Nooners, today.
I don’t see how the president’s position and popularity can survive the oil spill.
Nooners, after Katrina.
Is the Bush Era over? No, no, no. It has three more years. That’s a long time. History turns on a dime. There is much ahead, and potential for progress.
These posts write themselves.
Anyway, back to Nooners.
His [Obama's] philosophy is that it is appropriate for the federal government to occupy a more burly, significant and powerful place in America—confronting its problems of need, injustice, inequality. [...] Then the oil spill came and government could not do the job, could not meet need, in fact seemed faraway and incapable: “We pay so much for the government and it can’t cap an undersea oil well!”
I would like Nooners to point to the branch of government that’s responsible for capping an undersea oil well.



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She probably had 3 stiff ones before coming up with that! But is she ever sober?
I don’t know if I agree that BP would be the cause for the fall of the Obama White House, but I can think of a lot of other reasons why it should go down. Sorry, not going to rally around the President. He’s just doing his part to protect those that will fund his re-election campaign. It’s not about the people, never was. Too bad the Democrats decided to play Republican. Maybe in 2016 we can have our party back.
She also told us, in ’93 or so, that Clinton would be a one term President.
Noonan is Back ! As intelligent as usual. Thanks, BT.
The Wall Street Journal could get better editorial mileage out of an infinite number of monkeys, but the smell in the room would still be unbearable.
OT but…
The Rand had this to say: I hate American citizens!
One from the archives:
Leni RiefenstahlNooners on Bush’s 2003 SOTU address:Never forget and never forgive.
Oh, barf.
Please, please, PLEASE let it be 2012.
“Obama’s Presidency is Over”
Don’t I wish. No second term for frauds.
It may irk us, but Noonan’s view is the template for the future, going far beyond the Gulf Oil spill.
The Right’s message will be that Obama’s Presidency proved that liberal policies don’t work.
Of course, this will drive us progressives–for most of whom Obama seems like some kinda neocon–nuts. Inasmuch as Obama fails, it will be because his policies are too right-wing, and right-wing policies are covers for the war of the rich against the rest of society.
But this won’t be the way the story is told. You can hardly watch the news for a minute without some rightie declaring how wildly radical Obama is. They’re going to keep to their narrative, like they always do.
Obama’s future media image as The Leftist Who Failed–who proved liberalism is no good–will be an unpleasant irony we’ll have to live with, and chew on, for quite a while, because, false though it is, God knows that’s what the corporate media will say.
As a patriotic gesture to the nation if only Nooners would offer her pinhead to plug the leak.
So take your ball and go home, who needs you anwyways.
Strict Constitutionalist.
Didn’t Noonan come to her celebrity status by being one of Reagan’s speechwriters? How appropriate: she helped fool Americans into accepting and liking one of the worst, most corrosive Presidents in History, and she has to keep going out there and keeping the fiction alive.
Like Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich, the fact that Noonan can safely spew her blatant manipulation without consequence just goes to show how worthless and empty our national press is.
Well, best was Rush- who this afternoon referred to ‘Our Peg’ as “an early Obama supporter…”
Shorter Peggy:
Oh, if only George W. Bush was still President. He would have donned his Presidential speedo, swum down to the bottom of the gulf, and plugged the leak himself.
2016 will be too late. If there isn’t a radical course correction in the near future this ship of state is going down. By 2016 “party” won’t matter but tribe will.
Lol, same to you too lemming.
Rahm, is that you?
Don’t blame the messenger for pointing out what is obviously true. No bigger sucker in the universe than one who’d vote for Obama a second time.
Kool-aide, anyone?
Speechwriter? I thought she was a concubine.
Obama’s presidency isn’t over. The mirage that we have a government for the people and by the people, is over. We are under siege by corporate interests and democracy/capitalism has failed. This Oil Spill will change America forever, theres still millions of more gallons to spill in the gulf, and democrats/republicans are responsible. The government has failed us on everything, health care, financial regulation, the wars, and now this. She’s right.. all that hope from 2008 is dead.
We deserve the government we have. I’m seriously just going to move to SF, live there the rest of my life, and not give one fuck about what you idiots living anywhere else are doing.
Peggy Noonan is an unprincipled political hack? The hell you say! Why, this exposé will surely do in her reputation.
