A great take-down!

Mal-informed and relatively unintelligent, natural-born conservatives.

they’re just racists in disguise

Of course they are ignorant. They make no sense, except when you figure out that they are mostly racists and the Dick Armeys of the world have been dog whistling them from the beginning.

The Teabaggers won’t tell you their are racist to your face. But why else have they suddenly appeared with Obama’s election? Why do they want their “country back”. How could Obama have taken their country in less than a year?

Teabaggers (e.g. those with an oral / scrotal fascination) are ignorant and their are racist too.

Of course, if just one Teabagger got the ANWR estimate right, that means there’s another one who thinks there’s 139 years of oil in caribou country.

Any group that has as its primary organizing principle that “America has the best health care system in the world!” is going to attract ignorant people. It’s a feature, not a bug.

The Left is giving up their rights in order to strengthen BIG GOVT, and they think Tea Partyers don’t know what is going on!?! Er, OK…

Does that helmet-head blonde one the left forgo her Social Security? I doubt it.

I know those ladies. They gaggle at the beauty parlor talking ’bout Brangelina. Muey importante.

Soc sec., Medicare, VA, Medicaid, Fire, Police, Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, Highways, she wouldn’t understand.

Depends on what your definition of “the left” is, for starters.

Teabaggers are stupid?

Is water wet?

Ignorance and blind loyalty are badges of honor to these cretins. Try to make a point or correct them on an issue and they go all ‘body snatcher’ on you.

If brains were gold and battleships a nickel apiece; these goons wouldn’t have enough to buy a rusty rowboat.

I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised that people who resent the very existence of the federal government haven’t bothered to learn much about it.

Surely you mean the the right wing has, during the bushy years, taken away our rights in order to strengthen big brother government of the “Homeland”.

The article says:

According to calculations by the Joint Committee on Taxation, a congressional committee, tax filers with adjusted gross incomes between $40,000 and $50,000 have an average federal income tax burden of just 1.7%.

So Blue Texan, what do you have?

A president that faked his position to get elected, singlehandedly trashing the anti-war movement and a skillion other progressive positions in less than a year? You realize that the anti-war movement will not recover from Obama, do you not? We are now doomed to endless middle east war because of him. Did you get that when it happened?

This is a man who would throw even nuns under the bus to advance his mandated insurance scam. And thinks its just great since real progressives are f*ing retarded?

Or perhaps more of Pelosi or Hoyer is your answer? What exactly are you getting at? Please explain your path to hope and change at this point while you criticize others.

So now you are joining the neocons, and Glenn Beck, in bashing Tea Partiers? David FRUM??? Are you serious?

This is why you guys are going nowhere. And a worse nowhere to come. So confused.

Is there a time when bashing will end and reality-facing will happen?

Nothing new, just confirmation of what kind of remarkably shallow, ignorant person it takes to be duped into being a tea bagger.

Teabaggers are no stupider, deafer, or blinder in the final draw than the people answering “approve” in the Obama pop polls.

Teabaggers may be the only thing standing between us and the constitutional crisis arising from the profitcare (adopted word, credit to originator, whoever you are) mandates. Cuz if ‘the left’ were to protest this HCR crime like teabaggers do, nobody would know. No coverage on the tv news channels would there be.

That’s DER Homeland.

A president that faked his position to get elected, singlehandedly trashing the anti-war movement and a skillion other progressive positions in less than a year? You realize that the anti-war movement will not recover from Obama, do you not? We are now doomed to endless middle east war because of him. Did you get that when it happened?

I have no idea what you’re talking about, or what this has to do with the post.

The same qualities cause nonwealthy people to be duped into voting for Republics.

chaperone?

Ignorance and blind loyalty are badges of honor to these cretins

Exactly! Like denial of science, they wear their deliberate ignorance as a token of their refusal to bow to authority. facts are opinion and wild rhetoric fact, (as long as it comes from FAUX “News”)

being clear eyed is a rarity, even at the Lake.

Bravo!

Well no wonder they like Palin so much.

