Update at 10:30 ET – live feed back, can hear calls from the ship asking the Israeli’s to stop attack, saying “we have critically injured here, we are civilians” – just heard her say “we have 3 killed”
Update: about 1 hour ago LIVE FROM CHALLENGER 1 !! #FLOTILLA IDF IN RADIO CONTACT/INTERVENTION IMMINENT/SAILING ON TO GAZA MORE AS IT HAPPENS.
Five ships are approaching Gaza with 10,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid but Israel is meeting them with war ships and threats.
While still in international waters a few hours ago, the Freedom Flotilla was contacted by the three Israeli warships:
After nightfall, three Israeli navy missile boats left their base in Haifa, steaming out to sea to confront the activists’ ships.
Two hours later, Israel Radio broadcast a recording of one of the missile boats warning the flotilla not to approach Gaza.
“If you ignore this order and enter the blockaded area, the Israeli navy will be forced to take all the necessary measures in order to enforce this blockade,” the radio message continued.
On board the Flotilla are 600 passengers – EU parlimentary members, activists, and media – all civilians, all simply planning to deliver desperately needed supplies including prefabricated houses, cement for rebuilding, medical and school supplies. In the third year of the Israeli siege of Gaza – and one year after the devastating Operation Cast Lead, Gazans need these items but Israel has not only said no to the shipment, Israel has specially trained teams of commandos to board and seize the Flotilla and has made it clear that it intends to use force unless the Flotilla agrees to an Israeli seizure.
The decision of the Israeli missile carriers to approach the Flotilla at night – along with attempts to jam all communications – is clearly designed to block us from seeing Israeli actions.
At least so far however, we are able to see what’s going on. The lead ship, the Mavi Mamara from Turkey, is livestreaming events as they happen. As I write this, an Al Jazeera reporter on board says they are pulling back a bit to avoid a night time confrontation with the Israeli navy and instead proceeding in the morning. This would place a likely confrontation at around 11 or 12 Eastern time.
This would be a very good time to call congress and the White House (202-456-1111) and insist that this Freedom Flotilla be allowed to land and deliver the wheelchairs, school books and building supplies on board, not attacked by Israeli war ships – bought and paid for with our tax dollars.
Keeping up wth events overnight:
Edward Teller has been liveblogging events at Seminal and has great background information in his comments – follow it here.
Paul McGeough, a reporter I was honored to host a while back on the FDL Book Salon, is reporting for his paper, the Sydney Morning Herald, from the Mamara – here’s one of his reports – I’ll be watching for more.
In addition to the live feed from the Mamara (see above) you can follow events via twitter @freegazaorg and at #Flotilla and follow the map of the Flotilla’s location at Witness Gaza.



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Note that the live feed is mainly in Turkish – but there are updates in English as well interspersed. Latest updates were Israeli helicopters overhead and naval ships circling.
Thank you Siun!
One only hopes the boats are outrageously fitted with cameras and audio gear.
Nervously awaiting. Thank you, Siun, Paul and ET.
Aloha, Siun…!
I thought it was 9 ships…!
The livestream just went down – this has happened before and usually comes back but no way to know.
Just before going dark,the commentators seemed more concerned than before and everyone was in life vests.
One report on twitter had 14 Israeli war ships around the flotilla.
News from Witness Gaza seems sparse – they were having more comms problems than IHH until recently.
There were supposed to be more but several had mechanical difficulties – including two in Cyprus – and the Rachel Corrie was held up and will arrive later from Ireland and lead the second wave.
There are strong hints that the problems encountered in Cyprus (Greek Cyprus) were sabotage btw.
With the Rachel Corrie held up, the Turkish ship which is the largest took the lead … and there have been mass overnight demonstrations in Istanbul in support.
Just what is the point of the blockade? Israel knows this makes them look bad. Sticking with a bad plan because you don’t want to admit you made a mistake is a page from Bush’s book on how to lose two wars, destroy the economy and make people hate you.
Whats the rest of the Muslim world doing? The pro American Arab oil states cannot be liking their people getting riled up.
Looks bad to whom?
Domestic versus international consumption are two very different things.
Twitter reports say the ships are being boarded … may explain the live feed going out.
How long is the world going to put up with this sickening behavior from Israel? This is a life and death situation and here we sit doing nothing. It is unbelievable that we allow this.
from twitter:
“İsraeli zodiacs boats approaching to cargo ships” was the last words transmitted from Blue Marmara #Flotilla
When did Rahm start advising Israel
Livefeed is coming and going but all reports are that the boarding is happenng now.
Right after he left their army?
Sigh
Please tweet this post with hash tag #flotilla
Folks are trying to get the news trending on twitter to force more media coverage.
*aargh* The IDF plans on arresting them all and subsequently deporting them all… All while in International Waters…! *gah*
Are they boarding the American ships?
What is the pro-Israeli defense of this? That they may be carrying weapons? If people who don’t have a stake in this heard what was being done to civilian aid ships they might re-think their knee-jerk positions.
Then again, they might cheer at muslims starving.
We don’t know – there’s one american flagged ship I believe, two turkish, one greek and one other?
hard to know what is going on since Israel has planned to block all comms from the flotilla and seems to have managed … the live feed has switched to gaza videos but they will come back if at all possible.
I have only contempt for those who interfere with humanitarian efforts. For shame.
Isn’t that illegal? I wonder if Turkey is willing to risk an international incident over this? Such a move would if it works would them the Leader of the Muslim world.
A single warship would raise the stakes. Turkey has a fundy Muslim government they might do it.
That’s what I’m getting – intermittent flashes from the boats and then Gaza video.
Don’t imagine that the Turks will be pleased at all. Isn’t this an act of aggression?
Turkey and Greece are getting cozy Greece needs an economic boost Turkey is a big trading partner. A Greek Warship would convince Turkey to help Greece with their financial trouble.
There are cards to be played in this game.
The Israelis have claimed that the flotilla’s are “a provocation” and acted as if that were justification enough. The hasbera (Israeli PR effort) has been very intense – claiming Gazans are doing fine – including showing reporters a video of a fancy restaurant in Gaza but the video was shot years ago which you can tell since Abbas is seen in it and has not been back for a long time. They are also claiming that the flotilla does not really care about humanitarian issues with the claim that the flotilla refused to take a letter to Shalit (the captured Israeli soldier) but again, this is a lie since the flotilla organizers offered to carry the letter.
On a NATO ally same with Greece, England and France might support them Germany has guilt. Hilary will be busy tonight.
Turkey has a good relationship with Israel, unlike most other muslim countries.
Actually, the Turkish Prime Minister warned Israel against interfering with the ships.
With the Rachel Corried (flagged Ireland) out of the initial flotilla, the turks took the lead and seem quite willing to take on Israel with this.
Unarmed ships helping people in need? America will need its UN veto to help Israel again.
Used to Turkey has Fundies running the government now.
Turkey just needs one warship to make a stand and for Israel to do something stupid. Any bets Israel will do something stupid?
TY for posting this. There needs to be more articles on this.
Israel has already done something stupid but they won’t pay for it. They never do and we just go along looking like idiots.
The Israelis denying anyone humanitarian aid are shooting themselves in the foot. What possible justification could there be?
They are total jerks. Can’t stand them.
More on official Turkish position:
http://af.reuters.com/article/algeriaNews/idAFLDE64O1D820100525?rpc=401&feedType=RSS&feedName=algeriaNews&rpc=401
Unofficial – thousands besiege Israeli embassy in Istanbul overnight – there are photos circulating on twitter but I can’t find them right now.
As it has on and off for about a decade. Regular Turks generally loathe Israel. Turkey gets a lot of money from Israel via tourism, etc., so while the government would probably have the support of the people standing up to Israel, there is something for the Turkish government to lose with a confrontation.
Not that I’m an expert. Just one lil ol’ opinion.
After Cast Lead, even…! 8-(
The Goldstone Report needs to be acted upon…
The EU is telling the Israelis to back off…
Remember that Erdogan was perhaps the only world leader to really take on Israel during Operation Cast Lead.
