Is it my imagination or does “a non-Muslim Caucasian, and therefore, not a terrorist” look uncannily like Timothy McVeigh? Honestly, are they cloning these sociopaths? Got onto a really virulent genotype and going to town cranking out copies?

This wouldn’t be “Domestic Terrorism” now would it???
What asses the right is complete two faced asses.
I guess planing to Kill a Police Officer is OK in their book…

I will tell you something, BlueTexan, you are starting to sound just like Dick Cheney’s daughter. Maybe you should think about doing some work for her “Protect America” website…

Nine suspected members of a militia group were charged Monday with seditious conspiracy and related charges in an alleged plot to kill a Michigan law enforcement officer and then attack other officers at his funeral, federal prosecutors said.

The GOP is defending want to be COP Killers? can we get Jane on TV with Eric on CNN this would be a slam dunk.
Besides CNN hired Eric to be the voice of the Right Wingers lets hear what he has to say about it?
Or was CNN’s hiring of Eric more about making the Right look good rather than reporting accurately their views?

You should be in law enforcement.

The logical progression of this sort of stuff is articulated here.

Next thing we know Sarah and the TEABAGGERS will start a defence fund

Heard something on an antiwar.com interview recently about the origin of the current usage of the word terrorism. Not surprisingly, it was Israel, which in its dispute with the Palestinians, started using the term to describe the asymmetric warfare that way, to universal its sense of victimhood.

IOW, it’s a term that gets thrown about to trivialize groups that have grievances; but only those groups whose grievances we don’t like. So let’s just stop using it, as it has escalated to the point of meaningless.

Dicks Daughter gets emotional about defending torture. If torture worked we would have Ossama. What we do have are 9 want to be Cop Killers and the Right is defending them Law enforcement worked without torture and yes getting emotional about Cop Killers I think is warranted.

The guy looks kinda like James O’Keefe, only stupider…if that’s even possible.

THE TIMING APPEARS CONVENIENT: FBI stages domestic raids.

Yes it looks convenient Glenn are you afraid they will say they listened to you rant while planning this caper?
Given all the Hate and Lies on the news this was Expected!

FWIW, I don’t think you sound like Dick Cheney’s daughter. Now, maybe if you were a lesbian… ;-)

How’s that again?

Huh?

Hey, is the administration taking after Christian militias to get in good with CAIR and the neo-communist left?

If Obama was doing that wouldn’t he go after Meth heads? Funny how many so called Christian Militias preach Lies and Hate. If anything by going after the False Christian Militias we attack the AntiChrist’s army!

Top detective work reveals:

Pass curser over picture and it says: timothy-mcveigh-1-sized

The neo-fascist totalitarians have a military wing, political wing and propaganda/media wing. When their military wing is attacked the political and propaganda wing will jump to their defense. When the political wing is under threat the military wing rattles their sabers and the propaganda wing rationalizes and makes excuses. So many traitors and so few federal agents.

He was much deadlier, that is Tim McVeigh’s photo.

Just three days ago, members of the group were assisting LE in a rescue search. Must be some really evil people there, what?

Yes but they were trying to kill Cops way to balance things you Relativist twit!

That is McVeigh.

Classical Values sees nothing illegal going on.

Last time I looked, wanting to start a civil war (insane as it is) was not a crime.

Treason you moron and since we are at war that means the Death Penalty maybe we can invite Bush to pull the switch one more time! Bush loved to show he was tough on crime and Cop Killing is Crime with a capital C.

You can hear echoes of “black helicopters” and “Ruby Ridge” and “Waco” in Confederate Yankee’s lament.

I question the wisdom of using such heavy forces (including armored vehicles and helicopters according to witness reports), when light, fast and quiet raids would have been at least as effective. More than the timing, I question the leadership.

Did anyone die in the raid? No then it worked no wonder the South lost the Civil War.

During the Wilson administration the Attorney General conducted a series of raids across the country of leftists who were subsequently deported. Perhaps AG Holder should follow suit and rid the nation of these neo-fascist totalitarian treasonous elements.

Sounds like the Feds did a great job, infiltrating, indicting and capturing.

