A draconian “immigration” law was written and pushed by a bunch of white bigots. Who could have anticipated?

Grijalva will be guest on democracynow this morning.

Too bad I don’t get anything from Arizona. Me loves a good boycott.

A spreading call for an economic boycott of Arizona …

… and don’t forget USAirways, which is based in Phoenix.

Here is a place to start.List_of_Arizona_companies

I kinda like the idea of sending “defications” to the gummint of AZ

I envy Teddy living in Cisco.

Yeah, me too. I can’t boycott AZ because I never buy anything from there or go there.

If the governor doesn’t know what an illegal immigrant looks like, how are the cops going to figure it out?

Will they be hiring more cops to handle the addtional work of stopping everybody who looks funny?

AH! Not PF Changs.

ooo, Fender Musical Instruments. Musicians could send a powerful message by boycotting them.

I believe that a number of food products in our northern supermarkets are from AZ, those that are not from Mexico that is.

Well, she did say there were people who knew what an “illegal” immigrant looked like. Mayhaps those people could set up a training program for the rest of us. Illegal lookin’ hair, shoes?

Eugene Robinson says it best.

Aha, my favourite place to dislike, PetSmart. Gonna hafta check out PetMart again, which is a locally owned pet supply place.

Hmmm. I’m going to the supermarket today to buy some bits & pieces for Mexican food. I think I’ll talk to the manager to see if I can get them to label the products that come from AZ so their customers can be informed. Don’t think I’ll succeed, but will bill it as creating ‘good will’ with their customer base because of how strongly some feel about the new law.

Back in the late ’90s, my son, newly graduated from college, went west to Aspen, Colo. to learn the carpenter’s trade. He worked for several firms, and was able to learn the fine points of timber frame construction and finish carpentry and to hone the cabinetmaking skills he learned in high school shop class from artisans from Austria, Germany, and Italy. He also worked with guys from New Zealand and Australia, Canada, and Ireland who worked construction during summer weekdays, played Rugby and drank truly amazing quantities of ale all weekend, and skied all winter. There were also a lot of Mexican laborers on the job sites where he worked. None of the above were in the country legally; he and his buddy from high school were usually the only two legal U.S. residents on any construction crew. I imagine ski areas around Flagstaff are similar.

So how some Arizona cop is going to be able to figure out who is an illegal immigrant seems a conundrum to me. Looks like just assuming white folks are legal won’t work. All those Aussies and Kiwis looked pretty darned American, except for all the bruises and contusions from rugby. Of course, I didn’t check their shoes. And come to think of it, maybe the rugby shirts would be a dead giveaway.

But it looks to me like the only thing to do for sure will be to, as that eminently practical Catholic bishop once decided during a protestant massacre, arrest them all and let the courts sort them out. Should make life interesting for everyone down there. We enjoyed our vacation there a year ago, and had planned to go back. Now not.

If the governor doesn’t know what an illegal immigrant looks like, how are the cops going to figure it out?

Well, they could ask to see a drivers license or SS card or passport some other form of ID.

How are they going to know citizens from non-citizens, you ask? Easy!

Just require implanting an RF-readable microchip in all citizens. Then the cops can scan the streets with a ‘chip-detector, and whoever doesn’t return a “ping” is a non-citizen.

I’m sure the christo-fundies will all line up behind the plan, you betcha.

Damn. TASER International is on the list.
And I always wanted one.

I just hope someone in AZ has been handing out registrations for voting to all those eligible.

U-Haul. Well, I ain’t going anywhere so that one’s a wash.

We had a “run in” with PetSmart some time ago and have not returned. We have a Pet Connection near us that employs very nice and helpful people…unlike the rude devils at PetSmart.

I already check with my supermarket to find the Israeli products so as to boycott them, asking about AZ products is just one more step…nothing is easy it seems.

I understand the Arizona law allows state and local authorities to enforce federal immigration laws that the feds don’t enforce. Why don’t the Democrats in congress just pass new federal laws to let anyone in the country. Then there wouldn’t be any laws to enforce, and there wouldn’t be any illegal immigrants.

Problem solved.

played Rugby and drank truly amazing quantities of ale all weekend,

Did he play for the Ba Bas? Damn good team and LOTS of fun back in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

Perhaps old fashioned religious methods will sort it out. Dunk ‘em in a water tank. If they drown, they’re legal. If they don’t, put ‘em in jail for being illegal.