A disgusting reminder:
75 (there are but 100 in total) US Senators including newbie progressive hopeful Al Franken signed a letter telling Obama to back off Israel. That we are linked to Israel like no other nation.
Some reports on twitter saying the turkish ship not yet boarded, just surrounded and video link blocked
AIPAC has been very productive…! 8-(
My feelings about Erdogan are biased.
I don’t understand why AIPAC has so much influence in American politics. It isn’t like there is an overwhelming population of Jewish voters and most Jewish voters are not Zionist. I don’t get it.
Paul Mcgeough blog – very useful information though silent for a few hours so far:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/news-blog-paul-mcgeough-on-board-mv-samoud-20100529-wm9z.html
Reports – unconfirmed – of injured civilians on the flotilla and Israeli use of live ammo
Astonishingly, msnbc.com is covering this story and not necessarily from a pro Israeli point of view. None of the usual speculation that there “might be” weapons on board and so forth. I’m surprised.
Oh, here we go…
Siun, thanks so much for your coverage.
Very much hope Twitter reports of attacks with live ammo aren’t valid: very much expect they are.
REPEAT: BOTH PASSENGER SHIPS ATTACKED WITH LIVE AMMO, BOTH PASS SHIPS BOARDED BY ZIONIST FORCES
Reports from the Greek support site (use google translate to read) that the greek ship is still free but that the situation is really serious
BOTH PASSENGER SHIPS ATTACKED WITH LIVE AMMO…
WTF…? 8-(
Live feed back – you can hear what sounds like Israeli voices telling people to sit down, etc and saying “we don’t want any more injuries”
Evangelical Christians believe that only when Jews control all the holy land will Jesus come back and kill all non-believers (I believe Jews are given the option to convert before being all killed).
And during the Cold War, Arab countries tended to side with the Soviet Union (or at least were perceived as doing so)
Folks on twitter trying to get someone to translate the live feed but you can hear a woman calling in background in english – “don’t attack the ship, we have many injured people, we need help, we are civilians”
Repeating “we need help, we have critically injured people here”
“hold fire against us, we are civilians”
Pity Israel didn’t figure that out before they started shooting civilians.
Now reading multiple twitter reports of two dead and thirty wounded (on Turkish ship) – want to believe this is in error, but expect it is accurate. Hard to mistake death for life.
They did? It’s a lie? They said that they would carry the letter to Shalit?….
Or did they say that they would carry the letter …if certain conditions were met in exchange?
http://www.paltelegraph.com/palestine/gaza-strip/6183-ecesg-haaretz-lies-regarding-gilad-shalit
“We have three people killed…” is what I’m hearing…
WTF!
Heard the same – just added update to post …
Yea its all over twitter.
Thanks for staying w/this, Siun.
I can’t believe the IDF would be stupid enough to kill anyone in this breach of international law.
Is the America media covering this yet no tv here.
Yes this is Bush level stupidity.
I’ll be following all night … and updating here
Horrific news.
When will Israel face justice for it’s actions?
Is the livefeed on the ihh.org link above? I can’t get to that site.
ET – I gather they are still in international waters … they had turned away from Gaza to avoid a confrontation at night.
This is a horror.
Maybe if some of the dead are Americans, it will make page A-9. If they’re European B-5; Turkish B-10, Arab maybe won’t make the paper. TV, though, I don’t know.
http://www.ihh.org.tr/gemilerimiz/en/
for the live feed – they are split screen between the boat and what I think is a demo in Instanbul …
Never and it’s our fault.
CNN is the Gulf
MSNBC is prison
FAUX is Horrendo Revolver
No flotilla anywhere
They are at least 80 miles off the Gaza coast, or were at last position report. This is truly a major breach of international law.
It’s completely asinine…! What are they possibly thinking…? Btw, I did mention they’d do it at night…! 8-(
Someone musta missed the “The whole planet is a battleground” memo.
I can’t imagine any other defense they could float, if this is accurately reported.
I saw somebody mention 78 miles, ET…!
Q’uran being read for the dead on board.
You did. I suggested that a night boarding was more dangerous, with possibilities of fuckups. Whether this was fuckups or some other kinds of murder – should the death reports be true- remains to be seen.
Are the reports of dead and injured based solely on tweets?
It’s blatant murder, period…! No Ifs, Ands, or, Buts…! 8-(
I know Lady Justice has been slow of late, but, I do know she does prevail eventually…! *g*
Hmmm. Either the toobz are clogged or my machine needs a tune up. Can’t get through to the livefeed. Thanks for the updates.
I don’t know what they base it on, but I’m reading Turkish TV is reporting two deaths and thirty wounded:
Of course, I don’t pretend to read turkish, but someone who does translated this screenshot from Turkish TV:
_________
http://aliabunimah.posterous.com/urgent-turkish-tv-israel-attacks-mavi-marmari
Based on the caption of this screenshot from Turkish TV, I can
understand the following:
Aid Mission Intervention
Israel attacks Mavi Marmari ship
2 Dead, About 30 injured
People are shouting “we need help”
___________
Now that Israel’s committed an act of war and deadly piracy against a NATO member, I expect that NATO will blockade Israel any day now…. as long as the Lobby is OK with
it.
No – on the live feed, you could hear voices first saying – sounded like a broadcast announcement – “please sit down, we don’t want any more injuries” and telling the media on board to do something (I missed what)
Then you could hear a woman – sounded like an organizer, calling over and over – on bullhorn or such? – in English and then in Hebrew – to stop the attack, we are civilians, we have many injured and need help” followed by “we have many critically injured, we have 3 dead”
She repeated her message multiple times.
Then you could hear the koran.
I took the “please sit down” voices to possibly be Israeli forces – but hard to tell, the woman was clearly well trained organizer repeating distress call over and over.
Anti-a Jewish State of Israel attitude defines many in the left.
The letter to the captive young man is not an offer that has been made except as a ploy to force Israeli concessions in other areas.
The material will be taken off the boat and inspected for weapons/forbidden materials and then go by land to Gaza. I doubt that “school books” will not get there – despite the implication of the words in the article. Israel is screwing the folks in Gaza by making a less than maximum effort to get supplies into Gaza – I believe I was told the truck traffic that carry supplies in could be a third higher if they maxed out to do it. The boats left from Turkey side of Island – but I doubt Turkey will suddenly respond to the Hamas overthrow of the gov of Gaza by helping those that are supporting that gov overthrow. The singing of anti-semitic songs was a bad PR move by those on the boats.
Meanwhile we hear little about what would be more real – the parties’ talks via the US. Hillary has a large job to do if anything real is to change in the near future. Two state via Taba/Geneva right of return for compensation – not in general real return, with approximate green line borders ala Taba and Taba agreed water rights, is the only way this will end – but it may take another 50 years before the Palestinians to agree to this ending. A hellish war before that agreement could well be the fate of the area – in part caused by these “peace” folks pushing something other than the above.
Just saw one casualty apparently on live feed – hard to follow but they cut in and out of showing the boat.
nothing on the msm.
I’ve called both MSNBC & CNN
MSNBC 212 664 4444
CNN 404 827 2600
Video being shown now seems to be Israeli forces with guns …and then showing casualties. May be film from during the attack …
thank you – calling now!
reporters looking frantic … could hear an english speaking reporter behind the turkish anchors commentary speaking of Israeli attack but could not hear well enough to get details
much footage of people being herded below decks or off? some casualties being carried
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/amira-hass-lexicon-of-most-misleading-terms-in-israeli-palestinian-conflict-1.293131
The liberal Israeli press is using the occasion to note that situation sucks for the Palestinians despite the rather well fed well cared for population. I wish EU and US left commentary was as clear as to what the problem is, with less overstatement of how evil Israel is.
Still no mention from the supposedly liberal American Press?
Now footage of helicopters landing commandos on front of ship – navy vessels around.