No reports of injury, harm or death yet. One more under indictment still needs to be caught.

After reading the initial reports, these Hutarees sound like whack jobs from mars.

Have to wait for the trials to really know tho …

Yu really BT helping Cheney in sort of manner except to help her into jail.

Yup, but he does look sorta like O’Keefe. Or Alfred E. Newman. (No offense meant to Alfred E. Newman, of course.)

There seems to be an intonation in this post that Ruby Ridge was not in-fact a terrible tragedy of government entrapment, intrusion, and aggression?

Those non-Muslim Caucasian domestic terrorists all look alike.

who were subsequently deported. Perhaps AG Holder should follow suit and rid the nation of these neo-fascist totalitarian treasonous elements

but were to send them? Guantanamo maybe :)

Well BlueTexan, your instant leap to assume their guilt sounds a lot like a Cheneyesque tactic. after all, she is constantly on the hunt for “the terrorists”, isn’t she?

Its funny isn’t it that under the Bush administration, when all those “homegrown terrorists” plots turned out to be just Terrorism Task Force manipulations, the “progressives” knew enough to stand back and let the facts sort themselves out before jumping on the “call them terrorists” Bush Bandwagon.

But now that it’s Obama in charge, it seems we have forgotten that little rule of thumb. Because God Knows, under an Obama administration they would NEVER EVER drum up bullshit charges to promote the mythology of HomGrown terrorists, now would they?

So, good job BlueTexan. You are helping to expand the Bush/Cheney “terroists among us” meme into the “progressives”…

neoclowns?

The word ‘suspects’ is in the headline.

Troll.

That “logic” was truly acrobatic. Congratulations!

How many have read Arthur Miller’s “Death of a Saleman”? Wasn’t the main character a sad, tragic figure who was out of touch with a world that had left him behind?

Yeah, I wondered. So, where’s the photo of the current arrestees?

Name calling? Nice…

yes, you keep the word Terror in the headline and the word Suspects as well, but then you directly call them “terrorists” in the body of the article, now don’t you?

Dan Riehl finds something about the terrorists to praise.

[Edited by Moderator: when you advocate the violent overthrow of the government or assassination of representatives of the government, you are a terrorist. That is not name calling. Authors have the right to point out those that they consider trolls on their posts.]

Funny these Nuts preach on about Immigrants taking their jobs but never say a thing about corporations outsourcing jobs.
They preach against Obama lies about secret Indonesian, Kenyan, Muslim who is trying to socialize healthcare.
When actually the Obama plan is not Socialism and Socialism would cost less money and give better health results.
Do we want crazy people who spread hate and lies to have guns? No but we let them anyway.
However that does not mean you get the freedom to kill Cops!
[Edited by Moderator: name-calling is disallowed on this site!]

I do believe that BT referenced the indictments and stated “Terror suspects” not guilty nut cases so to get to where she has assumed and stated the guilt of the RWNFs is a leap too far.

The individual that ‘Leads’ the group also had at least two of his sons (one is adopted) involved.

Yea Dad

Dan Riehl finds something about the terrorists to praise.

willyloman sounds like a card carrying member. Hiding in your basement last night willy?

The fascist Representive Peter King defended the asshole who flew his plane into a big gubmint building. An IRS agent, a black man, was killed. The Republican said that the IRS should be abolished. “People are frustrated and angry with the IRS, I can understand these things happening”.

Its funny isn’t it that under the Bush administration, when all those “homegrown terrorists” plots turned out to be just Terrorism Task Force manipulations, the “progressives” knew enough to stand back and let the facts sort themselves out before jumping on the “call them terrorists” Bush Bandwagon.

Yes we stood back and let the facts sort themselves out that does not mean we are going to let the Righties claim they are innocent until the facts come out.
We don’t defend terrorists Right or Left. If the Right wants to defend Terrorists we will attack.
You have no evidence that the FBI is being used for political purposes by Obama the idea the FBI would help an African American President suggests you know nothing of American History.

I guess all those explosives were for golf course gophers? Really WL there is no sane moral defense of these nut cases, there may well be a legal defense but that is a problem for later.

