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Anadarko Petroleum Corp.’s (APC) accusation that BP PLC (BP.LN) committed gross negligence or willful misconduct has consequences far beyond the division of liability between the two companies. If Anadarko eventually presses that position in court–and its survival could depend on it–other plaintiffs could piggy-back on a finding against BP, increasing its exposure and accelerating claims against it.
Anadarko’s charge also signals another potential risk for BP: With the rest of the oil industry publicly questioning BP’s drilling and safety practices, it may become harder for BP to find exploration and development partners.
Why can’t people just leave BP alooooone?
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Somethings are just too important to trust to capitalists. Now is the time to start moving toward nationalization of the oil industry.
Oil have to agree with you, Joe.
It is unseemly for everyone to pile onto poor widdle BP.
Mornin’, BT, pups
Where’s the pile? I got a couple tons of shit to add to it.
Alan Simpson is on video calling people who rely on SS as ‘lesser people.’ democracynow.
Replacing psychopaths in private industry with psychopaths in government doesn’t sound like progress.
The revolution has to start from the ground up — individuals must start acting more responsibly with environment. The BP spill could be a wakeup call, if it isn’t already too late.
I’d lean more toward elimination of the oil industry.
Ding. We have a winnah this morning.
Coffee’s gone & so am I. Have great days everyone.
In all of this debate there is something that I think is very relevant but I have yet to see addressed. That is the fact that oil is the primary raw material for polymers, something that we have become so dependent on that we just can’t do without. In fact, our civilization is much more dependent on these polymers than we are in driving around our personal conveyances or the energy produced by petroleum. It is much easier to find alternatives to transportation and energy production than it is to find alternatives for the raw materials for these complex and versatile molecules, yet we just burn it up, poof! Gone forever. Though polymers make up a very tiny percent of all oil consumed, even a tiny percent of zero is zero.
I say declare martial law and arrest all Republicans.
And at least half of the Democrats. There is no representation for the left in this country anymore.
Has anyone heard the name of the New Orleans Judge who is hearing the Moratorium case? All I’ve heard is “Judge”.
Morning BT, Firepups:
Latest news on BP…
This guy really needs to go. Who the hell does he think he works for?
His post-military career publisher? Or maybe Fox News? Just a SWAG…
White House Budget Chief Is Leaving
Good riddance.
Well there’s a good sign. Don’t know what good it will do with Republicans obstructing everything in the Senate.
True free market captialists have no problem with BP going bankrupt. They should not be rewarded for their negligence, mismanagment and extraordinary risk-taking. But while the left is busy with BP and hailing the moratorium on off-shore drilling, the Obama administration’s odious brand of ‘crony capitalism’ is alive and well.
The President said after his meetings with BP execs, “BP is a strong and viable company and it is in all of our best interests to see that it remain so.”
In light of the revelations in the report above why would Obama ever say such a thing? Could it be that several insider fatcats and corporate tools like John and Tony Podesta have enriched themselves greatly from their connections to BP? Just think of the money BP will have to spend on PR campaigns to salvage it’s image and the lobbyting it still needs to do to get it’s ‘cap and trade’ legislation passed.
Reuters is reporting that Brazil stands to benefit from the BP oil spill catastrophe as the US moratorium makes more rigs available for other countries.
Even as an ecological catastrophe makes the future of U.S. offshore drilling less certain, Brazil is plowing ahead with a $220 billion five-year plan to tap oil fields even deeper than BP’s ill-fated Gulf well. Thirty-five rigs are now idle in the Gulf and more US jobs are being lost.
Recently, a $2b loan is being made by the Export-Import Bank specifically to finance purchase by Petrobras of U.S.-made oilfield equipment and services. Uber-capitalist and prominent Dem backer George Soros is a major investor in Petrobras.
The left is sooo easily distracted and whipped up into an anti-BP frenzy that it cannot see the high stakes cronyism, corrupt wheeling and dealing that serves to benefit Obama’s political cabal.
Obama has no desire to nationalize the oil industry, he simply wants to exploit it for the benefit of those who “brought him to the dance.”
Maybe just everyone should be fired. *g*
from twitter: “Update: Civilian member of Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s staff who set up Rolling Stone interview resigns, military official tells NBC News”
Yep. Or both. MacArthur got fired for something very similar and he was a hero. This guy is just a garden variety Republican troll.
