Oil is not a terra-ist, or is it? Looks like yes. Sadly, we cannot evacuate the Gulf of all the life that is at risk and will die.

Bastards.

Yeah, there are a whole lot of places the 1% doctrine needs to be applied. Including (but not limited to ) off shore oil drilling, global climate change, nuclear power and waste, genetically modified organisms.

But of course, the excuse is always “no one could have anticipated THAT happening…”

“Oil industry experts and officials” are currently at the top of my list of People Who Can Kiss My Hairy White Ass. Sarah Palin can just fuck off and eat worms.

This is an interesting study that was conducted after Exxon Valdez.

Nearly 40% of those associated with the fisheries business will suffer PTSD.

And we pick up the bill. The polluter will not.

Beginning on page 154, readers are able to gain insight as to the terrible impact of an oil spill destroying a community.

This well isn’t capped yet and may have an outcome 100 times worse than the Exxon Valdez. The total destruction of the eco system and the fishing and other gulf industries is not going to be fully covered by the main stream press.

How did we ever get to this point?

1. California banned off shore drilling after a catastrophic oil leak off the Santa Barbara coast.

2. BP was responsible for the 2005 Texas City refinery blast that killed 15 and injured 170. It’s an established fact that when BP assumed management of the refinery, they cut back on maintenance, maintenance workers, operations personnel including in the control rooms, and allowed construction trailers to be put right next to the unit that blew up, even though this area had been unoccupied all the time before because it was too hazardous.

3. OSHA just levied $85 million in fines against BP for not correcting the deficiencies that lead to the 2005 catastrophe.

4. Reportedly BP minimized the risk of explosion and oil spill in its application for its permit to drill the well.

5. Reportedly BP declined to spend money ($500,000)on blow oout preventer equipment that could have quickly plugged the leak.

6. The $2.5 million punitive judgement against Exxon for the Exxon Valdez spill was vacated (and remanded) by the Bush Supreme Court in 2008.

Does BP have any concern whether it is destroying America’s gulf coast and endangering American workers? Are our government agencies able to regulate rogue major oil companies and protect us against catastrophic spills? And finally does our government have the will to protect us against irreversible catastrophic damage?

Interesting that ‘our President’ just barely got out his proposal to open up sensitive areas to off shore drilling — just in time for this ruinous oil spill.

Umm…not to be picky,but isn’t it BOBBY Jindal who’s the Gov of Louisiana-you know,the ex-exorcist?

(In actuality his REAL name is Piyush–pronounced similar to PEE YEW.)

How synchronistic.

More People Who Can Kiss My Hairy White Ass:

“The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It’s natural. It’s as natural as the ocean water is.”
–Rush Limbaugh

Yes, the ocean would be fine without having had people who drilled into the bottom of it and let all the oil out. Not. Natural.

Umm…not to be picky,but isn’t it BOBBY Jindal who’s the Gov of Louisiana-you know,the ex-exorcist?

Google “Kenneth Jindal.”

So…limousine liberals will stop using fossil fuel energy? Ride donkeys? Use push mowers? Sarah Palin is consistent about developing domestic resources: Coal, natural gas, oil (drill, baby), wind, solar, nuclear; because, despite all the caterwauling & finger-wagging, demands for energy will only increase. What “quitter”?

You gotta be shittin’ me.

I’m not sure what you get if you apply to 1% doctrine to offshore drilling or anything else. It’s a kind of madneess after all that leads to paranoia. (If there’s a chance that there might be harmful microbes on my doorknob, then I must stay inside.”

America will NOT eliminate all offshore drilling- but needs to manage it’s risks intelligently. How to do that is a pretty complicated project.

I only wish I were.

What day did he come up with this? I think Rush’s non-listeners in FL, MS and LA would like to know about this.

Gotta couple bridge dwellers stinkin’ up the threads today.

I heard him say this on radio during a long drive across Mississippi this past Thursday.

Rush also said he thought the Horizon Rig explosion was suspiciously timed. He intimated it was intentional so that people would rally around the Democrats who are against domestic drilling.

I heard him and wept.

