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The National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform was organized by the President to get recommendations for cutting benefits and raising taxes on middle Americans. They can’t imagine any alternatives, certainly not taxing the rich, who have already suffered hurt feelings from all that ugly talk about their little screw-ups. In the process it gives the Social Security haters yet another forum. Here’s an excerpt from the incoherent Alan Simpson, a grumpy old man who used to be a Senator from Wyoming, until he quit:
SIMPSON: We’re trying to take care of the lesser people in society and do that in a way without getting into all the flash words you love dig up, like cutting Social Security, which is bullshit. We’re not cutting anything, we’re trying to make it solvent.
Lesser people? That’s you, middle America. Jane posted his cranky ramblings in their entirety here. Simpson is the latest rich right-wing Republican to assault Social Security; it has been the punching bag for the crazy right since its passage in 1935. I posted some of the early cranky ramblings from the Republicans here. Here is Congressman Treadway of Massachusetts, doing an early version of the concern troll:
In my opinion, the proposed imposition of the pay-roll taxes imposed under titles VIII and IX constitutes the greatest single threat to recovery [from the Great Depression] of all the administration’s ill-advised policies. Business and industry are already operating under very heavy burdens. Many businesses at the present time are barely able to keep their heads above the water, and if they have to face a pay-roll tax for retirement annuities, and another pay-roll tax for unemployment insurance, eventually aggregating 8 percent, they probably will be unable to continue in operation. This means more unemployment, and more uncertainty.
1935 Cong. Rec. at 5531; the legislative history is here.
The Catfood Commission is calling for public comments; and I have prepared one for FDL. If I filed it on my own, I’d just be some nobody lawyer from Nashville. When I sign it for Firedoglake, the Commission members and their staffers will know that hundreds of thousands of people read it and more or less agree with me. That’s hundreds of thousands of activists who will mobilize against the VAT tax and benefit cuts, and will call Commission members to account for their willingness to default selectively against the American people.
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And here’s the executive summary of my draft. The entire paper is available here; it includes a selection of quotes from the legislative history. Let me know what you think about it. And please support Firedoglake. Thanks.
Executive Summary
Social Security is only a problem for people who don’t want to repay the bonds held by the Social Security Trust Fund.
The 1983 Greenspan Commission caused an increases in Social Security taxes, taxes paid by average Americans, reducing their ability to save for their own future. The Greenspan Commission intended to pre-fund Social Security, and draw it down as needed to pay future claims. The money we need to pay benefits now and for the foreseeable future was paid decades ago by working Americans and is held in the Social Security Trust Fund.
Those excess FICA taxes hid the massive deficits of the last 30 years in the Unified Budget. Presidents and Congresses were able to reduce taxes on the wealthiest Americans without complaint from the deficit hawks, because they benefited. The money went directly from the pockets of average Americans into the pockets of the rich.
Now that it is time to repay those special bonds in the Trust Fund, we are inundated in opinion pieces in the leading newspapers and magazines complaining about Social Security and its horrible impact on the budget. That led to the formation of this Commission and its private funding by the wealthiest of deficit hawks.
Government finances have been trashed by foolish tax cuts, unpaid wars, tax loopholes for corporations and the very wealthy, the failures of economists, the greedy search for greater returns in financial markets and the collapse of moral values in giant businesses. Peter Orszag and the people who funded his research, want to tax average Americans to pay current and future Social Security obligations by raising taxes and cutting benefits.
It isn’t necessary. The money is in the Trust Fund. But the people who manage the finances of the United States don’t want to repay the bonds held by the Trust Fund. They want to default selectively against average people, their fellow citizens, who paid their taxes expecting to be protected in their retirement.
Refusing to repay the $2.54 trillion dollars in bonds held by the Social Security Trust makes the US look like Greece, just another nation unable to govern itself coherently. The people who manage US finances come from the financial elites, the best that Wall Street and enormous corporations have to offer. Selective default exposes them as charlatans. The claims of the economics profession to expertise are puffery. Their theories about the benefits of tax cuts are proven false. Their mathematical proofs about free markets collapse in the real world. Others, like Peter Orszag, who justified taxing the poor to pay for Social Security because it would increase net savings, can’t find evidence for their claims in actual behavior. Politicians have mismanaged the greatest economy ever created into near depression by following the advice of these two groups and by their own ideological rigidity. The US is made to look clownish by these failures.
If this Commission thinks it has to do something about Social Security, then the only fair solution is to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans, the people who have benefited most from the mismanagement, and using those funds to repay the bonds held by the Trust Fund. Making average Americans pay twice for their Social Security benefits is fraud.
