The movement’s impious padre, Robert Williams gives the history, moving from hot rod culture and underground comics to gallery walls and museum collections, with a magazine, Juxtapoz (published by a skateboarding conglomerate) and the soundtrack of punk rock punctuating every artist’s explanation for how and why.
This art movement, like Mailer’s underground river of the psyche
travels from the domain of sex through the deeps of memory and the dream, on out into the possible,
a river and unrest of discontent that flows to a sea of change.
It is a sexy movement, crude at times, bold and fierce, also voluptuous, sensual, tender; at times playing with Masters, at times masturbatory and overly self-referential, because, hey if a picture of a doll-faced gal with a steak sells, many will paint it. Political and social commentaries are wheat pasted on city walls and sold in galleries; expressions of angst and disillusion still harbor glimmers of hope beneath the layers of personalized mythologies.
Is this truly “low” art? Well, it’s no longer low priced, and certainly is well hung in galleries and museums. Calling it “low brow” defines this art as an antithesis to high brow, rather than letting it stand on its own. And what is “low” anyhow? Granted the subjects are often blue collar–cars and tits, tattoos and cartoons— but look at Caravaggio, Toulouse-Lautrec, Egon Schiele, George Grosz, their subjects and their acceptance now.
And shocking to the art establishment, not every artist has an MFA and some–oh noes!–come from commercial and comic book backgrounds (gasp!). But does this make it low? Does this movement’s start in gritty, piss-soaked galleries where paintings were swapped for drugs make it any less high art, “good art”? Heck, yesterday at Artillery Magazine’s art debate, Robert Williams said
There is no bad art. Bad art is art that falls over and kills you. Or tries to give you a cyanide enema.
In New Brow, Tanem Davidson has put together an honest, warts and all look at the history of new West Coast art, full of history, excitement, insight and interviews with dozens of artists, collectors, and gallery owners. It’s thrilling, provocative, smart and blunt, like the art it chronicles.




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Hey tanem, Thanks so much! How was the show opening Friday?
Hello, The art show went great. We had a great attendance. We still have some really good pieces left if anyone wants to check them out, http://www.thealternativecafe.com
I wish I could have been there, but I did get some flava on Sunday wiht Artillery magazine’s debate series at the Standard Hotel downtown. Robert Williams delivered!
The New Contemporary movement is here to stay. Movies like this are helping to cement our place in arts history.
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What is your backgroudn, why this movie (though you can se eI am pretty enthuse dabout the art so, yeah I owuld have mad eit too!)? how long have you been working on it and when will you be in Los Angeles wiht it?
Totally! Hi Andrew. Andrew is form Thinkspace gallery which just moved form East Hollywood to Culver City this weekend and has shown many of the artists in “New Brow”
I think that because this art style rested on the beaches under palm trees (I am being a buit dry) outside oof NY circles it flourished and wa snurtured in a way it wouldnt have in NY…
But then I am a Los Angeles native!
I went to school for Illustration in San Francisco. As I began to venture into the Gallery system I couldn’t find anything that really grabbed my attention, style of painting and interest in culture. I found a book from Glenn Barr that really set it off for me. When I looked around for more of that I began to find a whole underground of this stuff. I thought there should be a movie of it so I just started filming shows, notreally knowing what I doing. That was almost five years ago.
Indeed, though this movement got its start in LA and the surrounding areas, it’s very much become an international movement in the past few years due to the power of the internet and the growing strength and distribution of mags like Hi-Fructose and Juxtapoz.
San Pedro now has a really vital art scene..the last 10 years have really exploded..due in part to the economy booming, and now cycling down..lots of people got excited about art, bought art, more art was created, the winnowing begins…
Art mags are surviving in an era when most print media is dying off. People LOVE art, especially this style, they understand it on different levels..figurative stuff excites people, iconography that grabs them and speaks to them.
I see a lot of parallels to New Contemporary and the Barnes collection, art that was understood by the establishment that errupted and was embraced by those wiht foresight.
And Tanem, thanks for showcasing some of the women in this movement who often get overlooked because many of the themes are seen as very macho..cars especially.
This particular movement, as a whole, features so many prominent female artists – from Tiffany Bozic to Audrey Kawasaki to Sas Christian to Amy Sol and the list goes on… definitely a very encouraging thing.