I live on the beach in the Florida Panhandle and am in a state of shock right now. This is dominating our local news and forums. I predict this event will unfold to have more impact than 9/11 for Americans.

Yes I typed that.

Ultimately this oil, once it gets into the gulf-stream, not only the East Coast will be hit, it will be all over the North Atlantic, no part of Europe will be safe as well although at a somewhat reduced quantity of contamination.

No. No. And, No.

There is no will, for the government is owned and run by corporations who care not a whit about whatever damage they do.

They wanted tort reform; they got it. They wanted deregulation; they got it. They wanted their boys in the majority at the Supreme Court; they got it. Hell, they have both houses of Congress and the White House. What do “We the people” get? The same thing we’ve gotten ever since Reagan entered politics — the shaft.

It’s symbolic for America’s shores to become polluted, its wildlife die and its fisheries disappear. It’s what the nation is, now. We’re the world’s largest corporate-owned, debtor nation run at the pleasure of multinational corporations divvying up what’s left of the place amongst themselves.

We need to DUMP this suicidal political/economic disaster of epic proportions our Washington establishment has crafted. They’ve abandoned the Constitution completely since the Patriot Act was passed. It’s not being followed. We’re following what I can only imagine is a transitional set of rules. That is to say, I sincerely doubt the end result will be a return to the Constitution.

There are currently three sets of laws in America. Laws for the rich. Laws for the designated enemy combatant. Laws for the rest of us. How long, do we imagine, will it take before the laws for the rest of us are replaced by the laws for the designated enemy combatant?

At the moment, with the Patriot Act in full force, our government appears well along the path to a more dictatorial state. Given the imminent collapse of the world’s economies intertwined with the myriad of other problems we face globally, corporate control of America, of necessity, would choose no other course.

We have a Fed that took the bailout and used it to pump up bank profits and raise our debt exposure without any oversight whatsoever. Lip service, but an insignificant commitment to alternative energy is followed by more wooing of the corporations by expanding offshore drilling in precisely the area the BP rig’s oil will stain — up the eastern seaboard.

It’s the raping of America. “You’re with us or agin’ us” had more meaning than one, at first blush, might imagine, IMHO.

Check out this graph. Amazingly enough, people of all political persuasions from tea party to limousine liberal changed their driving habits in the face of costs and needs. For a brief lesson in participation at this site, please review this graphic.

Do you remember about what time?

Yes, this is going to be very big. I live near the coast, Gulfport, in Pinellas County. We’re already collecting cleaning supplies and people to rescue and clean sea life. Lot of angry people here. A lot.

Hmmm. Limpdick was quoted at the St. Petersburg Times site on Friday morning. He must have said it no later than Thursday, but the article doesn’t specify.

LOL! You beat me to it.

Now that I’ve posted my secret weapon (been hoarding it for several months now, sorry pups) I hope it gets used quite frequently.

I heard him say this on radio during a long drive across Mississippi this past Thursday.

Thanks for the tip.

In the last month 31 coal miners (that I know of) have lost their lives. To my knowledge the mining of coal has continued as usual. In a couple of days the corporate media will move on to the next story; probably the fake carbomb in Times Square story, and all will be forgotten except for those left to clean up the mess.

Jindal, Barbour, Perry, and Palin all have enough money to avoid any repercussions of this disaster, So, no, they don’t give a rat’s ass about some spilled oil. They’re waiting on Frank Luntz to tell them how to spin this.

I’m thinking it was early afternoon. I was driving from Jackson to Pascagoula (From HWY 20 down to 10) and surfing through available channels. There are probably talk radio schedules available for his show…

British Petroleum (BP) is an international criminal organization. BP started off by stealing the oil reserves from Iran with the help of sold-out rulers. When the democratically elected Iranian government decided to take back their own oil reserves in 1953, BP got the Brits and the CIA to overthrow the Iranian democracy and put in the vile dictator Shah, who jailed, tortured and murdered thousands of his countrymen. (The CIA went to Iran to teach the Shah’s Savak secret police how to torture).