Edwin M. Walker




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Great Post Edwin!
Great paper. Infuriatingly so.
There are some typos in there, though. Someone needs to fix them.
But, on substance, it’s a home run.
Just donated a C note to the cause.
Game, Set, Match.
And it’s the folks like Simpson who p*ss’d all the money away that want to default on it.
Feck ‘em all.
bravo to az matt. I put in a piece, as I am able.
the cat food commission. pass it on.
make it clear that they are eager to renege on solemn commitments made 30 years ago. Where is the moral hazard talk about this.
I hear only silence or lies from the bigger people, the endowed, the gluttonous. how many houses do you need. how many cars can one person drive. how many gold bathroom fixtures?
As per the above quote CLASS WARFARE has been being waged and We the masses are losing so badly we can hardly keep going. I say back to 90% taxes on the anything over 250K and use that money to pay back Social Security so we “Lesser” people can have a decent retirement without being put into the poor house. Oh and one other thing All Corporations Must pay at least 20% taxes on their gross receipts, that way we can fix all the infrastructure that They DO use for the betterment of society in general…
We must get all the Corporatist out of Our Government, each and every one of them Must be primaried every time so either they do what We want or they are gone eventually. It can Happen We just can never Give up… That is what they would just love.
Keep up the fight and Never Ever Give up no matter what!!
As Norski says “Keep yer powder dry and pass the Ammunition”… We are at war with the Elite Class!!
Kudos AzMat.. I contributed what I can yesterday… ☺ ☺☺
Most folks just call me Ed; I just thought it was time to put my name on my work here. And thanks.
Maybe, if we raised taxes enough, those corporations would have to hike their payouts to the rich so they could pay their own taxes
sign me up.
and here is what I sent to my two daughters, who are in their twenties and working.
Here is what I want for father’s day.
It is short passage. please read the link. that is your father’s day gift to me. and pass the knowledge or the link on to three friends.
What I want for father’s day is for you to protect your future.
Your future, and to have a happy and healthy life with your momma, is all that I have worked for
Here it is:
cat food commission wants to steal social security
http://firedoglake.com/2010/06/20/social-security-punching-bag-for-right-wingers-since-1935/
Know and own what is happening to your future.
Here is the most concise and cohesive information on how the wealthy of the US and their trained political dogs are stealing social security.
they talk deficit, but the only deficit is their unwillingness to payback the social security trust fund for the money taken to finance tax cuts for the rich.
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I love this rescue social security. The social security trust fund has a value in excess of a trillion dollars. Administrations both republican and democrat have been stealing from social security for years. Every year social security takes in more than they disperse to eligible recipients. Every year the government takes this surplus and issues bonds to the social security fund. The same bonds are issued to China and Japan when the government borrows from them. When the interest is due the government pays China and Japan with cash. When the interest is due on social security bonds the government issues more bonds in lieu of cash. Talk about a scam, this is the tops.
Please look at paragraph on page 7 beginning “Now we have suffered . . .”. The sentence toward the end of this paragraph beginning “Now the Commission is being asked the last part of the retirement funds of many . . .” must be missing a word or phrase, possibly after “being asked” because the sentence does not seem to make sense. Not trying to nitpick, but this is an important point, I think.
Also on page 6, “principle supporters of the view that Social Security . . .” should be “principal supporters”.
How Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan Pulled off the Greatest Fraud Ever Perpetrated against the American People
Thanks. I’ll fix those. The first one should be a reference to the “three-legged stool” of retirement: Social Security, pensions and personal savings.
Very powerfully stated! People will understand the Summary, even if Executives do not….
What I want to know is when are Jane and Glenzilla (Accountability Now, FDL Action, etc.) going to start organizing demonstrations. From what I’ve seen in the HCR debacle, phone calls and on-line petitions are only given lip service, then ignored at vote time.
Also, how long will this $50K goal keep FDL (as we currently know it) operating?
What happens if we don’t make that goal? (What kinds of cutbacks could we see.)
Is this a on-time special situation or will we need to go the well (over and above regular monthly subscription fees) every few months on a regular basis?
The problem isn’t the Social Security Trust Fund and what it does for the citizens. The problem is when politicians such as former President Reagan “corrupt” that system.
Instead of making cuts to a program that actually has social value and is good for our society, it should be illegal to take the funds and put them towards “general government spending”. Citizens didn’t pay into the Social Security Trust Fund for revenue received to go towards whatever is currently popular with the President.
This “lesser person” survives on a sumptuous $870 a month. I bet that doesn’t even pay for Simpson’s toupee.
