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The opposition to the California marijuana legalization measure has a new website, called Public Safety First.
It would more appropriately be called the Prison Industrial Complex Profit Protection Racket, because they are the same outfit who organized against California’s Prop 5, the Nonviolent Offender Rehabilitation Act of 2008. The deceptive advertising that brought that measure down was financed to the tune of almost $2 million by the Prison Guard’s union, who were afraid that passage would negatively impact their business.
If Public Safety First wants to have a conversation about safety, let’s have one. Here’s what LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, has to say about the impact that the “war on drugs” has had on safety:
During nearly four decades the U.S. has fueled its policy of a war on drugs with over a trillion tax dollars and increasingly punitive policies. We have made more than 39 million arrests for nonviolent drug offenses. Our incarcerated population quadrupled over a 20-year period making building prisons this nation’s fastest growing industry. More than 2.3 million of our citizens are currently in prison or jail far more per capita than any country in the world. The United States has 4.6 percent of the population of the world but 22.5 percent of the worlds prisoners. Every year we choose to continue this war will cost the United States another 70 billion dollars. Despite all the lives we have destroyed and all the money so ill spent, today illicit drugs are cheaper, more potent, and much easier to access than they were 39 years ago at the beginning of the war on drugs. Meanwhile, people continue dying in our streets while drug barons and terrorists continue to grow richer than ever before.
Not one of the stated U.S. drug policy goals of lessening the incidents of crime, drug addiction, and juvenile drug use, while stemming the flow of illegal drugs into this country, has been achieved. Fighting a war on drugs has magnified our problems many fold creating a self-perpetuating, ever-expanding policy of destruction but the U.S. still insists on continuing the war and pressuring other governments to perpetuate these same unworkable policies. This scenario is the very definition of a failed public policy. This madness must cease!
With this in mind, current and former members of law enforcement have created a drug-policy-reform group called LEAP. The membership of LEAP believe that to save lives and lower the rates of disease, crime and addiction, as well as to conserve tax dollars, we must end drug prohibition. LEAP believes a system of regulation and control is far more effective than one of prohibition.
The average California prison guard makes over $100,000 a year with overtime, and the drug war makes sure incarceration rates stay high and business is good. It’s hard to imagine what makes prison guards any more or less “safe” when people are thrown in jail for smoking or growing pot — but money flowing through an illegal system to international drug cartels unquestionably puts guns in the hands of violent offenders, enriching those cartels and putting the lives of law enforcement officers at more risk.
If Public Safety First wants to enter the debate about legalization, they should “first” stop demagoguing “safety” and get honest about where their money is coming from — those who make big bucks off the overflowing prison industrial complex.



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The guards are arguably the strongest lobby in Cali, and no pun intended, they take no prisoners.
I for one would like to see them a bit more needful.
But think about the employment consequences. Isn’t this just a Keynesian scheme? Keeps the labor force down & provides employment for construction workers building prisons & prison guards working in them. /s
If God had wanted people to get high, He would have created marijuana. Take it from a guy who remembers when “Virtual Reality” came in sugar cubes.
Hi Jane!
If only you could squeeze THAT one into 5 words…
I am so stupid.
One of the mottos should be half visual; the international “No” symbol across the words “Comfortably Dumb” and you know what the song is….
The “war on drugs” used to be pols’ favorite straw man, since those opposed to it tended not to vote, unlike issues such as reproductive choice where any position they took would alienate voters.
On a different note, I wonder if those meddlesome LDS theocrats will involve themselves in yet another California ballot initiative?
So many choices.
If the guards are first, then the CA Nurses are second. They may not lobby as much on the inside, but they are a serious force on the outside in Sacramento.
And they endorsed the legal use of medical marijuana.
I wouldn’t say “so” :-P
Hi!
Hi AT!
I trust your bona fides on the issue completely.
Hi, hi, hi, Mr. Deltoid! (Parole over, Beethoven.)
Can I tell you, I just lurves you to pieces?
OK, so lemme ask. We get a campaign name. Then what?
I bow to the mistress on strategy as well as tactics, but I’m just asking, if there’s a tidbit you’d reveal now I’d love to hear it.
