One of the interesting things about becoming part of Greater West Blogistan, in the census district of Firedoglake, is that we get to know one another in a rather one-dimensional way. We all make assumptions about interests because after all, we’re all here.
There are parts of our lives that we feel comfortable revealing and parts that remain undiscussed because..well, they just don’t come up. Although I think a lot of you have some basic ideas about who I am and what I do (at least in the persona of Aunt Toby at Chez Siberia), there are parts of me that I haven’t discussed a lot.
Music is very important to me. I was one of those kids who was nailed to a piano bench at the age of five and worked my way through the exercise books until my parents allowed me to throw in the towel at the age of 13. I did the usual school choral music groups in school and college but always felt that I’d missed out because a) I really could not read music very well and b)playing piano is sort of a solitary deal. I always wanted to be in the high school band.
In any case, for reasons I’m not going to get into here, I decided at the age of 49 to take up the fiddle (actually what I wanted to take up was Uillean bag pipes but could find neither pipes nor a teacher near us, so I did the next best thing, I took up the fiddle instead). Now anyone who has actually taken violin lessons will be looking at that photo at the top and will be saying to themselves, “She’s got tape on the neck – she’s a beginner….”
Yep. I’m a beginner. I’ve been working at this on and off for 8 years and I’m still using the violin version of training wheels. It’s ok. I knew right from the get-go that with my hearing loss, hitting notes spot-on was going to be a challenge. I also knew that with the amount of arthritis I’ve got (which was not so bad when I started but is a whole lot worse now), the chances of my being able to play “Orange Blossom Special” at speed were non-existent. But both of those things have not stopped me from learning and playing, both with my teacher and with groups of other fiddlers.
One of the reasons I got into this was to play with other people. I was absolutely astonished to see when my kids were in school and in the school band that none of them got together to just…play. If they didn’t have music and music stands and someone to give them the ‘and a one..” they had no clue what to do. One of my big reliefs in taking lessons is that my teacher teaches the traditional way, by playing a phrase and having the students play it back, which really played (ha) into my one talent: I actually have a pretty good musical ear. As long as my hearing aid is functioning well, then I can pick things up.
Once I’ve played them a few times, I can remember them. I’m much faster at learning to play by ear than trying to read music. That helps me play with other people – as does having a basic group of tunes that every fiddler seems to know, no matter where they are from.
A couple of years ago, I came across an interesting piece of research that had been done at the Eastman School of Music in Rochester, New York, using folks over the age of 60, in terms of playing music. As an experiment, they took a group of people (they had put a little story in the local paper looking for interest), some of whom had never played an instrument in their lives, tested them on the basis of many things: memory, physical flexibility, personality profiles, and so on. They then gave them the opportunity to join a group and learn to play an instrument of their choice.
Some people came with whatever they could dig out of a family member’s closet; other people scrounged around or rented instruments. They met once a week and learned to play basic stuff (and we’re talking things at the level of “Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star”).At the end of the year, the group was tested again and they found that on all measures, physical, medical, psychological, memory, almost every person, no matter what their age, had improved tremendously.
In large part it was because it gave people something to do, a place to go and a feeling of accomplishment but the members of the group, which became known as New Horizons Band, started to make arrangements to go to one anothers’ homes and practice, meet up for lunches and so on. They gave a concert at the end of the season. It was a huge success. People arranged their vacations and trips to Florida around being in the Rochester area to play and practice with their friends. This group is now a huge, world-wide organization. New Horizons
Music is great stuff. It’s uplifting, it’s fun, it gives you entre to many other activities which are fun and good for you, such as dancing. If you have ever thought, “Gee, I wish I could play xxx” or “Gee, I should take out my xxxx and dust it off” – do it. You’ll be amazed how much fun you can have.
I’ll leave you with a couple of things – the first features my teacher, Laurie Hart, who is playing a Swedish keyed fiddle called a nykelharpa, and a Swedish folk group called Vasen. It’s a little bit different – but the world is filled with wonderful music.



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Good evening Toby!
Evening to you, too, Egreg!
All music is wonderful and the heart sings along. Thanks for this post.
w00t! late night fidl’n!
Good evening Toby, what a wonderful post!