Jeez, I can’t even imagine living on that little. And I’m single, no dependents to care for, paid for house and car, no vacations. But just utilities, food, insurance, property taxes etc. You have both my sympathy and my awe.
As Jane explained, the problem is to find a funding model that will sustain us over the long term. Conservatives get their money from oilmen like Koch, crazy wingers like Scaife, and other funders. Veal pen liberals get the small donors and the liberal foundations and the big corporations greenwashing and looking for protection.
We are on our own. What do you think we should do?
So, MS, we begin the argument by begging the question. I suppose if you want to begin an argument with that sort of logical fallacy you can; it is a favorite strategy of the tea baggers illogic.
Great. I sent a soft version of this to my list!
These are the same people who urged us to fund our retirements with 401(k)s and IRAs, and now that those have lost somewhere around 30 percent of their 2007 value, they want to take away the rest of our retirement money by turning SS into more IRAs?
F*ck Simpson and Peterson and the white elephants they rode in on!
(I think their own retirement should be funded on the exact same model and with the same limitations as we-the-people get. I also think they should spend several years without any income other than those investments.)
Might help if you actually quoted whatever the hell you’re complaining about. Otherwise you look just like a troll.
Not sure that I have any solutions but here are a couple of ideas off the top of my head. (Willing to admit up front that they may be whacko.)
1. How about targeting donors to sell-out progressive candidates? Steal some of their supporters. Mount an appeal/attack based on the theme “Are you getting value for your campaign dollar”?
Campaign disclosure forms should give us the names. I know from local politics that you can buy lists of e-mail names for some registered voters. (City I live in has about 40,000 registered voters and I think you can buy a list of about 5,000 e-mail names, or 1/8th of the total.) Also, when you have an employer listed, often you can obtain the e-mail address simply by knowing what that company’s format is. (first initiallast name or first name.last name) Perhaps see if some retired FDL regulars can do the research and grunt work on a volunteer basis.
2. How about a direct outreach to select Hollywood types, both execs and stars? Maybe Spielberg, Geffen, Clooney, people of that sort. Perhaps the goal would be an endowment that provides perpetual funding.
3. Setting up a system for gifts of frequent flier miles from readers and others so that when Jane or Jon or EW has to attend some function, there is less out-of-pocket. I think some frequent flier miles can even be exchanged for free hotel stays. (I know that you can donate frequent flier miles to various charities.)
4. How about trying to set up local FDL support meetings in people’s homes? Local and even state and federal candidates often have campaign meetings in people’s homes. Perhaps Jane could host a video explaining what FDL stands for, what battles it has fought, etc. Maybe there could even be a live internet video feed Q&A. You do the pitch, then ask for either one-time contributions or people to sign up for a monthly contribution.
Of course, we try to capture the e-mail addresses of attendees who get a thank you e-mail and the opportunity to receive future e-mail notifications before critical votes, candidate endorsements, etc.
I think we have to start small, test this out in a couple of areas, find out what techniques and tactics work/don’t work. Maybe this could lead to the creation of volunteer FDL coordinators in states or cities. (Not volunteering anybody, but just for example, Montanamaven in Mont, Kelly Canfield in Denver/CO, Phoenix Woman in Minnesota, Hugh in Sacto, ec.)
I’d do it in my area but my house is definitely too small and my neighborhood has almost zero street parking.
Agree some proofreading is needed (other than some typos, I spotted at least 2 incomplete/headscratchers (“the private sector had failed to provide for a pension system, and only 4% of the people covered by the system ever received benefits.” Sounds like a real rightie plan – cover folks under a non-existent system, but is more likely missing some context?).
Some awesome quotes, the more things change the more they provably stay the same:
Treadway:
BAAAHHAAAAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Bless his heart, if there aren’t typos in the rest of that section, his math is no better than modern rethugs’ (3% interest on just under $1B is ‘nearly a billion a year’).
Eaton, in reference to Democrats:
In addition to my earlier comment, some fixes needed:
pg 1, lose the comma after “Peter Orszag and the people who funded his research”
pg 7, sentence starting, “Now the Commission is being asked” looks like something got dropped.
pg 11, section dealing with savings rates and ownership of those savings would benefit from current stats – at least as to the percentage of the population that owns 98% of the wealth.
pg 12, lotsa numbers, check your decimals, commas, and zeroes….
Thanks for the close reading. I’ll fix it up.
I’ve never met a wingnut that said they would refuse to take social security benefits. Somehow they all have earned the payments but it’s everyone else that is getting money they don’t deserve.
You can change the display name for your comments and articles in your FDL user profile.
