Frankly, I’m surprised that an institution as homophobic as the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t blame the gays for its molestation scandal more often…
Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said in a news conference in Chile on Monday that “many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relation between celibacy and pedophilia.”
They do believe, however, “that there is a relation between homosexuality and pedophilia,” he said. “That is true. … That is the problem.”
(…)
Bill Donohue, head of the Catholic League, similarly pointed at homosexuality last month as the true problem behind the child abuse sex scandal.
In a full-page ad taken out in The New York Times, he called it a “homosexual crisis,” claiming that “eighty percent of the victims of priestly sexual abuse are male.”
Maybe they resisted the temptation to gay-bash because that particular explanation would mean that the Church routinely made exceptions to its own prohibition against homosexual priests – but only for the ones who molested children. Or maybe just because it’s complete bullshit.
But this is not the only example of the Church and its apologists trying to shift responsibility for its monstrous crimes.
How about blaming the Jews? (And oh by the way, that Holocaust thing? We were totally asking for it.)
Last week, retired Bishop Giacomo Babini of the Italian town of Grosseto told the Catholic Pontifex website that the Catholic pedophile scandal is being orchestrated by the “eternal enemies of Catholicism, namely the freemasons and the Jews, whose mutual entanglements are not always easy to see through… I think that it is primarily a Zionist attack, in view of its power and refinement. They do not want the church, they are its natural enemies. Deep down, historically speaking, the Jews are God-killers.”
….”The Holocaust was a shame for all of humanity,” the good bishop told the world, “but now we have to look at it without rhetoric and with open eyes. Don’t believe that Hitler was merely crazy. The truth is that the Nazis’ criminal fury was provoked by the Jews’ economic embezzlement, by which they choked the German economy.” He concluded that the Jews’ “guilt is graver than what Christ predicted would happen to them, saying ‘do not cry for me, but for your own children.’”
Or how about blaming the victims themselves, for being part of some sort of “clear and despicable” conspiracy against the Pope? This particular theme of persecution by vague Church-hating, probably-liberal “powerful lobbies” comes up a lot, actually – one senior Vatican priest even compares the Church’s persecution to that of the Jews (although Bishop Babini would probably disagree).
I can give them a pass for the one anti-semitic loon, but the rest of the apologists are all high-ranking Vatican priests and Cardinals, not obscure lone nuts. How can senior members of a church that emphasizes confession and penance be so insistent on blaming others for its sins? And how could senior members of a church so obsessed with controlling the consensual sex of others have been so cavalier about the non-consensual sex of their own?
Just a matter of time before someone figures out a way to blame the whole fiasco on birth control and abortions…




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hi, Eli!
These guys are starting to remind me of
(a) Nixon and Watergate, before it was blown up by WaPo, and
(b) Bush and Cheney’s excuses for why we needed to attack Iraq.
Both of those were lies from start to finish, and they all got away with it.
When in doubt blame the Jews. It’s a sure winner no matter what group your in.
I think the offenses are a little too widely known at this point. Which is why they’re flipping out.
Yep, always a crowd-pleaser.
We’ll buy that. The RC Church is full of Pedophiliac Homosexuals, who should be kicked out of the Church and prosecuted, for the Pedophilia part.
Oh noes, they are loyal priests…and should be shown mercy…
And they weren’t kicked out why?
No doubt down the line they will blame fat people, chocolate, and global warming. What a bunch of slimes.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
The Cardinal should know his audience before he begins a sermon.
Except I don’t think the Catholic Church is opposed to any of those.
If they were the only group of people who ever thought they were upholding a tradition without understanding why that tradition existed, this would be a real poser.
As it is, though, it’s just a sad irony.
Intellectual dominance is demonstrated by holding 2 or more contradictory opinions while not bursting into flames.
Until the Supreme Court outlaws fire.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
The Church used to be so proud of its scholars now they need fake science.
Hopefully your snark tag was missing.
I’ll remind readers that pedophilia is in the DSM-IV (Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) where being gay is NOT.
These so called Catholic leaders are probably guilty of similar crimes… What are They hiding??
I think they covered this when they used the “it’s all because of the permissive ’60s” crap.
Au contraire. It appears they’ve been trained at the Ann Coulter School of Rhetoric. I think it would be fun, in a sad, brain-damaging sort of way, to see how many footnotes Coulter could write in a row that were not actually what she said they were.
Hey Eli!
Hey egreg!
linkage fail
Where are my manners?
Eli!
Hey Newt did ya get one of them there IPADS??? Huh Huh??
When you have to lie to make your case then you know the truth won’t support you.
Kelly!
Oops Hi Eli!!
Hi nahant!!