And now we have the BP criminals talking about “beyond petroleum”… What a grotesque bunch. No more deep-water drilling for petroleum in the Atlantic Ocean, the Gulf of Mexico or the Pacific Ocean. The only “adequate safeguards” are a complete ban on any more deep-water drilling for petroleum. Someone should tell Pres. Obama: no more nuclear power plants and no more deep-water oil wells, period.

Ban BP from any new drilling anyone in the waters of the USA.

Good.

The oil company lied to the government. The government accepted their lies. Our President addressed the nation parroting verbatim the industry mantra that it can’t happen. Well, it happened. And more oil rigs? Just “on hold.”

We need more than a token effort to change to alternative energy, and we need it NOW. Purging corporate culture from Washington is absolutely necessary or this country is going to be destroyed by these cretins.

Thanks. I’ll find it and make what use of it I can.

How are the oil industries going to fight this? They learned lessons from Exxon. Like Cheney learned lessons from Nixon. Don’t get caught. 
Can we expose their fight? 
Who would fight them? 
Based on Exxon they will devevelop a team approach
PR
Legal
technical
political
econmical

PR will unleash the people to miminize or to argue about “Facts”
Legal will gear up to fight lawsuits and BP will attack Halliburton. 
Technical will be the “nobody could have predicted. ” or the “this was a 100 year perfect storm no on e is to blame ”
Political:  if the white house demands “too much”  they will start the threats.  ”well this will make the price of oil go up, you are just hurting yourself”  and this will bankrupt us. We can not pay the People if we are bankrupt,” lobbyist will offer big bucks to pols so they don’t “over react” to the spill and stop all ocean drilling. “calmer, richer” heads will prevail. 

Oh and Al Gore will be blamed by the right because he was/is involved in BP.

ecomonical  BP is smart they will bet that the price of oil will go up and make more money on the new oil price than on the cost of clean up and lawyers,PR people and lobbyist fixers. 
the finance industry threatened the destruction of the economy and they go everything they wanted.  The oil industry can say “you still want your $3 gas? Then don’t make us pay it all. You all wanted cheap oil this is part of the cost just like the 2 trillion dollar war we are fighting for our oil in the middle east. Oh and  You should have regulated us better. We can’t help ourselves! Sure we complained but you should have forced us. You didn’t try hard enough so it is really your fault.  

Really! We don’t even have to be as clever as Jon Stewart. Just use Bubba’s own sound bites.
He’s is just so not a nice person!!!

Sarcasm

Private industry is always more efficient than the government.

/sarcasm.

I should have credited you! Sorry.

I would like to see the cost of the crude added to whatever BP pays. So far as I know, the revenue from that oil belonged to the U.S. taxpayers.

Two minutes in the penalty box. *g*

No need at all. Everybody should have that little number at the ready. One quick look, the right rebuttal and POW! troll destroyed.

You know, it would be refreshing if the folks cleaning up this mess would remind themselves that Limbaugh is a champion of the industries pillaging us.

So is Palin.

So is the Bush clan.

So, apparently, is President Obama.

Can we PLEASE learn from this to follow the money? Please?

Takes some of the fun out of toyin’ with ‘em, though.

What? You think we just fell off the turnip truck?

Exactly. They spend their billions wisely – protecting their own asses.

You have turnip trucks? Wow. It’s worse than I thought.

You know what? Nobody cares about following the money anymore. Seriously. You point something like that out and nobody blinks. You want to get peoples attention you follow the sex scandel money. I’m thinking that we are more interested in how much people pay for hookers and blow than. “legitament speaking fees and advertising dollars.”

Can we PLEASE learn from this to follow the money? Please?

Happy to oblige. First the oil rig was leased from Transocean Ltd, to the tune of $450k per day. Here’s Bloomberg’s handy list of the lawsuits brought so far.

And I’ve been wondering who the banks are that handle the money. Could it be Goldman Sachs and Citigroup? They’ve issued BUY recommendations of BP to their clients.

Haven’t even gotten around to Halliburton yet, and the above was just 5 minutes with teh google.

All hail teh google.