The same qualities cause nonwealthy people to be duped into voting for Republics.

And against their own self interest, yep. One might even say “Morans”. ;-)

come on blue texan, you have to give the orwellian gop their credit, they have succeeded in dumbing down americans, enabled by the msm; and now thanks to texas, they are working on the next generation. case in point, a lady i know says she votes republican because they are “pro-life, whereas democrats as pro-abortion.” she superficially buys into all the gop hype – taxes higher, health care (of which she has none because she can not afford the high “pre-existing condition” premiums) is a big government takeover and socialist…..

adjusted gross incomes between $40,000 and $50,000 have an average federal income tax burden of just 1.7%

These figures are from here

1950-2006 Avg. Individual federal income tax 8.1%
In 2006, the last year of the data linked is 8%

Please be gentle with the lashes.

Only liberul ‘lites give a hoo-haw ’bout facts. Big Gobmint and taxes is the prollem.

Heh.

I think we all get it. Teabaggers don’t know what they’re talking about.

Now, what are we going to do about it? If they can’t be persuaded to consider facts and data, then is there any way we can use their ignorance? Everyone need a little time to blow off steam and gripe about stuff but eventually we need to regroup and figure out where we go from here.

Is there a way to use those misguided teabag memes to build our own case for progressive change?

New Survey by Former Bush Speechwriter Finds Tea Partiers Largely Ignorant about Taxes, Lots of Other Stuff
Fixed it for you…

But they are all faux news. The enemy isn’t the teabaggers, they’re a deliberate, created diversion. Bashing them right now is a boring, old-news, failed distraction.

Sorry, just woke up, got to bed late. What a grouch.

:D

Hi Pups. Somewhat OT:

I just got a petition from MoveOn urging me to sign in support of the
current HCR POS Bill. It’s to pressure Congress to vote Yes.
I replied that I would not sign and gave a few reasons.

Perhaps they don’t know some of us are paying attention to what’s in the bill.

the main thing about teabaggers is that a large rump of them are unreformed, racist, bigots, and likely former kkk members with a scary ghost costume hidden somewhere in the house. Profound and willful ignorance is a required attribute for them.

However, on ANWR – I believe there are estimates of about 50 billion barrels there (I think that’s what the USGS has claimed, though whether their methodology, which also gives Greenland reserves of 57Gbbl if I remember rightly, is worth anything is a completely different story). World oil consumption runs around 30Gbbl/annum. So, ANWR would hold a bit over a year for the whole world. It would be about 4-5 years of US Consumption, however. One must also factor in the predicted growth of oil consumption, since by the time ANWR reserves would be on stream (minimum 10, more likely 15 years), world and US demand would be different (I’m not predicting which way, because in many scenarios, I could see US oil demand substantially lower than at present in 15 years time. I’ll leave you to figure out why….). But in any case, ANWR oil reserves, production rates etc. etc. are close to unknowable until after the fact.

But I still despise teabaggery.

Put a stop to your own ignorance first:

Noam Chomsky on right wing Tea Party protests, ” People with real grievances”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2zYaKXeyXE

But the article BT linked to said 1.7%. Is it inaccurate? Is the whole post bogus?

These people are the reason there was no true health care debate during the process of creating a reform bill. All honest criticisms and thoughtful analyses were drowned out by this group which was covered by the media as if they really had something important to say. Of course, the Democrats in favor of the bill used them to their advantage. Who wouldn’t? The question in the end became– are you with us or with the teabaggers? I am so angry at the baggers and at how much influence they seem to have over our policy. The very, very rich are also probably loving this crowd. If they hear talk of taxing the rich they will probably go ballistic. I don’t see any Bill Gates types in the crowd, though. Their ignorance is harming everyone in society including themselves.

Frum cites a CIA estimate.

Heck I don’t know. I went to the joint committee on taxation web site and looked it up and put a link to those figures. I just give the facts, you decide!

A more useful article might be:

How to separate the Morans from the somewhat-informed but misdirected Independents.