Either that, or you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. The jury’s still out on Coulter.
Aloha, Eli…! Always a pleasure to see ya…! ;-)
I’m not sure she particularly cares one way or the other.
Nah. Waiting for 2.0, when Apple will complete the picture with a built-in USB port.
On to the post…
Jews, Pedophiles, Leftys, Muslims, Pelosi – same difference.
-Donohue
The Freemasons are who and what have they done to the church in the last 200 or more years? Also how do these groups cause priests to molest kids mind control?
Aloha and likewise, CTut!
I can’t believe how many people link homosexualty and pedophilia together. Maybe some people’s worst fears. Is that why?
Are they also all left handed musicians? /s
PS — oopsey. Hi ya, Eli and other favorite pups.
No no, the mind control was to make us believe that the Church has a pedophile scandal in the first place.
Because otherwise homosexuality is perfectly harmless.
One of the reasons the jury’s still out.
Given the decades the church studied this problem its hard for them to claim ignorance and this Pope’s old job in the church was just that.
Notice the Pope took away investigations of this matter from local churches and decided to investigate themselves.
Just what I thought.. But it does look nice.. No USB 3.0 aww shit.. should have been an easy add..
So were the ones I mentioned – at least some of us had them pegged from the start.
The Vatican is really out of touch with reality, or so it appears to me. Time to demote the hierarchy, and start over with a new one, preferably without pretensions to infallibility and diplomatic immunity.
Oopsie, again. You’re right.
Tattooed, left handed, pierced, radical thinking, …
I’m making a list of the scary.
All kidding aside, I think that the directives coming from the church on the issue, which seem principally designed to ensure that no one talked about it, says it all about what the church’s priorities were.
Kelly, wait till the Texas Board get’s a hold of the DSM for Part V… Whooie…! ;-)
He left out atheists? I’m crushed.
Agreed Their Priority was Cover Their A$$.
How long before a Cardinal denounces Lefty blogs as enemies of the Church? We deserve our Cred when its due!
We cover this story constantly!
Should have been, I suppose, but inside the thing’s an iPod Touch with a big battery. They may not have had the drivers available in time for a bug-free release.
Ahem… Slight name correction. I’m really not into Apple gadgets, as you can probably tell.
Yep – Scientists will be “Faith Deniers” with a diagnosis of:
Oh wait, that could even describe His Prada-Wearing Highness…
Nevermind.
We probably will not see that port until Apple either decides to overcome it’s distaste for storing manageable data on their flash-based big-ticket items – iPhone/iPad, or when the public gets angry about it.
Possibly, though I really think they’re missing the boat if they don’t. The thing’s primary utility, apart from people being able to play videos on it, appears to be as a tablet for mobile data gathering and dissemination. Not having a high speed port limits the utility.
Personally, I’d rather have one of the PC tablet computers, even without a real keyboard.
I wonder what the significance of the black bird on the goat’s head is.
damn those SW engineers.. whats wrong with them??……./s
You know, I was actually wondering that myself…
What happened to the good old days when Popes with problems had accidents? This Pope is costing the church money, followers and Cred.
This is covering up molesting kids there is no way the church can win this fight given the information that is already in the Press.
The longer they fight the longer this issue stays in the press. The longer it stays in the press the more popular support for prosecution…of the Pope.
The longer this fight goes on the more likely more old cases will come out, the more likely new cases will happen.
Also just what Man will want to volunteer to be a Priest if this scandal goes on another 6 months?
It was, I won’t argue with your assertion, I’ll see your hand. The RC’s argument holds as much water as Dick Cheney’s Bladder.
This is one case where I agree with the post. Though I am not into bashing religions, I am into calling despicable conduct and even worse handling for what it is.
The conduct can happen in any large group, but there is absolutely no excuse for the nearly criminal and criminal handling of the what happened after discovery of the conduct.
my nephew was just visiting on business and he had a tablet… very nice..
Actually, doesnt that animal look like a black sheep.
The room they are in makes it look like a ritual of something. Like before a sacrifice.
I still don’t know about the bird.
It’s what the Pope blessed. It’s infallible.
Not fighting with ya but
A – wrt DSM-IV diagnoses, it’s not an assertion, it’s a fact
B – Darth’s bladder? ewwwwwwwww!
FDL has been excommunicated and people who frequent FDL, or post comments of worse write dries, are cursed with eternal damnation, and cannot receive the sacraments from the holy church, except anally.
There problem fixed. Shut up the DFHs, and the Priests now have new pray, and a Papal sanctioned release for their urges.
I was writing about the RC Church’s assertion. Not your’s.
Sorry for being ambiguous…or should that be Pedophiliac-Homosexual under the Church’s Papal infallibility doctrine?
