[Welcome Amy Goodman, and Host Sara Robinson] [As a courtesy to our guests, please keep comments to the book. Please take other conversations to a previous thread. - bev]
Breaking the Sound Barrier
Back in 2007, at the Unitarian Universalist General Assembly (the church’s big annual national gathering), I had the remarkable experience of hearing Amy Goodman moderate a panel of extraordinary gentlemen. One was Daniel Ellsberg. One was Mike Gravel, then a contender for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination. And the third was Robert West, a former president of Beacon Press, which is owned by the UUA.
Together, with Amy as moderator, these men told the untold story of how the Pentagon Papers were brought to the public. Ellsberg gave a copy of the 7,000 pages to The Washington Post’s Ben Bagdikian — but only on the condition that Bagdikian deliver a copy to Senator Gravel, so he could read them into the Congressional record. (The transfer involved a midnight cloak-and-dagger meeting in a dark parking lot, with Gravel transferring the boxes by himself because only he had senatorial immunity should they be caught.) While Bagdikian fought the government to print the papers in the Post, Gravel played hide-and-seek with the Senate’s leadership (then in the form of Mike Mansfield) to get the the Papers on record; and at the same time arranged with Beacon Press (after 35 other publishers turned them down) to print them. The agreement to publish– which church leaders well understood was putting the entire future of one of the nation’s oldest denominations on the line, as well as committing themselves to an act of capital treason — ended up in front of the Supreme Court, after two years of ongoing government persecution of the church.
I was in the front row for this spellbinding bit of group storytelling, along with my daughter, then not yet quite 17. “This is what heroes look like,” I told her. “Take a good look — because this is what your faith and your family will expect of you on the day that history knocks on your door and insists that you take a stand.”
Amy Goodman knows a lot about taking unpopular and personally risky stands that threaten the powers that be. She’s had a lot of experience breaking the sound barrier — that wall of silence that allows Americans to remain blissful in our too-easy denial of the many injustices that make our comfort possible. And she knows things about keeping your wits and courage about you in the resulting sonic booms that fellow progressives caught in the winds of change can learn from. Amy’s unwillingness to compromise her principles has made all the difference — for her, for the country, and for the people whose unheard voices become audible through her work. That stubborn insistence not only put her where she is — as the host of Democracy Now!, which runs every weekday on over 800 radio stations across the country and around the world — but also gives her work its forthright, earnest, and powerful flavor.
Breaking the Sound Barrier is a compilation of several dozen of Amy’s newspaper columns which ran between the summer of 2006 and the fall of 2009. At just 500 words each, the columns are shorter than this introduction; but brief as they are, they’re sharp, vivid vignettes, each one offering up a telling detail, a pointed moral, a transformative moment, or a wicked irony. Amy shows us US generals comparing the process of invading a country to a work of art in progress — and then invokes Guernica. She notes wryly that the ancient home of one of Maryland’s most notorious slave torturers, then known as “Mount Misery,” now belongs to Donald Rumsfeld.
“It is the responsibility of journalists to go where the silence is, to seek out news and people who are ignored, to accurately and clearly report on the issues — issues that the corporate, for-profit media often distort, if they cover them at all,” Goodman writes. To that end, she recounts not only the stories told by Gravel, Ellsburg, and West that night in Portland; but also writes movingly about being a witness to a massacre in East Timor, which she only survived herself because she could produce an American passport; gives her account of being arrested at the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis in 2008; and takes on the American Psychological Association for its unconscionable unwillingness to sanction members who participate in US government torture. Her insights into the 2008 election cycle, including a full section on Obama, reveal the full range of progressive hopes and fears for this president.
Many of us are already very familiar with Amy’s work and exploits, so I imagine we’re going to have a lot to talk about today. Personally, I’ll be asking her about her recent brush with the Canadian border patrol during a visit to my adopted hometown of Vancouver. I cross that same patch of border weekly — indeed, I crossed it just last night — so her experience with this has been nothing short of sobering for me, and I’m interested in knowing what’s shaken out from this since. Have your questions ready, too: more than usual, this is one Book Salon guest who will sidestep no answers and pull no punches.
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Amy, Welcome back to the Lake.
Sara, Thank you for Hosting today’s Book Salon.
Welcome to Firedoglake – a real honor to have you here!
Welcome to the Lake Amy and Sara, what a pleasure to have both of you here. Looking forward to the discussion. And good luck with your book tour Amy, you have many many fans here :)
Hello, everyone. My apologies for the delay — was lost in the FDL system, but Bev guided me home
And welcome, Amy.
Amy, as noted, I wanted to follow up with you about your adventure with the Canadian border patrol in November. What was the fallout from that?
For folks who don’t know what happened – I was on the book tour, traveling from Seattle to Vancouver to speak at the Vancouver Public Library…
Here in Vancouver, there was substantial protest over the Olympics, which was fierce (about 25,000 people in the streets the day of the Opening Ceremonies), but died down a few days later after things turned violent. After that, the protestors just seemed to go away. I’m still not sure if they vanished on their own, or were encouraged by the authorities…
Anyway, your experience was jarring for me, as an expat who came here fleeing the Patriot Act.
Yay! I’m so glad we have this opportunity to talk with you Amy!
I have to have a fanboy moment here; you are one of my heroes, and have been for a long time. I became physically ill when I saw the video of you getting arrested at the RNC – I literally could not believe what I was seeing, and feared the worst for you.