Good Morning Blue Texan and firedogs

well count me among those who suspect this is all about November and to intimidate a certain voting bloc from showing up at the polls all together – their whole “voter fraud !” flim flam writ large

This is going to hurt sombrero and donkey sales.

I only use PetSmart cuz PetMart couldn’t keep the dry food I was using in stock and I couldn’t be changing food every time I turned around. It has new owners and I’ll go there during lunch today.

I buy pretty much everything to eat at my natural foods store but I do get milk, bread, cookies and spring water by the gallon at SweetBay. Been thinkin’ about changing my route on Fridays and going to Winn Dixie cuz SB stopped carrying the best whole wheat bread.

Micro-chips are not required.

Arizona’s law orders immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times and requires police to question people if there’s reason to suspect they’re in the United States illegally.

There’s no doubt intimidation was one of the goals of the bill but I think in November AZ is in for a surprise. Judging from the actions so far I don’t think the legal Hispanic population is gonna be scared away from the polls.

That was my thought too. If intimidation is the goal, it could backfire, judging by the early reaction.

Good ideas! Email Costco.

Interesting thought. It will get the voters out, though.

And you know the state is gonna be flooded with those dfh activists stirrin’ shit up prior to November. *g*

“…for being illegal.”

Or a duck.

Hispanic vote

The Pew Hispanic Center today released fact sheets on the demographics of eligible Hispanic voters in eight states that will be holding primaries or caucuses on “Super Tuesday” and that have a relatively high concentration of Latino voters: Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico and New York. Each state fact sheet contains data on size and social and economic characteristics of the Hispanic and non-Hispanic eligible voter populations. These fact sheets are based on the Center’s tabulations of the Census Bureau’s 2006 American Community Survey.

Arizona
Arizona’s Hispanic population is the sixth-largest in the nation. Nearly 1.8 million Hispanics reside in Arizona, 4% of all Hispanics in the United States. There are 673,000 eligible Hispanic voters in Arizona, 4% of all U.S. Hispanic eligible voters.

There’s no doubt intimidation was one of the goals of the bill but I think in November AZ is in for a surprise. Judging from the actions so far I don’t think the legal Hispanic population is gonna be scared away from the polls.

Why would the legal Hispanic population want job competition from illegals from any country?

You do all realize that this is a test, right?
If not, peruse this tidbit:

McCain Proposes Indefinite Detention Without Trial for Citizens

This bill has received zero zip nada bupkas attention from everywhere; right left, center. And just looky who is pushing it quietly thru Congress! My, my!

Grijalva’s up on democracynow.

Grijalva supports targeted sanctions on AZ. No conferences there, for example.

Well, no method is foolproof.

Bloody hell.

I’m sure they’ve got people in Arizona that know what someone who isn’t white looks like, which is what this is.

I too wish that I got anything from Arizona, so that I could NOT get things from Arizona.

Grijalva had to close some offices owing to death threats.

How do you tell an legal duck from a quack duck?

I’ve heard that from reichwing pundits for years and have yet to see any facts that substantiate it.

All the measures that start out applying abroad or to noncitizens gravitate to everyone. The slope isn’t even just slippery, it’s a plunge.

+1, Rama.

This needs big press. This is legislating censorship. This is the most un-American, un-patriotic legislation suggestion I have ever read. This needs to be made into a post and Rachel needs to pick this up.

This is sick.

This means “bloggers” critical of their government could be arrested.

The foundation of free speech in the US — being able to speak critically of our government and not be arrested, is being attacked.

Man, Putin is doing a snoopy dance with McCain’s grand idea.

The thing that blows my mind is that NO ONE has caught onto this.
Note the silence of the Democrats………They want this BAD

“How do you tell…”

Well, if it floats, it’s a duck. Or, come to think of it a DUKW. They both float, so guess we’re back to the “Kill them all; God will know his own” solution.

Of course the Ds want it. More control over the great unwashed.

They must use special sunglasses

I don’t disagree with you wrt to the response and it backfiring – just think it was proposed and executed with voter intimidation in mind – by short sighted racist nitwits who never ever think of ramifications/consequences

What it is is the final straw in the final solution for America…that’s why they’ve being so quiet about it.
Somebody ( can’t remember who) came close to this a couple weeks ago, but didn’t hit the target.
I just happened to be paying close attention one day and saw it slip past on Google.