Many, many Dems are just as dirty and covered in oil.
The Washington Post reports:
“BP, which has garnered the bulk of public attention and contempt for the spill, has assembled a formidable team of Democrats for its Washington lobbying, legal and public-relations offensive. There is Tony Podesta, who heads one of the District’s leading lobbying firms; legal adviser Jamie Gorelick, a top Justice Department official in the Clinton administration now at the law firm WilmerHale; Hilary Rosen, a former recording-industry lobbyist who heads the Washington office of the Brunswick Group, a public-relations consultancy; and Michael S. Berman of the Duberstein Group, who was a longtime aide to former vice president Walter F. Mondale before becoming a lobbyist.
Gorelick, who also served as a member of the 9/11 Commission, proved critical in coaching the company during tense negotiations with President Obama over the creation of a $20 billion escrow fund for spill damages, according to several sources close to the talks. White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week” that the administration “forced” BP to set up the fund and to intensify its efforts to contain the spill.”
Throw a rock inside the Beltway and you’ll hit somebody who isn’t too proud or ideologically pure to ally themselves with the oil industry when the price is right. It’s Washington, folks.
Guess s/he didn’t get the memo to only schedule interviews of no import.
I’d be for that. :-)
In a classic case of blaming the messenger. Good lord these people are transparent and despicable.
Judge Martin Feldman
Mornin’ All
Guess what? I get to go on a little vacation. The mister is going to San Diego on a business trip for three days and since school is out, we’re going with.
I wish he would have the common courtesy to take Geithner and Summers with him. If only…
If these people didn’t have standing, who did? JHFC
Who gave McChrystal his stars?
Have a bunch of fun….
Woohoo! Hope you have fun! San Diego isn’t my favorite place in the world but there are times that I miss some people there. Lots of touristy things to do there too! :-)
Far out. Give a wave to me ex when ya pass the Claremont exit sign on I-5.
Don’t forget to bring back souvenirs…
Really
Hope and change has failed. I was hoping Obama would [edited by moderator] some Republicans but, no change, he hasn’t.
[Mod note: Please do not wish or suggest violence on anyone, even if in jest. Thank you.]
Homeowners Associations are one example on non official power that I would love to see uprooted from United States’ culture permanently. If any organizations screamed out for regulation due to abuse of power it is those.
Obama, Pakistan and the US empire
You only have to give my ex one finger’s worth of wave when you pass Mira Mesa Demi!
Watch for those bassets on the beach.
Good morning all.
The President must fire the moron general. There is no option.
Like it or not, fossil fuels will be with us for a long time. We can either take control of the the things which affect our lives or take our chances on the good will of self-interested capitalists.
Feeling lucky?
Since I don’t want to leave the dog at home and he’s too big for a hotel, we’re going to campland on the bay. Not exactly roughing it. There’ll be cable and wifi at our site. I won’t be hitting any of the tourstey places, but at least we can hang out and relax.
Agreed.
I really doubt he will though. Republicans might call him “weak” or “liberal” (We really need an eye rolly emoticon).
Not bad! Looks like fun.
Bassets On The Beach – sounds like some sorta mixed cocktail drink.
LOL Looks horrid to me.
It is long past time for our President to remind the republicans that he is the President and they can STFD and STFU.
Oh, in my abandoned dream our President is a liberal.
I wonder if they’ll try to prosecute him for “leaking information.”
It doesn’t look worse that the motel 6 he would have stayed at if he was going alone, though, you must admit.
Why?
Do you feel you have a right to ignore your neighbors concerns?
M’eh, depends on what you’re into. I probably would have agreed several years ago but lately I find myself wanting access to a shower more often than I want to rough it.
Uhm, sorry. They really do have this covered six ways from Sunday. When you write the laws governing yourself you write them in the way that is most beneficial to yourself, of course. Example:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-22/anadarko-bp-may-use-cheaper-process-to-resolve-oil-spill-clash.html
Sorry…
The on sabatical Mr TBogg lives in SD and walks his doggies on the beach.
Andrea Mitchell tweets about McChrystal incident: “How do they not fire McChrytal? He violated military code legally but officials say angry president will not act precipitously more at 1pm”
I can’t argue with that.
