Stupak should change his habit and listen to his sisters.

Nuns! What have nuns ever done for the Catholic Church? It’s the men that do all the heavy stuff, the lifting, the speaking, the petting, the hating, the beating, the covering up, the apologizing.

Wrong facts I am afraid. The nuns are just as guilty of abuse as are the priests. The whole fucking (or not fucking) lot of them are guilty of abuse, rape, buggery, sodomy…you name it it is catholic.

DUBLIN — A major Irish order of Roman Catholic nuns, the Sisters of Mercy, offered Thursday to pay child abuse victims, the government and charities a further euro128 million ($193.5 million) to compensate for decades of abuse in its schools and orphanages.

http://blog.taragana.com/politics/2009/12/03/major-irish-order-of-catholic-nuns-offers-euro128-million-in-reparations-to-child-abuse-victims-4358/

Well I don’t agree with the good nuns either. The Senate bill will restrict women’s reproductive rights even more. It will be very difficult for women to buy insurance on the exchanges that cover abortions, and in many states impossible. The law will continue to discriminate against a woman’s right to choose, especially in lower income communities both rural and urban. But yes, Stupak is indeed a neanderthal and a dick.

Thanks for the post Attaturk.

Stupak be damned. Alleged “Real Democrats” have allowed this petulant little ninny to stomp his feet and hold his breath and get his way on something that goes against what MILLIONS of Democratic voters and contributers have worked so hard for over the last 3 decades. That there is no virulent, violent, viral outrage over the Stupak Language being included in this bill is heartbreaking.

It is Decided Law in this country that the federal government has no business in a woman’s reproductive decisions. That Democrats stand by with hands in pockets while this incremental chipping away of hard won rights is so shameless and shamefull it is making me sick.

For all my sisters:
As a Registered Democrat, Democratic contributer, campaign worker, protester, husband, father and friend I am sorry for having been a party to electing the most pathetic bunch of spineless assholes ever to disgrace our Nation’s Capitol.

Deep and lasting shame on the lot of them.

Here is the information I was looking for

Sisters of Mercy Abuse in Ireland

There, incarcerated by 6ft walls and under the tutelage of the Sisters of Mercy nuns, Kathleen was beaten, starved and humiliated to a point where she felt worthless and wanted only to be invisible. Her education was scant; instead she was put to work scrubbing floors, in the laundry and, barefoot and dressed in rags, in the surrounding fields. She knew only cruelty and so, like the other girls, she became cruel, too. She stole food, sometimes raw potatoes from the store, sometimes she rifled through the pigswill bin, scraping out banana skins and eating orange pith. Denied water between what passed for meals, she drank from toilets.

Stupak takes his orders from the Men’s Department of Pedophile Central in Rome.

So the nuns were doing the raping and sodomizing? I didn’t see that indicated in the link. And that data point from Ireland indicates that nuns the world over are engaged in abuse, rape, buggery, sodomy, as much as the priests. Have nuns been brought up for rape charges in the States as well. Guess I’ve been seeing more stories about priests, but who can tell with the media misinformation these days.

Bart’s wife may be ticked off, but his Family is proud of him.

Stupak has walked on part of the mythology of the Roman Catholic church by striking back at nuns who exerted authority. That’s only supposed to be done secretly. He seems to have made the step over that line between moral posturing and personal aggrandizement – and is over due for a huge rap on the knuckles.

Oh there is more a lot more. I grew up in Ireland, thank goodness my family are Agnostics but i saw first hand abuse, bigotry, greed, cruelty from the priests and nuns. Many friends that my sister and I had were victims of these catholic christians. My father was thown out of Ireland by the catholic purge of writers. There is nothing good to say about those catholic fucking pigs!

As much despise Stupak I will say he has the courage of his convictions which is more than I can say about the other dems. I vehemently disagree with him but he has never, as far as I can see, wavered from his anti-women stance and the people that elected him were aware of his anti-choice positions. can’t say that about the rest of the two faced dems in Congress.