*grabs wineglass, waits!*
How about six? Tune in,Turn on,drop out. Or somthing like that. It’s been a long long time.
How about … Even Better Than Sugar³
Organization of Marijuana Producers Exporters and Consumers.
OMPEC
You are Awful, yet somehow I love/like you.
ROFL !!!
Sweet!
One of the best descriptions I’ve heard of the CA situation has to do with competing markets — the prison guards are protecting the prison industrial complex market by keeping incarceration rates high. While Richard Lee/Oaksterdam et. al. are trying to create a market for marijuana.
One protects its profits by sucking the maximum amount of money from the tax base, while the other enfranchises the largest cash crop in the country into the tax base. One exists at the expense of the other.
Ahh, but it’s only the Prison Industrial Complex that’s actually capturing rents, n’est ce-pas?
Saw that movie the first time in a U of I film class. I wasn’t a student but they didn’t check I.D.s. Probably haven’t watched it in it’s entirety in 20 years. Overdue for another rental, I think.
I’d give anything to own a replica of Alex’ Jesus chorus line sculpture.
Sounds like a win-win to me.
Seriously, I am sooo tired of the rank stupidity of public discussion on just about every topic these days. Which is why so many of my comments are snark. It is difficult to respond to garbage with serious analysis. Forget evidence.
I despair.
We’re still evaluating where we think we can provide the most help. There doesn’t seem to be any shortage of opportunities. But we’ll be launching a campaign resource page when we announce the winner.
I think the prison guard people need to smoke a big fatty.
Aww, come on, eCAHN.
You got the brains, and isn’t the bottom of the market, brains or not, a time to make a play, stake some ground?
Fercryingoutloud, I remember you from ’99 as well as the douchebag at Mellon that I was dealing with. You got game, sistah.
Which is why so many of my comments are snark.
Well as long as the Gopers keep chumming the snark tank…
Has anyone submitted this one yet?
I love it.
Meanwhile, I’m up for the duration. I was dozing off on the couch in the upstairs parlor watching TDS. My cat comes roaring up the steps, racing around the room, then crouches by the couch & refuses to move. So I get up to see what’s going on. It takes awhile, but sure enough the mouse escapes and races into the bookshelves, closely followed by the cat. Now I’ve lost track of where they’ve gone but am fully awake and will wait for the outcome.
Like a lot of good ideas, it most likely won’t work as well as planned. Moonshiners and Revenoors come to mind.
Edit: I just couldn’t get my Lil’ Abner spelling going.
They do, they simply don’t want to reduce the inmate population. Bad for business, doncha know.
Brains are an impediment under current circumstances; they make you think you’re crazy because you see the world so differently from the common environment you live in.
Hmm, so I’ll be clutching that damn wineglass for a bit.
Anybody ever tell you that you should go into politics? *smiling*
Damn good answer. Just thought I’d try to pry.
*shit, my market making synthetic WEED CDO just FAILED!*
Padre!
Fercryingoutloud, SaturdayElephantRide as my witness, I was JUST thinking about you!
And then there’s this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMijMWQlnUc
Certainly a continuity of theme there, as all graduates of PFU know.
LOL! OMG, so good to see you here.
Mahout!
Rog is such a cheery soul. 26 years since I saw him on the Pros and Cons tour. Dang I feel old.
Jane may have already addressed this in earlier posts on the subject, but just in case – removing the incentive for illegal dealings in drugs would also go a long way to restoring peace in Mexico, and allowing Mexicans to stay home and build their own society. The northern border area would not be in such a terrible state without the US market driving the supply and competition to supply drugs, but especially marijuana.
Mouse seems to have escaped for now, but I am wide awake.
You need GS as an underwriter/market maker. Then it will surely work.
Taxpayer cost: $40,000.00 a year per inmate! If you a nasty mean person you qualify to be on either side of the bars and survive. Ugly
We had a prison break out near hear early this morning. I was talking to a co worker who said, I’ll bet it was an inside job. You know how all those correction officers are. Yep.
Oh! Good evening, all.
This kind of thread always gets me jonesing a little.
A bit of an inside joke. We had yards of blogposts about Pink Floyd University.
But make SadButTrue tell you the truth about the Elephant Ride…
What is the biggest drug coming in from Mexico, mj or cocaine?