The Army Corps. of Engineers working with the material support provided by the U.S. Navy and Coast Guard to mitigate a clear and present threat to the American people, resources, land, and ecosystems. That is supposed to be the sole function of the government, to protect the public-trust. To enact on our behalf, via the social compact, what we cannot individually enact on our own.
We may never have a two-term president again!
Yup.
I can’t figure out which constitution he is talking about.
What makes you think that the Democrats are going to make any sort of serious course correction? They aren’t. Sure, they’ll feign interest in liberal causes in 2011 in preparation for the run-up to the Presidential election, but just like in 2009, we’ll all be severely disappointed when push comes to shove. Just expect them to find their inner-progressive around late next year. Just watch it fade in the aftermath of the election.
In regards to Response #11 from perrylogan, I agree with you wholeheartedly. The media will spin Obama’s demise as the death of the progressive movement. It will be horrible and it is going to cost us. Unfortunately, do you see any way around it? Do you see something that is going to spark Obama to realize that if he actually acted like the progressive the RNC has nailed him as, he’d actually be well supported and he’d have no problem in 2012?
Unfortunately, he’s already spent all his good will on his bi-partisanship crap and no one will trust or believe him. He’s a “New Democrat” corporatist and that’s all there is to it. He has warped the Congress and made stalwart characters like Feingold and Kucinich seem like his lackeys and they have lost credibility as well.
Democrats will lose the presidency in 2012. Unfortunately that means we won’t be able to change anything until 2016. By then, Obama and whatever reactionary right wing stooge that gets in there in 2012 will have seeded the court and the country with such far reaching right-wing nonsensical views, the progressive movement will be that much more at a loss.
Who knows, maybe we should give the public more credit than what Fox News or MSNBC does and maybe they’ll see through the stuff and we can see the rise of a 3rd party. Then again, I know that’s crap and we’re all morons, scared to death of losing our jobs, not being able to care for our families and destined to be the lemmings big business and the corporate media expect us to be.
dimentia hitting Miss Piggy i mean Miss Peggy
The former High Priestess of the Reagan cult will do or say anything to distract from the fact that she and others propped up an Alzheimers addled President as an oligarchy usurped democracy in this nation.
When will they start reviving the “Not the Network News” programs from early HBO that WEEKLY showed others, notably Nancy Reagan, feeding the president his lines while giving speeches?
Can we ignore Nooners now? She’s now Murdoch’s shill– it doesn’t get much lower than that.
Obama’s presidency is over because he is a puppet of Wall St. Its time for him to go home now. I’m African American It will be 200 years before we have another black president but that’s ok.
When there is only one political party in the U.S., the Corporatist Party, what difference does it make?
AZ Matt wrote: “She probably had 3 stiff ones before coming up with that!”
(Shudder)
OK, whatever. Just so long as I don’t have to provide one of the stiff ones.
HI LOO HOO! waves!
Peggy Noonan may well be the U.S. version of Marie Antoinnete, but that’s not really fair to Marie.
By SF do you mean San Francisco? You don’t think you’ll find any idiots there?
at 10:07 tonight the cost of the current wars will surpass 1 trillion dollars.
Check it out:
http://costofwar.com/
WaPo neuters the news and then wonders where the profits went.
Only bankers can ignore patriotism.
“Tiny Dancer to the courtesy phone, please.”
OT ~ CNN reporting minutes ago they have been working a story for the last couple of hours that Rahm offered Sestak a job to keep him out of the PA primary. They are reporting that Rahm was operating without the knowledge and authorization of (just?) the WH counsel. Issa on camera saying Rahm’s action is “illegal” and “unethical” but he doubts charges would be laid.
Seems Rahm is in a bit of hot water all by his lonesome on this one!
There goes my lunch.
MLK, “Why I Am Opposed to the War in
VietnamIraq/Afghanistan”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80Bsw0UG-U
Oh, and I cannot stand Noonan. Planned on not opening the post at all.
The thought of Rahm offering a dance class in Leavenworth is just too rich.
I’d say where she’s getting this from, but it’s a public place, so to speak, and there may be Children Reading This, so to speak. Beside, I think my mother would rise from the dead to wash my mouth out with soap (or, just as likely, wash out Nooner’s mouth).