I have no doubt there are nuns who stepped over the line of discipline into abuse. I’ve read about the Irish Laundries and it’s tragic and abhorrent. But sexual abuse has its own brand of horror. And looking at your Australian link and the names of the hundreds who’ve been through the Australian court system for sexual abuse, I could not find one woman’s name.

Courage of his convictions when he’s a misogynist. I wouldn’t personally call that courage, just as I wouldn’t call a klan racist courageous.

Concentration camps run by holy men and women
Read and you will find.

They lied. They stole. They terrorised. They assaulted children. They manacled them to their beds and flogged them. They starved them. They beat them with pokers and hurleys, scalded them and held their heads under running water. When the children tried to abscond, they locked them up in a small room or in the pig sty for days on end. They raped them. They gang-raped them. And throughout it all, they – and the whole world – thought they were holy men and women.

Children were made to lie in bed at night with their arms piously crossed over their chests. When they slipped out of this position unconsciously in their sleep, they were woken up and beaten. Holy men came into the dormitories at night, sometimes two at a time, and put their private parts in the children’s hands and in their mouths. If they wet their beds, they were made to wrap the soiled sheet around them in the morning and to parade in front of everyone. They watched powerlessly as their siblings were tortured. Sometimes they were forced to participate in the abuse. If they tried to tell anyone what was going on, they were beaten. Dignitaries came to visit. The children dared hope afresh they would get the chance to tell. But the holy men and women brought the politicians and the bishops, even the President of Ireland, to the parlour and kissed their rings and intoned God’s name.

I hope Protestant churches are better with their orphanages.

actions and beliefs are two different things.

Conviction = firmly held belief or opinion : • the quality of showing that one is firmly convinced of what one believes or says

Action = the fact or process of doing something, typically to achieve an aim :

These were schools not only orphanages. Please read.

Good morning, pups. It’s Brooks, Cohen and Krugman today. Bobo is wringing his hands over “The Broken Society.” He has no ideas of his own (of course) but he says a British Conservative explores the roots of crisis in the cultural and market revolutions, and how to rebuild trust from ground up. Mr. Cohen, in “The Narrowing,” says President Obama needs to get beyond the teleprompter and the manufactured quotes if he is to reignite the passion he showed on the campaign trail. Well. Now it’s clear that the NYT editorial board has gotten the Teabaggers’ blast fax about whining about teleprompters… Prof. Krugman, in “Why We Reform,” says a South Carolina case in which a teenager with H.I.V. had his insurance policy revoked is a reminder of why we need health care reform now, imperfect as it is.

Here they are.

The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and I’ve got apple walnut muffins. Friday is good. Yay, Friday! That’s about all I’ve got this morning before I pour in more tea. Have a great day.

Rachel Maddow may have been the first to ask this question but certainly won’t be the last to ask, how much influence did the group, The Family, have on Bart Stupak’s ( D-MI ) authoring his anti-abortion amendment to the health care bill. Stupak has lived at the house at 133 C Street owned by a secretive religious group known as “The Family” for a long time but denies any knowledge about the group. Many believe this is due to the groups sworn secrecy as opposed to actual truth.

http://www.examiner.com/x-3629-Philadelphia-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Did-C-Street-Cult-influence-the-Stupak-Amendment-

Congress is serious about getting moral advice on laws from a member of the Family? I expect Adultery by men only will not be grounds for divorce soon.

thanks, Marion. The individual stories of health care atrocities from insurance companies are the progressive marketing device that really works – even with teleprompters.

I wonder why the Catholics don’t threaten to excommunicate pro death penalty Pols?

Mr. Cohen, in “The Narrowing,” says President Obama needs to get beyond the teleprompter and the manufactured quotes if he is to reignite the passion he showed on the campaign trail.

Teleprompter did he see Obama debate how many House Republicans off the cuff and they had prepared questions?
Granted they had no facts but thats their fault.
Cohen Obama lied to us unless he does something big we and gets it done we are not backing him. I gave at the healthcare debate since August until Yesterday.
Passion can’t help a liar crying wolf who then opens the door for the wolf.

