White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Thursday that this will be the last supplemental spending request for the wars. The administration has already earmarked $130 billion for military operations next year, but officials have said they do not want that funding tagged “emergency.”
“The honest budgeting and appropriations process that the president has talked about falls somewhat victim to the fact that this is the way that wars have been funded previously,” Gibbs said. “So we can’t wait until the appropriations process is done in … August or September to fund operations in Iraq and Afghanistan in June.”
And suddenly a lot of the members of Congress who had opposed war supplementals in the past and promised not to vote for another one, decided “just this one last time” to go along.
Well guess what, even though “the … Congress has approved [$128.3 billion] for war-related expenses in fiscal 2010,” there’s a new war supplemental being prepared. This time it’s for $33 billion and while originally proposed for passage around Memorial Day, Sec Def Gates is now pushing to move up approval of the latest blank check.
At the same time “congressional defense committees will continue to be enmeshed in hearings on the Pentagon’s request for a $548.9 billion base budget and $159.3 billion in war funding for FY ’11, which begins Oct. 1.”
The drumbeat for the added funds moved into high gear with the president’s surprise visit to Kabul this morning. Expect a lot more – from reports of “success” from the hyped up battle for Marjah to an upcoming big fight for Kandahar. With so much cash on the line, the sales pitch is sure to be quite loud – and irresistable to a congress who once again will break their promises to stop these off budget supplementals.



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Where’s the money coming from? Does anyone care enough to ask what the impact on the deficit will be?
I’m sure we’ll see the defenders of Pay/Go, Coburn and Bunning, filibustering this off-budget war supplemental, since it isn’t paid for. Oh, what’s that? They only filibuster things the MIC doesn’t want, like unemployment insurance and COBRA extensions?
Silly Masaccio! There’s always money to bail out banks and buy new tanks!
I knew this would happen.
Pelosi said that was her hardest whipping/vote she had to do. And they’re going to make it happen again?
It’s insane.
I’ll be waiting to see what Paul Ryan and Jeb Hensarling have to say. They will probably have a plan originating from the vaunted “Republican Study Group” which will eliminate all future Social Security Checks, effective next Month, until the entire $159.3 billion price tag is paid off. A win win…
Keeps the little people desperate and hungry enough to enlist in greater numbers.
Uncle Sam wants you! to kill for food and a job.
hi siun,
very disturbing video. given how many journalists have been killed, starkey’s fortunate to be alive. this is what our tax dollars are paying for. murdering civilians, men, women and children wantonly.
and, if we weren’t doing this, we could clean up our own mess here at home. feh!
Are any of these dollars going to fund abortions?
/Stupak
Maybe she won’t be able to make it happen this time.
I hope so. Wouldn’t that be something?
I know I’m just dreaming. Nonetheless…
The war making industry: Too big to fail…
Probably as a direct result of the I-35W collapse, Milwaukee and Wisconsin moved on thisCracks force abrupt closure of Zoo Interchange bridge
This is a huge deal and suddenly everyone is looking at Republican and Democratic Governors who borrowed from the Bridge construction budget to pay for other stuff.
With unemployment going north, I have no idea how Barry thinks he will get Dems to vote for this. We need to work with Ron Paul and the Tri-Caucus and MAKE him pull out of the Middle East. It will not be difficult to get FDLers to make calls about this.
It also runs smack into the the pond scum known as deficit hawks.
I think we have around 65,000 troops there now (am I even close?)
I’m also having a bit of a problem identifying the actual amount of dollars we’ll be spending there in 2010, but let’s assume $300B.
That’s roughly $4.5 million per trooper/year.
At least somebody’s making a decent living /s
I wonder how many broken promises we could generate on this one if we only tried.
How will they pay for it? Or will repukes suddenly not be worried about the deficit?
Now, now, I’m surprised at all of you! Orahma is BETTER than Bush! But then Leprosy is better than Necrotizing fasciitis…
Well we know Orahma is a fascist, communist, socialist, hitler, pol pot, stalin, loving totalitarian. /s
It’ll be marketed as a “jobs program” or “stimulus”. It’s all in the label, after all.
I don’t want to try. I needed happy pills after HCR.
Maybe I need to stop reading the news and stopping here at FDL.
I sometimes wonder If others struggle with this stuff as I do.
It’s like being in an abusive relationship, and there’s no place to go …
I wish he was a socialist. I really do. Maybe he wouldn’t have left single payer completely off the table.
I just want to have a beer with Obama.
if history is any indicator at all, they won’t worry an iota if it’s for the war
Deficits be dammed
Word! That’s the irony. We all know he leans pretty far right.