McCain Proposes Indefinite Detention Without Trial for Citizens

It’s been discussed here at FDL. All of Yoo and Bybee’s protege are patiently waiting there turn at legal perversion, prostitution and classification. There are at least 101 ways of classifying a US Citizen as an enemy belligerent.

In a nutshell, the US will be in a perpetual state of Marshall Law with Totalitarian rule. (since the detention period lasts until the ‘hostilities’ cease)

(in actuality I think they’re attempting to give Holder cover for those that are in detention centers that cannot be released and will not be tried – i.e. any that have or will experience torture)

Not just the Dems…The Corporation

NYT editorial says dems ought to push both immigration reform and climate change simultaneously!

What’s Rachel’s email address?

Well, you know, in times of endless war……….

beats me

Please tell me the Energizer Bunny is going to drum across the screen. This is so surreal.

This beyond all comprehension.

That could be. Nobody ever said these bozos had functioning gray cells.

Jesus. Why is this the first I’ve heard of this??

Cosponsors of the bill include Democrat/independent Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut and Republicans Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, David Vitter of Louisiana, George LeMieux of Florida, and Roger Wicker of Mississippi. Those cosponsoring this outright attack on the Bill of Rights are those same Republican neo-conservatives who have dominated the GOP for the last decade or more.

Scott Brown’s a goner.

New post up top…

I think it is:

Rachel@msnbc.com

keep meaning to go and read the AZ bill, or a reliable source’s take on it – just wondering if poll workers will be allowed to ask for proof of citizenship – upthread I mentioned Voter Fraud, but they loves ‘em some Voter ID law as well

Actually the trick is that if there isn’t a companion bill in the House this pos is goin’ nowhere.

I like this bit from the piece:

Cosponsors of the bill include Democrat/independent Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut and Republicans Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, David Vitter of Louisiana, George LeMieux of Florida, and Roger Wicker of Mississippi. Those cosponsoring this outright attack on the Bill of Rights are those same Republican neo-conservatives who have dominated the GOP for the last decade or more. Conservative constitutionalists need to reassert control of the Republican Party and purge this cancer from the party and the U.S. Senate, if they wish to retain their freedoms.

My bold. Short Ride is such a worthless human being.

It’s probably on her website. I bet she’d be interested….but you never know how far this is being repressed. She may not be able to do anything about it.

I hope yer right…..they sure are being tricksy with the Constitution these days.

You weren’t on some of the threads I’ve been posting it on sporadically for the last couple of months.
Believe me, there wasn’t much online either.

I facebooked it with a h/t, and I’m going to tweet. (Only my daughters read my tweets, though!!!

The initial drafts of the Senate immigration bill provide for a secure national ID card that must be carried at all times and shown as proof of employment authorization before commencing any employment, so the microchip concept is not far off. Lawful permanent residents (“green card” holders) are already required by the immigration laws to carry their green cards on their persons at all times (though many carry photocopies so they won’t lose the original card) but nonimmigrants may or may not be employment authorized, and yet still be in the country legally, and may or may not have an employment authorization document. Some are authorized for employment with a particular petitioning employer, but they don’t carry a specific employment authorization document. This new law cannot be enforced without racial profiling, and I marvel at the ill-informed and misguided rationalizations for state intrusions into a federal area of law enforcement. While immigration advocates were hoping for a break from Obama, the removals are increasing under this administration to an average of about a thousand a day. Fewer undocumented aliens are crossing into the U.S., and the numbers of undocumented have been declining for the past few years, so I don’t know where all of this nativist panic about uncontrolled borders and ignored immigration enforcement is coming from, other than being yanked forcibly from ones lower intestinal track.

Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

US KIA Irak: 4,393

US KIA Afghanistan: 1,050

Iraki and Afghan casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M

US MBS 2010: 14,484 and counting

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.

Namaste

I wonder what the ACLU has to say about it?

This is one for Quakers to be aware of ASAP.

I’m gonna see how many groups I can send this to while I’m at work.

Great idea.

I just posted the link over at EW’s.

LOL

This might help the AZ law enforcers identify who is *illegal* or not – in the spirit of Spartacus.