And the holding water thingy? It had to be small, leaky, and smelly and piss on everyone.
Isn’t that actually a black sheep in the picture?
The hapless scapesheep, always taking the blame for acts committed by the scapegoat.
Don’t you mean “lack” of abortions?
It’s a sheep-y kinda face on an ox to my view. Those ears. Tick-birds hang out on oxen.
Think “Joseph Campbell” and Power of Myth/symbols.
In the East, Lambs were mostly used as substitutes for sacrificing children. Oxen were when a tribe really needed to lay down BIG time sacrifices. Tick-birds and ravens were often viewed as harbingers.
Excuse me? See my #56.
(holding my hand out.)
No, abortions. Abortions derive the priests of new supplicants…
Not sure we want anything from the church anally or otherwise. But if eternal damnation means I don’t spend eternity with pedophile priests when I die then sign me up!
Can I get my excommunication in writing I want to frame it.
Totally get it now. Sorry.
I love Joe Campbell. Maybe why I noticed the bird in the first place. And, yes the term scape goat comes from a ritual sacrifice. I do believe.
I fear you may be right, but the pickings on Flickr for “scapegoat” were pretty damned slim…
No boys available? Oh well, off to the nearest sheep…That is a bunch a RC Priests about to grope that Sheep? Correct?
What you drinkin’?
I don’t think we were faulting you. We figured you were “testing” us. *g*
I’m so glad you said that. I thought ox, too and decided that I must be an idiot – the jury is still out on that one though.
my bad
I searched the world over and then I found ewe.
Well, it’s all art. And the point of a harbinger on a sacrifice animal with a bunch of guys all camaraderie standing around, pretty much still makes the point, regardless of the fine details, nu?
Speaking of pee pee, The Church could really use a Maplethorpe Piss Christ distraction pronto.
Certainly. Address your request to The Pope at the Vatican, and write your request on the front page torn from a bible from an RC Church.
Please have it notarized by the Doctor-in-Charge in a Planned Parenthood facility.
Water, please?
The outline in the lower left portion looks pretty woolly.
Later gators – gotta whoop up some dinner for me and Mr. B.
Q: Why do Shepherds wear rubber boots?
A: For the back legs.
Slidin’ down the bar at ya.
P.S. you’re not a cheap date, just inexpensive.
It used to be.
Bon appetit to you and Mr. B.
Tell Hazel I said, “Hi.”
Sometimes I try to be low maintenance.
You evidently haven’t read Bob’s playbook.
Oh, Bob’s his own man. I’m sure he does his job well, you spoiler, you.
Exactly! That’s why they are so opposed to women controlling their own fertility. Not enough fodder for the pedophiles.
He isn’t spoiled, just gets everything he wants and more…
“I can give them a pass for the one anti-semitic loon”
It’s kind of you. But as a Roman Catholic from the cradle, I’ve always felt that Jews and Protestants were way too soft on the Roman hierarchy. The loon’s views are probably quite widespread in the Curia. It is no accident that “Hitler’s Pope”, Pius XII (Eugenio Pacelli) is now up for sainthood or that the current incumbent is the Church’s first member of the Hitler Youth. Nor was it an accident that the Vatican provided the primary escape route for war criminals after WW2–that’s documented.
In the last 150 years or so–and at an accelerating rate in the last 30–the Papacy has become so obsessed with its imagined secular political status that it has all but abandoned theology, morality, and pastoral care. Everything is about its victimhood and the conspiracies that keep it and its Pope from assuming their “rightful” places in the world. Catholic history be damned. Catholic tradition and law be damned. The Hell with the Gospels. None of that matters as long as the self-defined prerogatives of the Vatican and its monarch are protected and promoted.
The results are obvious. In all the nations that were the faith’s foundation for centuries, there are still Catholics. They just do not attend mass or tithe to the Church. The thing that we need a clergy for–dealing with the simplest moral crisis–is the thing that they can’t do. They can only tell lies that they alone are capable of believing at this late date. The designated villain–the homosexual, Jewish, Liberal, Atheist, Christ-Killing Freemason–wasn’t new or particularly convincing 300 years ago.
ELI!
Holy cow, that’s a big ox…
It’s an elephant. Some of you aren’t looking hard enough.
Quebecois!
I like how you put that.
Lisa Derrick is upstairs!
Late Night: Hank Williams and the Pulitzer
Eli !
Ba-a-a-aad post ! *g*
Petro !
I was already going to Hell.
Senator !
If Heaven is their domain, I think I’ll join you in Hell … *g*
I brought marshmallows.
Eli, I have been trying to think of how to tie all the pieces together WRT this issue.