We all know that 90% of these folks can be dismissed as _______, but shouldn’t progressives be courting the rest of the anti-war, pro-civil liberties crowd? Please?

Haven’t allowed MoveOn.org out of my spam filter since it became clear that they are determined to support Obama in spite of him carrying out and in some cases increasing the very same policies they used to rant about Bush taking. I supported Obama. I still have a MoveOn t-shirt with Obama on it but I’m not a partisan. My approvals and disapproval aren’t predicated on “R”s and “D”s.

These figures are from here

1950-2006 Avg. Individual federal income tax 8.1%
In 2006, the last year of the data linked is 8%

From your link, 2006 shapes up as follows:

Total of all income taxes paid
$40,000 to $50,000 ……………………………..2.2%
$50,000 to $75,000 ……………………………..8.4%
$75,000 to $100,000 …………………………….9.6%
$100,000 to $200,000 …………………………..28.3%
$200,000 and over ……………………………..53.7%

Thanks for the data.

You are right, of course.

Part of the problem is that to reach teabaggers without facts, one has to basically manipulate their emotions. I hate the idea of trying to manipulate anyone for anything.

I’m with you. I unsubscribed from them. And now back to puttering in the garden.

I think that the bright ones are perfectly capable of self determination. My brother, for example is just as staunch a Libertarian as it’s possible to be, including being in IRS trouble due to not paying taxes under one theory or another. He’s not a teabagger though and has nothing but scorn for them. Education is the key but there are those who will be educated and those who won’t be.

Blue Texan–

I’m asking, you are bashing Tea Baggers in FAVOR OF WHAT?

If you support the fake in the White House you support a person that used and abused his own base and has put an end to the anti-war movement and pretty much all other progressive agendas. What is so hard to understand about that?

Unless you think Hopey change is following a progressive agenda that you can support? At that point you totally lose me but that is what I was wondering.

Again, I’m asking what do you suggest as an alternative to what the Tea Baggers are doing, if it is so bad and they are so stupid?

I can’t figure out where you are coming from and why you think a neocon shill like David Frum is worth praising for any reason. You do realize that it is the expressed position of the neocons to kill the Tea Bagger movement? One would have to wonder why.

So what is your alternative? The anti-war activists and other progressives gave the country “the answer” in a hard-fought battle, to the problems they articulated. And “the Answer” proved to be more of the same. The “Hope” was “Hype”.

So again, where are you going? along with Frum? and Beck? Somewhere else?

I know its a hard week and everyone is disgusted. But at some point those who opine should start the “thinking engine” for the rest of us on where we go from here instead of bashing.

That’s going to be the valuable opinion going into the end of the year. Where do we go from here? and Rahm-Bahm ain’t going to cut it, and probably won’t have much influence anyway, soon, if the elections go wrong and we are returned to Cheneyland.

I hate the idea of trying to manipulate anyone for anything

You’ll never work at Faux Nooz.

So that’s why I’ve been paying 10 percent. I’m making up for all those conservatives who are hiding their income.

These teabaggers are just the echo chamber for the propagandist corporate media like FUX NEWS,the CORRUPT NEWS NETWORK(cnn).

Damn. There goes my chance of ever meeting Neil Cavuto.

LOL! What a loss, right?

Oh noes! I will never get to shake Major Garrett’s hand?!

Keep moving, nothing to see here, folks. You could write the exact same article about the anti-teaparty side. That is part of the problem today. Americans are so poorly educated they have been easily fooled by both sides of the aisle.

This is how we will fall, from within.

Leona Helmsley

We don’t pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes.

You’re presenting an obviously false dichotomy. Presumably, I can’t criticize teabaggers, because that means I tacitly support “neocons” or Rahm. Or something.

But anyway, you must not read FDL very often, because I’ve been criticizing the teabaggers since before it was cool.

Can’t you get crabs from shaking a teabagger’s hand? Yick.

You do realize that it is the expressed position of the neocons to kill the Tea Bagger movement? One would have to wonder why.

