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Poor James Risen.
Excuse me: Poor Pulitzer-prize winner and Very Serious Journalist James Risen.
He writes a story on Afghanistan’s buried mineral wealth, convinces his editors that it is Page One stuff — maybe another Pulitzer, even! — only to have people like Mark Ambinder and Josh Marshall criticize it as old news, carefully repackaged as the ultimate Bright Shiny Object designed to change the direction of the current debate over Afghanistan policy.
The nerve of some people, says Risen. Why, they’re . . . they’re . . . they’re bloggers.
As John Cook noted at Yahoo News, “Risen didn’t take kindly to the blogospheric criticism. “Bloggers should do their own reporting instead of sitting around in their pajamas,” Risen said.” As the very same John Cook noted on Twitter, however, Risen actually phrased his complaint a bit more . . . ahem . . . graphically, which was a bit problematic for Yahoo.
But this is a mark of Very Serious Journalists. Publish what you want, and when you get called out on it from someone who lacks a lofty, Village-approved Very Serious Journalism job, instead of responding to the critique, talk about their pajamas. If pushed, mention their cheetos and their parent’s basements.
*sigh*
You know you’ve made an indelible mark in your chosen field when some theory gets your name attached to it. Sometimes this is a good thing, and other times, not so much.
Consider, for instance, the discussion of the Iraq war by Very Important Journalists. Again and again and again, folks like Tom Friedman noted that “the next six months” are absolutely critical, until of course they’re not, at which point a different six months become absolutely critical. As Atrios noted in 2006, “The dominant view among the in crowd in Washington is that the next 6 months is a critical time in Iraq. As it has always been. They’re all Tom Friedman now.”
Thus was born “the Friedman Unit.”
In a lesser way, the Milbank Unit (coined by Marcy Wheeler) has become part of the media lexicon, measuring the volume of journalist output against the standard set by Dana Milbank: 4 columns a week of roughly 700-800 words. Astute FDL readers will note that Scarecrow, Blue Texan, Attaturk, and others at FDL regularly put out a Milbank Unit every two days. Some, like David Dayen and Jon Walker, put out two Milbank Units a day, and when Marcy gets on a roll, she puts out one Milbank Unit before breakfast.
But I’m getting ahead of myself.
Not every Very Serious Journalist has their name attached to a unit, of course. Look at Mike Allen, the Stenographer-in-Chief of DC and Dick Cheney’s go-to guy for bashing the current administration, and Jim “Pool Boy” VandeHei, who could only manage cretinism when he was shooting for stenography.
*sigh*
All this Very Serious Journalism, from Friedman to Milbank to Allen and the Pool Boy to Risen, makes me repeat four words over and over and over again: thank God for Firedoglake.
In her reply to Risen, Marcy wrote that “calling out government spin is just what we bloggers do for breakfast.” After breakfast, we take on corporate spin, political spin, religious spin, and whatever other kinds of spin catch our attention.
FDL combines straight reporting with both analysis and advocacy, moving from the simpleminded “he said/she said” model so beloved of folks like Mike Allen and David Broder to something a bit more substantive.
- Someone’s wrong (or worse, lying) here, and we think we know who . . .
- Here’s where they’re wrong (or lying), and here’s the evidence to back up our claim . . .
- Here’s what needs to be done to correct it, and this is why we think it’s better . . .
As Jay Rosen noted at the link above, too many journalists “associate the middle with truth, when there may be no reason to.” FDL may have its sins, but equating the truth with the middle is not one of them.
As Rosen noted in another piece about the FDL coverage of the Libby Trial:
It was the most basic kind of journalism imaginable. You’re my eyes and ears, Christy. Tell me what happened today. When it came time to interpret, to get inside the heads of the key actors, they rose to that challenge too. (Here’s video of FDL’s Jane Hamsher, Christy Hardin Smith and Marcy Wheeler after closing arguments.)
But it’s not just the contributors at FDL that make the journalism practiced here something special — it’s also the commenters. The commenters around here often become part of the analysis, as they bring to the discussion their own areas of expertise. Thus, for example, when Marcy Wheeler digs into the weeds of a Department of Justice memo discussing the UN Convention against torture and authorizing “certain techniques” for interrogations of suspected al-Qaeda detainees, the memo gets critiqued not only by her — a scholar of political literature — but also by practicing defense attorneys, former federal and state prosecutors, military vets, pastors, psychologists, government bureaucrats, medical professionals, and people with many other professional backgrounds, each one bringing their own expertise to bear. Theories get trotted out, kicked around, refined and revised — often ending up influencing the next post on that subject.