English voice describing heard – not entered Israeli waters, another chopper landing commandos
How is Turkey and Greece reacting officially? I assume for news like this they wake up the head leader and brief him no matter what the country.
Statements must be being prepared.
Overstatement?
As Israeli forces apparently just injured/killed nonviolent civilians in international waters … hmmm
I’m not really interested in anything other than if people on the boats have been shot.
Don’t think that you should be interested in anything else at present either.
and no mention of anything about any incident on BBC. they had a live report from Gaza about the convoy less than 10 minutes ago.
Heh. I just looked on a couple of the Turkish english language dalies and there isn’t anything yet. Actually, there is nothing as current as what I’m reading here.
Before being cut off, aljazeera correspondent said ship captain is severely injured & barred from medical care by Israel
They are reshowing video … unsure how much is live, how much repeated .. english reporter voice saying Israelis are still firing, still shooting in background
Mondoweiss is covering this.
Mondoweiss twitter is covering this quite well.
Freegaza twitter is continuing.
Two Daily Kos diaries, one of which reports:
Nothing at TPM
Nothing at HuffPo
Great linkage.
And CNN, FAUX and MSNBC are going about their business…
Witness Gaza is now reporting the shootings as well …
Ha’aretz has headline saying “several casualties”
had not updated actual story yet:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-several-casualties-in-clash-between-gaza-aid-flotilla-israel-navy-1.293089
The google MSM aggregator keeps on spewing outdated bullshit. Twitter has proven itself today, even if we seem further from sanity than ever.
I hate these goddam fucking wars!
Where u @ LEEN!?!?!
Get in here!!
from modoweiss twitter:
And I fucking prayed that nobody would get killed……
Thanks ET:)
Hillary won’t be sleeping for a month.
Thanks for the update
FreeGaza does not have anything and al jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/2010530233136303508.html does not report any killings
Elsewhere there are reports of “stun grenades, tear gas”
FreeGaza http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/66-hope-fleet/976-israel-attacks-justice-boat-kidnaps-human-rights-workers-confiscates-medicine-toys-and-olive-trees reports 21 folks on the boat “SPIRIT OF HUMANITY” taken off.
nodding … this is a horror
and twitter remains the only way – along with Turkish tv – to actually figure out what is going on … even al jaz has nothing
The relief convoy through Egypt was stopped last year. Does the tiny state of Isreal have that much power?
Which countries if more NATO countries get called in on this NATO would have to do something or Turkey very well might leave the alliance.
America does another UN veto the Turkish government could stop American planes from flying over Turkey Americans wounded in Iraq and maybe Afghanistan would be effected.
Turkey leaves NATO Hilary will be in the running for worse Secretary of State who hasn’t committed a warcrime.
I don’t know about that – she’s so loyal to AIPAC that the calls from allies may just be an annoyance.
Something about 300 on turkish news. Can’t understand what. Oh, must be protesters.
I don’t know about them leaving NATO, but the two US bases in Turkey – Incirlik and (I believe) Izmir – are not piddling little outposts.
Egypt wants nuclear reactors, Saudi Arabia a few other Arab countries I bet thats why the Arab nations are being so quiet… they’ve been bribed!
Hopefully there’s a lot to lose if relations with Ankara break down.
Turkey has cards they can play I don’t know if they will play them I’m just counting the cards. Israel is calling and raising with a shit hand.
HuffPo just noticed … using an AP story that reports two dead
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/30/israel-attacks-palestinian-aid-flotilla_n_595033.html
this tweet picked up by mondoweiss:
nor from the two American yachts, right?
So, it may be that the casualties being reported are just from one of the five (six?) vessels. Does anyone have any post-piracy reports from the vessels other than the large Turkish cruise ship?
These ships could have been inspected prior to loading by Isreal officials who could have been invited to do so. No need to unload in Isreali port? Logic is missing here. The flotilla knew they would be challenged. The darkness cover for the raid. it is all so Mossad/CIA.
The Greek boat was reporting that it was the only not captured about an hour ago … I’ll look for that source again and hit google translate
Witness Gaza says they do not know the fate of boats except Turkish – say commandos boarded and opened fire.
This may be worse than we now know.
The IDF somehow failed to shut down transmissions from the large Turkish ship, but apparently succeeded on all the rest…?
mondoweiss tweet:
It’s on Twitter that cnn international just picked it up, but i can’t find a link
Possibly yes – the Turkish ship had better comms all along … while Free Gaza was reporting jamming, they were still broadcasting.
The Turkish ship was also quite big – a very large passenger ferry, the others?
Watching CNN I now but they are not on news … will let you know.
A lot of media has now picked it up but most going with the AP story … try here:
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/Middle+East/Israel/Israel||Gaza
Comments in the Western Press are like on HuffPo’s “Aid flotilla? Would that be like one of those red cresent Ambulances that are full of weapons? and “You can’t say you weren’t warned.Israel has a history of doing what they say they’ll do.”
Al-Jazeera reported an Israeli takeover with gunfire, wounding the captain.
Only Turkish NTV network has reported at least two people were killed – it will be a while to see if this is true and why the Al-Jazeera reporter failed to report this despite being on the small boat. HuffPo just reports what the Turkish NTV folks are saying.
I can not find reports of more than one boat conflict. Are there names of other boats that were resisting and were fired on?
The people running this op were vague about both the sizes of the vessels and which ones actually made it into this group. They vary greatly in size. The MV Rachel Corrie was not part of the flotilla, and is claiming to be readying to try to break the blockade this coming week. no links.
My bold Your right logic is missing? Israel wanted this fight is Israel having an election soon or something?
This kind of posturing has George Bush fake a terror alert before the election written all over it.
Israel decided why fake a terror alert when they could make a Real Crisis. I bet they think everyone will stand down in the end no matter what they do.
I think they might have gone to far.
“resisting”
I’m not in the mood to play that game tonight …
People, civilians, unarmed civilians … were killed by commandos for simply wanting to bring humanitarian supplies to people who need them. That’s a war crime. They were in international waters, again unarmed, so no “resistance” involved.
If you want to play hasbera, take it elsewhere.
Using Children as Human Shields?
Seems the organizers of the flotilla intended to break Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza by using children as human shields to keep Israel from attacking the boats. Chairman Bulent Yildirim of the Turkish group IHH said so during an interview on the group’s website, in which he was seen holding a baby that was on board the boat Mavi Marmara. The organizers also expressed a wish that any confrontation between the boats and the Israeli navy take place during the day, for better media coverage.
Of course, the Israeli navy intercepted the lead ship late Sunday night.
There were two or three cargo ships – relatively large I believe but the others – and I think the final count was six – were smaller vessels if the pics I’ve seen are right.
not trying to “play” – just using the word “resisting” that refers to a warship telling a boat to stop and the boat not stopping.
That is simply a construct of imagination. Amazing.
Resisting? In international waters?
You are repeating Israeli PR stories word for word – perhaps you think we don’t follow the IDF press briefings and hasbera efforts but we do.
If you, as a human being, can justify what we’ve just seen – then I am deeply sorry for you. But I will not have you spouting IDF spin while we try to find our how many innocents have been killed.
Siun and ET, thank you both for covering this over this sad weekend.
Even NPR now reports two deaths on the Turkish ship.
On twitter there have been many reports the Greek ship is taken over.
Oh – and my uttermost contempt for efforts to change the focus away from the story of these atrocities and over to the diversion of a meta-story – or even now introduce the lie the IDF’s murders were directed against “boats that were resisting”. Truly vile – and exactly what I’ve come to expect from the Lobby and the other blind followers of the apartheid state that Israel has sadly become.
ET – it is apparently worse:
@Mondoweiss
Greta Berlin, from the Free Gaza Movement, just announced on Al Jazeera that their lawyer says that 10 activists have bn killed. #flotilla
Al Jazeera, in interview with Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza Movement, reported ten killed (this information relayed from FGM’s lawyer in Israel).
Links? Video Links? Do not tell me Israel does not have the footage? Do not tell me all the Western Reporters on board did not report this either.