Fishing Closed By Oil Spill: Feds Ban Commercial And Recreational Fishing From Louisiana To Florida

And I’ve been wondering who the banks are that handle the money. Could it be Goldman Sachs and Citigroup? They’ve issued BUY recommendations of BP to their clients.

While they’re shorting it

Anybody notice that the price of gas went up sharply on Friday. The environmental damage will be catastrophic but this potentially will light the fuse to another deep economic downturn as Big Oil lead by Oil Speculation drives the price of oil back up dramatically sucking what money started moving back into the economy back into Oil Company Profits.

This is the Perfect Storm.

I think President Obama’s decision to Expand Offshore Drilling will be his Presidency’s death nil. Just like his one vote against the Gulf War helped portray him as a sole opponent of a misguided war. This will be one decisive decision of a misguided administration.

How’s that Centrist Position Goin For ya Now

Hummm Are not any of you aware that this was a foreign company extracting oil from gulf? Are not American companies barred from drilling where these rigs are? The one percent doctrine you are on about refers to the duty of the American Government in protecting it’s citizens from acts against us by others.

Louisiana was where Katrina exposed once and for all for everyone the depths of evil and incompetence of the Bush 43 administration.

Wouldn’t it be fittingly ironic if Lousiana is also the place that exposes the depths of evil and incompetence of the Bush 44 adminstration?

Just wait until the oil in the Gulf Stream starts polluting Palm Beach and gets farther on up where it kills all or most of the east coast fishing industry. Chesapeake Bay? Long Island Sound. The Hamptons? Can’t wait for some of that oil and its pungent aroma to start wafting up in front of Steven Spielberg’s summer home.

Well, since BP had filed a plan for the drilling with the federal Minerals Management Service, I assume they had received permission from the federal government to drill. Probably as part of the Cheney Energy Task force.

But obviously “No one could have anticipated...

Or at least, no one at BP since they (and Halliburton) couldn’t imagine such a thing happening and plan for it.

Yeah yeah yeah. Blame Bush for everything. FYI: it is the government you really have an issue with, not just an elected employee of that government. Until you realize this, you will remain in political darkness.

No. I have problems with those who complain about how incompetent the government is, then take control of the reins of the government and set about proving their hypothesis by eviscerating the agencies and departments that had been capable of helping people previously.

All in the guise of ideological purity.

Book Salon a couple of flights upstairs with Susan Kushner Resnick’s Goodbye Wifes and Daughters hosted by Michael Whitney

So, you have issues with both parties, I guess, because they are both guilty of what you say.

Well, since Republicans have made it their mantra since St Ronnie of Ray-gunz, it probably goes more for them.

Like with FEMA, Clinton actually left Bush a functioning, competent FEMA that Bush turned over to a guy who ran horse shows. Somehow, they managed to not screw things up in Florida TOO badly in ’04.

Then came Katrina in ’05.

I believe you are confusing Republican’s with Conservative’s.

What you forget is that FEMA is a government run program, and as such, you never know what you will get when it is needed, as evidenced by Katrina. By the way, what evidence do you have that FEMA was a “well oiled machine” under Clinton? Seems to me, the government under clinton was a mite gun happy, was it not? Remember waco, ruby ridge, and gonzalez?

Not that actual facts seem to matter to you (since you have told me multiple times that you just have opinions) but Ruby Ridge actually began prior to Clinton taking office and Waco siege began a month after Clinton took office and before his people had been confirmed.

And as far as Elian, I take it then, you were comfortable with keeping the child away from his father?

Edit: And I in no way forget that FEMA is a government run organization. I just don’t think that makes it inherently evil or incompetent in operations. Unless people are purposefully trying to make it incompetent by picking incompetents to head it up and not people with years of experience in emergency management.

Almost as though party vs. party wasn’t what this site was about. Yeah, weird… /s

i stand corrected on ruby ridge. Waco, on the other hand I don’t concede your point, as it illustrates my distrust of the federal government and it’s response to circumstance’s. It cannot be trusted, in my opinion. I believe that about ALL government. It is and has never been the friend of those it governs.

As to Elian, I take issue with the gestapo way in which he was returned.