The FDL Book Salons on Saturdays and Sundays (and occasionally during the week) are a favorite part of FDL for me. Each one is a chance to spend two hours — two whole hours! — with all kinds of authors, talking about their work. Sometimes the conversations discuss and debate the contents of the book, challenging the author, while other book salons take the book as a jumping off point for discussions that go well beyond what’s between the covers, with the author as a pleasant guide. Between the authors, the hosts, and the commenters, they are almost always great conversations — and you won’t find that in the book review section of the NYT.
FDL would not be what it is without financial support. We don’t do fundraising often, but it is what makes it possible to feed the squirrels that power the servers, send reporters to cover stories like the Prop 8 Trial and the BP Oil Disaster, and do the thousand and ten other things necessary to keep the lights on around here. You can help with a gift — big or small — by hitting our fundraising page.
Oh, and one more thing before I close: Risen is also wrong about blogger couture, or at least the couture here at FDL. Pajamas? I think not. As Christy Hardin Smith noted several years ago,
You really haven’t blogged until you’ve written a post while wearing a tiara and a feather boa. It’s “extreme blogging,” and don’t let anyone tell you differently.
Damn straight.
But my feather boa is getting a bit worn, so if you could make a donation on the fundraising page, maybe Jane would get me a new one. Thanks.




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Great stuff – thanks Peterr
BTW has Christy checked in recently with news of her health? I miss her fantastic writing and insight.
I’m thinking lime green would be a good boa look for you, Peterr.
Thanks.
Thanks, Peterr. A good reminder to all us how lucky we are. And I remember when Christy wrote that funny line and loved it. As the mother of 3 daughters I wore some odd stuff at times.
Come on, pups. Let’s feed the squirrels.
Feather boas maybe; but at least we don’t wear NASCAR hats and Elvis shades. Oh, wait, it would be catty to say that……
Feather boa or new OS? I’d opt for the OS.
I frequently wear my Elvis shades while reading FDL and I look so cool. Will have to get a NASCAR hat. :)
thanks Peterr!! ☺ ☺
You get ☆ ✰ ✮ for such fine work…
I donated yesterday how about YOU??
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AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Peterr and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
As a long time participant in and frequent funding contributor to this blog-community, I would like to understand just what we are bein’ asked to obligate money to over the long term. Is FDL to become what it already is, a professionally written 24/7 progressive news and politics journal with an active interactive readership and the ability to mobilize direct political action and response? Are we bein’ told that in order to continue what has already grown here we need to commit more cash in order that FDL not be dependent upon advertising or intermittant emergency or issue specific fundraising? Is FDL lookin’ to the “Pacifica Radio” business model?
I ask these questions because the answers will clarify the intentions of the owners of the site and allow us out here in the community to consider what we might be gaining or losing in what we now receive from the site. In addition, the answers to these questions will beg the question of governance and management accountability to community contributors.
I have been up in the woods for a week or so recently and prior had been reducing my time involved on this site because of what I preceive as a change in the culture and “voice” around here. I am concerned that FDL may be askin’ some of us ta pay for a pig in a poke without gettin’ a committment of what influence we will have over the use of the money we are asked to commit.
I hope that these questions will generate a response but given my concern for the changes goin’ on in the social “network” of this site I won’t hold my breath.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION THE FIGHT WILL GO ON WITHOUT US!!
Give Risen our P.U.litizer award for his odious superiority and blatant arrogance, both essential requirements for the Beltway Bozo club.
Congratulations James for lowering the bar for your already seriously compromised industry. You have some nerve calling yourself competent. Pardon us while we don’t take you and your ilk seriously.
a delicious post Peterr, thank YOU!
That is certainly part of it. You should read Jane’s post from yesterday, too.