Evening to everyone. I came into the fiddling front door through Celtic music, but along the way through my teacher, I discovered and have played music from Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Brittany and French Canada. And no, I still don’t know how to play “The Orange Blossom Special” OR “The Wabash Cannonball.”
lol @ the piratebay intro XD
Hey, Teddy –
hey toby — orange blossom special
funny d lent me a viola to try to take up again — haven’t played since i was in 8th grade. i put it to my shoulder and the horrible noises that came out made me put it down again.
i’m gonna have to check out what viola lessons there are for an old arthritic woman around here. thanks for the inspiration
How cool is that!
Anyone here Contra Dance? My teacher dragged me to the annual humungo-dance thing in Saratoga Springs, NY (every year in February), called Dance Flurry. Dancing 24/7.
Tips on finding a teacher: don’t bother with elementary schools. Ask around the folk or traditional music people in your area if there is anyone who works with adults. Adults have very different needs than kids. I lasted exactly three lessons with my first teacher, who was an elementary school music instructor. After he offered to teach me “Meet the Flintstones” I knew I was with the wrong person.
I play piano mostly by ear too. I can read music after a fashion, just not well or fast. I too really wanted to be in the band at school.
Here I am in bluegrass country; wonder what I could learn to play?
I found my flute this week while sorting stuff. Your post is probably a sign of some kind :)
Treble clef sign, perhaps
The best findings as far as I am concerned: lowered blood pressures, better cholesterol, less depression.
i would love to play meet the flintstones (laughing) i’m a’scared of that serious classical music (laughing)
My musical talents are very limited. I can sit on the radio and pick my nose.
I was once a musician, composer, producer and all the rest, and I gave up all the instruments I knew to play the instrument I wanted to play most – myself – with the people I wanted to play with most – the world.
And now every moment of life is music, and we all make it together.
Margot..you can still play piano! Best piano playing I ever heard, actually was on Cape Breton Island, NS – those folks rock!
I took up singing in my late 30′s. Five years later I started singing opera. It was a great part of my life for years.
Suz..just think of one song you want to learn. When I first contacted Laurie, she asked me to bring my cds to the first meeting so that she could figure out what I liked. Remember, as an adult, you have a lifetime of music inside your head,which really helps the learning process.
I bought my daughter a baby grand when she was 11 and it came with lessons.
I took up singing at 40. Had it on the list of things to do “later” – figured that was as good a time as any.
OFG — hehehe..I met a guy like you up on Cape Breton Island – he’d made a career from playing the spoons!
True, but it’s kinda solitary. Would love to get together with people and play.
Come down to Sautee Georgia. They have contra dancing every Saturday night in the summers.
My uncle had a fiddle that had been in the family we knew not how long. He was much in demand fiddling at square dances in Texas and Oklahoma in the early days. When he died family discovered the fiddle went back many centuries to either Scotland before the Scots were moved to Ireland and eventually made it here or Ireland.. I think they sold it but I love to think of and remember his wonderful fiddling. The DNA came along with the fiddle.
Way cool – I took voice lessons in high school and college – my greatest skill was in being put in the back of church choirs since I could sing in tune and was so loud that I dragged everyone with me.
you know what might work for you? Button accordian – small, easily carried and you can play everyone on it..celtic music folks love it. And you never know who has one stashed in a closet someplace.
Just read YOUR post, not the comments (catching up). *G*
Music! Play By Ear!
Deaf!
Hated lessons!
Like playing with people!!!!
Aside from wanting to sing and pick to lead a song, playing with others is my ONLY reason to learn, and keep learning!!! You’ve tapped into my heart, Awnty Toby!!!
Dang ya!!! ;-)
Great post, great personal share, great lessons to be shared!!!
Hmmm, fiddle are ya? Red Haired Boy? Cherokee Shuffle? Some Vassar, some Stephane for sure, Bobby Hicks, Stuart Duncan, John Hartford . . . and all them guys like Chubby Wise from Bob Wills bands!!!
And the Irishman and Irishwomen, and the Celts, and in the past 20 years, the Cape Briton Sound (from Nova Scotia bounds) that gave forth Natalie McMaster and so many more!!!!
Pick one, pick the key, I’ll follow on dobro and if we find a git and mando to step in, I’m buyin the pints!!!!!
*G*
Wow..that’s some story. Here’s another: When I got my first decent fiddle, it was brand new and when I played, it sounded dreadful. My teacher showed me that even when she played it, it did not sound really great. Then she allowed me to play her fiddle that she had gotten from another fiddler – even I, “Meet the flinstones” could make a decent sound. She said that the actual playing of the instrument aligns the wood fibers and makes the sound better, so the more the instrument has been played, the more music there is IN it. So, buying a well used fiddle means you are halfway there.