Thanks, I didn’t want it to seem one man-sided. I think out of the whole genre Camille Rose Garcia is going to be one of the main artists written about in future.
There really are a lot of women that are xtremely talented involved in this scene
I think most of our readers would be familar wiht Shepard fairey and Ron English..we saw a god deal of new Contemporary in the DC Manifest Hope pop-up show and at Manifest Equality in Los Angeles.
And of course Robert Williams is very well known for “Appetite for Destruction” which was controversial when it was the cover (later the sleeve insert) for the Guns N Roses album
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Appetitefordestruction.jpg
I am a fan of Stacey Lande’s art too, and Isabel Samaras.
I LOVE the immediate vitality of New Contemporary
I think Ron English was right when he said we’ll see this genra continue to grow and grow until it’s taught in schools.
You just did a great write up touching on this Lisa: http://firedoglake.com/2010/02/21/congratulations-ausgangs-pop-surrealism-surfs-to-mainstream-on-mgmts-sophomore-album/
I’m with Anthony Ausgang, who said he doesn’t care for the term “lowbrow”. Here’s a painting at the Uffizi NSFW: Gabrielle d’Estrees and one of her Sisters. How do we categorize it? Or this NSFW from the Bargello in Florence: Leda and the Swan.
Here are some links for readers to kinda get an idea…
isabel samaras
stacey lande
mark ryden
Within the next few years, I don’t think this ‘movement’ will be looked upon as underground anymore… MANY big events on tap for the next 2 years including the debut NYC solo show of the one and only Mark Ryden later this month… and many more museum shows in the works… there’s just too much momentum and the population as a whole is too behind this genre of art to let it go anywhere, and more and more galleries are coming to the party to help give it a platform, so the sky is most definitely the limit. Jonathan LeVine recently described it as a “generational shift” and he’s totally on point. Just a matter of time before all those that were raised during this period come of age and start to collect themselves in various ways… an exciting time for sure!
Great collector’s board to surf about on and learn a bit more about the movement and the artists that make it up – be warned, you may get the bug for collecting this genre… and it’s a brutal addiction. hahaha
http://artchival.proboards.com/index.cgi?
The Pizz mentioned that as well in something I was watching on YouTube.
Ron English
and let’s not forget http://www.juxtapoz.com and http://www.hifructose.com and http://arrestedmotion.com – a few of the leading sites updated very regularly that highlight this movement as a whole.
I have to leave my credit cards at home when I go to galleries, or like one collector quoted in New Brow, I will be eating rice 7 days a week, not 5!
teaching this style is an odd concept, because there are some variations. I do notice how SEXY the stuff is and there is social commentary in many pieces, a concern about the human condition.
Tanem, when wil you be screening in Los Angeles?
Great guide to galleries that support this movement can be found here:
http://www.juxtapoz.com/Gallery-Guide/gallery-guide-index
I’ve noticed alot of interest over seas lately. Places like Australia, Norway and Argentina have contacted me for screening the film. I know Shep had a show in Aus recently. I’m sure new galleries are springing up all over the world
Maybe Stacey Lande is familiar with the work of Ivan Albright: Portrait of Dorian Grey, at the Art Institute of Chicago.
And if you live in SoCal, be sure to sign up to get my weekly list of recommended openings in the LA area – going strong for six years now – check out http://www.sourharvest.com for to sign up for the weekly mailing
There is so much vitality in this art–and I love that thanks to technology some pieces are available as giclee prints, making them within reach of the public..
Oddly enough LA is one place we had a hard time getting into Festivals. So I decided to have my own. I’m still in the process of setting up the Underground Art and film Festival. It should be late this summer. Andrew will be involved as will laBasse projects in LA.
I love that you do this and promote the scene, not just your gallery. So much good art down there in LA. Makes me jealous I don’t live there.
Ed, you bring up a really good point–and one I keep blathering about: back in ye olden days, it seems gods and goddess and certainly the Magdalene (Lefebvre, NSFW) we painted as sexy entertainment “back them”
Rops’ Pornocrates, one of my favorites ever, shows the inspiration of nudes n arts.
wow, very cool! 1945? really?
I haven’t seen anyone mention Coop. His work it seems would fit right in with this topic.
Aweome, please keep me posted on that!
Coop (NSFW)
Just getting to it. He is very influential, ot be sure.
I didin’t think about nsfw.
Very true.