Hate to go Godwin before the sun’s over the yardarm, but it’s sort of like ‘Operation Hummingbird‘, innit?

;>)

Are you suggesting that he and the rest of us EMBRACE and CODDLE the ‘baggers? Because all I’m getting from you is that they are brave and noble and undeserving of scorn despite their proud, deliberate and wanton ignorance of the very things they say they are carrying signs and bullying sick people about! I can rant about how much the cube shaped Earth pisses me off and be on exactly them same footing as they are.

Before anyone breaks an elbow patting ourselves on the back, let me point out that the average Democratic voter is just as ignorant, almost in mirror image, the only difference being that they erroneously assume a mistaken benevolence to all government and corporate action and manipulation.

In both cases, most people are just adopting the PR and mythology that is associated with their chosen “team.” That’s one reason I want to shoot my TV every time I hear analogies to sports coming out of it to sum up a political discussion. Once you start rooting for a team, you stop thinking altogether.

To me, the real problem is that lying in all its forms, and there are many, for the purpose of shaping opinion rather than just delivering info so people can make an informed choice, has become the exclusive mode of conducting public dialogue. And we revere the PR people and “spinners” who do it best.

QUERY: Wouldn’t people of all political stripes be angry if we concentrated our efforts for awhile on just pointing out how pervasively they’ve been lied to on every single issue for decades, by proponents of both teams? Might that anger not be able to be channeled into a unifying theme to focus the anger of regular people against the power elite and the big corporations, where it belongs and might do some good?

Mod, let this pass – it’s important to broaden this discussion, please!

Noam Chomsky on right wing Tea Party protests, ” People with real grievances”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2zYaKXeyXE

I got into a ‘discussion’ with a Teabagger at the local java joint. He and his cohorts were siting around a table trashing Obama, hoping to get a ‘dirty lib’ to say something. Yep, trolling for liberals at a Starbucks… I took the bait – why the hell not?

I made a couple of corrections to their rants, knowing that I was shooting peas at a brick wall but whatever… They started their pissing and moaning over my facts and the old gem ‘you libs think you’re so smart. Just a bunch of intellectuals!”

I replied: “Yes, I’m smart. It takes courage to be smart. I also act my age. You folks act like a bunch of tantrum-throwing toddlers, screaming and shouting over the adults in the room when you don’t get your way. If you folks want to be a part of debate and contribute, then I suggest you grow up and quit acting like your grandkids.”

I picked up my book “Never Stop Running” and went back to reading.

I didn’t convince them of anything, but I did shut them up. The rest of the crowd seemed to agree with me – including a young mom with a little boy.

Shame them. Call them on their immaturity. Wear the ‘intellectual’ tag like a badge of honor.

As a wise man once said: “I’d rather be a smart ass, than a dumb shit.”

Before anyone breaks an elbow patting ourselves on te back, let me point out that the average Democratic voter is just as ignorant, almost in mirror image, the only difference being that they erroneously assume a mistaken benevolence to all government action and manipulation.

Which has always been my perception of partisans and ideologues. They are interested in promoting a specific point of view to the exclusion of everything else. They see the world in black and white because they are either unwilling or unable to recognize shades of gray. A trait that all inflexible ideologies share.

stop idling at 70, and rev up to your 140/150.

Well if you are looking for a bunch of educated elite “libs” a coffeeshop is a good place to find ‘em. Didja know that the single factor that most influences specialty coffee consumption is education? The more education one has, the more likely one is to drink foo-foo steamy half-caf mochas.

Dumb as a brick teabaggers probably drink gas station coffee. Black.

Yes, but it’s even worse than that, IMO. The urge to tribalism is strong in our species, and is often expressed as “team spirit.” It’s more about the desire to feel one belongs to something, the desire to be “part of,” rather than being at all about any principle or philosophy. Most such people don’t do philosophy, but rather operate at a much more primitive level psychologically.

I just think that discovering that one has been lied to also arouses a primtive level response, i.e.., anger, and anger is what we need to mobilize any meaningful political change.