Prof. Krugman, in “Why We Reform,” says a South Carolina case in which a teenager with H.I.V. had his insurance policy revoked is a reminder of why we need health care reform now, imperfect as it is.

Paul really thinks this bill won’t let insurance companies drop people?

Bye-bye Stephanopolous! Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

Nuns getting killed in South America by American Death Squads are the only Catholics leaders I respect.

Best news of the day:)

Bart Stupak really wants to lose the woman’s vote doesn’t he lets see how he does with women Catholics next election.

Perked up my morning too!

Wow, the Times columnists are so misty eyed and passionate this morning. Krugman in particular whipping hard for the health bill…good job Paul, well argued. But if as you says, this bill will do what Mitt Romney’s health reform did for MA, how can we be optimistic. The MA system is drowning today. And why should we support this bill because “it is the one on the table.” The public option and medicare for all are not on the table because they undercut the private insurance industry. The bill’s passage will ensure that private insurers are entrenched in our economy for at least another decade.

Your quaint insistence that boys and girls in religious schools and institutions not be abused
is yet more evidence of how removed you people are from the realities of governing.
Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

I am not so sure that he knows women are allowed to vote.

sick fuck

/s

Stupidpak prefers to listen to men in dresses, not women in dresses.

Good morning all.

Could swear Brooks is arguing for socialism this morning. Strange.

It’s been said before, but when discussing morans like Mr. Stupak we should remind ourselves that if men had the babies abortion would be a sacrament.

entrenched

And enriched

And would consist of emptying the beaker. You didn’t think they’d be bearing the bairns themselves?

Volcker’s on my TV spouting talking points about how great the FRB is. Koolade stuff.

Don’t forget the Penis theme hats.

Which makes the clear plastic bubble Pope mobile a giant condom.

Heh. Guess if you have to wear a dress, you gotta figure out some way of pretending you’re male.

LOL. Made my day.

Good morning everyone. Just got my local paper and the headline is my dem rep (who I worked for) will vote no.

Who says parts of the economy aren’t growing?

Supply of Foreclosed Homes Increases

The Bernanke Boom continues unabated.

goddamn – thought we had an “allan-2″.

Even Elizabeth Warren has said she’s okay with the Fed being the consumer body. Pro’ly because it’s cheaper and easier than setting up a whole new agency. And admittedly, it was refusal by Greenspan to do the job he was authorized to do that was the base cause of the meltdown.

Well if your wearing a Dress a Red Corvette is just not enough.

The vote is still not cast, maybe a few choice words.

Any regulator hired in D.C. today will refure to do the job.

Would this be your man?

“It lets the insurance industry keep on doing what it’s been doing, and it taxes health benefits, forcing workers to pay for the sins of the insurance industry,’’

This rep is an abortion opponent! He will still vote no.

I am still seething despite the lat /s

gotta restrict those abortions you know

But wouldn’t that reduce the crop of future victims for the priests to mess with ?

Catholic School enrollment can’t be doing well.

Might do well to point out here, as I already did over at yesterday’s RHRealityCheck post, that bishops are capable of excommunicating members of the Catholic Church, but nuns are not.

I think the real problem we should be looking at is why a bunch of mostly white men wearing cassocks belonging to a religious order are making veiled threats against citizens of faith by demanding that their religious dogma is embedded in our legislation.

I’m very, very unhappy with Stupak, but if he is a devout old school Catholic, he may well be terrified about the state of his soul and excommunication from the church. We should remove that from consideration by demanding the IRS begin an investigation into the Catholic Church’s status as a 501c3 organization; if they are going to inveigle themselves into government, then they cease to be a church and should pay taxes and abide by other laws which govern lobbying.

Why focus on the Church instead? Because Stupak will come and go — but the Church remains. Unless it is forcefully pushed out of politics, it will reach even farther into our legislation and tyrannize even more of our democracy.

No, it’s Arcuri. “I think we can do better.”
When exactly???

Warren was qualified in her support. Having a consumer financial protection body inside the Fed is better than not having one at all. But it’s difficult to imagine the Fed in this role, especially the NY Fed.