I love that art is now being created an promoted and loved by people my age and younger. It is really exciting and liberating.
Definately coop was there in the beginning(Well, almost beginning). He brought music and art together. Two important parts of the equation
Plus because of the subject/s matter/s there are references so that if people are interested they can poke around and find out what this symbol means or who that face is in the corner, etc…art because a multilayered process.
And stiil there is enough space for people to have a personal experience and not necessarily that which the artist is telling them to have
I think that why this art attracts such a young-ish crowd. It’s based in this culture. Not the culture from 60 years ago. All the kids growing up with mickey mouse can see the artistic irony right away when he is put in a hotrod or looks drugged out. Our parents may not get it. Film and TV have a huge influence on this art.
There is irony, and humor and cycinism, poiticla awarenes… and underlying it al, as I see it is hope and sorrow.
Which has always been the job of the artist.
Tanem, I’m really looking forward to seeing the film!
In regards to the artists such as Pizz, Shag, Coop, Ausgang, Rockin’ Jellybean, Ryden among many others, it would be great if someone complied a book documenting this artwork’s importance to the independent record scene and how in turn these records helped to spread “lowbrow” worldwide.
what advice wuld you bth give painters starting out? collectors?
Really excited to make that all it can be – keep me posted Tanem. I know Mark Murphy is down to help get some films in the mix too if help is needed.
Thanks, Those artists are pivotal in the art/music scene. Rockin Jelly bean has been one of my favorites for years. I originally started out to make a doc about the lowbrow side. But I had heard about another doc being made at the time (The Lowbrow on Lowbrow) and I didn’t want to duplicate it. Plus the scene at that time was in the process of changing into more Pop Surrealism – ish. Leaving the Low Brow side of it behind as more of a “This is what we where.” But I think that the album art is an important side being a working illustrator. Isabel Somoras talks about that in the film.
I am sure that some of the artists have higher demand/price than others, but could you give us an idea of the range of prices for these works?
Advice to painters starting out:
Just paint every day. Literally. It’s a tough business, make sure it’s really what you want to do. If it is what you want to do, you will be rewarded.
Collectors: Andrew may know more. I’d say, you know what you like. If you like it it’s ok to buy it. I think people get caught up in the collecting for business purpose. And may not like. My friends dad bought a piece from a show at the Alt Gallery last year because he thought it was in the movie, which would bring the price up. When it turned out that it wasn’t he was stuck with a piece he didn’t like.
I just found a pic of me and Rockin Jelly Bean in Japan from 1994.
Definately, lets get this thing rolling! It’ll be huge!
I refuse to talk about art as an investment opportunity with potential buyers. I think it’s the type of speculative and short-sighted marketing idea that leads to trends and ultimate collapses.
Yeah, first and foremost, buy what moves you and you know you will love for years to come. Art is not the stock market.
As for range, really depends on the artists – from $100 on up to $1.5 million or so (with Ryden leading the charge in pricepoint and Todd Schorr not too far behind for his monster commissions).
Most works are in the 500-10,000 range through, give or take.
I second that – you are just setting yourself up for an issue down the line with that collector.
Art is life! Tanem I want you to screen here!
I concur wiht both you gentlemen. I buy what I like, I buy things that make me go weak in the knees. I do have some price resistance simply because I have only so much disposable income
again, Andrew is going have a better response. From my experience this art can go from a under a hundred to almost a million. However most of the really good stuff is in the 5k range. At the alt cafe we sell alot between 600 and a 1k.
Collecting should be about what you like…or rather, what you love.
For new buyers I recommend a bit of browsing and then a purchase that won’t financially crush them. It’s not until they live with the art that they get a sens of their own taste. If they wait too long to purchase, they run the risk of missing the boat on great work.
Oh, upon posting I see Andrew beat me to it – truly what you love AND can afford :-)
Where do you think the next phase of this is going?
Third! nothing is worse than buyers remorse with art.
Ryden’s work is really beautiful. Samaras’ too. (Is she related to Lucas?)
I am an artist and look at a lot of art when I travel, and I also read a number of art magazines. I am really amazed at the range of work being done from China and Korea to Africa, Latin America–places where it seems like it might be hard to get the work to international audiences. But it has really exploded.
I have always been a big fan of figure drawing, and I really appreciate the skill of these painters. I remember when people were saying that painting, especially figurative work, was over. THAT was sure wrong.