Peg, sorta on topic – you should do your DADT post on The Seminal. Just saying…
Maybe the progressives will stand on principle for once.
But fAIL Boeing did on the invisible fence
I wonder how they do that, get paid even when they fail
The Pentagon is too big to fail, I guess.
They really could. People are so sick of the wars, AND the money spent on them.
:)
Nice work.
That number is just stunning.
How much could we save if drugs were just legalized? Terrorists, cartels, prisons, court costs…
I have five children. So far one has finished higher ed, two are studying now and two more in K12.
Makes me want to just puke and scream , when I sit down and figure out how many children could have been fed and clothed in poor nations, and how many kids here in the US could have ALL their higher ed completely paid for.
Oh – i’m with you there Loo, and I don’t even drink …
nothing, absolutely nothing was learned from prohibition
let’s just empower additional international criminal enterprises with enough power, weapons and wealth that we’re able to measure their size in GDP ..
Can I scream and puke again?
You think? I don’t know if it’s good enough for that. Besides, I have no idea how.
Others struggle as well. But what are you going to do? I end up taking little breaks and then jumping back in because I can’t just not do anything. I am getting kind of excited about micro-economics and community building. I need some kind of plan to keep me thinking I can make a difference and heaven knows it’s not looking good on the national front. Maybe I can make things a little better in my own little corner of the world, though.
Believe me, most of us do. I most assuredly do. I’ve found that sometimes I have to step back and take a Saint Francis of Assisi moment. Otherwise I end up hating everybody. It’s no shortcoming to be happy, without maintaining some sense of perspective one risks becoming just another bitter, unpleasant person.
One more Promise broken I think college loans might be the only promise Obama has kept.
Billions for war, Billions for banks, and soon billions of our cash t pay for crappy healthcare.
Yes, it IS.
*emphatically says DO IT*
THanks PaulaT !
THanks !
Does the Army fund abortions?
Are you adding in the number and cost of the Mercs?
I just looked and it doesn’t look difficult. Maybe I will. Thanks for the suggestion. :-)
Debt spending expect the dollar to go lower in value.
The figures I used are the published ones for DoD.
I believe that the CIA and State are separately funded …
If the health of the mother is at stake, emphatically yes. All four services and the Coast Guard do.
Funny then that the Anti abortion Dems and GOPers won’t stop the money then.
Yes, isn’t it? They’ll demagogue about the rest of us though, no problem.
So just what does this money buy us another year in Iraq and Afghanistan as if that will stop both countries from going into civil war after we leave?
Another year of remote controlled airplanes trying to get Ossama in his cave?
I don’t see any plan for success here.
We can use this to run campaign commercials aimed at prolifers.
I wonder how the military and their families feel about another year of war?
Most of us could retire comfortably on what Obama’s quick jaunt to Afghanistan cost taxpayers.
masaccio asked at #1 where the money for the wars was coming from. This is the dirty secret of our government. For tax cuts for the rich, Wall Street bailouts, and its own imperial wars, the money is always there. It is only when it is for jobs, healthcare, education, and Social Security that the money can not be found.
Arrest Henry Louis Gates.
The wars have cost about $1 trillion so far. The Social Security Trust Fund is currently valued at about $2.4 trillion.
Not even a year – this is just funding until the fall when FY11 begins.
So in the fall they will need more money?
Got to make sure the finance and war industries remain viable for all time.
If they can keep the wars going for another 20 years they can use the children of those who’ve been made a part of the permanent underclass of the unemployed as cannon fodder to keep the wars going for another generation. A combination of 1984 and Soylent Green.
If they just wait another ten years fathers who joined after 9/11 can serve with their kids.
In the Fall, they will get their annual most of the entire budget…
We can’t afford this if the banks and the Fed were not doing funny bookkeeping we could not afford it now.
Its an election year lets target the yes votes today and make them pay in the fall.
Even the Tea Baggers want the government to create jobs.
I’m aware of guys in the State Guard that had young families when they joined after 9/11.
Their sons and daughters are serving now also, different outfits.
mr and mrs charles grainer: a missed opportunity to check it out.
I’m already most likely not voting major party this election except for my rep who consistently votes against war funding and those abominable supplementals.
yes
*she said, raising her hand*
Kids who were in middle school when we started protesting are high school graduates now.
Nobody thinks unemployment will go down before the election. Nobody thinks we will win in Iraq or Afghanistan nobody thinks both countries won’t go into civil war after we leave.
Money can’t buy us victory but it can buy us jobs.
looks like I’m being moded for some reason.
what’s up?
Same here but I’m not sure where I’ll be living come election day.
sounds kind of familiar … from a time a long long time ago
Yes those kids probably can’t remember a time when we were not at war.