Whether you want to call them terrorists or not is up to you but their actions and threatened actions were indeed terrorist in nature.

You have no evidence that the FBI is being used for political purposes by Obama the idea the FBI would help an African American President suggests you know nothing of American History.

Are you actually suggesting that Obama can’t use the FBI for political purposes… because he is black? remarkable

IOW, it’s a term that gets thrown about to trivialize groups that have grievances; but only those groups whose grievances we don’t like.

Not to mention groups whose color or religion we don’t like.

Only white American conservative males are allowed to have motives, much less grievances.

That’s because they are ignorant. Dubya asked, “Is our children learnin’”.

The answer is – not if the Republicans (now with the complicity of the Democrats) can prevent it.

Willy

I’d ask that the rhetoric be brought down a bit and we view these Hutarees as we would any other individual indicted for conspiracy to murder and sedition.

Nothing very flattering or honoring about conspiring to set an ambush for Law Enforcement AND their families. That’s what these fellows are accused of in the indictment.

If they are found guilty, by a jury of their peers, they need to have their shit stomped, like it’s never been stomped before.

I respectfully submit

You have no evidence that the FBI is being used for political purposes by Obama the idea the FBI would help an African American President suggests you know nothing of American History.

The fact that he thinks this blog is filled with Orahma defenders suggests that he knows nothing about this blog but of course, to a conservative, everything is black or white. Progressive = Orahma supporter, liberal = hippie and so forth.

there is no sane moral defense of these nut cases

well, except for that little “innocent till proven guilty” thing… I guess you are right…

I wonder if we are going to find out, yet again, that an “informant” put them up to it, that an “informant” helped create the plan, that an “informant” put them in touch with a bomb maker…

at this point, to me, I am always very skeptical of stories like this.

Yeah! They saw Caddyshack, they know the correct procedure for dealing with gophers.

The answer is – not if the Republicans (now with the complicity of the Democrats) can prevent it.

and that is absolutely frightening

I am not a so forth, I have never been a so forth and I will never be a so forth….a hippie, sure.

The Right gets angry when ever the FBI starts treating Whites with guns like they treat African Americans.
Sorry Righties but here is some Dark Person advice on the Police…Are You Freakin Nuts!
Cop Killing gets you on the List of every Cop from the FBI on down they don’t care if your White, Christian or Hate Obama.
They will bring you down. They will bring the Heat on everything you do why because if crooks can kill one Cop then without punishment then no Cop feels safe.
I think that if the FBI and the Cops don’t go after you all then your side pulled some strings.

I saw the movie again the other day and laughed just as hard as the first time. Lots of fun but it didn’t make me want to blow up a federal building.

“logical” as coming to America, but

I do not believe these folks use logic as the anti-Christ is post rapture – I do not recall missing the rapture (and I am one of those Christians that notice).

So this Christian militia appears born of the logic of the white supremacists and the good old boys who noticed the gov with black copters building prisons we can not see so as to take away our liberty. If only our plan to fluorinated the water had worked to take away these folks clear vision of our left wing takeover plans.

Can the FEMA concentration camps that Glenn Beck warned about be far behind? Hopefully he can soon report from one himself…as a prisoner.

I wonder if we are going to find out, yet again, that an “informant” put them up to it, that an “informant” helped create the plan, that an “informant” put them in touch with a bomb maker…

If we do, then they simply get to receive their sentence for being incredibly ignorant

If they’re guilty, they’re simply Pond Scum

The FBI spied on Dr King, they spied on Lefties, the organization has a history of racism.
Do you think that just because Obama is President all those racists left their jobs…in this economy?
Do you think the FBI just takes orders regardless of who is President?

The Ku Klux Klan is the original US Christian Milita. Seems that only the costume has changed here.

Can I just point out the tactic that Mr. Loman is using? He has a premise “The liberals are just as bad.” regarding name calling and jumping to conclusions. And so he looks for and finds a part of the over all piece that technically fits his premise, ‘Blue Texan, when writing about what Dan Riehl said uses the word terrorists instead of “alleged terrorists” or “suspects”.

So that proves his premise. The headline and other modifying phrases do not count.