I remember the tiara comment. It’s still hilarious.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that WMNF 88.5 Community Radio, Tampa may well be the most progressive radio station in the country. The station has 9000 listener/supporters, folks who give a minimum of $35 a year to the station. Arbitron and other companies compute that there are around 10-15 thousand listeners at any given time, 100,000 total listenership. The station’s budget is right around $1M/year, a small but well paid staff and a couple hundred volunteers to run the place. The News Director, Program Director and Music Director are the only paid staff who are also on air. The News Director was one of those who went door-to-door in Tampa in 1978-79 to get the money to put a station on the air. Started out in an old house in Hyde Park, with the bathtub as the record storage. In 2003 we built a new, state-of-the-art, 70,000 watt radio station. Amy Goodman comes here to pitch during the fundraising marathons. To raise funds to build the station we had the 1000/1000 Club. A thousand people who would give 1000 bucks to the station. There are almost 1500 members of the Club now. Pay the 1000 bucks off in three years, $28/month. The station has 2 7-day fundraisers a year to raise $500K each. On the air for 30 years and still RadioActive.
If it’s worth havin’ it’s worth payin’ for.
What a great idea. Congratulations on having some very smart people do what others think they can’t. If we could get 1000 (or even 500) pups to give an automatic $5 or $10 a month we probably wouldn’t have to have many fundraisers.
I have always advocated that Progressives stand tall and fight hard to establish a strong vibrant “Left of the Left”. This “Left of the Left” will in turn push Progressive principles back in the Center where they belong. FDL is that strong advocate for those real “Left of the Left” Liberal positions that we so desperately need. When progressive sycophants find themselves attacking FDL we can all be proud, because without sites like this the wingnuts will keep their grip on the idea that they represent the “center” of the politcal spectrum.
Norske, you and I have been swimming in the waters here at the Lake for a long time. I’m just curious, what changes do you think have occurred or are in the offing that concern you?
Twain @ 15
There are 4 of the original crew still with the station. Man, that’s a long time. There’s something about that building. I get a feeling of ease and safety in there. Love being there. The last version of the station is now the west parking lot, crushed gravel, the place is all native plants. The week before the old station was razed we had to move all the records, CDs and cassettes into the new building. They allotted 2 days for the task. So many folks showed up we were done by 2pm. Kinda miss the old place, where 2 people had to pass sideways in the hall and the studio had been a small bedroom. heh
Citizen phred:
The answer to what changes have occured or are in the offing is what I’m lookin for, Brother Phred. I have seen a real increase in the visability of a lotta new “cool kids” and the development of a kinda yumpy jockockracy among those who comprise the imperial guard for the accepted party line. An example of what I’m sayin is the treatment that folks like Raven get when they dare to confront the rantings of the new “chic” folks who are tunin up for their 15 minutes of somethin’ like fame.
Citizen Michael Whitney:
I did read Sister Jane’s post yesterday and that’s where my questions come from…I think before we commit more money we can’t afford to this site we need answers to the qustions I asked.
I really don’t quite get your comment. But here’s my best response to your vague question anyway. If you like what you have been getting and would like to support the FDL blog throw in a few dollars to show you think it worth it. Thats it! If you are uncertain about how your precious money is going to be spent, keep it. You can still visit and enjoy everything this site offers and you can also brag to all who will listen to you how you got it all for FREE!
What are these ancient artifacts of which you speak, sir?
;>)
I think blogs like the Lake have changed the meaning of community or at least what we think of as community .
Community is usually tied to place we think of community as the people in our neighborhhoods or folks we go to church with ,in other words local people.
The Lake and others have created a new meaning of community, a disparate group of folks, from many walks of life and many different places, come together and share ideas.We are no longer limited in who we can share ideas with and gain perspective on any given subject.
The Lake is one of my first stops of the day and always will be .
Long live the lake !
No more cassettes but each studio has top of the line Gates turntables and LPs get played all the time, scratches and all. There are albums along that front wall that would bring big bucks at Sotheby’s.
Good – The ears of our youth must be trained to appreciate the differences between analog and digital in order for our species to progress and thrive.
;>)
What happened to Raven? My attendance has been intermittent the last several months, so I’m not sure what you are referring to specifically. Although, now that you mention it I haven’t seen him around lately. I guess I’m just trying to understand your perspective.
IMO I see essentially two camps here at the Lake, the more better Democrats who want to push for change from within the party and those who favor dumping the Dems entirely and pushing for change from outside. These two factions have been duking it out for awhile now, but I consider that healthy. The Obama administration has not turned out as many of us anticipated and now we face a crossroads. It is not obvious to me where we go from here. All I see are our institutions failing us across the board from the government to outside advocacy groups.