While I disagree with your boycott, your boycott sensibilities may have to be broadened if you really want to avoid Israeli produce, as the Israeli’s are helping many other countries learn their agricultural methods for growing crops in dry climates.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE63P10W.htm

Why would you think that jobs would be a primary consideration in the context you describe? Don’t you think that there would be a reasonable presumption that the following might occur:

Citizens of hispanic ethnicity might believe that they will get picked up in this wide net?
Citizens of hispanic ethnicity might have relatives (whether citizens, green card holders or illegal immigrants) who will get picked up in this wide net?
Citizens of hispanic ethnicity might hold views exactly the same as this upper middle class male WASP: that this is an atrocious violation of the letter and spirit of our Constitution and national mythology of an open and free society?

I can say quite honestly that if a cop asked me for my ID in any situation in which I was not driving a car, I would tell him “No”. In all likelihood, I would be thrown in jail.

All things equal, I’d prefer not going to jail. It would appear that your solution is to assume that this will never happen and if it does then to shut up and bend over. My solution would be to seek repeal of authoritarian laws such as this. They’re really not much different from the fugitive slave laws of the early 19th century.

Brilliant point about illegal immigrants from Europe. And I suspect skiing in CO this winter will be mellow.

Of course the Ds want it. More control over the great unwashed.

Yep. Totally. And, why wouldn’t they. This is great, and it looks like it will be easy! This will be the biggest bill of the year!!

Well, they could ask to see a drivers license or SS card or passport some other form of ID.

Absolutely wrong!

Stopping a person on the street and asking them to show their papers is seizure and a violation of the Fourth Amendment, unless a police officer has a reasonable suspicion that the person is committing a crime.

A reasonable suspicion is a suspicion that is objectively supported by sufficient facts that would cause a reasonable person to suspect that the person is committing a crime. Race, and therefore racial profiling, is not sufficient to support a reasonable suspicion.

Requiring someone to prove their citizenship also violates the Fifth Amendment and the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Arizona statute is unconstitutional and nothing will save it.

Shame on the racist Governor and the racist legislators who voted for this disgusting xenophobic law.

Wait till many of the Native Americans in Arizona start getting stopped more than usual and they start bringing lawsuits. I don’t think the local police depatments will appreciate that very much. At least on the reservation lands this law doesn’t count for shit unless you are stopped on a state highway by state troopers. The Feds will ignore it too.

The Department of Public Safety has gotten whacked in lawsuits in the past for racial profiling in drug stops they have done in northern Arizona. Studies have shown they profiled.

The level of ignorance of people is crazy. Cops will not be able to randomly select people to ask for proof of citizenship. They must make legal contact first ergo someone would have to break a law in order for the cops to ask for proof of residency. Is it really draconian and a violation of the constitution to attempt to protect the rights of citizens. Please take a second to reread the previous sentence.

Furthermore, I think that it is traitorous for individuals and groups to promote the civil and constitutional rights of non-citizens over those of citizens. This includes people like Al Sharpton, Rev Jesse Jackson, President Obama and groups like the ACLU.

I know you are going to call me a crazy nazi nutbag but I really don’t care. The simple fact is that I value the sanctity of American rights and privileges for American citizens and do not think that it should extend to those that illegally cross a line a in the sand. Those that support the illegal aliens are traitors.

Furthermore, it is federal law that requires you to submit proof of legal residency when you apply for a job and if a company does hire someone that is illegal they face a fine of $10,000 per day. Is that unconstitutional?? I think not.

Have a good day.

They don’t, they’re just as fed up with the illegals as anybody else. That is the big surprise coming voting day :)

Agreed completely. But the ease of manipulation of the majority of the “liberal” community is astounding isn’t it?

And how often are those employer provisions used against the employers? Compared to how often the employers using undocumented immigrants get to skate on all charges?

Until the Feds show a willingness across the board in enforcing the provision against employers, ain’t nothin’ happenin’.

Cops will not be able to randomly select people to ask for proof of citizenship. They must make legal contact first ergo someone would have to break a law in order for the cops to ask for proof of residency.

That is not true. I have read the law. The law states that the police may stop any person on “reasonable suspicion” that the person is an undocumented immigrant, and demand proof of immigration status. If you do not have it, for instance if you are a citizen of the United States, you will be arrested and imprisoned until your status can be proved. The people most in danger of being unjustly arrested are citizens.