Good! Prime age to go fight. /snark
any special coping skills you can pass on?
I bet Obama and the GOP go Rah Rah about the wars but stay quiet about any plans to win the wars all we are doing is a stalemate.
Many of them are. Only job in town.
I’m still waiting, and hoar frost is hanging off my beard.
Not having to deal with being called a pussy by neocons before the 2010 elections. That’s what another year buys. And then a couple more to get through 2012 and it’s well worth it. We’re so lucky that Obama thinks this way so that we can keep those evil Republicans from taking over again and keeping us mired in endless wars, spied on at home, putting the rich above the middle class, etc.
You are so Funny PaulaT !!!
come wait inside. there’s a nice cozy spot over here by the fire.
Hello Moderator
I think I’m being moded, but I don’t know why – What’s up?
Getting called a Pussy by NeoCons after all the bad advice they gave Bush over the years is a worry?
If anything I want them on tv talking about the war. Every Network has pulled back on their war coverage with Fox pulling back the most.
The war is unpopular viewers turn it off. Apparently after 8 years of happy talk about how we can win the war if we just hang in there for another Friedman Unit has gotten stale.
Anybody else remember ’70-’71 ?
Similar thing happened then, problem is once the coverage stops, really, really bad things can happen when the press stops covering it …
Metaphorically, I’d be glad to come in, and let me augment that with a nice Islay or a glass of fine cabernet.
Thanks, Siun, again, for keeping us up to date on these issues.
One can only speculate why it is American HCR is debated for a year with expansive and circle back after circle back on the cost of doing too much.
This same Congress shovels hundreds of billions upon billions on these wars in Asia — where is the long strung out debate about the cost of it?
President Obama is as imperial as the Texan he replaced.
This American Empire — and it is Empire — is in Asia to do imperialism.
Where is the raging month after month debate over this imperialism?
American HCR was boxed in over and over on the costs. The costs!
American Empire on the other hand — does not get debated. Just open ended funded.
The Pentagon? The CIA? The imperialism they represent? Where do they ever get put to the floor and forced to face the costs? Where?
President Obama is taking up where G.W.Bush left off in Iraq. In Afghanistan. In Pakistan. He is a imperialist. POTUS of American Empire.
When the POTUS flies into Afghanistan does he request permission from the President of Afghanistan? Or being defacto ruler does the American POTUS just fly into Afghanistan at will? And then proceed to lecture the POA regarding how the Imperial POTUS wants Afghanistan ruled or to fall into line.
Barack Obama perhaps thinks he is Exceptional. The historical imperial American who flies in to instruct the “savage native” as to how to effect good government. For surely we know in WashingtonDC the light of day shines in on all governance and matters of governance.
How imperial of Obama to give his puppet in Kabul good American advice on good governance. As the Americans have demonstrated in Iraq so well.
What about Obama’s AHIP/PhRMA HCR buy in/sell out? Any corruption? Any smell of insiders benefit sought or tilting the outcome to effect insiders gain? Barack Obama hardly has earned high marks on his “quality” of governance as seen in how he put the the fix in for AHIP/PhRMA HCR win.
But being Exceptional he feels empowered to fly to Kabul to lecture Karzai.
How Imperial.
yes, i do believe we have a nice glass of Islay for you. and you’ll be in lots of good company with all the rest of us waiting.
and thank you so much for all your good work too.
Thank You – Well Said !
evidently I said something that stroked someone the wrong way ….
constant ‘awaiting moderator approval’ on all posts …
Thank you.
Did anyone watch the video?
Politicos operating and tasking military wartime operations in a civilian population center. I believe this has happened in every war, armed conflict, police action or peacekeeping effort.
And why can’t we stop it this time?
I don’t wish to rain on your parade (really, I don’t), but I’ve got a Rep. who campaigned in 2006 with the pledge that she would not vote for any more funding that did not include a withdrawal time-table. She unexpectedly won, then broke that pledge two months after taking office, when her vote was needed to pass the next supplemental.
As we just saw with health-care ‘reform’, TALKING progressive doesn’t mean squat unless you’re willing to VOTE progressive WHEN IT COUNTS (not just when your vote won’t make any difference). And I don’t know if there’s a single Democrat in Congress who can pass that test.
Of course there’s a place to go: it’s just not a pleasant one.
I think perhaps I’ll start making it a point after each new betrayal to remind people of how much better we are continuing to vote for these bastards rather than biting the bullet and voting Republican to kick them the hell out and create a vacuum which more deserving representation can fill. After all that’s what so many people keep telling me when I suggest that alternative, so I guess they must be right.