I’ve seen this with people arguing that Jesus would approve of people being armed with guns. “He said get a sword! The sword was the hand gun of the day!” They look at one instance in the whole of the piece to pick out and build there case on that. Never mind the providence of that statement is in doubt and that the “sword” of the day was more like a dagger to cut cheese and bread.

Now the quick way to deal with this is a word change or a modifier of the word. Will that satisfy him? Probably. Because it means that he “won” the discussion. He forced you to change something. He of course wouldn’t admit that he is playing this word parsing game (that’s for people like Bill Clinton!). Or you can go meta (like I just did) and point out how this argument is being parsed to shore up a premise.

I like all the complaining by Dem’s about voice mails etc. and then the only person arrested is arrested for threatening to kill GOPer Eric Cantor and his family.

Those who are not 100% trusting might think these militia raids were done to intimidate the right wing regarding the health care debate.

As for me, if they have the evidence, go get ‘em whoever they are.

But, it might be a bit of profiling.

It’s called cherry picking and it is a well developed right wing tactic along with demands to prove a negative and the false equivalencies that you mentioned.

Jeez-o-man willyloman, WTF do you need as evidence?

Here’s a clue for ya – If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck and if it shits like a duck guess what willyloman – It’s funckin’ duck!

Yeah, yeah I know guilty until proven innocent and all that but these “christian soldiers” were planning to shoot cops in the name of their right-wing batshit crazy religion and the feds have the evidence to prove it.

Sometime lofty ideals can get in the way of rational, deductive, common sense reasoning so don’t get stuck chasing your tail with esoteric bromides aboutr fairness while letting people get killed. Besides, if you want to defend them in court have at it, that’s the American way but please don’t lecture me on this one.

Like the Teabaggers, my minds made up so don’t try and win me over with the “innocent until proven guilty” braying on this one. After the fair trial these assholes get you’ll understand why…

Yup. Or you can tell him that he has a giant “Kick Me” sign on his back.

Agreed.

These people may be guilty of conspiracy or perhaps the case might not stand. When the label of terrorist, in our current political climate, is applied to a person or group suddenly guilty until proven innocent seems to be the only form of communication.

He’s doing the Standard Republican False Equivalency Schtick, which requires him to ignore whole lots of conservative wrongdoing whilst pulling out the electron microscope when perusing liberals.

Can I just point out the tactic that Mr. Loman is using? He has a premise “The liberals are just as bad.”

Good point but he misses motive the FBI has no motive to help an African American President. If they did then all those African Americans on Death Row and Life who the Feds put there under questionable circumstances I assume the Feds will stop opposing their release or pleas for new trials.
After all if the Feds are working with Obama then you have some evidence of that right? You have reasons why the FBI all changed their minds about race?
Something that involves mind control maybe?

The Ku Klux Klan is the original US Christian Milita. Seems that only the costume has changed here.

But it sounds like these Hutarees selected their targets based on what you did for a living, not your race. They didn’t care what your heritage was.

They sound more like anarchists maybe ?

Hmmm “cherry picking” fascinating. You humans really have a way with reducing my long winded Vulcan comments. I tip my fedora to you. :-)

Cherry Picking works best if nobody is around to point out your examples are bull.
The Righties still have not twigged to the fact that the Lefty blogs unlike the Media and the Dems in Washington don’t roll over for anyone!

these “christian soldiers” were planning to shoot cops in the name of their right-wing batshit crazy religion

That’s not all. Before their website came down, there was mention of protecting all believers and “saving” those who weren’t. I think we all know the history of Christian “salvation” of non believers…

Jesus Said “He said get a sword! The sword was the hand gun of the day!”

That would not be knife, Would it?

I would advise youse to continue commenting… ;-)

Conversion by sword?

I think we’re missing the main point of the post, which is how creepy it is that conservatives so often identify with people like David Koresh and Tim McVeigh. They routinely defend these guys, they just can’t help themselves.

Genocide

actually… no… my “premise” isn’t “The liberals are just as bad.”

What I am saying is that under the Bush/Cheney regime, phony “plots and plans” of domestic terrorism were created in order to foster the belief that “homegrown terrorists” were everywhere and we needed to spend billions on Homeland Security to protect America.