As to FEMA, I don’t believe it to be inherently evil, just as I don’t believe corporations are inherently evil. I do believe government is incompetent, corrupt, and bogged down in bureaucracy, though.

So, what would you have had the Government do since Elian’s relatives were refusing to return him to his father? Ignore the law?

I would have spent more time talking to those same relatives. The boy was not being harmed, and the family was not acting so unreasonable as to elicit such a harsh response, in my opinion.

May be you have a point if it weren’t for the international incident factor.

And as I say, there were no indications from the family of any willingness to comply.

So I guess in your world, defiance of government orders is pretty much a good thing since you hate government so much.

(and yes, I know “It’s just your opinion” (since you never do bring much in the way of facts))

Our non compassionate response should not be excused by using another countries involvement in the matter.

And I beg to disagree. They did have a lawyer, that was in communication with the Feds, at all times, during the ordeal.

I do have admit to having a soft spot for those who defy the Government, be it those in Iran, China, Russia, Cuba, or the USA.

so right on the money.

Ah shit. You’re right, of course.

Arrrgghh!!! It ain’t “centrist” to go corporate. It’s right-wing authoritarian. The velvet glove, the big grin, means less than nothing.

Wasting. Your. Time.

Ask who he voted for for Prez last 20 years. he’ll go silent.

Or, ask what sites he goes to where the people agree with him, and see if you get any answer.

I danced with him earlier to same effect.

Well if Centrist isn’t where Corporate is running right now then what is in the middle. Crist in Florida is going independent, Lieberman is an independent. I considered myself an Independent but after the Health Care Debacle I decided that I had to move further left. The far right is the Tea Party, Glenn Beck nut house. If Obama is a Corporatist and I have no reason to believe otherwise then this is the battleground and Corporatist interests will be found here trying to gather support in the upcoming elections.

My number one concern is who will be the best Presidential candidate in

This will have a bigger impact than 9/11 and Katrina combined. And twice over. That’s my guess. I live in southern Louisiana and the stench is terrible.

Like I told you before, I voted for neither parties candidates. What more do you need to know about my vote?
My reading list includes, but not limited to:Ezola Foster, Deroy Murdock, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele,Walter Williams, of course Malcolm, W.E.B Debois, The Honorable Elijah Mohammad. I listen to Jazz, mainly, but do like to listen to Elvis Costello as well. I am a member of Project 21, volunteer at various congregations, in the bay area, including Glide Church. So, what else do you need to know about me? Oh, I forgot to mention, I have also worked with Roy Innis, and his son, Niger for a number of years. Currently, I work for myself.

By the way, what losers did you vote for?

But I do find your personal questions creepy. It’s like you are going to go on some sort of witch hunt or something even more creepy. Matter of fact, your entire demeanor is creepy.

We’re going to kill ourselves dickering over labe;ls that have been distorted over the years.

I say “centrist” to mean, what’s important to regular people. I sometimes define it as People vs. Big Corporations. But it really has to rendered into specific issues that could command a majority consensus among voters.

Clean and accountable govt; repudiation of the “corporate personhood” travesty; rule of law, applicable to all; responsible fiscal and tax policy; no unnecessary foreign adventures; limiting corporate influence on elections; a deliberate declaration not to get involved in the most divisive pet issues of the left and the right.

That’s the essence, there’s room to flesh it out. The question is, could such a platform command a majority? I think yes, and worth a shot. Recall what the status quo is; would this not represent a dramatic improvement?

Wheh I see corps so deep in bed with govt, I see fascism, which is decidedly NOT centrist.

You’re anonymous here, so hiding facts about your own behavior just means you are not willing to engage in an honest dialogue, but prefer to spout off without discipline or coherence or aaccountability. Enjoy it. Personally, I think your views are reflecting ONLY your unique personal path, and thus have limited utility for a group discussion. Can you get beyond yourself?

I voted Dem in every election, not because they were great, but because in each case the Rep candidate was infinitely worse. I won’t vote Dem anymore. I want to see radical changes to the system.