IRS begin an investigation into the Catholic Church’s status as a 501c3 organization; if they are going to inveigle themselves into government

Now there’s an idead that’s long part due. The Secular Coalition for America is lobbying on issue like that.

actually I’m a product of a catholic school ,having attended through the eighth grade.
except for the corporal punishment it wasn’t so bad
and I don’t have any recollection of molestation

To clarify my earlier remark, no matter how many ‘regulators’ are put in place, no matter where they are located, they’ll just ignore what they’re supposed to do. Regulation is sooo yestiday, dontcha know. We must look forward, and ‘free markets’ will show us the way. That’s the sentiment in D.C. and all the lip service to the contrary is just a smoke screen to hide real intentions.

I had a little Brother and Sister go I’ve heard a few stories.

Where is that story?

Oh now Canjorski is asking Bernanke for ‘technical’ help in drafting regulations. That should work out well. /s

Sorry about that. I’ve been burned before by reactions to my “humor” and should probably lay off.
Peace.

Me too and it’s unfairly maligned. I was taught all the things that Jesus preached. I was never taught to hate. And charity and compassion were biggies.

I didn’t search the website to see whether anything about it is posted. But I did hear the Executive Director speak in December, and that was one of the areas he covered. Here’s my diary.

Yes, and that is a real problem.

Thanks for the post Attatuk, but I have one small quibble.

Actual Jackasses (and Jennys) are stubborn, but noble and loyal creatures who are one of the best guard animals for other livestock. They are very protective.

So on behalf of donkeys I would protest your comparing them to a shithead like Stupak.

Ron Paul is sputtering about regulation.

For example, several children have died in religious day care centers that are exempt from local regulatory laws for secular day care centers. A much higher percentage of infants of faith healing believers die than in the general population because they are exempt from all the rules about child endangerment and neglect. Mr. Faircloth told a particularly gruesome story of a 15-year-old daughter of believers in faith healing who suffered months of excruciating pain owing to the growth of a tumor on her shoulder, eventually to the size of a basketball, at which point she died. Mr. Faircloth refers to such behavior as faith torture and faith killing. It would never be allowed outside the “religious” context.

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/18844

Personal Stories do sell.

Pro, Against or just Insane? I can’t believe his people think they are going to form the third party with us.

check out some of my earlier links and here is a list of countries where the christians were doing their godly thing.. bastards

Against regulation. On other matters, I view it, not as a third party, but rather a coalition of the willing on specific issues. Without libertarians and lefties coordinating, there is no anti-war nor pro-constitution movement.

Austria lost a Cardinal a guy who votes for and could have been Pope? Bullet Dodged.

Hans Hermann Cardinal Groër

I’m ok with cooperating on a issues we agree on Deregulation gave us the banking crisis though.

Regulators like Sheila Bair did their job. those hired by the deregulators were hired because of their credentials, and did the job they were hired to do, which is to jinx regulations.

edit; see Chris Cox

Moving upstairs to swim.

Geitner being the prime example.

The problem seems to be world wide they can’t keep ignoring this sooner or later CNN or somebody will run this story and given the amounts of story links you have CNN could get another O.J trial worth of ratings for months with all that material.
All they need is a spark a Celebrity or Politicians child getting hurt.

Oh, I think the other idea we should be promoting is the departure of women from the church.

I left it years ago when it became clear it was backsliding, regressing under cooperative pressure from the Protestant Christianist right which co-opted the Catholic Church in an effort to help realize corporatist aims.

The Church I belonged to as a kid was firmly antiwar and an important advocate for social justice. It’s far from that now, and much more anti-woman than I ever remember it being as a kid.

CNN actually has something on their website this morning about the Irish abuse.

They supported the Nazis against the Jews during the second world war. “Social justice” is interesting to those of us that were not catholic in a catholic dominated country. Social Justice meant being ostracized when a child, not allowed to go to community groupings as we were a “bad influence” We had to attend different classes, were not allowed to eat lunch with the other children….this list is endless. And let us not forget the Crusades and the Inquisition.