THat is a great idea!
Edit: One of my favorite musicians is Flaco Jimenez, a legendary accordian player.
Cape Breton music is really interesting; it’s a real snapshot in time because the people came over before the whole 19th century middle Europe ‘waltz/schottisch’ influence took over. So if you want to really hear what Scottish music sounded like before the clearances, Cape Breton music is the place to go. It’s also way percussive — the attack on the bow is really hard and jazzy — that’s why piano is the favorite accompaniment – the players pound on the keys and stamp one foot.
I did something rather similar to that today. Bought a hula hoop. I thought-no problem. Can’t keep the damn thing up for more than a New York second. Think I will take up the guitar instead.
I’m going to assume that Jimenez is from the Texas/Hispanic/German thing, right?
Yes, the Tex-Mex polka style music.
Larue – that nyckelharpa you see in the videos is an instrument that dates from the 13th century (what they are playing there is the modern version that was resurrected in thwe 1920s), but technologically, it comes from the same philosophy as resonator guitars: the Swedes were trying to figure out a way to make the damn thing louder. It has two courses of strings, one on the bottom and one on top that get played. As you play the top ones, the underneath ones resonate and make the whole sound louder.
Actually, there is a whole school of Mariachi where they play violin – it’s strictly a northern Mexico thing, I( think.
hey baby que paso
That fiddle sounded pretty wonderful to me as a child. I was in middle school before I discovered that there was music for violins that isn’t jigs and reels..
I wish I had more of the history of that side of the family. But I imagine that it was one of the few treasures they had for many generations and I like to fantasize the efforts they went to to preserve it and pass it down. I really hated it that his daughters sold it,
Something to look for in your local area would be places where small groups get together and play. You’d be amazed at who is jamming out there. Don’t be shy. Many teachers have ties to jamming groups and if you have contra or other dancing with live music in your area,that means that there are musicians available that you can ask.
I want a keyboard with spinet-sized keys – I don’t have big hands that need full-sized keys. I’d even retrieve the music books that I took over to a friend’s – she has an electronic piano (which mostly gathers stuff, AFAICT).
used to play clarinet (and still have the music books) but quit because I developed asthma. Gave the instruments to a Louisiana school district after Katrina; they needed clarinets more than I did.
My mother’s piano is, AFAIK, at my brother’s place. It’s a just-postwar job with an aluminum soundboard: won’t warp or rot, but will never sound as good as spruce. It was good enough for plinking on as a kid, though, and she got teach-yourself-able books for us.
Just checking up here . . .
Crooked Still, Rushad Eggleston On Cello
He left the band, but the new cello dude is a hoss, too . . . I been lucky and seen Aoife O’Donovan and Crooked Still three times or more at Berry Fest, with Rushad . . . once at a bluegrass fest without.
They are great!!!
*G*
That really is a sorrow because that instrument was filled with music and of course, every person who played it also filled it with their emotions too, so it was filled with a lot of love as well.
One of the reasons I started taking lessons (and this sounds bass ackwards I realize)is that I had read about fiddle camps and wanted to go to one but not embarrass myself in the beginner class. My family wanted to go on vacation to the beach (which, sorry to say, I am not fond of), so I found a workshop on Cape Breton Island. They got to go to the beach…and I got to fiddle with Buddy McMaster, Richard Green and a bunch of other people. We had a fantastic time.
Hey PJ – go for it! Let us know if you get a keyboard.
Another source of instruments is to keep your eye and ear out for school districts that frankly (and sadly)decide that they can only do band and have to get rid of the orchestra instruments. I met a lady once who had been the string teacher for a local school district that did that and she had the whole orchestra in storage and was trying to find buyers for all the instruments.
Heh, I’ve sang along for ever since my preteens to radio.
I started to sing out loud when I bought an appalachian dulcimer, knew 5 songs, all modal, for 30 years.
I bought a dobro, and another one, and discovered what I knew, I’d have to learn chromatic music.,
And I started to sing out loud, all them songs from before.
I’m not opera by any means, nor good. But I enjoy that I know lyrics start to finish of old 60′s rock hits, 20′s and 30′s blues and jazz tunes, and lately tons of blue and new grass songs.
And it’s fun to sing, and try and fit with others with the harmony thangs.
It’s fun to learn. I’m delighting in it all.