This Arizonan says Boycott.

A law written by a white supremacist and sponsored by a white supremacist is signed into law by a sitting Republican Governor, two sitting Republican US Senators (one is running for re-election and all but endorsed its passage)say and do nothing to prevent a white supremacist sponsored and authored law enacted in the State they represent in the US Senate. How do you like 1859? Do you really expect the US Supreme Court to do anything about it? Yet some progressives threaten…some who post on this blog tell us they plan to sit out the 2010 mid terms. Yes, thats a terrific idea lets do that so we can enable the likes of those who are behind this bill to influence the next couple of Congresses. I am sure we all will certainly appreciate the result.

A prior violation of the law was required under Sec. 287 (g), but this new law gives law enforcement a fishing license. “Reasonable suspicion” of being unlawfully present is the trigger in and of itself for a law enforcement stop. Lawful permanent residents (“green card holders”) are NOT required to speak, read, or write the English language (unless they received their green card through the legalization program of the mid-80s, and even that was a pretty limited requirement). A rudimentary knowledge of English is required for naturalization. Accordingly, looking Hispanic and speaking Spanish are not really indicators of unlawful presence. That new Arizona law is a major change in the existing law.

Thanks for that good point; you beat me to it.

It may look to some as if we lefties are just playing our violins and singing kumbayah with “illegals” for no real reason other than that we’re libruls… dreaded libruls.

But it’s not quite so simple. AZ, in particular, had a huge housing boom (along with many other places) in the recent bubble, and tons of illegals were encouraged to come over the border to work for low wages to help build plenty of structures…. to the financial benefit of most US citizens, esp the construction company owners. And now “suddenly” when the bust has occurred and everyone’s finances are for %$#@, the great focus is on the undocumented aliens who are “ruining” AZ’s economy and “ripping off” the good (white) citizens unmercifully.

We get this clap-trap in CA all the time, too. There is almost NO holding the business owners accountable for hiring illegals at low wages – NONE. It’s like prostitution, where the prostitute is busted but the “John” goes free and clear. Same exact thing.

For some more graphic info, watch the documentary “Food, Inc” which highlights how the meat processing industry actually travels to Mexico and Central America to RECRUIT illegal aliens to come work in meat processing plants in places like Arkansas and North Carolina (if memory serves). But when Immigration comes around, it’s the illegals who get busted and shipped back to wherever… and the meat plant owners don’t even get the slightest tap on the wrist.

The whole system, per usual, is set up in favor of the business owners, while the serfs get all the blame and all the misery and all the hassle.

One can make an argument about illegal aliens “taking away jobs” from (white) US citizens, but then, please apply your anger and righteous indignation EQUALLY to the business owners and corporations who KNOWINGLY hire undocumented aliens. Just doesn’t happen.

And yes, another earlier comment points to other undocumented aliens from Europe, Australia and New Zealand, who also (at least in the past) come up here and work “illegally.” But those folks won’t be racially profiled and most likely won’t get stopped by the AZ police… because they look like “us” (i.e., white European-descent “real” ‘merkins).

Pardon my cynicism… but them’s the facts. This AZ law stinks like last week’s fish; it’s bull twaddle. Wake me when AZ cracks down on the real law breakers: the business owners and corporations who KNOWINGLY hire illegals to work for paltry wages, which results in vast financial benefit for the wealthy.

Boycott it is. This is how polite societies work – they shun those who…disappoint.

Hope people post information about this on blogs overseas. Arizona is a big international travel spot. Many fly into AZ to go to the Grand Canyon.

Imagine an international visitor getting arrested while on vacation? Imagine an exchange student getting arrested.

Just one arrest of persons here under such status and it will kill the travel and exchange industries in AZ.

If I was another nation’s state department, I would issue travel warnings for AZ, USA.

Being a white haired, white male, I could see a trip through Arizona being uneventful. They wouldn’t arrest moi, would they???

The problem is that I often answer “merci” when I deal with folks from the service-tourism industry. How long would it take for Debra-Joe to call Officier Pain to deal with the french illegal immigrant? I guess that by the time I,m starting my car, I’ll meet the sidewalk with my face.