But liberals and progressives didn’t buy into it back then because usually it turned out that someone set the whole thing up.

Now guess what?

Now because these are “tea baggers” and “right wing crazies” the liberals and progressives automatically buy right into the same dog and pony show without question, without hesitation.

I’m saying it’s a continuation of the same Bush era policy under a different quise.

Do any of you understand that?

This is just a guess but I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the terrorists are going to have corn nut teeth, hydrocephelus heads, crazy eyes, bad hair, worse facial hair, weak chins, half of them rail thin, the other half big fat slobs. No make that most of them, big fat slobs.

Conversion by sword?

Genocide

Yes.

the “terrorists” work at Wall Street, they wear suits you can’t afford designed by people whos names you can’t pronounce correctly, they devise war plans called “Shock and Awe” in which civilians are targeted on purpose with the express written intent is to completely demoralize public resistance to invasion.

That is the “terrorists”.

I’m saying it’s a continuation of the same Bush era policy under a different quise.

Do any of you understand that?

Yes your arguments on why the FBI would agree to help Obama lack motive though so we are not buying it.
Also the Right is claiming these guys are innocent just because they are on the same side which implies they are acting biased.
We do not defend terrorists right or left but we will demand they get a fair trial.
Now lets see the Righties demand that for terrorists if they are so concerned with innocent until proven guilty.

What of the things that I note is that when Christians want justification for what they want to do they scour the Bible looking for something to back it up. I spoke to two priests, a nun, a bible scholar and a Marynoll lay missioner about that passage. They pointed out all the various issues with it ranging from how authentic it is, translation issues, context questions, 1st Century cultural information and how it can be seen as part of Jesus’ overall sayings.

All in all it’s really just grasping at straw to support what they want to believe.

Do not feed the troll.

Looking at the indictment:

attempted use of weapons of mass destruction

Probably means intending to blow up something. Hopefully means more than making stuff up in order to sound tough.

teaching the use of explosive materials

This is a crime? My dad had a gold claim when I was a kid and we had documentation on how to use blasting caps to touch off the dynamite that he purchased to make holes in the ground. Must be missing something.

At least the rest of it sounds appropriately dangerous.

You still haven’t addressed the threats on THEIR website. You haven’t addressed youtube videos that THEY made of themselves running around with loaded weapons and threatening non Christians. Were those “made up”? See, the difference is that people planning to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge with a cutting torch? Stupid. People threatening non believers with automatic weapons? Dangerous.
Do YOU understand THAT?

Jon Walker has a fresh cross-post up: Budget Reconciliation Instructions: An Incredibly Important, Potentially Powerful Tool for Progressive Change

Not so sure with these guys.

Just read several articles, the Hutarees were working with the same tech that is being used against our boys over in Iraq and Afganastan. IED’s to take out vehicles.

These may have been just ignorant enough to get caught early, and we’re lucky that the Feds did a great job.

I learned that fact in an excellent book, Israel’s Lebanon War, by Ze’ev Schiff and Ehud Ya’ari, published in 1986. Very informative reading. I read it in 1998 and when we invaded Iraq in 2003 I read it again because some of the things I heard about how we were acting Iraq were familiar. Much of what was going on at Abu Ghraib comes straight from IDF treatment of prisoners twenty years ago when Begin and Ariel Sharon were condoning the killing of civilians at Sabra-Shattila.

Except the terrierists sought by the FBI in the Bush era were Earth First, PETA and the wily vegetarians. These guys may be a bit more prone to following through but the dialog around the danger follows the same form. Of course we really don’t know whether the older threat investigations were ever closed either.

I just want to point out that there is no reason on earth for Washtenaw law enforcement to call in a militia group for a search. There are a handful at least of well trained dog handling search and rescue groups in Michigan, two of the groups have extremely well trained dogs. These people (having been one for years) spend huge amounts of money and time to practice and prepare and go out on searches (some in other states), why would anyone in the sheriff’s department (and all the LE know these groups) call out a militia (unless there is a connection between the two, which is truly scary)?
Sorry that this is a bit OT but I really had to comment on it. The photo with the linked article shows that these are not really SAR dogs.