Pay back…with what? The money is gone. It was blown by spending on wars, welfare, bailouts, entitlements, etc. Social Security has been the ultimate Ponzi scheme, always dependent on an ever-larger work force to keep it funded. But with baby boomers retiring, and with not enough young people to keep the fund up, it was doomed to fail. The increased taxes pushed the date of insolvency out some decades, but the wholesale stealing by Clinton and Bush wiped out that pad.
Millions of people are now too old to start over. We need to protect them as best we can by demanding an end to our wars and bailouts so we can afford our committments to the elderly. As a libertarian, I would set up the prioities as : stop the wars, stop the bailouts, stop the subsidies, stop the deficits, divert resources to Americans who are dependent on government programs such as Social Security, food stamps, housing assistance, etc., then work to free the economy through sound money so that we never again get into the death spiral of a debt based economy.
Ronj: May I suggest you read the following:
How Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan Pulled off the Greatest Fraud Ever Perpetrated against the American People
Damned straight.
You’re making my point. I stand corrected: it started with Reagan and never stopped.
Excellent post! I put in ten bucks for FDL- all I can afford as I’m barely keeping my head above water.
Bless you hoss for ALL your work, and for that FINE piece up above.
You and so many others at FDL bring truth to light, and that’s scarin the shit out of the fascists running our lives.
Always, ALWAYS so proud and informed when you post . . . thanks for all you do.
That’s the shortest and cleanest version and exposee of this macabre fairy tale the GOP spin that I’ve ever read.
Well done, and thanks.
Wow!!!!
That’s one of the best articles on the supply side econ issue I’ve ever read!
Sure there’s more complicated books and such, but I’m not an econ person, so I greatly appreciate when it’s broken down to my level of understanding.
That was incredible, thanks for sharing that!
LOOK?????
Smells, and it’s been a LONG time now . . . . ;-)
Well written – well said –
The 3 legged stool is dead because the GOP killed the 401k voluntary payroll tax that Clinton proposed to encourage savings – and without that incentive, the “buy now” and “we’re at war so shop more” from GW Bush kills saving, plus the kill the unions post Reagan GOP effort means defined benefit plans in the US are dying with the cash account plans that replace them projected to produce only 10% of what union pushed defined benefit plans would have produced. But “shakedowns” of corporations for pension benefits is just about gone, so the GOP is happy. SS is becoming 80% of the under $100,000 a year pre-retirement income crowds post retirement income.
Ronj, Alan Simpson may deny it, but the baby boom and the problem of fewer workers for each retiree was known in 1983. After all, we baby boomers were here. The plan was that we would pay substantially more than was needed to fund the annual payments and build that up in the Trust Fund so it would be here when we need it. It would work exactly like any other insurance plan.
It was not a Ponzi Scheme. That is a republican sound bite designed to get people to forget the original plan. Taxes went up on middle Americans and those barely scraping by, and taxes went down for the rich. That is the cheat. Social Security is sound and sensible.
The issue is exactly the one I stated: the rich elites don’t want to pay those bonds off. They want to default on the promises made to get us to sign off on the tax hike.
I say we should raise taxes on the rich to pay off the bonds and keep Social Security on the same path we planned 25 years ago. Alan Simpson and the rest of the Catfood Commission think we should make Middle Americans pay again, by raising the cap, and make Middle Americans and the poorest among us pay by raising the age for retirement.
That will happen if we don’t act.
Good eye, thanks. I have proofed it so many times, I can’t even see the typos.
Ponzi needed an ever-increasing pool of investors to pay dividends to the the ever-increasing beneficiaries. As long as there were more payers than receivers, the scheme worked. When the number of payers was insufficient to support the receivers, the scheme collapsed.
All of the actuarial tables I have seen, going back as far as the 1980′s, showed that Social Security would run out of money at some defined point in the future. If it hadn’t been for the tax increases of the 1980′s, it would have already gone broke. The taxes bought us a few more decades. The profligacy of the Republican and Democratic regimes blew the money a couple of decades early.
The only way to “save” Social Security is to raise taxes and delay/reduce the already meager benefits. Raising taxes during a depression is an almost certain way of prolonging the depression, and could result in another revenue shortfall due to the more deeply depressed economic conditions. In order to avoid reducing benefits to those who are dependent on them for their very lives, I advocate ending the wars, closing foreign bases, ending the bailouts, ending subsidies, ending the War on Drugs, and reallocating the funds to Social Security and other programs that keep people alive.
It is a pipe dream to think you can tax your way out of this mess. Spending must be cut, but we don’t have to hurt the most vulnerable in the process. Our priorities can be re-ordered. Surely we can agree on that much.