Try another story a better more believable one.
i’ve never asked someone to be banned from commenting before, but, mods, i’m requesting it now. papau is unwelcome here right now, to me for sure, and everyone else also i expect. it’s obscene what this person is doing in the face of what’s happening. i’m asking to see no more comments from papau on this thread. can you do that? thank you for listening.
Footage of what? Nothing has happened…
A warship, or several, which, in spite of strong statements by the Turkish government – which has had to spend tens of millions dealing with the shit on their beaches form the gratuitous IDF oil spill that fouled their coasts in 2006 – and had their ambassador set in a kid’s chair and photographed for the Israeli media this year, attacked that Turkish flagged ship, in a serious breach of international law. The attack, and the way it was carried out, requires a meeting of the NATO military heads, to say the least.
Human shields? What total bullshit. Want human shields – read Goldstone, you fool.
Dn’t feed
CNN I just did a quick story with video from the turkish broadcast showing the boarding.
~~~The high road, people. Always the high road.~~~
You do know that Israel has possession of the boats or will soon. Israel had better produce some kids as human shields tomorrow or else.
Or Else I hope the front pagers here use your lies to show how Israel manipulates the Press. I hope you become the face of Israel being discredited.
You sowed an ill wind and tonight I think you may Reap the Whirl Wind.
He said they were using kids as human shields I don’t see any Western or Israeli reporter not filming that story if it had really happened.
Hundreds of reporters in Ashdod, waiting for the debris to be towed in, so:
My snark is weak :-(
again from twitter – Gaza fishing boats had gone out to greet the flotilla though likely not out far since they are not allowed … now we get this:
GAZA – Now: #Israel navy firing towards fishermen inside #Gaza coast #flotilla
happens often btw
Stop being a cry baby. Debate the subject on its merits, not its emotions. If you need an echo chamber, well, ask the mods. :) Quite the objective headline up there.
Turkish protesters try to storm Israeli consulate:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100531/ap_on_re_eu/eu_turkey_israel
at least as bad as having to cruise through BP waters in the Gulf, eh?
I sympathize with GW – not a crybaby. She is incensed, and with good cause. This is a travesty, and it is being soft-pedaled by interested parties. It’s disgusting, but it is free speech.
Seconded lying about kids being human shields with no footage to back him up? If you want wait till Monday to ban him if the footage turns up but yes ban him.
As we are covering the deaths of innocents, we will not tolerate nonsense tonight. If you want to spout Israeli PR, please go comment elsewhere.
As word comes in on further casualties, I imagine the consulate may need to up their insurance. After all, three weeks ago, Greeks torched their own bank 250 miles away from Istanbul.
Sorry I’m too angry to get the Snark your hearts in the right place.:)
There were children on the boats – at least one – but that does not make them a “human shield” since the boats were doing nothing wrong.
Being aghast at goings-on is plenty of reason to miss it, or mis-use it.
peace, bro
Which boats are reporting dead and injured? Names, Sex, Nationality known? Will other NATO members besides Greece and Turkey have a bone to pick with Israel?
Agreed!
No I did not say that – I said the WEB SITE HAS AN INTERVIEW WHERE THE ORGANIZER SAID THAT WAS HIS PLAN. Not that it had happen as I have no proof that it did.
reading comp dies at night I guess.
Meanwhile non Turkish TV radio reports are stating that there are indeed 2 dead and dozens injured in navy boarding as the passengers tried to wrest weapons from soldiers. Seems the TV report is confirmed. And it is not over, as the Organizers original plan to have boardings in daylight for better TV is working as the resistance slow the Israeli operation and it continues in the current daylight in the Med.
I request that you defer having a debate about this until such time as there are some actual facts to discuss.
Nothing about this is good and nothing but senseless, and surely pettily inappropriate, bickering will result from digging trenches with tools fashioned of ignorance.
YOU REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH UNDERSTANDING I THAT I SAID A WEBSITE HAS AN INTERVIEW.
BEING BANNED – ???. WHATEVER.
Agreed
thank you.
~~~Enough with the shouting, please.~~~
from mondoweiss twitter:
I’m not aware of a definition of “debating the subject on its merit” that includes calling someone a crybaby.
Wow…! Totally gut wrenching…! 8-(
maybe maquerman will “ding” your comment…
It’s now in the NY Times online.
So, they’re now taking care of the wounded, eh…? What a travesty…!
thank you very much
AFP is now reporting (and Ha’aretz as well)
“At least 10 killed …”
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/at-least-10-killed-as-israel-storms-aid-convoy-israeli-tv-20100531-wqcf.html
Rule #1 In The Meideast, forever:
You don’t fuck with the turks.
Their relations with Israel are conditional, based on daily issues and needs.
If Israel assaults Turk Ships, shit’s gonna fly.
For Turkey in ANY form allowing it’s Flag to fly and its people to be involved in this from the get go says something about how the Turks feel about Israel and the Palistinean’s in this time and clime.
Turkey’s fucking with Israel. And there’s a reason for it. I don’t know what that reason is.
But Turkey’s fucking with Isreal. And Rule #1 In Mid East Politics is you Don’t Fuck With The Turks.
I’m late to what happened today, so I gotta go bet all that info before I say much more.
10 out of 600 – far, far, far surpassing IDF casualties in Cast Lead, if you subtract the friendly fire deaths.
NYT
Israel Intercepts Gaza Flotilla; Violence Reported
more…
Thank you. Erdogan is not Isreali Centric, by any means . . .
Actually, the IDF were refusing care from doctors aboard, earlier, including for the seriously wounded skipper of the large Turkish cruise ship.
Haaretz is saying Turkey’s NTV is reporting between 10 and 15 killed with over 60 wounded.
You and I agree on I/P issues from time to time, and I appreciate your pluck. How can you defend, though, tonight’s insanity?
I’am baffled.
The American Gulf/BP fiasco is an everyday reality in Nigeria, – far away.
Innocent children dying in the Occupied Territories is an everyday reality.
What’s changed?
“Don’t Fuck With The Turks” – sounds good to me.
RT @SherineT: Israeli Army Radio: between 10-14 people killed on flotilla
14 minutes ago via TweetDeck
I hadn’t realized that I was defending it, ET.
The last thing I said on your flotilla thread was that the flotilla was a ridiculous gesture that had my whole-hearted approval.
All I now know about whatever happened tonight is near to nothing and all I suspect is that I’m not going to hear anything that I’ll like.
(and what does “‘ding’ your comment” mean?)
The goods will be examined, looted, and then some will be fed to Gaza (after bribes being paid) and photo ops will show the good will of a bag of rice being offered to someone.
This is how it’s done over there, if you’ve been reading and informed.
~~~EDITED BY MODERATOR~~~
You certainly are offering nothing in the way of reality as to what’s going on in this issue.
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CNN Internationl has more footage on ….very bad scene.
Also showing the demonstrations in Istanbul.
Al Jazeera had a report that the captain of the ferry was seriously hurt and that medical assistance was being denied. The report may not be confirmed, but from the source, it probably is likely. Time and facts will tell.
FWIW, if the ferry issued either a “HELP” or “MAYDAY”, the modern ships radio is connected with its GPS and that information is automatically broadcast. If the captain or any officer sent such a message, the ship’s position is recorded. International waters are international waters, they do not change at the whim of an attacking force’s government. The State and Government of Zionist Israel has clearly shown itself to be illegitimate by their own acts, regardless of however they try to deceive others. This will not end well.
Oh man this death toll is gonna keep going up.
And on the 1 soldier injured, im only about %135 sure it was friendly fire
I can’t believe this has not escalated into much, much more.
The Israeli’s apparently have sanction to do what they will, and Erdogan has not pulled the trigger on retaliation.
I’m astounded.
This is all being muzzled . . .
I was betting if the Israeli’s did this level of insanity, it would provoke war.
Incredible . . . it’s all being muzzled and The Turks are laying down.