For some reason shades of gray frighten Americans. We seem to want everything guaranteed and carved in stone. I don’t know what causes this because our country has been fortunate enough not to ever be under attack during a war, we have had relatively good times, and nothing (yet) has ever been really horrible and yet Americans are scared all the time. Boogey men all over the place. It’s amazing.

Before anyone breaks an elbow patting ourselves on the back, let me point out that the average Democratic voter is just as ignorant, almost in mirror image, the only difference being that they erroneously assume a mistaken benevolence to all government and corporate action and manipulation.

Well, I don’t buy that equivalence. For one, the Teabaggers are primarily about taxes, above all else. They hate hate hate taxes. There simply are no issues as prominent within the Democratic base, so you’re already at an apples-to-oranges comparison.

To make your case, you’d have to find one specific issue that a majority of Democrats are factually wrong about. I’m sure there are issues like this (though not as prominent as taxes) but I bet if you ask them about global warming, whether Obama was born in the US, or whether cutting taxes increases revenue, the majority would be correct, in contrast to the teabaggers.

I’m not saying Democratic voters are necessarily “smarter” than Republican voters, but the facts just aren’t in the GOP’s — or the teabaggers’ — favor these days.

To simply say, “well, they’re all equally misinformed” is not quite right.

The only thing less surprising than the study’s finding is that a former speechwriter for GWB needed to actually conduct a study to figure it out!

David Dayen has a fresh cross-post up: DeFazio’s Objections Could Set Off Other Members

Well, I’ve been into law and markets for many years, and read a lot as a result. And what I find very pervasive is that when I share with the general Dem voter, decent, reasonable educated people, info about some of the dark, dishonest practices of the govt and the major corporations, their level of reflexive disbelief is high and predictable. I’m not saying they are paranoid like the teabaggers, but just the opposite, that they err on the side of being too trusting and unquestioning.

A departure from accurate perception on either side of the political continuum is readily observable, and it serves the purpose of getting people to either act against their own self-interest, or refrain from acting at all. Both results promote the interest of the power elite.

Take the larger point, please, and don’t get lost in an overly detailed comparison. I don’t think it’s really debatable that we get lied to all the time, and that most people would be angry if they were made aware of the extent of it. Seems to me that there is a politcal opportunity in that realization, if the goal is to organize regular people against the power structure, as opposed to organizing left against right.

Teabaggers ignorant?!?

Whoda thunk it?

…teabaggers probably drink gas station coffee. Black.

Only if the 7-11′s between brews.

;>)

Tea Party Patriots are for reason, accountability, and limited government.

That won’t go over well with the anti-reason, anti-accountability people.

Man are you blinkered.

do yourself a favor and listen to the link I furnished @ 61. That will be 9 min. of your time well spent. And then digest the’ larger point’ in razor’s comment @ 71.

‘cool’, is not a point to hang your 1 gallon hat on.

The Teabaggers are just regurgitating years of programming by Rush and Sean and the GOP. Pesky things like “facts” and “data” are the stuff of weak-kneed libruls.

*For the snark impaired, Bartlett served in the Reagan and Bush 41 administrations.

Yeah, Bartlett still seems to have an intact soul, a clear head, and the ability to think critically.

Personally, I don’t think the Tea Baggers are as interested in policies as they are in reinforcing a personal identity that feels screwed by the existing system of power, but isn’t very shrewd about how to fix the problems.

This becomes a bigger problem for them if they won’t listen to Bartlett, who really has shown integrity through trying to recognize reality and engage in new kinds of economic conversations over the years.

I don’t find the argument, “Noam Chomsky said it therefore it must be true” compelling.

Listen to it, that’s all. If you do not find it compelling, that’s your prerogative.

Dismissing the most progressive American thinker, with such a offhanded remark, places you squarely in the midst of the citizen’s of your State, whose uninformed views you so despise.

I did not “dismiss” Chomsky. I did, however, dismiss your appeal to authority fallacy.