I think we’re missing the main point of the post, which is how creepy it is that conservatives so often identify with people like David Koresh and Tim McVeigh. They routinely defend these guys, they just can’t help themselves.

But then there’s the nine Obama Justice appointees who, to use your words, “defended these guys” (Gitmo detainees). And they REALLY ‘defended’ them.

Or would that be the well developed right wing tactic of cherry picking?

Ben Franklin organized the first US militia in 1747.

Known as the Philadelphia County Associators.

no, actually the “terrorists” in the phony plans during the Bush Era were mainly homeless outcasts who were approached by FBI agents and “organized” into “cells” that planned things like … blowing up a Jewish Synagogue in New York and the famous one where some guys figured they would attack a military base in New Jersey…

I mean, you guys do remember those don’t you? Do you remember that most of these “plots” were usually exposed as being constructs of the “informants” who put all these guys together?

The pattern was always the same… these guys would get caught and then all the accusations would fly on the right-wing websites…

… then sometime later, to much less fanfare, the truth would come out and we would find out that the informant got the weapons, put the plans together, even threatened the people into participating in one case…

and usually the “terrorists” turned out to be people who couldn’t balance their own checkbook, much less storm a military base in Jersey.

You see, the propaganda machine knew it would be easy to convince the right wingers that the homegrown “terrorists” were Muslims…

Just like the propaganda machine knows it is easy to convince the left wingers that the homegrown “terrorists” are from the fanatical right.

See how that works?

Oh my, those folks have gone off the deep end. It’s just plain nuts to defend those who planned to kill policemen. Even if the FBI infiltrated the group and came up with the plan themselves… that wouldn’t somehow make it ok for people to sign on for such a plan.

Of course, we wouldn’t have even half of these militia group problems if there was some kind of balance in talk radio instead of 24/7 right wing nonsense.

Or would that be the well developed right wing tactic of cherry picking?

I don’t call that ‘cherry picking” I call it “Due Process”.

You do understand that lawyers representing people have motivation other than attempting to justify criminal behavior, I do hope.
People writing stuff denying the improper nature of militia members is a rather different bucket of dead fish.

capt, during my misspent youth it wasn’t right wing radio talking about “offing the pigs.”

I’d be careful w/ our approach to right-wing extremists. There’s nothing our government wants more than domestic terrorists to crack down on.

Don’t give the government an excuse to impose controls worse than the PATRIOT Act. Leftists, have a presence of mind! PLEASE!

Don’t give the government an excuse to impose controls worse than the PATRIOT Act. Leftists, have a presence of mind! PLEASE!

That got me to thinking, yes there are some fairly new Federal orgs (Dept Homeland Security) that might be looking to justify their existence, increase their budgets and grow their realm of influence and power.(not saying they would, just that they might be tempted)

thanks – great thought

*snort*

Speaking of seditious conspiracies:

ECU Group’s Philip Manduca “We Are At A Tipping Point” And The Only Thing That May Save The Euro Is A Collapse Of The US.”

Last Thursday on CNBC.

That is not a “Christian” militia.

Yes. There is no doubt in my mind our near authoritarian government would like nothing better than to be able to expand the noun “Terrorist” to include US citizens. After all we are at war with “Terrorism and terrorists.” and they don’t get any civil rights even to life.

That said the line between these militia groups and the tea baggers is only in the overt willingness to use guns. There is no real line separating their respective rhetoric.

That said the line between these militia groups and the tea baggers is only in the overt willingness to use guns. There is no real line separating their respective rhetoric.

I wasn’t even aware of groups like the Hutaree until yesterday. In reading some of their lit, they appear to be revolutionary and again, I wasn’t aware that we had groups like that in the US.

Where have I been …

Here, FYI

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/splc-report-number-of-patriot-groups-militias-surges-by-244-in-past-year

Exactly! Thank you.

I’m not sure if I should thank you or not. I have four groups within 30 miles of my home. All separate movements.

The SPLC article was eye opening but begs the question, Can We Stop THis, How Do We Stop It?