We are lost as a species.
you were reinforcing a troll. the ding was snark. thanks for responding. I disagree that the flotilla was ridiculous. I wish I had been there, perhaps resisting the takeover ridiculously until shot. It would have been a good day to die.
Hypothetically If I quote a Klan Website and they have No or Funny Proof about anything do you really think the FirePups would look the other way?
Now then lies about Children being put in harm’s way? Now imagine I don’t include a link or even name the web site and someone catches me that I’m quoting Klan news.
from your 168
My bold Look don’t worry I can’t ban you nor can GreenWarrior everyone makes a mistake I once linked to an anti semite in a diary but I did not know they were an anti semite I was lucky to find other sources to prove my point.
Either find other confirming sources to prove your point more creditable ones. Or promise to try to link next time you mention news that yes you should know we would find the source shady.
Larue,
This has just happened overnight with the attacks and killings only about 3 hours ago at most … it is now 8AM in Turkey and the PM and cabinet are meeting, etc.
We’ll see what happens next but it’s too soon to say they are doing nothing.
Killing or wounding dozens of unarmed civilians merely trying to deliver necessities to suffering people, trapped in the open-air concentration camp known as Gaza.
How can the Israeli government keep on pretending that they are somehow rational and civilized? This is barbarism.
And I thought if Israel caused deaths it would lead to immediate war.
It’s all being muzzled, and there’s no war . . . only the dead and wounded, and the supplies that will never help those in the most need of them.
We are lost as a species.
Yes, a massacre
WTF is “reinforcing a troll”?????
ET, you need to re-read or re-think or something.
I’m completely with Siun on that one.
CHICAGO: Rally 4:30 pm Tues. 6/1
In front of Israeli Consulate, 111 E. Wacker Dr. Buses from MF, ICCI.
Info at http://bit.ly/aX3BSF
Emotion would seem appropriate kids being used as human shields is horrible, lying about it is vile.
Not showing emotions and being logical when such claims were obviously made to inflame emotions and now that they are found out inflame our emotions of betrayal.
Or to put it another way the wind was sown the harvest the whirl wind.
mondoweiss twitter -
I think ET is referring to your asking papau to defer discussing the subject til there were more facts known. papau more or less said it was ignorant to speak from ignorance and then you agreed. I’m paraphrasing here. I think ET misinterpreted what you were agreeing with. Feelings are high about what’s happening on the high seas tonight. I think it was an honest mistake on ET’s part. I wish I’d spoken up sooner.
People are organizing already lots of people besides us are up late.
Damn.
No, I think she’ll take it seriously.
Sharp objects against guns are they sure they were sharp objects?
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/American-Skin-41-Shots-lyrics-Bruce-Springsteen/F7EEE7B9D8CB488B48256AB100213101
The Israeli’s should know the American Public has heard that one way to many times.
Thanks. Re-reading what you wrote, you weren’t quite as supportive as I first thought.
Meanwhile, please answer my question about how what happened tonight can be justified, maquerman.
Thank you … I will be there.
thanks, I’m sure that ET has misunderstood what I was saying to papau and I’m equally sure that ET’s mistake is entirely honest and I don’t want to do anything but put it behind us. It’s a rather small, unimportant misunderstanding in the midst of some seriously fucked-up stuff
Haaretz’s Gideon Levy penned this op-ed…
Emergency Protest Map filling up:
http://gazafreedommarch.org/cms/en/flotilla/protest.aspx
however, unless people mobilize, the US House will pass soon, and the Senate within weeks resolutions, with votes of somewhere about 500 to 10 and 90 to 5, supporting Israel’s right to defend itself against [insert AIPAC-dictated phrase that cleanses the uncleansable] and sends $800 million to upgrade the IDF Navy against the next flotilla, which will probably be about 50 boats and ships, and within 120 days.
Still catching up, but I’m with GW . . . solid.
On the internets, a voice such as this as proven for what it represents, don’t fall into fair speech constitutional considerations.
And Yes, I know and realize that my imploration implies regulated speech.
But I’ll ride with decency issues, and what THAT means for the species.
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Yes, it’s good to bring that out again in the light of what’s happening.
He’s only responding to his own kind . . . often, they use the same IP addy’s too . . . from under the same bridges.
;-)
Larue,
I asked the mods to leave the comments since this is part of what is being said in the media, etc – and readers have countered it with wisdom. Let’s leave it at that.
Dude, think of all the nasty shit we have tossed at people over the years, and we are still allowed our say. Think about it.
Granted but can America fight its wars without flying over Turkey? What does America really want? We the American people may not have cards to play.
The Turks and Greeks together do have cards to play. Sometimes you just have to admit that you need help.
Fuck. Sick as hell . . .
Not Israeli PR. The flotilla has war PR as some part of its mission. I will go away and pray. But please don’t think the media coverage of this tragedy is not an actor.
Having gotten hate mail with knesset.il return addresses, I understand.
Yes, how… how… undemocratic, calling the media to actually focus on a travesty. They should be ashamed…
*heh* We do tend to get our point across without any need for moderation…! He’ll catch up eventually…! ;-)
My bad, I was off by 24 hours time wise . . . thought it all was yesterday . . .
Thanks for all yer doing on this, ET also.
I can’t believe the Israeli’s attacked and killed . . . I just can’t believe it.
It’s like they have impunity to do so.
Israel says on CNN it did not “attack” any boat
Chicago Protesting I’m proud! St Louis Missouri isn’t that Rush Limbaugh’s home state? Never mind the time organizing a protest this late but well this is quite unexpected.
OT: As I mentioned earlier on ET’s thread, our dearly beloved Rahm is in Israel right now for his son’s Bar Mitzvah./s Interesting timing.
Not all Israelis feel comfortable with what happened tonight. Too many, but we have tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of friends there.
80 miles from shore in international waters. Time for the UN to invoke Article 5.
nasty, nasty, Larue
another mondoweiss tweet –
Precisely.
comment from the mondoweiss thread I linked to above:
They ran over Rachel Corrie with a bulldozer, a young unarmed woman on foot in her early twenties trying to save a Palestinian home from being bulldozed. What’s not to believe after that?
There’s a level of bitterness I feel about all this that I don’t even think I can express.
I’ve seen reports of this as well … impossible to tell but worrying given the Israeli firepower.
Crap Rahm is the biggest guy Obama has in Israel then Rahm has his problems with Israel but then again Rahm has never seen a situation he could not make worse.
At Mondoweiss, Haaretz is reporting (edit: IDF Army radio reporting) 10 to 14 dead.
That is likely to grow :-(
There’s also talk that twitter blocked #flotilla from trending worldwide. I find the twitter algorithms opaque so I’m not sure but given the level of tweets per minute, looks possible.
Yea that’s just not true looking @ comments right now
Uh-oh…! Not that I blame them, I’d be resisting too, but, that will only cause more injuries and possibly more fatalities…! 8-(
Netanyahu is due in Washington this week I believe – and there were reports that a new move to throw some Palistinians out of their homes would make it an uncomfortable visit when it was designed to be a sign of how Obama and Israel are now friends again …
Ma’am. Ok, I appreciate your position as author of thread and all you do for FDL, for years now.
Newt, we said stuff and it’s all been true . . . we’ve never, ANY of us, however said anything as ugly as what this person is putting out.
Mod’s, I see (I’m having DSL cut out’s so I can’t keep up) you’ve adjusted a comment I made for inflamatory purposes . . . sorry if I went beyond what that other folk did regarding the topic at hand.
And Mac, what can I say, I don’t like your posits, your thoughts and your messages.
So far, I don’t get banned for saying so.
Siun, sorry for having bought into jousting with others about their replies and not sticking to your thread issue, which is so serious IMHO that when others comment in the manners they have, it took me off the game at hand.
Please forgive, but these issues are not open in my mind to much debate.
And the ‘bebate’ I read was hate speech, not debate, not rhetoric, not honorable nor respectful not suitable to the human condition, much less our species.
Hope that helps some . . . my bad.