I really cannot get past my fury over this, their insertion into the abortion issue while they have ZERO moral authority, etc. etc.
I was raised in the church, and I have seen this crap for too long.
Thanks for keeping this topic up. It has not yet been adequately covered, IMO. They can blame whomever they want, but the finger points only at them.
ROFL !!!
I have been tracking the list of everyone the Vatican, the Catholic hierarchy, and its spokesmen have been blaming for the RCC pedophile problem:
- Homosexuals
- Atheists
- Anti-semites
- Jews (especially Zionist Jews)
- Freemasons
- Progressive western societies with non-repressive sexual attitudes
- Liberals and progressives in general
- Homosexuals (again)
- International anti-Catholic conspiracies (in addition to the Jews and Freemasons)
- Liars looking to extort money from and embarrass the Church
- Petty gossip
- The NY Times
- President Obama
- Satan himself
- The children, for supposedly seducing priests on purpose (aka The Lolita Defense)
- Absolutely, positively not anyone in the Roman Catholic hierarchy, the Vatican, or the current or previous popes
- Homosexuals (x3), which by definition also includes lesbians, although how that works I have no clue.
Thanks. It just struck me how it seems like every day they’re coming up with someone else whose fault it *really* is, anyone but theirs. Worse yet, they’re actually using it to *reinforce* their narrative about evil gays & liberals.
Wow. Bravo.
Great stuff!
Somebody get Cliff May on the horn, right now!
The truly dismaying part is that list keeps growing. With, of course, certain groups making repeat appearances.
But thanks.
Becca – that’s really good. I hope you will write a diary for us:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/post
Diaries are open to everyone. We do like to encourage people with special promise.
Thanks, you’re most kind — I believe I will.
I’ll need to put together a version of that list with all the links…
Imagine being the first RC judge to get a client who uses the papal child rape defense.
But your honor, we’re both good roman catholic men…we know the popes infallible, he gave pedophiles everywhere their blessing…arresting me is the same as spitting on the pope…do you want to be excommunicated? No you don’t so be a good little boy, take it, and move on!
Judge: Dammit I don’t want to be excommunicated! Child Diddlers free to go!
Of course there is no correlation between celibacy and pedophilia…
If they were truly Celibate then they would not be having sex.
And that is sort of the problem…these are lapsed celibates who have real psycho-social problems in that they cannot openly express their sexuality. Thus they must do so illicitly and use their power over others, particularly children, to keep them frightened, confused and silent.
The same psychosocial issues are true of other pedophiles and rapists…the need for power imbalances to have sexual expression.
So if homosexuality is the problem then why was Cardinal Ratzo and the others protecting all those gays in the Church? I thought that they had a problem with practicing homosexuals in the preisthood? Yet here they were concealing actual criminal acts?
How odd…was the Church lying about this being a sin for all those years?
~snark~
Myth and fairy tellers are a group of people that live off of the fears of the common people. They tell you stories from a book that could have been written by Jon Steward. Sponges on society. “I live in a multi-million dollar house because god told the to. What a pile of stinking road apples.
Then you have this pissed of super guy that doesn’t like anything about ‘his’ creation. A thinking being would rather have Sauron as a leader than the corrupt “leaders of religious ?thinking?”
Flame on!
And how about pouring on a lot of hurry on the “rapture” I need a new house and the myth believers will leave there’s behind waiting for me to occupy. Hurry, Hurry, Hurry, Horay for the rapture may it come tomorrow!!
As to the god image in the painting, it seems to refer to the Eqyptian pantheon. Amun-Ra was depicted as a ram, also was a solar deity, and the style of the bird on the sheep’s head mimics the god horus, who appeared on royal headgear and in their alphabet. At least, that’s my guess at this, FWIW.
Eli, given Church history, once anyone reviews this article and all its links, they will realize that the institution of the Catholic Church is the last vestiges of a diseased government structure which has nothing to do with spirituality:
“The Devil In The Vatican“
“Just a matter of time before someone figures out a way to blame the whole fiasco on birth control and abortions”
Well, I think they already did. They blamed it on the sexually sloppy, permissive post-60s American culture. I guess that didn’t work since we prosecute pedophiles like no one else, and now they’re reaching.
OTOH, the Texas Mormons seem to have gotten off, with lots of “liberals” defending their privacy against the busybody Southern Baptists. 13 is the legal age of consent in TX, right? And those girls definitely consented, right?
So, the RC may have a point about the effect of tribalism in determining public perceptions of guilt.
All is which it to say that sloppy Americans do seem to be–perhaps inadvertently– fostering the contradictions that enable us to pick and choose who is guilty based upon our tribal affiliations or sympathies.
So, maybe we need to examine ourselves as well.