I don’t engage in, nor do I encourage “group think”. I also don’t stereotype individuals or entities, as you seem to do. There is good and bad in all things. You apparently haven’t evolved enough yet to realize this basic fact of life. By the way, a group discussion is, by it’s very nature, a meeting of diverse opinions. Opinions are what one comes to believe, based on a person’s experience’s, both cerebral and practical. I don’t believe one benefits from group think.

Either/or again. there’s lots of room betw a purely self-centered perspective and group think. I don’t subscribe to either extreme, or any extreme for that matter.

And I’m not prone to stereotyping, either, but there are space and time limitations to conducting an email dialogue, so if you wish to keep it focused, you must help by being as specific as possible. Can you see that?

Actually I don’t see that. I respond to posts on threads on this site. If you will follow my posts, you will see they generally are in response to a comment made by another. I believe I am very concise with what I don’t agree with about that post. I spend my days with under-educated children. I do not spend my time posting on blogs that only reinforce my beliefs. I use to post some on Air America, until they shut down. Someone on AA mentioned this site, so I stopped by and gave it a look. What I found was a site that is, in my opinion, socialist, communist, progressive, for the most part. And what I also have found, that more than a few of those who post on this site are very familiar with Alinsky’s rule’s for radicals, which by the way, I first read in the seventies. Another thing you may care to know about me is that I listen to this “set” from Gil-Scott Heron and Brian Jackson, at least once a week. http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/gil-scott-heron-and-brian-jackson/concerts/bottom-line-august-20-1977.html

Oh, another thing, my dad was a life long communist, as was my mom, and neither one of them ever, in their life, voted for a democrat.

Well, I guess all that, along with your history that you’ve previously shared here, makes you one very strange package.

Is there any website you’ve found where the majority of participants agrees with you? What would that be, I wonder? An ex-Muslim, ex-revolutionary who now channels Clarence Thomas and Roy Innes; where does such a man find a comfortable home? It’s obviously not here. Is it anywhere, or are you just so special and unique as to be sui generis?

Also, were you as sure of your “rightness” when you were a follower of Elijah Muhammed, or when you were a follower of Malcolm X, or when you were contemplating armed revolution, as you are about everything you address here today? (Trick question, designed to make you think.)

Final point: I never read Alinsky, never felt the need, but I do know of him as being a favorite whipping boy of the Ann Coulter wing of the conservative movement, so that kind of fits in with my perception that you parrot an awful lot of stuff that those guys spout, despite none of them having experienced Elijah Muhammed, Malcolm X, or Bobby Seale. Yes, you are an enigma. Or, perhaps, less than sincere?

One other thing, I usually vote against both the republican and democratic parties. I usually vote for who ever is most likely to come in third. I have lost all respect for the dems and repubs. I would like to see a strong 3rd and 4th party replace the current #1 and 2 parties. It may sound trite, but I firmly believe that the EAGLE needs to wings to not just fly, but soar. My opinion, is that in the current moment, the EAGLE’s wings have both been clipped.

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/gil-scott-heron-and-brian-jackson/concerts/bottom-line-august-20-1977.html

Listen while I respond to your post.

If by strange you mean non conformist free thinking responsible member of the human race, I plead guilty. And yes, at all times in my life, I have had the courage of my convictions. What you don’t understand, is that I have not “turned my back” on any of those convictions. I have kept that which was useful, while discarding that which was not. It’s called “gaining experience and perspective”. And see, I don’t discriminate against people’s beliefs, as you seem to have me do, in that I can both relate to the words of Malcolm, just as much as those coming from the pen of Thomas. Both, in my opinion, are a credit to my community. I see nothing strange about being able to “hold” two conflicting viewpoints in esteem, while arguing a third.

As to Alinsky, it really doesn’t matter if you have read him or not. It is his “tactics” that are in play, at the moment, in our countries political discourse. Who was it that said: Know Your Enemy and you will win half of your battle, know yourself and you will win the other half?

And yes, I have lived a long and experienced life. Do you hold that against me?

I just went to the link. You don’t have to pay to listen. Just sign in. It’s Bill Graham’s website.