Remember that “resisting” can be as simply as not agreeing to be towed into Israeli ports.
He’s in Washington on Tues.
I read it as hate speech as well – and very hard to take on a night like this.
I find it most useful to focus instead trying to get as much reliable news as possible so we can share it far and wide.
“Obama offered Netanyahu guarantees that the U.S. would not let any decision made during the recent NPT review conference ‘harm Israel’s vital interests.’”
-haaretz
Quite all right not to like anything I say.
Not at all all right to say “he’s only responding to his own kind” and the rest.
I might start to take you seriously instead of thinking you’re just a fun-lover.
True…! Somehow, I suppose it would ring hollow in any judicial venue that the Israelis were only responding in self defense to the resistance put up by the flotilla civilians…! 8-(
Yeah, I’m slow, but I’m passionate and concerned and I’m on the side of right.
And I think I can do that, without my sense of right being challenged.
It’s the same ‘right’ that FDL champions, that you champion, that Siun and Newt and all champion.
Hey Kelly, yer killin me on the phone line!! LMAO
Thanks though, yer a hoss, and one of MY champs and heroes in here, too. ;-)
My honey freaked out when she heard the message!!!
“Is this the CIA because of what you do online?” was her question to me . . .
I’m still LMAO . . . . sigh . . . . killin me . . .
When was this said? link?
And here. I mean right here. I was born and raised in New York. I lived in Israel for 8 years and hold dual American and Israeli citizenship. I hate what our country is doing in the world. I hate what it’s doing to aid and abet the Israeli government in its heinous actions and I’m deeply saddened by Israeli government policies and actions.
It’s personal. The holocaust is personal for me. And while the Israeli government’s actions in Palestine haven’t killed anywhere near the numbers of Jews and others killed in the holocaust, the mentality is the same. Where’s the compassion born of suffering? Instead we get suppression unto death. I’m in a cold, deep rage inside. I’m also crying.
I”ve never once in my life suggested that Israeli’s we’re of any like minds than any of us USA folks.
I HAVE lumped in Likud, it’s history, the history of it’s leaders, and AIPAC, and IDF, and more with the things I think are grossly wrong with that country and it’s relations in the ME.
Never have I suggested that all Israeli’s follow any given schtick, any more than folks in USA do.
Never.
Echo that.
Yes, me too . . . how they get away with is . . . it angers me. Like US foreign policy angers me.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/obama-promised-to-bolster-israel-s-strategic-capabilities-jerusalem-officials-say-1.293086
hear say, but in line with our perfidy.
There’s no DOUBT any resistance will result in immediate and deadly Israeli IDF reactions.
I guess there’s still potential for this one to explode . . .
It’s sickening that it was allowed by USA and international community to proceed to THIS point.
Why wasn’t this flotilla safe guarded by UN Armed Naval escorts?
Why wasn’t this flotilla sanctioned by the international community from day one?
I mentioned it in my recent diary, Obama expressly said…
Uncomfortable might have just been ratcheted up to canceled Netanyahu is radioactive right now. Netanyahu is Golem and Obama’s UN veto is we all know the Ring.
Even Obama’s Public Relations people should be able to see that inviting Netanyahu to the White House now would drive the world against us.
Yes ma’am, and thanks.
And canceling is a rebuke. I’m betting on some middle ground….
never mind.
I’m not holding my breath.
Fuckno and Ctuttle do we really want a nation that kills defenseless people in international waters on a charity mission to have Nukes?
Do we as Democrats want the deranged leader of this diseased pack of Goblins ( Likud ) shaking hands with Obama?
Netanyahu is acting like he wants Obama to cancel the meeting.
It was…! The EU opposes it…
Dude, we just finished one flame war.
Neither am I but if Obama does this yes he gets some Israeli lobby cash but he loses the more numerous Muslim vote.
Netanyahu will think that he is weak, the Left will think Obama is weak so will the World.
Obama makes his job 3 times as hard if he gives in now.
And no Obama will not fake friends with Netanyahu or the Israeli hard liners by giving in you must respect yourself first before you can have a friend.
It’s not like we can exactly ask for our nukes back from Israel…!
I know, I don’t want that, but who did I offend this time? I’m not mad at them just Obama for giving into Israel.
True:) But we can stop sending them money.
Well, Gobblins for sure.
Let the Israeli lobby defend us sending Israel cash when they got National Healthcare and we don’t. I would love a chance to refight the healthcare war.
*heh* You really do want Obama to be a one-term Prez, eh…? ;-)
I apologize to every Goblin out there and to Golem. :)
He has already done that on his own. I got doubts all the Lefty blogs together could help him now.
for those on the flotilla who died today:
I Had No Mercy for Anybody
and
Rachel’s Words
Did I ever mention you were awesome, dood…? *g*
Israel attacking a ship in international waters and killing passengers should be a very clear act of war.
Then again, so was the attack against the USS Liberty.
This sad event will likely be a Middle Eastern version of the US/BP Gulf oil spill – for both the short-term bad and I pray the long-term good.
It’s so strange, but that is where my mind is right now.
Thanks, ET.
Next time I’m on the Big H we’ll hoist a few. And – come up here, CT. You’re family.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/31/2914131.htm?section=world
ABC online is covering this story online at least with the high numbers I heard here they mention Israel did it in international waters. If ABC news covers this in the morning I may faint. Whats next the news will call Bush a War Criminal?
Turkey is not America and Israel would be foolish to think we would both react the same way.
”
All news
Israelis Kill 3, Injure Dozens in Assault on Gaza Ship Convoy Carrying Humanitarian Aid
May 30, 2010
10 PM CST: Solidarity activists aboard one of six relief vessels traveling to Gaza with humanitarian report that they have been attacked by Israeli forces, with three of their human rights volunteers killed and roughly 30 injured. Al Jazeera has just confirmed the numbers.”
http://gazafreedommarch.org/cms/en/News/View/10-05-30/Israelis_Kill_3_Injure_Dozens_in_Assault_on_Gaza_Ship_Convoy_Carrying_Humanitarian_Aid.aspx
once again, from the best twitter aggregator, mondoweiss:
If the American ABC news does, I will faint too…! ;-)
I’d like to say I apologize to Kelly for thinking a message on my home phone was his voice.
It Was Not.
My bad, Kelly.
End of this story.
Yes, but it’s gone unheeded . . . for a decade or more now.
Sadly, too.
That is beyond a contemptible lie.
Danny Ayalon to give the Israeli statement shortly – CNN I will cover. CNN I has gotten their marching orders from the IDF and is now talking about resistance etc … some criticism of what Israel won’t let in to Gaza but most coverage trying to cover up the horror of the crime.
We as a nation, COULD consider not funding Israel as our ME Proxy.
We COULD ensure that AIPAC register as a foreign nation lobbyyst.
We COUILD do a LOT of things, we could.
;-)
Couldn’t, we?
*smilesweetly*
Hoss, don’t you think that’s pretty well said and done at this point?
;-)
*aargh*
and…
WTF…?
Blessings to all and family’s . . .
It shouldn’t have happened.
Outrageous assertion…! 8-(
OMG, that last one is . . .
I’m not sure I understand the others, but that last one is perfectly clear.
OMG.
Allegedly the best trained army bar none, and their Seal like IDF commandos (Shayetet 13), have their weapons taken away by civilians?
ooops.
I don’t personally know any IDF personal, but I would bet my last dollar that their training is designed to, well, disallow something like that.
This is the best they got an unarmed peace mission disarmed Israeli Commandos? Israel has a Rep for being one of the best armies in the world.
Imagine if Bush said angry Fire Pups disarmed Navy Seals.
Roughly equivalent, though I would not mess with ET or Suzanne.
Giraldi summed it up nicely…
I very much agree.
Giving Rush and Sean and Sarah and their ilk their opening line, as part of a Memorial Day Post that links the paratroops of D-Day to the brave IDF helicopter machine gunners in ways AIPAC late night hack writers are fretfully putting together right now. Sergeant York might get in there by noon tomorrow.