Blue Texan–

I never said you just started coming down on them. But, the tribalism, ignorance, superficiality, and strong feelings that are being attributed here to them, could all be attributed to those who supported Obama blindly. There were some who correctly identified his lack of being a progressive, but not too many, and certainly not the pundits, whether paid or honest.

And there are some progressives STILL doing it. I see a lot of self-congratulations here when in reality the president of Change has BROUGHT DOWN the progressive movement. I call that a little brain-damaged, or devious, whichever fits.

Someone said there are no issues prominent with the progressives…. There used to be issues as prominent as taxes are with the Teabaggers, with the progressive party, before Obama. It was anti the lying, fake, pre-emptive war that is killing our kids and other colored people. Now its all forgotten somehow?

So all I’m saying is what do you have left now? Siding with neocon idiots? Praising a president that has shown himself to be less than honest where it counts? For all the smugness, where is it going? More of the same rah, rah, for our side?

That is all I am asking.

If you have something to point out to these people, do it honestly. Sure, the Tea Party Express and the neocons will attack the Teabaggers badly if they do not send all their $$ and efforts toward the republicans, they already have started attacking them. Don’t join in. Its nasty and stupid and beneath a real progressive to do it in the same childish manner as the republicans.

Obama and the Dems are a total dead end. I think the people who don’t realize it now will by the end of the year. Why waste time? Its not going to change.

We need an honest, justifiable direction. Its hard work. Its not funny and its not a joke. Progressive pundits have a job to do now. If you don’t do it, perhaps Rahm was right about the progressives being F*in retarded. (not singling anyone out in particular here, I’m simply interested in stimulating thought, not throwing pies).

that’s a straw man argument. Chomsky is making a very important point which can stand on it’s merits regardless who said it.

you can spare 9 minutes, can you not?

It would have been helpful if the Tea Party types had a better idea of what they were protesting about. There have been several strands to this movement, which has been proven to have been mostly astro-turfed, even if some involved continue to claim to unaware of that.

Some of the tea partiers are actually well educated (my family and some others I know), which makes it all the more disheartening. They are not all poorly educated, anti-elite types, but those I know have been very brainwashed by the rightwing media to which they are addicted, as well as their C Street “Family” churches.

I can believe that many tea partiers are poorly informed about actual tax rates, the amount of fossil fuels available all over the planet (not just ANWR), and so forth. Republics (and Democrats) have done a good job at ensuring that our population is both poorly educated and poorly informed, as well as being being riled up with fear and hate.

Yes, many tea partiers are racist, although not all are. But most of them do buy into the sports team analogy (and I’ve seen a lot of their propoganda based on this b.s.), where if “our” side wins, then their side “loses.” So they no longer grasp the fact that, in reality, whether we like it or not, we’re all on the same team, and we all go down together.

I have serious issues with how the tea party participants behaved this year in hijacking any serious debate and adult discussion about health care. Of course, they were led by the nose by their “leaders” who lied endlessly about bogus death panels and the like. Very frustrating. I support their right to protest, but most of the time, I couldn’t figure out what, exactly, they were protesting, and I found their racist signs and giant signs with Dachau photos on them abhorent, disgusting and revolting.

And yes, TropicGirl, many Democrats are also poorly informed and don’t take the time to learn what’s really going on. That, too, is frustrating and unfortunate. However, I find that, when I take the time to explain just why I am so disgusted with BHO, etc, with my leftie friends, they are willing to listen to me, able to have an informed adult discussion with me about my views, most likely will go off and do some research on their own, and THINK about it. They *should* be better informed on their own, but my experience has shown that many will at least countenance a reasoned discussion about politics (DailyKos types excepted).

The tea party people I know? Not a snow ball’s chance in hell of ever having any kind of discussion about politics. It’s just angry ranting and spewing forth Rush and Glenn’s talking points.

I wish that the Tea Partiers had been more clearly focused and had the ability to demand better services, rather than the silly stupidities that one sees represented in the signs in the photos.