I suspect that if MLK were alive today he would be Obama’s worst nightmare. Listening to Jessie Jackson’s radio call in show “Keep Hope Alive” it was revealing to hear black intellectuals and phone callers very critical of Obama’s phony policies.
She’s really sounding batty these days.
Must be the chaos in her mind; the distortion between her ideas of the world, and the ways in which it actually functions, appear to be diverging at a rate she can’t quite manage.
Sad.
Do you not know anything? Of course that would be: NUMA and Dirk Pitt. Read up in a Clive Cussler Novel and you’ll have your answer.
Oh, wait. That’s fiction, just like Nooners herself.
Indeedy! lolz.
This is the quandary – can’t stand Noonan and am a bit more than disappointed with Team Obama. Perhaps there are more than two possible answers to a question. I guess I’ll settle for not really caring what Noonan thinks, for or against.
The Army Corps. of Engineers working with the material support provided by the U.S. Navy and Coast Guard to mitigate a clear and present threat to the American people, resources, land, and ecosystems. That is supposed to be the sole function of the government, to protect the public-trust. To enact on our behalf, via the social compact, what we cannot individually enact on our own.
Wait, Dirk Pitt is not a real person? Now they’ll never be able to fix this.
let her drink sake.
We pay so much for government and we can’t do better than getting total morons for speechwriters.
Geez, these women in the republican stable are pathetic! Nooners, among others, appear to be at the end of their usefulness to the party. I wanted to climb through the tee vee the other day when I saw Matalin crying over the devastation in LA. Cying? Are you effin kidding me? She was hip deep in the selling deregulation of corporations (especially the oil and gas companies) and now that it’s come to rest at her doorstep, she wants to cry? Gimme a break. These women should just do what their masters want…back to the kitchen…you’re worthless anywhere else.
What awesome submarine/robot/undersea oil well plugging system does the Army Corps of Engineers/US Navy/Coast Guard have that was not available to them because of Obama’s inaction or incompetence?
Michael Whitney has a fresh cross-post in progress: Cleanup Theater in Full Effect as Obama Comes to Grand Isle, LA
As a koolaid drinking O booster, I can’t express my dismay with his handling of this crisis. Here was an opportunity to challenge free market soultions – point out the problems of off-shore drilling – point out the hypocrisey of the Republican position on the Federal government – to help reassure those in Jindalstan that the good guys were on the way – and what did he do? Allow BP to dictate the conversation…, get defensive – and fail to show up… As someone said, Bill Clinton would’ve been down there in a wet suit, ready to dive into the sludge… Obama blew it with this one – and it may have far reaching ramifications…
Noonan’s just a shill, no doubt.
But I’m glad she said it because not only should he go down, he should be impeached.
Expecting Obama to cap the well is a distraction from his real crimes.
Starting with giving BP the environmental waiver for this well, after the court ruled against them. But the most egregious crimes stll being perpetrated is his total negligence of the destruction of the coast, his refusal to force BP from using Corexit which is not only killing everything but dying a horrible convulsive death, BO forcing fisherman to work without protective gear, the unqualified dummies who have no idea how to lay out the booms, huge areas of the coast left unprotectedfor weeks despite local officials begging the WH to get BP over there, the harassment and callous disregard of innocent Americans by the government and BP, the mammoth cover up going on, his refusal to call in tankers to try and suck it up instead of letting BP hide the magnitude by creating huge underwater plumes of toxic stwe, and allocating our tax dollars to pay for the Gulf disaster.
What happened to the law he’s been hiding behind? I though BP has to pay for it all? Hey, no money for unemplyment extensions, but money so help BP’s bottom line. These are the actions of a traitor, an enemy to the people of this nation. And Congress is his partner in cime.
He’s dangerous, clueless, incompetent, and considering all of his legislation to date, whether it’s Biden or John McCain, I can’t see the downside to removing him from office. The same legislation like cutting entitlements and war funding and bank bailouts, and dill baby drill, and charter schools will simply carry on.
What a surprise.
I agree completely. Blown opportunity at a teachable moment.
No different than BP’s, except that their goals can be aligned differently. You remove conflict-of-interest from the decision-making.
- Declare state of emergency.
- Commandeer necessary additional resources.