And of course what I forgot to highlight there was PRIVATE PROCEEDING.
The small people are most definitely fucked…
Yep. That’s one of the biggest disappointments in this whole administration. I knew he wasn’t a progressive. What I didn’t know is that he was the typincal Democratic Scyphozoan
The concerns of one’s neighbors in a deed restricted community are not necessarily the concerns of the association’s board.
I’m taking my big floppy hat, my folding rocking chair and a book.
No. Do you feel like your neighbors should have the right to turn you out of your home without due process and to be made to lose every penny of equity you’ve accumulated?
Resign… or Change, Mr. President
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/06/21/kevin-mccullough-obama-bp-spill-february-salazar-resign-change/
Did the Obama administration and Obama know that the BP well was in trouble back in February?
New revelations about the administrations negligence?
Don’t forget the oversized sunglasses!
Punitive Articles of the UCMJ
Article 88—Contempt toward officials
Do you attend the meetings?
Do you make your opinions known?
Do you vote?
Have you run for office?
If you don’t participate, you can’t complain.
Gotta find somebody with the cojones to write him up, though.
Yep but he won’t be. He doesn’t even have teh gay….
I *heart* Rolling Stone.
Self-interested capitalists can be directed for good OR bad depending on the morality of the society it serves. When negligence, mismanagement and corruption are rewarded, how will a corporation behave?
Consumers can demand just and moral corporate governanace by rewarding moral and just behavior through the power of the marketplace. But when we allow our government to intervene and prop up companies that should be allowed to fail, than we must share in the responsibility for their misdeeds.
Apparently, you don’t know our Dragon. Hell, he even makes bread down at the food kitchen.
quick pass through major rightie sites – no sympathy for McChrystal, consistent references to “career suicide”
I’m a Trustee. We’ve never done that kind of thing. Do you know it happens? Does it happen precipitously?
In our case, we’ve had disputes with owners over the course of years. There’s been plenty of process, at least on our part.
I do better than that, I rent. My best friend’s mom always said that buying that home was the biggest mistake she ever made. Maintenance fees, particularly for roofing, that never went for the purpose. Nothing but a huge pain in the ass. People I’ve known on boards were old, bitter control freaks.
If somebody doesn’t like you personally, they can make your life miserable. I was pretty roundly despised in my hometown by the homeowners association when I got back from the Navy, simply because I was contemptuous of them trying to pressure me to join, (and pay their dues). I had owned my home for years and it wasn’t deed restricted in any way. Their response was to call the city over and over again on me, (I was never cited because all of their complaints were fabrications) until one day I stood up in an association meeting until I got recognized. I held up my birth certificate and said “Raise your hands if your birth Certificate says Genoa, Texas on it” (Genoa being the original name of the town before it was swallowed by Houston), None of the officers on their board did. I said “That’s what I thought” and I left. they never messed with me again.
New post up top…
That’s a bit of a stretch. *g* I make corn bread at home for the homeless we feed.
Then, I offer my compliments and stand willing to be instructed.
I figured. And yes. It happens and it happens too often without cause, just because somebody doesn’t like you.
If the interaction between Obama and BP was truly a “negotiation,” then presumably BP got something in exchange for their $20B.
Note that they already owe more than that in fines: $4300/barrel x 100,000 barrels/day x 60 days is $26B.
Yep. Best thing I ever did for myself was selling that house almost twenty years ago. Even doing the work myself was getting really expensive, not to mention time consuming.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
US KIA Irak: 4,407
US KIA Afghanistan: 1,128
Iraki and Afghan casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M
US MBS 2010: 21,328 and counting
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
Some of us have been here for years. It takes a while to get to know the pups, their habits, their attitudes. Information comes in dribbles, through time and space. If you hang out here for a while, you’ll learn. I feel honored to be part of this community and to know many of the people here.
Welcome.
Margaret,
Polymers can be made out of vegetative products. There are some classes of polymers that have not been duplicated, yet, but I suspect that a dearth of petroleum would speed up development in those areas.
I’ll think about you and my other friends while I sip one on the beach and watch the sun set.
Really? Now that’s unusual. Won’t make any difference in their criticism of Obama though. If he fires McChrystal, he’s weak on defense, if he doesn’t, he;s just weak.