I don’t see how my frustations with the Tea Party, though, somehow translates into me unquestioningly supporting either BHO or the neo-cons. It’s just statements of fact.

It is somewhat notable that Frum would come out with something like this. Not because I am now going to bow to Frum… rather, I wonder what his “game” is in doing this. It’s interesting, that’s all.

“I wonder what his “game” is in doing this.”

I think you sort of answered your own question with this statement: “whether we like it or not, we’re all on the same team, and we all go down together.”

Frum belongs to the political Center which represents the inerests of the economic elites, he’s part of Obama’s investor class.

Yes I see what you mean. But it’s interesting that he chooses now to throw them under the bus.

That pretty much accurately represents who’s earning the money. Anti-tax advocate groups always focus on who’s paying the most taxes and completely ignore income/wage distribution. And they always leave out FICA which only hits the first 100K and thus mostly falls on the bottom 90%.

“The top 1 percent of incomes captured half of the overall economic growth over the period 1993-2007

In 2007, the top .01 percent of American earners took home 6 percent of total U.S. wages, a figure that has nearly doubled since 2000. Additionally, the top decile of American earners, raked in 49.7 percent of total wages, a level that’s “higher than any other year since 1917 and even surpasses 1928, the peak of stock market bubble in the ‘roaring” 1920s
”
http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/183929-sober-realist/22899-rising-income-inequality-incredibly-good-deal-for-super-rich

Sure, the average teabagger is not well informed. But exactly who in this country is well informed?

If your primary source of information is TV or radio then your head is being filled with garbage. And reading mainstream papers such as the Wallstreet Journal or Washington Post isn’t any better, you might as well plop down on the couch, click the remote and enjoy a fair and balanced hour of hannitization. NYTimes is a bit better but that just means that there’s a few good articles mixed in with a load of nonsense articles.

The single biggest reason that the Teabaggers hit the streets in numbers is the bank bailout(TARP). And on that issue they were 100% correct.

And on a related note, recent polls say: Half the public now wants to throw every last crook out of Congress. Ill informed? Sure, but they know that they are getting screwed.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/03/16/wsjnbc-news-poll-throw-em-all-out/

We could do a lot worse than finding common ground on some core issues with the Tea Party types (not the overt racists, the rest of them).

Thank you captjjyossarian. Far to many on both the left and right think that steamrolling and demonizing opposing viewpoints is the sure path to victory. The right should remember their leadership was hardly true to the principles they espouse when they were in power. The left should remember that the precedents they set into play today, will still be in effect when the next G.W.B. is in office. Regardless of where you stand on the political spectrum, unless you want one party totalitarian rule, disregarding a widespread public sentiment and the rule of law will have a long lasting divisive effect on our nation. Is it too much to ask that we come together and craft a bill we can all live with?

Tea Party “types” are concerned about more than increased taxes. I think fiscal responsibility is a reasonable argument. Before we degenerate into a Bush did…Obama did..argument, let me say both sides are equally responsible. There are some very serious warning signs that all Americans should take note of. A potential downgrading of America’s credit rating, monetizing the debt, social security running cash deficits. These things transcend party lines, and have the potential to make our differences seem trivial. We need to find common ground, quit demonizing one another, and chart a way out of this mess.

Inconvenient truth about facts, Obama thinks there are 57 states. Funny how libs let this pass. Smartest man in the Democratic Party. What’s that say about the others.

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This is a great country. The libs work to under educate the children so they can brain was them. Now disagreeing with policy and the direction this administration is taking the country is racist. What an offense to those who suffered true racism. A black man being drug behind a car is the moral equivalent of disagreeing opinons. WOW! ASDF must have attended public schools.

The libs work to under educate the children so they can brain was them.

We assume you have links. We always assume that such statements are backed by more than Beckian talking points.
Please oblige.

w.o.w

Beckian. WOW again. Feelin the love with that one newt. Signing off now. Got better things to do. Enjoy the read. Peace and love to all and keep an open mind.

http://www.civiced.org/pdfs/sacramento0805.pdf

Jon Walker is upstairs!
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