- Do whatever it takes to stop the flow of oil, even if it means destroying future ability to extract.
- Deal with BP’s negligence and incompetence after the problem is resolved.
you are so on target with this.
I’m also left to assume you believe the implication in your response as well. That it was advantageous to leave BP in charge?
People tend to give Clinton too much credit, he was the catalyst that turned his party into the corporate whore we see today. If you think he would have used the opportunity to challenge free market soultions and point out the problems of off-shore drilling, you are dreaming.
He’d have been smart enough to stage a better photo op, so what?
Nope, not really. I’ve lived in San Francisco. Live in D.C. now. The East Coast is disgusting. Moving back to SF, positively the best place in the states to live.
Who cares. They should all be wearing prison strips.
Funny, I don’t see a “Special Super Duper Mile-Deep Oil Spill Clogger” in that list.
Did you forget to add it, or is that it doesn’t exist?
And nice pivot away from the Army Corps of Engineers/Navy/Coast Guard (like the fucking Navy is in the business of fixing catastrophic oil spills) from a random of list of things that still don’t add up to shit.
I’m sure it never once occurred to Obama to “do whatever it takes.”
Did it ever occur to anyone that if life, animal, plant, sea, human, etc., in the Gulf is destroyed, the only thing left to do out there will be deep sea oil drilling? How convenient.
So you’re asserting that there was no better course of action to take than to allow BP to maintain its charge of attempts to deal with the problem?
I’m not an expert with fluid dynamics or materials science. I only took one course for each in college. I’m also not up on what the latest ROV gear and wellhead designs are, nor underwater surveying equipment.
What I do know is that if you leave the problem up to BP your range of acceptable options for action is considerably narrowed by the boundaries of their own interests. That’s what I mean by whatever it takes. Clearly Obama didn’t consider it, because if he had… then BP wouldn’t fucking be in charge of anything.
There doesn’t have to already be a “Special Super Duper Mile-Deep Oil Spill Clogger” on the inventory sheet of the Navy. The whole point is to have people with the right goals and incentives in place making the decisions and coming up with solutions to a problem that has no immediate turnkey solution. The Navy and the Coast Guard can provide significant logistical and material support in lots of ways that don’t include already having a “Special Super Duper Mile-Deep Oil Spill Clogger.” They can lay booms, they can provide ships, underwater construction resources, demolitions experts, volunteer and researcher transport, etc. etc. etc.
Rahm? Rahm?
Because the presidency is not just a executive position – he’s the leader of the democratic party, and good photo-ops are important – if they’re followed by action…
Amen to that.
I’ve been thinking the same thing. Won’t need no stinkin’ environmental studies after this!!
Each time Peggy Noonan is on one of those Weekend shows as a talking head, I will not watch it. Anytime she is on Morning with Joe, I will not watch it.
Her voice and knowledge is deafening. She is about the dumbest person next to Sister Sarah their crowd.
It really doesn’t matter what I believe except I would hope you believe she is as obnoxious as misleading of facts as George Will.
I am so with you. Presently they are demonstrating just how much oil there is down there – obviously, we see the evidence every day, sickening as it is. There is hardly any better demonstration showing how oil independent we could become, if we simply drill everywhere in our country – consequences be damned. And if we have already ruined the environment, well obviously we won’t have to worry about that any more.
This is the lady who raved in print about magical dolphins shepherding Elian to Florida after his mother died at sea. Reality isn’t her strong suit.
They, meaning all the oil and gas bandits, have known for some time that there were vast reserves @ 1 mile plus, and they’ve been working on the technology and political for some time to get to it. Depletion of this particular reserve will take years. Score!!! And, with Obama as pres…hell, that’s just icing on the cake. I hear Cheney in my head laughing with delight.
Peggy Peggy Peggy, don’t worry Pres. Palin’s 1st term is just around the corner , u douche bag.
You are offering zero evidence that these have been unavailable.
Peggy? Peggy?
I’m not a Nooner, but I can help you out there. Its what my friend would call the MFWIC (mif wick) branch. You see you have the MFWIC, Executive, Legaslative, and Judicial branch. It all rolls down hill, and BP is part of the MFWIC branch. So they’re responsible, but they own the other branches so it doesn’t really matter.
