered Israelis who remain in the new U-K country fight back as best they can, using a lot of asymmetrical warfare.

They shouldn’t be fighting, you say. They should move to the West Bank. If necessary, the other inhabitants of the West Bank should divide their land to form another new country, and they should give it to the Israelis who don’t want it, but instead want to live where they were before the new U-K country was formed.

Pretty stupid, huh? Like your, and Bill Maher’s question.

It’s an important question. Most of the assistance the Israelis give the US is in intelligence. Retired Air Force General George Keegan told the NY Times in 1986 that the US would need more than 5 CIAs to obtain on its own the intelligence it receives from Israel. Israel provided the US with a MIG 21 it obtained from Iraq in 1966 (the US was confronting them in Vietnam) and Soviet-made tanks it seized in the 6 Day War of 1967. Even now the US is using Israeli technology to protect American troops against IEDs in Iraq. Senior miliitary officers like Mullen know the value of Israeli help to the US, which is why the American military has such close relations with the IDF. Finally, Israel fights its own wars. It has never asked American troops to fight for it.

It would have been easy to create a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza during that time period between 1948 and 1967 if that was the real goal. Your fable, historically inaccurate as it is, does make clear that the heart of the problem is the existence of Israel, not the absence of a Palestinian state. Don’t expect the Israelis to commit suicide. Further, territorial concessions by Israel and the creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza won’t slake the thirst of those who seek Israel’s destruction.

Pretty stupid, huh? Like your, and Bill Maher’s question.

there are no stupid questions, people say, only stupid people misunderstanding them and posting ludicrously confused replies.

Bill Maher would be too amused to be insulted by you, but try to be less insulting to Mr Maher.

~~~Once again, let us try to keep this a civil discussion.~~~

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Macq & Baggers:

Actually, if you do a little philosophical work, you’ll eventually come to an understanding of symbol systems, such as language, and realize that, while there are not necessarily stupid questions, there are definitely grammatical structures that make no sense. Chomsky id’d this problem with the famous statement, Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

Calling a question stupid is careless shorthand for questions that cannot have coherent answers.

By no stretch of the imagination was my post meant to be historical; rather, it was an analogy. While it is clearly a weak analogy, strengthening it only makes the counter argument weaker. Specifically, the principal weakness is that there is no analogously large population of Israelis already living in the West Bank.

It is sad and dangerous that so many of Israel’s supporters think history started in the mid-forties. The unspoken truth is that there was a large, very old, stable society already living where Israel was carved out.

Israel of today is very substantially a result of Zionist terrorism and a subsequent program of ethnic cleansing. So, yeah, Israel’s got a lot of folks wish for her demise.

For perspective, note that Ahmadinejad asked no new question, when, several years ago, he asked why a Jewish homeland wasn’t carved out of Germany. That question remains at least as valid as Bagger’s and Maher’s.

Seems to me that eventually Israel’s neighbors will successfully drive them into the sea. It might be good for Israel to keep in mind they are not in a good position and rather charmless on top of it. If they want a different outcome, I mean.

Exactly.

I am one of those who was once a fervent supporter of Israel, but, now, I am afraid that, to borrow from Baggers above, Israel is committing suicide.

Give me two million dollars, two years, a couple guys good in a metal shop, and a couple real angry, anti-Israel Muslin math grad students, and I can build you a few cruise missiles and plans for more. There’s a guy in New Zealand who built a cruise missile in his garage a few years ago, just to prove he could. He even notified major defense organizations, like the Pentagon and the Brits, that he was going to do it, so they wouldn’t take him out in some black op. He posted pictures and all on the web as he progressed.

I don’t know anything about poison gas or explosive warheads, but I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t be too hard to find folks who do.

So, the whole scenario is quite possibly going to happen in the next decade or three. There is no defense against a low-flying cruise missile that only has to go a couple hundred miles.

I do appreciate your candor in acknowledging that the root of the problem is the refusal of Israel’s enemies to accept its legitimacy in any borders, not the purported “occupation” of the West Bank and the absence of a Palestinian state. There are well-meaning people who naively believe peace will be achieved via the so-called “2 state solution.”. In fact, consistently with your sentiments, history teaches that Israel!s enemies will be satisfied by the elimination of the Jewish state altogether. Hence, all concessions are not only useless; they are counter-productive and dangerous.
As for your agreement with Ahmadinijead, you ignore the historical connection of the Jewish people to the land of Israel for more than 3000 years, the Balfour Declaration of 1917, and the Mandate for Palestine adopted by the League of Nations of 1922. There was no Palestinian state ever in history, and certainly not when Israel was created. Assuming you don’t really care, however, because you believe the international community had no right to establish a Jewish state where it did, it doesn’t matter. Israel is not going to commit national suicide, just as the US is not going to dissolve and return its territory to
the native Americans.

thanks for the advice. I spent a number of years “doing a little philosophical work” after I spent a year or two doing some work on logics.
there is nothing in the question that amounts to incoherence and no basis to say that it can’t be given a coherent answer.

For perspective, note that Ahmadinejad asked no new question, when, several years ago, he asked why a Jewish homeland wasn’t carved out of Germany. That question remains at least as valid as Bagger’s and Maher’s.

and there’s nothing in Ahmedinejad’s question that’s incoherent or impossible to answer without incoherence.
carving out parts of Poland and of the Ukraine would also be logical posits. as would carving out land in the Middle East as shortly after 1948, the largest number of immigrants into Israel from any single nation came from Iraq.

Israel of today is very substantially a result of Zionist terrorism and a subsequent program of ethnic cleansing. So, yeah, Israel’s got a lot of folks wish for her demise.

this statement is coherent but drivelous and can be replied to coherently but possibly with more moderation than I would be alone supplying.

I’m with on what the Israeli right wingers are doing in Gaza.

That said… please stop using the term “Zionists.” Please use a more neutral term like right wing extremists or religious extremists or political terms like the Likud Party.

Using racially charged language like “Zionists” is begging for problems. It makes people stop reading whatever point you’re trying to communicate. I don’t care if it’s usage is proper, it’s charged language who’s use is self defeating.

Please get the word “Zionist” out of discussion thread here. Use more neutral language like right wing extremists, Likud Party, etc. It’s a word that comes charged with emotional baggage.

You are missing his point. The term “Zionists” is already a euphemism. See his post 8 to see what he really means.

Bill Maher is a bore. He called his show “Politically Incorrect” but it seemed pretty damned politically correct to me. And when it comes to I/P, he is certainly 100% “politically correct”. I’m sure he envies Stewart and Colbert, but I think he knows that it is hard to be funny when you are just an apologist. What kind of twisted mind do you have to have to be friends with Ann Coulter? The Left has passed him by and sees right through him.

Do some Googling before you charge that a slur has been handed down.

Try Gellar’s place, too.

I am not as strident as matt, but really, get real. ‘Zionist’ is not a slur.

Agreed. For most In the US, being a Zionist is a positive thing.

Positive or negative is beside the point.
I’m a Democrat, and that carries a lot of positive and negative aspects.
To simply suggest that it is inherently bad to be a Democrat is as silly as suggesting that being a Zionist makes one faultless.
It is neither a shroud of immunity, nor a mark of evil.

as a navy man, the admiral might try to remember the u.s.s. liberty. seems like an readily avialable antidote for the israeli viewpoint disease.

Quoting Haaretz about issues in Israel is like quoting Glenn Beck on what’s wrong in America.

not really