Jon Walker has been putting a lot of thought into how our movement might find more effective ways of achieving our ends, what partnerships might be required and whatnot.
I’ll be curious to see what Jane’s answer might be, but from where I’m sitting, the answer to the “where we go from here” question is very much in flux.
In any event, I have yet to find a better forum for information or debate. The gloves come off a lot of the time and tempers (including my own) may be shorter than we would like, but I do think the arguments in the threads are vital and necessary to find new ideas, approaches, and consensus. We are a movement abandoned by our traditional leadership and finding new and effective leaders is not likely to be a tidy or painless process.
Norske, I, too, sometimes have questions, but I see nothing else out there in cyberspace that more closely fits my feelings about community as BB @23 says. Then, as mreddieb @21 says, if you still like FDL contribute, if not, don’t.
Some people complain about being banned here for not toeing the official line. I was one of the first, perhaps the first, to say that obamarahma was not living up to what he said, inspite of most bloggers and commenters saying that it was all eleventh dimensional chess. I wasn’t banned and I didn’t change my view. I don’t think that many here would disagree with me now.
Sometimes bloggers will post things that are in opposition to what another of their fellow bloggers will post. In a community that should be OK. The commenters can then support one or the other or neither. The important thing is that the views get aired.
This site has gone from a little, relatively unknown site to a major force in American politics. From two women who virtually unknow in the blogosphere to both being invited on to TV programs to have their views heard. When they were on TV, they were knowledgeable and smooth and were able to shoot holes in any opposition. Unfortunately, we are now down to one, but she has continued to show the foresight and leadership that has built FDL to what it is. I think that staying and supporting FDL is the better choice.
I find mreddieb response to be attacking and offensive. Norske has a valid query. So why the smart ass retort? So much for dealing with the issue and not attacking the person questioning.
As a several-times-a-day reader of FDL, as a gay Californian man in a same-sex bi-national marriage, and for many other reasons, I DO appreciate AND contribute to FDL, and am often very impressed with the scope of those who contributes work. However, that said, I remember the day I contacted HRC to access how much the CEO takes home from my donation, and once I found out I decided to halt my personal financial backing. NO CEO should make that kind of money. It’s simply sickening. So, serious questions about financial matters when it comes to contributions need to be answered. But NOT with SNARK! In fact, it turns people off, is offensive, and could lead to loosing readers. That is NOT the direction FDL is aiming at. So, fair question – where does my donation go to? Is there some scary reason not to be clear about it? ~sheesh~
Mr. Risen sometimes equates the middle finger with the truth, when there may be no reason to.
The donations go, as the post said yesterday, to pay the salaries of our staff and the tech support to keep us running.
So as someone said above, if you like what you get when you come here, we’d love to have your support. If you don’t, don’t. If people want to make the argument that those who work here don’t deserve to be paid for their efforts, or that they only deserve to if they accept the insults of surly commenters with smiles on their faces like they’re WalMart greeters or something, well that certainly is your prerogative.
Norske is an all democrats all the time kind of guy. He doesn’t like when they are critiqued or held to account. That hasn’t been going well for him here lately, I don’t think.
The CEO of Cigna got 73 million when he retired recently.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/20405
That’s not what’s going on at FDL, imo.
: )
More to the point. After reading FDL lo these many months, I would trust these people with my life. Their heart, principles, and intelligence are on the page for everyone to see every day. That’s something I don’t see or feel often (ever?) in the realm of journalism, let alone politics. FDL is the real deal, thank you people.
The discussion about policy and management of this site isn’t my thing, except for recognizing the superior quality and concern about the civility aspect lately; that said, for what it’s worth, your description does not seem to fit the Norske I know and respect. He tells the truth as he sees it, to whomever he thinks needs to hear it, and very often (not always) his gifts for deep political understanding and concise expression produce blindingly powerful comments. D party apologist is not at all how I see him. Again, just my PoV.
We disagree, but it is OT as you say. I wouldn’t have mentioned it had he not popped up to whine after months of absence, which irritated me. The larger issue is that no one is being asked to buy a slab of mutton here, this is support of hard work for better days for all of us.