True that Lee. Keep in mind you should be living with this for the rest of your life, at least I feel you should, so it’s important you love it first and foremost. There are far better tried and true methods of turning a quick buck.
And galleries are so much fun to go to! I think it can be a great way to learn about art, and about what you like.
I think that “street art” is going away soon. The hype behind it hasn’t translated into very much important work and the discipline is such that the layperson thinks “I can do that”. Important works from two or three people are an obvious exception, but I’ve seen a lot of graffiti getting liquidated on the second hand market already. I think that there will be a strong return to painterly work.
It’ll happen
Exactly. Don’t let your friends dictate your buying habits… all too often I get asked why it’s so hard to get a certain artists work and i reply saying to trust your gut and not wait for the masses to dictate your tastes – if you see something now, and the artist isn’t flying off the walls, be one of their first patrons and get behind them, help expose them to your friends and others via postings on your facebook or flickr and in this day and age, things can grow very quickly – but be a PART of an artist’s story, as there’s nothing more rewarding I feel than growing with them.
Onward and upward – with more and more museums waking up to this movement and the record breaking attendance that comes with said shows.
And thanks to the internet and art amagzines like Juxtapos, hi-frucose, Coagula and Artillery, plus site like flavorpill.com and the ones Andrew kinldy lsted earlier, people can see more.
Art has moved out of the rarified air of musuems (whihc should stil be supportd and enjoyed1) and onto the street–and BACK inot musuems.
Like Shepard Fairey’s HOPE portrait of Obama, talk about acceptance of an movement, that’s it
The design-y and toy-related art is not fairing particularly well, either, as there’s no narrative behind it. When you look back at the work from the pre-war era, and you see the pieces that have captured the zeitgeist and endured for fifty plus years, you get a picture of complex, allegorical work with a more to say than just a simple image.
Figurative and narrative work has always endured trends and will continue to do so which makes the paintings of people like Carrie Ann Baade and Christopher Ulrich a steal at the current market prices.
Matt, painterly works for me more than graffiti, but I do enjoy screened collages and appropriated reconfigured images.
I really like figurative but wiht dynamic moveent, colors, layer so symbols images
Can’t say I totally agree here, as Street Art seems to be storming the halls of art institutions at a fairly quicker rate, due in part to street art’s history in modern art (Basquiat, Haring, etc)… but it is indeed all about a return to more painterly work, we’ve been seeing that develop more and more so over the past year.
Tanem, Andrew, Matt thank you for joining us and introducing FDL to this great art!
In a way, the Hope portrait is a dangerous example. It’s tied to a specific politician whose public acceptance could easily reverse. I don’t think it will happen, but if Obama turns out to be the worst figure n politics since Mussolini, that would equate Fairey to Riefenstahl. There’s also a law-suit over the ownership of the image. But from an art history stand-point the piece is unprecedented.
Anyone in LA – be sure to come on out once Tanem gets his chance to debut his labor of love later this summer!
Thanks Lisa! Get out and support the arts everyone and remember to check out the great sites I listed above to learn more about this movement and where you can go in your area to check it out in person.
Long live the movement!
I’d like to bring up something I noticed while in art school. We used to have garage shows with people like Mars-1 who would paint on things like cardboard or untreated wood. Either of you guys noticed this still happening? This kind of media can’t last through the years. Do you ever get collectors wary of this?
Thank you Lisa and Andrew, Tanem and Matt for the film and all the info. It is just great that art continues to inspire all ages through the variety of styles and materials.
Thanks everyone
It’s hard to sell non-archival work to serious collectors whose ultimate aim is to donate to a museum. But I’ve seen a lot of this in the graf sector, which is part of what I think will ultimately undermine it.
*non-archival
Museums have to hate it–there is a long history whether Picasso or Basquiat, and of course Rauchenberg was really wild with materials. It is a headache with tight budgets for maintenance.
What I have bought, I have not been too nervous, but I have some things that use very experimental materials. It is hard when something happens and some kind of restoration needs to be considered.
I have always tried to be careful when using wacky materials to make art, but I have still used lots of materials that might “change” over time. C’est la vie.
Of course I don’t sell my work for thousands and thousands of dollars.
Gotta laugh about all the anti-art stylists. If you want to see some art work that NOBODY, highbrow or lowbrow is interested in, check out some of mine. HERE