I’ll never set foot in Arizona. Period…

You are being foolish if you don’t racial profiling will not increase, it certainly will. The idea of eugenics that that is buried at the root of this law was used by whites in this country to legally discriminate in the past. The Nazi used this a basis to justify their singeling out of “others”.

Since you do’t think immigrants are needed then I know you will be happy to go out and pick lettuce, lemons and other crops for the good of the American table. Oh, agriculture minimum wages are far lower than standard minimum wages, and the work hours are 10 per day, but since you seem to believe in the free market you won’t mind doing that work. I have done it so I know that you will love it.

Goodness.

Nazis! Marshall (sic) Law! Totalitarianism! Eugenics! White Supremacy!

Such Hyperventilating over nothing. This is one of the reasons Progs never get any traction in national politics any more. They are seen as overblown kooks which in this case, most of them are.

Thank God for Ironymeter, Seaglass, Big Jess and a few other Progs who understand that the illegal immigration situation is a real problem that demands real solutions. Not border dissolving which is what most of the commenters on this thread would love to see.

According to Greg Palast:

What moved GOP Governor Jan Brewer to sign the Soviet-style show-me-your-papers law is the exploding number of legal Hispanics, US citizens all, who are daring to vote — and daring to vote Democratic by more than two-to-one. Unless this demographic locomotive is halted, Arizona Republicans know their party will soon be electoral toast. Or, if you like, tortillas.

In 2008, working for Rolling Stone with civil rights attorney Bobby Kennedy, our team flew to Arizona to investigate what smelled like an electoral pogrom against Chicano voters … directed by one Jan Brewer.

Brewer, then Secretary of State, had organized a racially loaded purge of the voter rolls that would have made Katherine Harris blush. Beginning after the 2004 election, under Brewer’s command, no less than 100,000 voters, overwhelmingly Hispanics, were blocked from registering to vote. In 2005, the first year of the Great Brown-Out, one in three Phoenix residents found their registration applications rejected.

More here

GDC707

This past weekend, I spent some of my valuable time posting to the various ‘immigration-related threads, and I came away impressed by the large amount of work and time spend by the Fire Pups, speaking their voice and done forthrightly. And thusly, my Kudos to All. As an aside, several months ago and in a conversation with Margaret, she suggested that I spend some time on weekends at the Lake and focused on issues important to racial and ethnic minorities.

I am from Arizona. I am constantly exaperated with my fellow Arizonans who purchased a ‘starter home’ at ‘palace prices’ and have now lost all to Wall Street, this first step on the long road to the American Dream. Consequently, I am dispappointed in the lack of intellectual gusto that exemplifies the whiners and complainers for having to suffer the indignity for now finding Undocumented Immigrants in their midst. And yet, Russell Pearce was considered an extremist and radical years ago, today, he is the mainstream face of the Republican Party. And if you have a chance to review the video tape of the Governor signing this legislation this past Friday, Pearce is standing in the background and upon his face is “the fear” that he knows is coming at him.

And I have no sympathy for him but I do for his spouse and children. But he will be comfitted by the fact that his grandchildren will be marrying my grand and great grandchildren, and he–Pearce, will live to old age but eventually, he will be rolling over in his grave for the behavior of his kin. And that mean’s that Pearce has been rejected by History Writ Large and which comes from the affection and affliction for the School for Great Sex. Thus, political evolution.

Jaango

It is difficult to understand what upside the AZ legislators thought they might gain from this law. They must remember the backlash from the MLK holiday screwup. I’m beginning to believe that the AZ desert sun has baked their reactionary little brains.

Maybe we should get Mexico to supply Sombreros for Senators to cool off their pointy little heads.

If this isn’t just a kneejerk reaction to the drug crime problem and all them immigants taking the good jobs it may have some real political effects.

Divide and confuse is an old tactic. Legal residents and American citizens who happen to be Hispanics will be the ones harassed by this law. This will create more friction between two groups that have many common goals. African Americans are also being manipulated to believe that they will also lose if they support immigrants rights. This tactic works better in times of economic stress and when groups fight each other it takes some of the heat off of the people who caused the problem.

Self-Restraint is only found in Profiles of Courage. Thus, Governor Brewer’s legacy is in the toilet and available for all to to see.