We have any number of prospective buyers tell the agents right up front to not even consider trying to sell them a home in a deed restricted community.
In exchange for their $20 b BP is allowed to remain, in the words of our President, a ‘strong and viable company’. Yes, they live to profit another day enabled by the Obama administration and the cronies on the inside who enrich themselves off of BP.
No doubt.
Maybe Joe Steel is in with a great homeowners association but the fact that some of them exist doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be vigorously regulated. Too many people who get any amount of power turn into tin pot dictators without somebody there to keep them in line. In Texas, a homeowners association can evict you and seize your property for getting behind on dues or failing to mow the grass a couple of times.
I live in a manufactured housing community. The manager is a real pain. Once she complained that I had a tarp in the back yard. F me. I didn’t want to live in an apartment (the B-3 organs and all) and couldn’t afford anything else. It’s a pain to deal with the association, but we make our beds and sleep in them.
And, I agree with Margaret that authentic regulation is needed.
Not when they own the media and the government.
This administration and the Democratic establishment would like for nothing better than to keep hidden its odious connections to BP. Will you all become establishment tools and carry the meme forward that only the GOP is in bed with BP?
The local rag is full of stories of owners against the associations. Same shit you cite. There was a story not long ago of them foreclosing on the home of a guy who was in Irak over $400 for dues or other simple shit. Assholes.
Taking off pretty soon here. Since we’ve got wifi at the site, I’ll most likely be checking in later.
Love,
Your spoiled vixen, Demi.
Have a safe trip.
Namaste
Later demi. Have fun sweetie. :-)
Yep. Similar stories are common. I can’t imagine why people would want to grant themselves the authority to run other peoples’ lives or why such authority would be allowed. “Land of the Free” my ass. Not when you can be foreclosed for not mowing your grass often enough to suit your neighbors or wanting to change your own oil.
Which is why the internet and alternative media sources are crucial to imforming people and preserving freedom. We can drive the market for information by turning off GE-owned MSNBC and we can vote corrupt cronie capitalists out of the government. We can implement term limits to prevent and entrenched permanent political class from prepetuating and preserving the status quo that allows ‘too big too fail’ corporations to buy off politicians and rake in taxpayer dollars to stay afloat.
Stop reflexively voting with the establishment Democrats over Republicans and stop bashing the tea party. The tea party is the biggest challenge to the status quo to come along in years.
Bio-plastics can help relieve that problem. I read a couple of years ago about how switching to metal catalysts instead of acid ones helped eliminate impurities and increase yield for a type of chemical used to make plastic — and that chemical was derived from glucose sugars gotten from cellulose (which is found in wood waste and straw, for example). And a more recent Scientific American article suggests that it may be possible now to recycle recycled plastics.
More links about this subject are below.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=turning-plants-to-plastic-replacing-oil
http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/more-efficent-production-of-a-green-plastic
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Plastics-Made-of-Glucose-57514.shtml
http://www.springerlink.com/content/n76n488431103j2h
Marty Feldman is a judge now? Amazing!
OK Now I hear John Podesta (Center for American Progress) has a brother Rick who, is a Lobbyist for BP. WTF?
WHo’s getting played here US or BP?
It is long, long past time to legalize the growing of hemp. To the best of my knowledge, the US is the only country where it is illegal. We have Wm Randolph Hearst and Dupont to thank for this situation. Hearst owned a division of Kimberly Clark, Hearst Paper Mfg. They stood to lose billions if hemp was used to make paper instead of wood. In 1937 Dupont developed plastics using oil and coal. If hemp was allowed to make these plastics, Dupont stood to lose 70 – 80% of their plastics business. I sure everyone knows what happened next; grease a few palms in Congress.
Do you know that it was illegal in Virginia NOT to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769? The uses of hemp are endless. A few states are taking action. ND has begun issuing permits under existing state law. Maine and Oregon passed legislation last year.
http://www.alternet.org/environment/140739/help_save_the_earth,_time_to_subsitute_hemp_for_oil/
I am absolutely convinced technologies have been suppressed for decades. The 1908 Model T Ford got 25 mpg. Yet, 100 years later, the EPA average for all cars was 20.8 in 2008 (per Boston Globe article). Something is very, very wrong.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/050711carmileageaveragempg