Oh, and its M F’er Whats In Charge.
Peggy’s been at her disinformation game since the Reagan days. She’s had years of practice polishing the BS. Get a life.
I’m not saying they’re not available. I’m saying that the Army Corps of Engineers may not have the necessary resources, and that there are things that the Navy and Coast Guard could provide them in assistance. Maybe they can’t, maybe they’d have to commandeer resources from the private sector. Regardless, BP should not be in charge of anything. They should be on the outside looking in.
The whole point is that the Army Corps of Engineers should be the government institution tasked with handling this emergency response, not BP.
Again, I’m left to assume that you agree with the condition that BP should be left in charge, and that under their stead every possible consideration to stop the well from pumping into the ocean will be considered. Including the ones that destroy opportunities for future extraction, or have no concern for thrift. ???
Well there is MacGruber!
Hell for that matter, based on the closing statement of your incredibly intrepid and incisive exposé of one of the establishment media’s previously most principled pundits:
Apparently the government has no responsibility to cap an undersea oil well. That’s the direct implication of your statement.
So again, I’m left to assume that you agree with the condition that BP should be left in charge, and that under their stead every possible consideration to stop the well from pumping into the ocean will be considered. Including the ones that destroy opportunities for future extraction, or have no concern for thrift.
Point of Note to the readers: Blue Texan holds harmless the United States government for the actions and inactions following this travesty, because there’s no pre-existing government agency with a “Special Super Duper Mile-Deep Oil Spill Clogger” on-hand, and the legal mandate to specifically use it to cap an undersea oil well.
BT @ 80
hehehehe
wait nathan, this isnt about the destruction of the gulf of mexico, this is FAR more important. its about whose side your on, and who is going to get “pwned” in the midterms, and who was right first.
Yeah, because the men in the Republican stable aren’t useless or hypocritical. Or maybe gender is immaterial.
I don’t find your complaints very compelling. It’s clear that you agree with Nooners and you think the government/president have massively bungled their response to BP’s huge fuckup.
Obama himself has admitted they’ve made mistakes, and I agreed with the above comment about his failure to exploit the moment politically. But how much those mistakes have actually impacted events on the ground isn’t clear to me at all.
To listen to you, all Obama had to do was to tell the Navy/Coast Guard “do whatever it takes” — and problem solved. I just don’t buy it.
The Army Corps of Engineers couldn’t build proper levees in New Orleans, and you think they could handle this? Maybe so!
But I haven’t heard the Army Corps of Engineers step up and say, “Let us handle this — we’ve got the capability.” I haven’t heard the Navy say, “We got this.”
If you’ve got links, share them.
I’m really scratching my head why there is an attempted meme to float around that the federal government isn’t responsible for dealing with major emergencies – I could understand if this meme was on RedState emphasizing small government/industry self-regulation, but FDL isn’t RS. Why do we have the Federal Emergency Management Agency if it isn’t to deal with emergencies? Isn’t the Environmental Protection Agency meant to protect the environment? The list goes on and on with executive branch responsibilities in dealing with disasters/emergencies. If we’re spending trillions of dollars a year on the executive branch and the executive branch can’t handle a disaster/emergency, there’s something seriously wrong – and saying the executive branch is responsible for mitigating them is even more dangerous.
You’re right, gender is immaterial when evaluating the usefulness of these cultists, however, we were talking about Nooners, a woman, to the best of my knowledge.
“The Army Corps of Engineers couldn’t build proper levees in New Orleans, and you think they could handle this?”
It wouldn’t surprise me to find out that there’s lots of Mike Browns in the Obama administration, but that’s a problem rather than an excuse. Ineptitude/corruption doesn’t absolve one of being responsible. Do you think the “free market” should have been left to protect New Orleans?
I’m talking about technical capability, not competence.
I don’t find your implied assertion that the government can’t do anything, other than have a politically teachably moment, to deal with this problem beyond letting BP do whatever the fuck they want to do to deal with it, and further that the best way to address this mammoth problem is to narrow the frame of acceptable solutions to only those which service BP’s interests, to be at all compelling.
Perhaps BP should just let the thing bleed out until it’s empty, and not bother to try anything. After all, it’s not like they have a “Special Super Duper Mile-Deep Oil Spill Clogger” on-hand either.