I have NO desire to learn the classical mode, or to read musics, the charts are all written in numbers anyways, in the studios. *G*
Learning the scales in all the keys is another thing, entirely, and consumes me daily.
*G*
I would die to be able to sing opera for a year.
Well, did she tell you about the luthiery required to set up a good instrument?
The need for the bridge, the nut, the string height, the truss rod (if there’s one), the fret wiring, the build of the instrument (are the frets laid out correctly per mathematics? and that sort of thangs?).?
Larue – one of the things my teacher does – is make sure her students all learn 6-8 really popular tunes in every traditional type. So, if you are going to do American country, you’ll get “Soldier’s Joy” et al. If you are going to do Irish, you’ll get “Cliffs o’ Mohar” etc. Just so, even if the student is not too experienced, if they go someplace and end up with some folks who want to jam, they’ve got a half dozen things they can actually participate in rather than having to sit out all the time.
Now yer talkin history and theory . . . *G*
YES!
I”m askonzed!! Just ask Ron, he knows how to hold a hula . . . I think . . *G*
Paddy Keenan
Uileann Pipes
Nope; she gave me the name and phone number of a guy north of us here who deals in all sorts of instruments because I’ve got short arms and needed a 3/4 or 7/8 size. I happened to get lucky that he’d gotten a bunch of 3/4 sized fiddles in (from kids who’d grown big enough to graduate to a full sized instrument), so that I could go up and try a few.
Flaco Jiminez!
Not Great Sound, But That’s Flaco As A Kid!
He’s in his 70′s now, and was a prominent player with Doug Sahm, Augie Meyers, Freddie Fender in the Texas Tornados, which is another youtube google you can do to hear about Flaco.
Flaco is the hoss, as far as I’m concerned, amongst gringos.
NONE is better.
OK, folks; I have to head on out; thanks so much for stopping by.
I learned to play the guitar lap steel/Jeff Healy style cause my hands are small.
g’nite toby
The Cunningham brothers, Phil and Johnny! We cried at Johnny’s death. Phil, still great! Toby, you go girl!
Didn’t watch the vid . . . as a dulcimer player, and somewhat of a historian at one point in college, I know that the use of drone strings came from the orient, but the Norweigan’s and Swede’s and Lapps and such had instruments that played on the drone nature of music.
Langelik, is one of the earlier Northern European instruments to resemble a dulcimer. It came from a Chinese instrument I forget the name of, and I’d have to go dig up my college paper to find out about.
I’ve seen at fests out here lots of bowed wierd instruments from glockenspheils to the kind you refer to in the vid (can’t see it, too dark of color in the vid).
Music is grand, it’s spread all over, and has lots of flavors, yes. *G*
for fun… thanks for sharing
Ok. fine, you cut to the one I shoulda found . . .
PERFECT TEX MEX!!!!
Sus, ya rawhk!!!!
Buddy McMaster? Richard Greene?
For those who don’t know, Buddy is the father I think? of Natalie McMaster, violinist internationale and Brittany McMaster, celloist master extronaidre.
Richard Green was the original fiddler in Old And In The Way, before Vassar Clements joined and the band cut the albums live at The Boarding House in ’71 over four nights.
Richard Greene was also in the band SeaTrain, with Peter Rowan, a sanger and git player with Bill Monroe And The Blue Grass Boys, and the sanger and git rhythm player in Old And In The Way.
These details count, you all should know them . . . it’s the history that lives in the music, as Awnty Toby has chronicled in her camp with Mr. McMaster and Richard Greene.
The history and the music is GRAND!!!!! *G*
Thanks Awnty Toby, I’ve really enjoyed this one!! Musics!!! *G*
I just finished a book called “The Cello Suites”, by Eric Siblin. He first heard Bach’s Suites for Cello Solo at a music recital. Inspired by what he heard, he researched the music’s history. The result is an informative and entertaining book that interweaves the biographies of J.S Bach and the cellist Pablo Casals, who is widely credited for lifting the Suites to their present world-wide fame. The book is an enlightening and inspiring read, and the music… well, it will change you for the better.
I’d die to sing that well for a decade if I could sit in with my heroes in the blue, new, and americana grass genre.
To be able to sing soprano, hi tenor, hi baritone, tenor, baritone, and bass?
I’d be rich, and I’d be happy till I died with that music.
Only a few can do that . . . especially the soprano, hi tenor, hi baritone and tenor . . . .
John Duffey could. Google him up on youtube, if ya wanna hear a voice.
Spend some time with all his works, look for ‘The Boatman’ especially.