I found a dead baby possum in the yard this morning. Ah, Spring.
It’s a large chunk of revenue but the cartels won’t go away if marijuana becomes legal. Repealing alcohol prohibition didn’t drive the bootleggers out of business, they simply became more diversified.
Hi, eCAHN! Well, I claim no expertise – but what we hear about most is certainly mj. To give you a real answer, I’d have to do some research. My gut feeling right now is marijuana leads, but that’s just my gut.
Btw, how’s the cat vs. mouse thing going? Or are you saving the story for Caturday? At least you’re awake, lol.
on edit – oops, missed the update.
No, I know, it’s too late for that. But it would surely reduce the incentives. Some might even become legitimate businessmen. Srsly.
Cat’s wandering around aimlessly, meaning mouse escaped. But it’s probably still in the house (got closed off rooms with space enough under the doors for a mouse. Cat is taking out her frustration on a ping pong ball now. There will be another chapter or two tonight.
I hope you are wrong. I want my forests back.
One of my nieces served briefly as super of a couple of schools district in NoCal in the 90s. Local economy is/was mj. She couldn’t cope, so came back to NYC. So much disruption.
Seems like I’ve heard since the ingredients have become more difficult to obtain in the U.S. most of the meth originates there as well.
Back when President Nancy launched her war on drugs the Coast Guard and border interdiction efforts were bolstered with the result that the pot supply switched from comparatively inexpensive imports to a high priced domestic crop. The foreign traffickers focused primarily on less bulky products like cocaine that were easier to smuggle There is still a large domestic pot supply but once the public grew accustomed to paying ten times as much for their stash the foreign marketeers were bound to jump back in the pool.
Many already have legitimate investments, just as some bankers and other business concerns in this country play both sides of the field.
Our loss, your gain.
Don’t you love the sound of a ping pong ball being batted on a hard wood floor?
Since it’s absolutely on topic, the inside joke between Kelly and myself (leading to each of us calling the other Mahout) stems from a frivolous blog post I wrote a couple of years ago.
Saturday Silly Scenario
Since then ‘taking an elephant ride’ has become code for sparking a fatty, and if you don’t know, a mahout is a professional elephant rider/trainer in India. Come to think of it it’s been a while since I’ve had so much as a good curry.
OT.
Got married on Christmas Eve and moved from NYC to Buffalo. After all the time I spent performing in the Subway, I finally got YouTubed about a week before I retired.
They wouldn’t go away but they’ll go into something else. When growing weed is legal there will be no incentive to plant it in state parks.
I will sell you my seester, mister.
“High Five”!
Egad, that picture made my mouth water (what can I say, I’m a sucker for elephants). The pot was nice too. :)
Reminds me of a song by David Allan Coe which I will not be repeating here.
Hey, congrats AT! That’s great. How are you enjoying Buffalo? It’s where I grew up.
Yeah, cats & ping pong balls are a lot of fun.
Nice, the tile makes for good echoey acoustics. The P.A. accompaniment is an acquired taste…
*wildly, synchronicity ensues. I answered the phone and it was Gregory Lyons on the other end*
I’m evidently experiencing unruly blogness…
More than hound dogs and dead baby possums? Really?
I don’t need a snark tag, do I?
There needs to be a fact check on this issue. The Correctional Officer’s union is not part of this committee’s (Public Safety First) efforts in this matter. Actually if you check, you will find that there is a tie to a rather high profile Bay area figure that is backing this measure. So again you might wanna check your facts.
But this does seem to have generated some conversation, so let’s see if this is really about the truth?!
Well, I’ll be serendipitied.
Going to call it a night, splendid evening to y’all.
I must admit that I am a little disappointed at
the selection of campaign slogans on the list.
With due respect, most are not serious at all
and the majority of the rest are not engaging
in a vision that would include the non using
public and the unimformed. As a medical grower
and one of the 39 million nonviolent convicted,
I would submit that simple and direct is effective
and most understood like:
Legalize Marijuana: Freedom of Choice Campaign!
I am an environmental progressive and I support Firedoglake.
PaKinger
My previous marriage lasted 26 wonderful years, and I’ve now been blessed with a wonderful new life with a wonderful woman and her 4 children. The winter has ended and I’m just beginning to find my way around. Nice place, Buffalo.