Long story short, she is doing to Arizona what the GOP in Congress wanted to do to America. Consequently, she signed another piece of legislation that prohibits women in Arizona to have abortions covered in health insurance policies via the Exchange. As such, she has elided the Hyde Amendment and coat hangers are sure to follow for the economically disadvantaged woman.

Jaango

Like I said one thing that is being grossly overlooked is that police officers cannot just go up to someone and ask for ID. They have to make legal contact, i.e. speeding, and then under reasonable suspicion they can ask for identification. Then if the person cannot produce identification then the officer can call ICE. Then ICE can request that the officer detain the person in question. And honestly, if a police officer asks me for identification I have no problem providing it. Furthermore, if a white person or a black person or person of any race cannot produce identification then they should be detained until identification can be produced. How is that racially profiling someone.

You call that Nazism and fascist, so be it. I call it a move to securing the life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for citizens and legal residents.

The simple fact is that we need to secure our borders and reforming the immigration policies so that it is not as expensive, not as time consuming and much more streamlined.

I think that once true reform comes about on a federal level then laws like the one in Arizona will become null and void.

Also, a couple of other tidbits. Like I already mentioned you have to provide proof of legal status when you start a job (I-9 form), it is already a law requiring legal residents to carry their green card at all times. So basically this law is allowing the local and state police of Arizona to enforce federal laws but the state law is unconstitutional. Lets face it the riots and protests and vandalism in Arizona is being stirred up by liberal agents (I use that term loosely) to foment a crisis that the DNC can exploit so that they don’t lose power in the mid-term elections. If this bill would have passed after the mid-term elections I can almost promise you that it would not be as big a deal as it is right now. It just goes to show how scared the DNC is and to what measures they will go to try to protect their current status. Why? The reason why is because they know that on the platform of issues they are losing horribly. Health Care Reform is a fiasco and will never work, it was a publicity stunt for Reid, Pelosi and Obama. The financial reform is just an excuse for the Democrats to leverage themselves into yet another industry and with it being the financial industry the results are going to be disastrous ( I wonder how long it is going to be before Obama issues a Stalin-esque 5 year plan). Cap and trade/tax is going to be disastrous for both industry and the economy because you are going to force companies to purchase a non-tangible commodity. As a result, they are going to either leave the country or increase prices drastically. Immigration Reform to the Democrats is legalizing the actions of lawbreakers (which is what illegal aliens are). Their foreign policy is one laughable event after another. I mean honestly what in the name of God was Obama doing publishing our nuclear strategy. Apologeticism is one very very small step away from appeasement. And as a small history lesson appeasement doesn’t solve foreign policy events it only gives it time to ferment and become much much worse than it would otherwise have been. Furthermore, Obama’s foreign policy is insulting not only to me but to many people across the country. Why should we be sorry that we are a great country with a great society with a great economy (i.e. the economy lost more market share this time than the market crash of 1930 but it was still classified as a recession, goes to tell you the true strength of capitalism). Why should we be sorry that we have advanced ourselves and kept ourselves on the forefront of innovation and technology and others have not. That is why Democrats must rely on emotion and prey upon special interests. I do not think that the Democrats in Washington care one ounce about the plight of illegal aliens, they want to legalize them because they see a huge, untapped voting bloc.

I am a conservative in many ways, in many others I am not. I am stating here and now that I would like to discuss the issues and maybe come to an agreeable consensus.

Except the AZ law as written does not require any type of pre-existing reason for a stop (such as speeding ticket or running a stop sign) but allows the cop to determine that someone doesn’t look like they are legal.

dakin01,

You are correct in your above post. Thus, Status trumps Crime.

So, if Truth in Advertising were deemed appropriate, this Republican Avenue of Progress would become a cul de sac for “Sartorial Profiling”.

And yet, the “meta-picture” is one for understanding the underlying politics. Governor Brewer is on the record that the State Legislature would be required to spend $30 million annually via the National Guard to ‘secure’ the border. And yet, she is advocating a “temporary” one cent sales tax that will generate over One Billion Dollars Annually, and again, she made no mention that an approximate $30 million annually could be diverted to the National Guard. Consequently, her “priority” is not border security but harrassment and intimidation of Brown People, with the expectation that these folks won’t show up on Election Day. As such, she is pandering to the Independents and who out number the Democrats. Any suggestions posited by Democrats, is ignored, despite her commentaries otherwise.

Jaango