*G*
That’s some good schoolin for the jam circuit!!! She’s a keeper!!!!
Tommy Makem HeartBreaks
And if yer asking me, about dulcimers, well lassies and laddies, if this don’t make ya dance and cry, ya have no hearts.
Richard N Mimi Do Tommy Makem
A great thread, thanks Toby, niters . . .
Thanks Larue. I will check him out.
Company just left so I thought I would check in.
Nice story about taking up the violin Toby. I took up the piano at around 30 because I wanted to play the organ.
I never left the piano.
You and I are both blessed with a musical ear and for that I am grateful. I can strike a few notes on the keyboard, here something happening then let it lead me where it will until I literally run out of notes, that is I have no more to say.
And if I try to repeat it…good luck! It’s awful!
Pablo Casals was also a composer, having composed some vocal works for the church. They are very compelling.
I play guitar. Not professorially, but for over 40 years (with loooong breaks). I think I would die if I couldn’t play. It reminds me of being a human being and blocks out all the bullshit. I am so glad I stuck with it and would encourage anybody with the slightest inclination (or without) to try to learn an instrument. It’s the best thing I have ever done with my life.
hey chophouse — welcome to fdl.
Hey, welcome.
Join us for tunes in Late Late!
Thanks for your diary Toby. I am a lurker here at the lake and, also a drummer. I know “drummers ain’t musicians” as I have heard all my life, yet I can relate to the truth that practice is solitary and performing together transcends all divisions. peace
hey kenergenx — welcome to the lake
thanks suzanne…just perusing the great journalism and comments(and listening to Mike Malloy) Also was wondering if you all could hold more events including us shy “lurkers”
come on upstairs (the next post) we are doing music for late late nite — tonight is the rolling stones and there are some great tunes in the comments — and lurkers are always welcome :)
Heartily seconded, Toby.
;>)
Good for you, Toby, on your violin and fiddle studies! Maybe you’d find this science re music is good-for-you (http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart-music-research.html) interesting. Because of entrainment, music is also good for the listeners. There’s a reason the opera greats say “opera is love.” So, support music and, even better, liveLIVE music!!
Als thought you’d like this Breton fiddle by Mairi Rankin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l66t3vTFc08). I like these two for kewl!-you-can-do-that? musical improv inspiration: WILLIE & LOBO – AMSTERDAM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G0qyRsqehA) and Jerry Goodman in Dixie Dregs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiuTBSP2Fa0).
Enjoy!!
Buddy McMaster is Natalie McMaster’s uncle and his claim to fame is that he made his name while working as a station master on the railroad on Cape Breton Island. He used to have his own sort of ‘closed circuit radio’ show for the other railroad guys, who’d tune in on the railroad telephone at night when they were all working the graveyard shift. MY Richard Greene is not the same – he’s from Prince Edward Island and like seemingly everyone out there, is an ‘all-island step dancing champion’. I did not meet one fiddler at that camp who could not fiddle AND step dance at the same time – I think it’s like being able to ice skate in other parts of Canada.
My son is a drummer – and it never fails that when he is performing with others, he is ‘in the beat’ as they say. Didn’t matter what he was banging on: bass drum, triples in marching band, djembe, metal ice cream cans, it’s all the same.
One of the great things about playing music is that no one cares what you look like, how you dress, what size you are, what your religion is, what your politics are – all they care about is having you play along. That’s one of the reasons I encouraged all of my kids to get into school band – in that sort of group, all they care about is that you practice and don’t let your section down. A great way for kids to make friends, participate and be part of something in school. When you are jamming, even if you can’t keep up (heh, my problem usually), as long as you can catch the drift of what is going on and add a note or a lick or a chord from time to time, you’re still part of the action. I love it.
Yeah, I know what you mean about needing people to play with. I majored in music (bassoonist), played in the college orchestra and played sax in the marching band my freshman year. But I eventually decided I didn’t really want to teach HS music and went into another field.
I sold my instruments long ago because I couldn’t find opportunities to play w/others after college and it just wasn’t fun to practice by myself. There’s not a lot of people in want of bassoonists;), although I did play on recordings for several friends w/bands in college who wanted me for the novelty of a bassoon in a rock song.
But for many years I’ve held onto an old guitar, telling myself someday I’d teach myself to play it. Thanks for this, it gives me new inspiration.
At some time I was fond of playing music. but now a days I have left listening music since music is prohibited in Islam.
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