Our two passengers boats, Challenger 1 and Challenger 1I, had mechanical problems on Friday, May 28, and were pulled into ports in Cyprus. After Cypriot port authoriies on the Greek side denied our request to pull in for repairs, our boat, Challenger 1 limped into the port of Famagusta, on the Turkish side of Cyprus.
Both boats are flagged and registered in the United States, which means they are U.S. territory.
http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/press-releases/1189-as-american-as-apple-pie
I imagine that right about now Obie is questioning the value of attaining his life long presidential ambition.
Lynch ? Interesting choice of words I smell Rahm. By the way lynch mobs normally out number you, chase you down or ambush you and are better armed than you.
Just how did these human rights activist hippies lynch the poor Israeli Commandos?
Peace Fresno comes to mind in the face of IDF forces.
I’ve always liked Giraldi’s work, know most of if from ’02 forwars at Raimondon’s place.
Nice pick, there CT.
N well done, hoss.
We’ve had issues.
On this, glad we agree.
one body had dental floss in a watch pocket.
Aloha, bb…! Always a pleasure…! ;-)
If you proceed, it’s obvious you will be in harm’s way.
Blessing, to all . . .
*bows*
Nice to see you Blue:) I’m going out for a smoke now. Whats your take on the situation?
?
What’s that mean?
Yes quite understandable Commandos scare so easy/s
USS Liberty went down 34 dead and the US responded predictably…
See, garrotte material right there…! *gah*
Adam Shapiro, co-founder of the International Solidarity Movement, which sponsored Rachel Corrie, has just had his email hijacked by hasbara hackers:
The same thing happened to me last winter, after I had done a particularly scathing anti-IDF post during Cast Lead. I had to reset 20-something passwords.
No shit…? Dayam…! 8-(
N I thought the Nigerian’s were relentless and remorseless . . .
Israeli Outrage – blog post by Craig Murray UK ex ambassador to Uzbekistan, canned for whistleblowing on torture –
Has embedded youtube that’s already “been removed by the user”
They are.
This is going to be a Memorial Day to remember. :-(
front paged at Michael Moore: http://www.michaelmoore.com/
Also at Mondoweiss: http://mondoweiss.net/
If the flotilla was actually moving away from the coast when boarded, after having responded to IDF enquiries regarding intent and course, this is a lost cause for the Israelis to defend. They have no claim that their response was appropriate.
I am going to have to get some sleep but hope to have an update post tomorrow. Thanks for sharing so much information – and our sorrow this night.
Al Jazeera Youtube clip…!
All the boats have been rolled up by now. It is late morning off the once-again bloodstained Levantine coast.
May peace come there soon.
I hope some idiot will affix the “terrorist” label to the members of this flotilla.
Aloha, Siun…!
thanks – but youtube there won’t go either, maybe overload
god damn … Ayalon opens with “the armada of hate and terrorism” and tries to portray the flotilla as a terrorist act.
That is why I mentioned earlier that if a distress signal was sent, either “HELP” or “MAYDAY”, the ship’s position is automatically sent in the message. That message is received by ALL vessels in the vicinity and retransmitted until there is a responding signal. This call for help contains the GPS position of the ship at the time of the call. All such calls are recorded by shore facilities. It is a system that IIRC is European wide, including the Mediterranean Sea. This will show the position despite the lies given by the Israeli fascists. Weep for honorable Israel as well, it exists, and is as much a casualty in this despicable act of an illegitimate state and government.
calling the flotilla a violent attack …. fuck him.
For Los Angeles area Firedogs:
Protest:
When
May 31, 2010 – June 01, 2010
4:30 PM – 8:00 PM
Where
Israeli Consulate
6380 Wilsher Blvd
Los Angeles
Organized by Gaza Freedom March
Link to their ‘About’ page: http://gazafreedommarch.org/cms/en/about.aspx
be there.
Wow, six fucking minutes.
I responded particularly because we haven’t communicated well in some of our other efforts.
I want to say something that in text might come across in one of two ways, and I hope you’ll give it the benefit of the helpful interpretation, since that’s how it’s intended.
I also responded because your statement
was an example of just the sort of thing I was trying to say before, that we bear some responsibility for creating our world (and in return we get the power to change it rather than lie helplessly in wait for someone to change it for us).
While that last statement might be heard as “I wanted to show you I was right,” I say it because I wanted to say “see? What you just said is what I meant before, too. Perhaps what seemed like disagreement earlier was just misunderstanding each other.”
And not only do I agree generally that there are things we each could have done to prevent this (which means we must accept some responsibility for it, and especially if we allow it to continue now that it’s so obvious), I also agree with you specifically, too.
I’m not trying to threadjack (if there’s even a question about that), it just seemed really important to try to take as many moments of good as possible out of this sad event. Reaching a better understanding between the two of us – which given your statement here would lead to a better understanding for others of what people can do and why – seemed like one of those moments of good.
“We WILL do a LOT of things, we will.”
That’s great!
Delegitimize the fig leaf status of this term. Let the boogieman be seen by all for what it is.
And this doozy…
WTF…?
Yes food is so provoking and such a threat to Israel. Nite:)
May well have been, but let him prove it.
Analysis / After Monday’s ocean bloodbath, Israel must work fast to prevent a third intifada
If rumors are confirmed that Muslim leader Raed Salah is among casualties of Israel’s raid on a Gaza aid convoy, the country’s Arab population could explode.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/analysis-after-monday-s-ocean-bloodbath-israel-must-work-fast-to-prevent-a-third-intifada-1.293203
night.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/gaza.protest/
Lets see if CNN runs this on American tv lets see if they mention the boats were in international waters.
If they do that I may faint. Nite
The shit is hitting the fan…
*heh* add Sweden too…!
Aloha, TCU…!
Add France…
This is beginning to look a bit worrisome. Obama’s administration must have discussed this mounting situation with Israel prior to the event. Either some ‘Grand Chessboard’ shit is coming down, or Israel gave Obama the birdie.
We need to all chill down…
The Beeb now has some video footage…
Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
It’s #FreedomFlotilla for trending…!
preventive war doctrine, transformed into preventive force application on high sees?
Kidnapping and Piracy by a Government Navy, from where I stand.
Dayam… Haaretz has this…
What hath god wrought…?
Document tomorrow’s media atrocities.
-nite.
Juan Cole at Informed Comment has an excellent post as well
Thanks for the link. There goes any respect for Haaretz, what a load of self-serving shite.
This is a call to the world from the people on the boats. “We are a civilian people doing what our governments have refused to do, challenge Israel’s right to collectively punish 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza by blockading their right to their own sea. This flotilla is bringing construction and educational supplies the people of Gaza and are being met by Israeli warships.”
Did you enjoy the “Don’t blame the Commando” part…? 8-(
Paranoia is never rational. And as a way of seeing the world it always perpetuates itself.
The comment you quoted is a perfect example of the national Israeli paranoia being used as the distorted lens through which to see and interpret this particular event.
This is important to know because it means that no amount of discussion will ever change Israel’s paranoia or paranoid behavior – because discussion is rational, and paranoia is not and never will be.
The way to treat this paranoia on the national level is the same as it is on the personal level.
The first atrocity is that this is what it took to bring coverage of the flotilla onto the front page of the NYT.
Top item on Yahoo news at 5:45 am EDT: “Israeli military: Troops came under fire during ship takeover”
US media will be worse than worthless, as ever.
I am sick at heart.
Look Chuck Schumer you fuck at what your little fucking fascist country has done. BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS. You are no liberal. If dear Rachel doesn’t cover and condemn this then she is no liberal either and we will have no more Rachel worship. This was state murder pure and simple. You will NEVER AGAIN HAVE THE LAST WORD you AIPAC supporting scum.
That three point demand that AIPAC and Schumer made of Obama had as its third point that the US should privately handle their disagreements with Israel. That third point is ANTI DEMOCRATIC and it is AIMED at the AMERICAN PEOPLE. What they want is that THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NOT DISCUSS ISRAEL. They can’t handle having all the lies exposed. But it is coming whether your precious MSNBC is the medium or not.