“When I’m drafting right to life language, I don’t call up the nuns.” He says he instead confers with other groups including “leading bishops, Focus on the Family, and The National Right to Life Committee.”

Did he belch and scratch his belly after saying that?

I wouldn’t actually refer to that as “courage”, more as pig-headed, narrow-minded obstinacy. You wouldn’t call a racist “courageous” for continuing to assert that white people are superior to all other races, would you?

As for Stupak being willing to accept responsibility for his actions, he’s been doing the “I don’t know anything about the Family” shuffle for weeks since Rachel Maddow brought out on her show his living at the C Street mansion for years on what was a ridiculously tiny amount of rent, obviously subsidized, and acting as a mentor to new Family members. He keeps insisting he has no idea what the Family is, never had anything to do with them, and refuses to acknowledge how much rent he paid (reportedly in the neighborhood of $600-700/month), whether someone was picking up the tab for the rest, and if so, if he reported this subsidy as income to the IRS. So much for having the courage of his convictions. He’s nothing more than a whiny bitch – Congress’ version of that attention-whore Paris Hilton, who is so caught up in all the media attention that he’ll do anything to keep it coming, even though his “concerns” about abortion funding through the health care bill have been debunked again and again.

I wonder why the Catholics don’t threaten to excommunicate pro death penalty Pols?

Because Opus Dei (Ratzinger’s old outfit, which has controlled the church ever since JP II) thinks they’re just peachy, as most of them are right-wingers. It’s only people who give a crap about women and the poor, like the liberation theology folks, that they excommunicate.

The Crusades and Inquisition are indeed the burden of the ancient Church,as well as the rulers of the countries where they took place, but there were also a number of Catholics, both lay and religious, who risked their lives helping to hide Jews and smuggle them out of Germany and Poland during the war. Don’t forget, Catholics were also targeted by the Nazis, along with homosexuals and the handicapped.

The history of the Catholic Church is a complex, sometimes convoluted one, but to assert all Catholics are the sadistic maniacs you seem to think they are is as broad and unfounded a supposition as insisting that all Jews are money-sucking, back-stabbing baby killers or all Muslims are psychotic terrorists. It doesn’t work, and undermines the parts of your statement that are true.

Well, generalizing is less taxing on the mind.

Like I said, the church was backsliding when I left. In the 60′s and 70′s I had a completely different experience with the church than I did in the 80′s and 90′s; they were much more progressive during the Vietnam War era, and the emphasis was on helping the poor, living the Beatitudes.

Generalizing also fuels hatred and war.

“”Listen Sister, Bart isn’t going to listen to a bunch of women tell him about what women think about womens’ bodies.”"

Are you saying that the nuns approve of the federal funding of abortion or that they were satisfied with the language that it did not approve of the federal funding?

I thought the nuns were saying the latter. Were they not? Kind of a sloppy commentary.

And, I really think it is not wise for Obama to open up a schism in the Catholic Church for his own benefit. There will no doubt be repercussions on the nuns. I don’t think, in that scenario, the bishops have a choice if you know anything about the church and their stand on abortion.

To me just another insensitive hurl under the bus by this dubious bunch to benefit their own reputations. It was pointless and unnecessary.

Personally, I was never abused by a priest. They were solicitous folks. But the nuns, another story. Not sexually but physically, by a very angry, red-faced mother superior.

The only time I got into any trouble with a priest is when I talked back (and damn near physically fought back!)to her.

I went to public junior high in the midwest where the male teachers would whack boys and girls in the butt with their personal paddles. My female teachers didn’t believe in the practice of whacking.

Mine was a grade school with only nuns for teachers. That M.S to whom I referred used rulers and physically pushed the poor guy up against the wall, hitting your head against it.

I don’t know if this treatment was used on the girls.

In one respect, the school was in a Chicago suburb which was the location of many of the Capone gang’s operations. It was pretty tough, which we also had to be, hence the extreme effort not to strike back was called upon!