After all, per your prescription, we should only bother addressing problems for which there are already turnkey solutions. Everything else is by definition impossible to manage, according to your construction.
Point of Note to the readers: Blue Texan holds harmless the United States government for the actions and inactions following this travesty, because there’s no pre-existing government agency with a “Special Super Duper Mile-Deep Oil Spill Clogger” on-hand, and the legal mandate to specifically use it to cap an undersea oil well.
Might as well let the free-market take care of it, eh? /s
More importantly I do not agree with “Nooners.”
Peggy Noonan is pinning this on the President, not because he’s a colosal fuck-up and duplicitous jackass, but because he’s a convenient political adversary. As in, she’s exhibiting the very behavior which she’s built a career on and surprises nobody. In other words, she’s just making a thoroughly insignificant contribution to the field of journalism and punditry in the form of partisan loyalist gossip.
I, on the other hand, am pinning this on the President, because it’s blindingly fucking stupid to leave BP in control of decision making and policy surrounding this catastrophe. They don’t know how to stop the gusher, and their only incentives narrow their possible solutions to those which impact their bottom-line the least, let them retain the ability for extraction, etc. They’re only disincentives are to make sure not to do something that the systemic demand for their products and vast PR campaigns can’t ultimately undo. Have we already forgotten the fiasco surrounding Corexit?
You’re not providing any links to back up your repeated assertions that these agencies you claim can do something about an oil rupture a mile deep can actually do something about it. That’s sort of central to your argument.
I have to assume, therefore, that you’re just making it up and you actually don’t know if they can do anything about it.
You also apparently can’t read, because I wrote,
So clearly I don’t think “everything is impossible to manage” or that “the free market should take care of it.”
Where we disagree is that you seem to think, like Nooners, that this is mostly a failure of the Obama administration. I don’t.
If that makes me “Rahm”, fine.
No, central to my argument is that BP does not have the incentives to consider every option, and secondly those agencies can command private resources in addition to their existing ones, so if BP has the capacity to solve this problem, then the military co-opts those resources, while maintaing their primary mission to stop the gusher post haste, regardless of profit motives and shareholder value.
Central to your argument is that its not stupid to leave BP in control of decision making and policy surrounding this catastrophe. Despite the fact that they don’t know how to stop the gusher, and their only incentives narrow their possible solutions to those which impact their bottom-line the least, let them retain the ability for extraction, etc. They’re only disincentives are to make sure not to do something that the systemic demand for their products and vast PR campaigns can’t ultimately undo.
It’s entirely possible that nothing can be done about this problem, but it’s certain that leaving control in the hands of BP will ensure that the scope of solving the problem will be narrowed only to what is in the interest of BP. Full stop. Leaving BP in control is the Obama Administration’s colosal fuck-up, irrespective of the current state-of-the-art on capping deep sea oil wells.
Does BP have a “Special Super Duper Mile-Deep Oil Spill Clogger” that they’re just not telling us about, or are refusing to use?
Do they?
Again, It’s entirely possible that nothing can be done about this problem, but it’s certain that leaving control in the hands of BP will ensure that the scope of solving the problem will be narrowed only to what is in the interest of BP. Full stop. Leaving BP in control is the Obama Administration’s colosal fuck-up, irrespective of the current state-of-the-art on capping deep sea oil wells.
Err, this is simply a case of a tenant wasting the assets of his landlord. The seabed in that part of the Gulf the seabed and the oil beneath ontains are property of the United States Government. If you let a toilet overflow in your apartment for 6 weeks, only an idiot landlord would trust you to fix it.
The cleanup has a confused chain of command and its clear that BP’s interests are not aligned with the Government’s. Obama should have put the Navy in charge at the very beginning. Worst case scenario, its going to be a Navy B86 warhead that’s going go bang next to the wellhead, so might as well let the them run the show from the start. It really, truly absolutely doesn’t matter if the Government has the tools in-house to fix the problem short of a nuclear warhead. Thanks to the magic of “public necessity”, if ANYONE who has the tools to fix it, Uncle Sam can just take it and forward any claims for damages over to BP.
Public necessity is the use of private property by a public official for a public reason. The potential harm to society necessitates the destruction or use of private property for the greater good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_(tort)#Public_Necessity