I suspect that if we don’t we’re going to end up with lots of people getting hurt. Especially when you start reading some of their info, there isn’t much room to negotiate with militants who are ‘separatists’.

Quinnipiac University Poll:

Majority of Tea Partyers are women … 55%.

I’ve seen other polls that indicate they skew male.

1) NO.
2) You’ve not proven it. Only posited it, without evidence.

Your glaring lack of evidence to support your outlandish claim that the present issue at hand is just like Bush’Co’s actions is glaring.

I don’t get you yet, your first thing at FDL was a brilliant piggyback to what Mz. Hamsher and EW and a couple others from FDL regarding the neoliberal messaging . . . it really was brilliant. You have a diary up now that’s a good read.

But you go off on tangents in comments TO your diaries, and you are quickly prone to assume ‘attack/defense modes’ in comments IN your diaries or in other posts by other authors.

Your own wordpress forum holds no answers to my puzzlement, either.

I don’t get you, but your manner of commenting leads me to believe THAT’S the impression I should pay attention to, and not your diaries. One of them is a smokescreen, though . . . I wonder of your purpose at FDL.

I’m in no form or fashion a tea-bagger or wing-nut but the timing on these arrests sure is suspicous.

He is “stupider”,,, and dead.

this is from Chris Hedges about his discussion with Cynthia McKinney ( I voted for her by the way, not Obama)

“It is time for us to stop talking about right and left,” McKinney told me. “The old political paradigm that serves the interests of the people who put us in this predicament will not be the paradigm that gets us out of this. I am a child of the South. Janet Napolitano tells me I need to be afraid of people who are labeled white supremacists but I was raised around white supremacists. I am not afraid of white supremacists. I am concerned about my own government. The Patriot Act did not come from the white supremacists, it came from the White House and Congress. Citizens United did not come from white supremacists, it came from the Supreme Court. Our problem is a problem of governance. I am willing to reach across traditional barriers that have been skillfully constructed by people who benefit from the way the system is organized.”

there you go. now that “respected” people like Chris Hedges and Cynthia McKinney are saying the same kind of thing I am, maybe, just MAYBE some here will try and think this through…

… or maybe not.

The Anchorage HQ of the Alaska Democratic Party appears to have been vandalized this past weekend:

Someone vandalized the Alaska Democratic Party headquarters over the weekend, knocking a hole in the front center window of the Midtown office, according to Anchorage police.

It is McVeigh. Look at the date on his booking placard.

It’s pretty hard to find someone more respectable or more worth your vote than Cynthia McKinney, I guess.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/mckinney-katrina-covered-up-5k-executions

People should react to your ideas according to whether they seem worthy, rather than because someone with a recognizable name agrees.

Never happen. Brownshirts serve a useful function by offering goons and psychos a flag under which they may join the chaotic frolic; the follow-on benny is that, once slavering and set loose, they can then be hunted down on camera after simultaneously terrifying the easily shaken American public. Then, yes!–the state security apparatus unleashes an orgy of machine-gun fire for absolution and surcease from terror. (See Rohmer, Ernst.)

Add a heavy backbeat of Fifth Column press, season with Weimar liberals, and voila! Franco Fries with Hitler dressing.

I am more than certain that you would much rather have Obama in the White House than McKinney, of that there is no doubt since Obama has turned out to be nothing more than Bush III.

Obama has the virtue of being relatively sane. I like that in a person commanding a lot of weaponry and since McKinney seems to lack that rather important qualification…

People should react to your ideas according to whether they seem worthy, rather than because someone with a recognizable name agrees.

“should” and “do” are two totally different things though aren’t they? especially when it comes to addressing long standing stereotypical prejudices surrounding the left/right side show which are being exploited to demonize a good number of angry people in this country right now.

nothing wrong with pointing out the fact that someone with a little liberal clout shares a relatively hard too sell point of view.

Hell, your boys did it back in their heyday by planting stories with the New York Times, then refering to the Times to prove their point, right? I believe that was Cheney’s little trick, wasn’t it? Of course, the planted story was a lie, and so was Cheney’s… but that’s old new now isn’t it?

Wiki sez Rohm with an umlaut.