All those Senators who signed Boxer’s letter have blood on their hands.
No more progressives except for Palestine. If you don’t condemn this you are no progressive. You are a spoiled little fucking baby in denial.
Where is that master of super bullshit Dershowitz telling us how this was the most moral operation ever???
Jewish Voice for Peace announced an emergency NYC protest today, 3:00 pm at Times Square.
Just like Gaza, Obama is on vacation.
I just posted a new Seminal diary…
Israeli Commandos Beseiged By ‘Lynch Mobs’ On The High Seas
The corporate scum media we have here in the fucked ole US of A will give the story one day of minimal coverage and then move on to American Idol. Olbermann will cover it once and his voice will crack like it did when he had to cover the Gaza slaughter and then he’ll gladly move on to some Republican congressman who said something stupid.
I’m really tempted to make a list of all the people who contribute on this site every day, but won’t say a fucking thing about this. Everybody make a mental note of who is silent.
Yes, I did notice that part; the shite was about as deep as it gets with that, but what does one expect out of a regime thats foundation was built on the shifting sands of lies, mistaking violence for power, perpetuating the crimes committed as the foundation of a state.
In all establishing of states by armed violence, only the US had a political control over the armed revolutionaries who were never part of the controlling faction. The French revolution’s founding committee was shortly subverted by the ambition of Napoleon as was the Bolshevik by the ambition of Stalin, both controlling or purging the originating coalitions.
The violence and reign of terror upon the established population by the founders of Zionist Israel held the power of government from the beginning and never relinquished that power. Today, the then youth still maintain power, power has never been held by innocent political hands, much like the power in the U.S. is exercised by military command experience throughout much of this countries existence beginning with George Washington but not continuously as is the case with Israeli history. Only Israel has not had a corrective period which to shed or resolve the guilt of humanitarian crimes committed from its founding; being unlikely Israel ever will, the children of the elite will inherit their parents status and rule.
Sorry this is delayed, had to go to shop for bits and pieces.
How does he know the politics of the hackers? A friend of mine had the same thing happen.
But Germany also had two sitting members of parliament (Ms Höger MdB (Linke) and Ms Groth MdB (Linke)) on board of these ships…
There has to be some kind of reaction from the German administration.
How far was this from where they MURDERED the sailors of the USS Liberty? We didn’t do shit about that, why should the Germans do anything about this? Some people are just so fucking special that they get to murder others. They are really special people. Racist to the core actually. Wittgentstein said that the human soul looks like the human face. Don’t the racists realize that their faces give them away? Most likely they think that we are just so fucking stupid that we can’t figure it out.
Really, how untethered to reality do you have to be to believe that the people on the ships were “rioting”? How stupid do you have to believe others are to tell that story? Link.
Today, we will see the English language tortured by the MSM. It will be quite a storm of super duper fucking massive hasbra BULLSHIT.
Please don’t set yourselves up in anticipation for Obama to respond.
Not gonna happen.
The US is not going to do ANYTHING about this massacre. Israel will not suffer any pushback from the US.
Members of Congress will stand in solidarity with Israel’s actions, blaming the floatilla for ignoring Israel’s warning.
If it’s reported here at all, it will get the Jerusalem filter and drop off the radar.
This is why Israel kills unarmed civilians from all nations with total impunity. They know they can.
Can you imagine if Syria or Iran even threatened a humanitarian floatilla?
Wow. Wall to wall coverage, Day after day reporting. And right out front, Israel demanding world condemnation, demannding US military response, and the endless stream of anti Islamic venom from our “liberal” MSM.
What clemenza said. Netanyahu had Obama figured for a patsy from the moment they first talked. The administration’s bullshit with regard to a resolution of the Arab Israeli conflict is just more of the same. Same shit, different day.
I don’t find it very useful to consider the U.S. and Israel as separate entities, the same way it’s not helpful to mistakenly believe business and government and media are separate.
The U.S. and Israel are just two branches of a single entity owned and controlled by the same group of wealthy people.
So believing Obama is a “patsy” already missing an essential point: Obama and Congress aren’t just patsies.
They’re active collaborators.
That’s one reason why I said this event will be like the Gulf oil spill. There it became clear that BP and the government were effectively one entity, acting against the people.
I believe with respect to Israel the same truth will be exposed here.
Obama is Israels lackey.
We’ll be nice President Hussein, we’ll forgive you for daring to criticize our illegal settlements when you give us another 5 billion dollar weapon shipment. If you don’t get down on one knee and bow we’ll pressure you to invade Iran, and if you don’t support our civilian massacre then what will the end times book of revelation freaks do to you? Yea that’s what I thought now kiss our boot and say you support our settlements.
Sit, bark, heel, shake. Good boy.
Yes.
So, so unfortunate those still clinging to “power” in the “Old System” have decided to take things to the very edge. However, as you observed…this action will wake up more and more people as they see…first hand…there is indeed a “man behind the curtain.” Which is ironic, because the “power clingers” are assuming they can keep doing it the way they’ve always been doing it and are assuming as well the results will be the same.
They’re wrong. We’re living a new reality. A reality that says: The very actions they think are gonna keep them on top of the heap…are the very actions that are now making them obsolete, with nowhere to go. Yep, the planet…is waking up. And saying, “No more.”
Just ask us to stay in our hearts. See, visualize the outcome we want via peaceful means. And stand firm.
Here’s the thing.
The peaceful protestors are trying to pull a ghandi against a group of monsters that would see them dead, their countries lain to ruins, and the desert turned to glass.
We won’t move from this spot we want peace, we will stand firm.
Then the other guy pulls out a gun, shoots the peace protestor: You aren’t standing anymore.
Very good point.
I wasn’t speaking about them. I was speaking…about us. (Don’t know about you, but when this kind of stuff happens, hatred and rage are our “normal” responses. I sense, however, that if we keep going there…we’re not helping… Admittedly, am talking on a more “quantum reality” spiritual level here.)
Here’s the problem with the peaceful protests.
The racists in government knew that if they had the army open fire on peaceful protestors they wouldn’t get elected.
The British wanted a stable colony and if low lvl terrorizing wouldn’t cow them into submission a massacre would make it completely unprofitable.
The Israelis have carte blanche to perform atrocities.
If you had a sit in and the army knew they had no fear of retribution then tossing a grenade into the center of the crowd wouldn’t be evil, it’d be a fun way to deal with a problem.
A bunch of people marching? Tell them to turn back, when they don’t listen open fire…what’re they going to do? Fight back? Then just kill more of them.
Our politicians would send thousands of our soldiers to war to kill hundreds of thousands of people for 2% points in a poll.
Our CEOs would ignore human decency, dump crap into the oceans, destroy third world towns, price gouge, monopolize screw with people, cause countries to suffer an economic collapse and foment worldwide violence just to see the DOW go up 10….dows(?).
We’re dealing with people using a cold logic that they get what they want and the world moves on. They have no conscience, no remorse, no pity for the dead, no concern for the living, if it doesn’t affect their precious slutty heirs then it doesn’t matter.
What has code pink done? Really done? A few girls got naked and covered themselves in oil in front of BP offices? Really? Most guys have to pay to see that kind of thing. What’s it going to do? It might make them feel like they’ve accomplished….something, but we live in a country where a million strong anti war protest would be cut off to watch 3 disgruntled barely literate assholes wearing tea bags marching trying to get the government to stop giving medical care to the blacks and hispanics but not even dream of touching theirs.
We can do all the lalala koombayah **** until we die of old age, but if the politicians thought that they could maybe, just maybe, kill a few thousand anti war activists and get away with it, do you think they’d pass up the chance?
The ruling class has no respect for human life, appreciation of the dignity of individuals, appreciation of peace, compassion, or any hint of decency.
The universe revolves around them, and they want to destroy whatever refuses to get in line, bow their heads and drop to one knee through whatever means necessary.