Well, not sure how I can respond to that.
Adieu.
That station is 2 blocks south of Ground Zero. I had many great times there.
You don’t have to. I prefer your scenario, frankly.
I’m so happy for you! Many blessings.
A hah! And if I’m not mistaken, that was an Ovation guitar you were playing?
You came to a meetup right after your wife passed. It was so nice to meet you. You spoke about your wife so fondly. I am glad that you have met & married another wonderful woman.
Where are you living in Buffalo. I left in 62 but have friends there still & will return for my 50th HS reunion (big public school) in 2012. Preps are underway.
Nite, rat
Me too. *g*
Need a bigger hat, Kellikins?
Hi hon.
Anyone who plays a roundback automatically goes to Heaven.
Night rf.
LOL!
edit: that was @ demi 82
I actually live in a place called West Seneca. South Buffalo is nearby.
Blessings on your courageous soul. Life does finally move forward doesn’t it?
I lived in North Buffalo, and most of my friends who still live there are in suburbs north of the city. But I know where West Seneca is.
I didn’t say otherwise.
But sounded like you had steel strings instead of nylon. Just saying.
*grin*
Knew that.
Do B3er’s wives get a free pass to heaven too, do you think? I’m the one who dusts the thing.
Thank you so much. It’s not easy being the happiest man on Earth, but someone has to do it.
g’night FDLers. Nice ‘seeing’ you Kelly.
Oh yeah. Particularly if the knobs draw clean… /s
Good to see you here too, SBT.
Love remains and moves on …
For you: Something sentimental.
Congratulations, AT. So happy to hear things are working out for you.
G’night, SBT. Don’t be a stranger.
SBT is a keeper, on the Jim White level.
His previous coverage on Omar Khadr is precise and exquisite. I’ll badger him to post at the Seminal. Because he should.
You made me LOL. Sooo happy for you. Give your new family love from us all.
Kelly, I was just telling my Chris about this conversation and he asked me, Well, what kind of guitar was it? I said I dunno. I could go back and see what Kelly said. It had a rounded back, apparently. He said, Oh, that’s an Ovation. I would love to visit you guys if we ever travel to Colorado, but I’m afraid you and my Chris would talk music and instruments all night. Your Chris and I would have to go out to dinner. :)
Thanks Jane.
My experiments on music and the human electromagnetic field are proceeding nicely. I’m looking forward to hopefully completing them this year.
Good to be back at the Lake. Good night all.
Thanks, demi. that was beautiful.
Peaceful and smiling dreams tonight to you and yours.
Night AT. Great to get the update.
And that would be bad, how? LOL!
And where is that damned Larue when I need him! Nowhere to be found!
Anyhow, guitarists are a love. When you’re working in a band you can follow the rhythm guitar guy on the chords. The moves are a bit telegraphed.
My understanding is that almost every person illegally crossing the border with the Coyotes also carries several kilos of Marijuana as part of the “fare”. The drugs have to cross somehow and those desperate enough to seek jobs in the North are the “mules”. So even here cutting the MJ trade will impact the demand for those running the Coyote operations.
And one more immigration/law-enforcement related issue. Many of those hired to cultivate and protect the illicit fields are undocumented workers from Latin America. They are cheap, don’t want to go into towns where they are at risk of arrest, and willing to spend time in pretty poor field conditions. Legalizing marijuana brings this underground aspect into the open and really could allow more “worker friendly” conditions for US Citizens. It would also get the production off public lands.
Tune in, turn on, vote!
Yes, the Prison Industrial Complex whose function is: “domesticating humans!” Well as Karl Marx explained it, the basis of capitalism is the exploitation of man by man and as Thorstein Veblen enhanced the thought, “by force and fraud.” There is a consistency between Wall Street depredations and the PIC, both are advanced forms of capitalist enterprise; what more horrors do we and our posterity have to look forward to?
Catherine Austin Fitts @dunwalke.com exposes the circular connection of drug money laundering the PIC and and Wall Street. The legilazition movement is fighting much more powerful forces than the prison guards.
The industrial hemp movement is facing similar resistance from other vested interests.