If by “sane” you mean he is going to continue killing people in Afghanistan by continueing Bush’s illegal war…

If by “sane” you mean he is going to continue killing innocent people in Pakistan and Yemen and Somalia with drones…

if by “sane” you mean he is now claiming the authority to kill American civilians because they don’t have enough evidence to try them…

… if that is the measure of “sanity”, as it clearly was during the Bush years, then I see your point.

that certainly isn’t the kind of “sanity” that Cynthia has. Hers comes from a very different place.

Hers comes from a very different place.

yeah, willy, the kind of place where you get up and claim that 5,000 prisoners were shot in the head and dumped in the swamps of Louisiana under orders of the Department of Defense and they did it under cover of a hurricane.

and that’s enough about McKinney. I return to telling you to let your ideas speak for themselves. Although I do understand invoking others to buttress, ultimately ideas stand or fall on perceived merit.

They were simply practicing their Constitutionally-guaranteed rights — to attack and attempt to destroy the ideological fabric of the U.S. Constitution.
Some of the elements of their philosophy parallel those of Charles Manson with his plans for Helter Skelter. Luckily, this time the kooks were stopped before there were any innocent victims (at least as far as we know.)

Classical Values isn’t a right-wing blog, and its author isn’t an “Anti-Terror Warrior”. The quote from CV was written before the author had learned of other developments in the story. Since then, he has updated the post you linked to and clarified his position — which isn’t pro-militia at all, by the way.

If firedoglake wishes to be a respectable blog, I suggest they make the effort to understand and accurately represent the other blogs they link to.

Ignorant fools at CNN: it’s not “Indianan”, it’s “Hoosier”.

Right, it’s a “moderate” site that links to Don Surber, Flopping Aces and Atlas Juggs, and is hosted by Pajamas Media.

Uh-huh.

Yes, of course that is Timothy McVeigh—did everyone think that was a current mug shot of one of the Hutaree Christian Militia? Didn’t anybody notice the date on the mug shot card: April 19, 1995? That was 15 years ago.

It was reported that the Hutaree Militia was planning their attack for sometime in April, ext month—that’s why the FBI had to act now. Care to take a guess which anniversary they were planning to “celebrate”?

McVeigh himself was “celebrating” April 19, 1775 when British and American soldiers (the Minutemen) exchanged fire in the Massachusetts towns of Lexington and Concord starting the War of Independence aka the American Revolutionary War.

Domestic Terrorists always see themselves as “patriotic” — hiding behind the bible wrapped in the flag…

“well, except for that little “innocent till proven guilty” thing… I guess you are right…

I wonder if we are going to find out, yet again, that an “informant” put them up to it, that an “informant” helped create the plan, that an “informant” put them in touch with a bomb maker…

at this point, to me, I am always very skeptical of stories like this.”

The logic for the day DOES seem to be:

- Obama can’t use the FBI for political purposes because he’s black

and

- The white guys can’t be set up by informants because they’re white.

It is interesting that the synagogue bombing plot in NYC, set up by informants as acknowldged by even the NYT, and this particular “militia” both revolve around religious fanatacism.

Meanwhile, when the red staters take to the streets of their own accord because someone planned a “town meeting,” we hear all the usual homegrown taxes and socialism yadda yadda we’ve been getting for the past 40.

The black people who were set up to “bomb” the synagogue in NY insisted that they would not parrot any anti-muslim ideology. They were only doing it for the money. Michigan, meanwhile, has one of the–if not the–highest long term unemployment problems.

Yup, I definitely think I’ll wait and see what comes out on this one.

Also, Bluetexan is so an Obamarahma apologist, with a proclivity for the culture war.

I forgot to mention, besides the April 19th anniversaries, there’s the double Hitler anniversaries of Adolf’s birth and death: 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945.

Plenty in April for right-wingers to “celebrate”

Sorry, post 20 should read:

the black people the government set up to “bomb” the NY synagogue refused to parrot the anti-JEWISH ideology the government was soliciting. They were only doing it for the money.

I imagine it’s easier, in the US, to get an anti-MUSLIM parrot, for a whole multi-tribal host of reasons.

Then again, maybe they just parroted it all on their own.