You are one brave cookie, and I really appreciate all you do.
This was from my column that week – the book we are here for, Breaking the Sound Barrier – is a collection of my weekly columns put out by Haymarket Books – http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2009/12/2/canadas_olympic_crackdown
Amy, I’ve come to regard your work with great respect, after listening to the Democracy Now podcast (almost) daily now for some time. Welcome to FDL and thanks.
Sorry. Yes. Please tell the story! (I blogged my own reaction to it at http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009114930/vancouver-2010-authoritarianism-comes-canada)
As we were crossing the border, the Canadian border guards pulled us over and subjected me and two colleagues to a 90-minute interrogation – they wanted to know what I was going to be speaking about – I told them that, among other things, I would be speaking about Tommy Douglas, the founder of single payer healthcare in Canada, and about the current healthcare debate in the US…
Thanks. With that personal bit of business out of the way, I’d like to open a discussion about courage and calm in the face of the tempest that gets unleashed with the sound barrier is broken. What have you learned from these experiences that progressives in general ought to know as we go forth to change things?
Sorry, go on….
“I begin each talk with the story of Tommy Douglas,” I explained, “the late premier of Saskatchewan, father of Canada’s universal health care system.” Considered the greatest Canadian, Douglas happens to be actor Kiefer Sutherland’s grandfather, but I didn’t get that far.
“What else?” the armed guard demanded as we stood in the Douglas border facility.
“I’ll be talking about global warming and the Copenhagen climate summit.”
“What else?”
“I’ll address the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
“What else?” The interrogator was hand-writing notes, while another guard was typing at a computer terminal.
“Well, that’s about it.”
He looked at me skeptically. “Are you going to talk about the Olympics?” he asked.
I’m very curious about what the Canadian government seemed to be so afraid of. Protests tend to follow the Olympics like dew in the morning; they can’t have not expected some of this.
I was puzzled. “Do you mean how President Obama recently traveled to Copenhagen to lobby for the Olympic Games to be held in Chicago?”
He shot back, “You didn’t get those. I am talking about the Vancouver 2010 Olympics.” Again, stunned, I said I wasn’t planning to.
The guard looked incredulous. “Are you telling me you aren’t going to be talking about the Olympics?” I repeatedly asserted that I was not.
Clearly not believing me, the guard and others combed through our car.
When I went out to check, he was on my colleague’s computer, poring through it.
Afterward, they pulled me in a back room and took my photo, then called in the others, one by one. Then they handed us back our passports with “control documents” stapled inside. The forms said we had to leave Canada within two days and had to check in with their border agency upon leaving. We went to the car—and discovered that they had rifled through our belongings and our papers and had gone into at least two of our three laptops. We raced to the event, where people had been told about our detention. We were 90 minutes late, but the room remained packed, the crowd incensed at their government.
Amy, much thanks for all your work, and that of your collaborators. I have not read your book yet, so I don’t know if it includes any of your reporting on the actions of the American Psychological Association in supporting the use of psychologists in torture, and the activities of those from within APA opposed to that policy. You are one of a few who have followed that story. (Myself, Stephen Soldz and Bryant Welch are others who’ve also covered this in the blogosphere.)
Do you have any comments on the current situation with APA? Are you following that? I know a lot of opponents within APA finally quit in disgust over APA’s insistence in keeping that organization’s alliance with DoD and the IC in braintrusting and helping run interrogations. On the other hand, a big deal was made recently when APA finally changed its ethics code to eliminate the “Nuremberg” provision, allowing psychologists to deny the ethics of their profession if they were following the orders of a state agency. Yet APA, at the same time, refuses to implement a member referendum that would pull psychologists from sites where human rights violations are taking place, such as at Guantanamo.
So, is this something you’ll still be following?
It was then that I started learning about what was going on. The crackdown is widespread, it turns out. David Eby, executive director of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association, told me, “We have a billion dollars being spent on security here; protesters and activists have been identified as the No. 1 security threat to the Olympic Games … we have new city bylaws that restrict the content of people’s signs.” According to critics, the police can raid your home if you place an anti-Olympic sign in your window. There are concerns that homeless people may be swept from Vancouver, about how much public funding the Games are receiving while vital social services are financially starved. Anti-Olympic activists—and their family and friends—are being followed, detained and questioned.
Our detention and interrogation were not only a violation of freedom of the press but also a violation of the public’s right to know. Because if journalists feel there are things they can’t report on, that they’ll be detained, that they’ll be arrested or interrogated; this is a threat to the free flow of information. And that’s the public’s loss, an Olympic loss for democracy.
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Amy, thanks for all you do and have done; if it wasn’t for DemocracyNow and LinkTV I would be poorly informed. Since I watch everyday and am familiar with your trials and tribulations about the winter Olympics(and thanks for covering what the CMM -corporte controlled media- wouldn’t say about them), I won’t ask any questions but this one:
I’m about the same age as Juan -probably a bit older- and I wonder what will be come of DemocracyNow when Juan no longer can participate? His gravitas will be very hard to replace.
So, as Sara said, there were massive protests at the Vancouver Olympics – our treatment was outrageous, and similar incidents followed – it prompted us at Democracy Now! to really take a close look at the games – here is a link to a great report filed by Democracy Now! producer Aaron Maté:
http://www.democracynow.org:80/2010/3/2/in_the_shadow_of_the_olympic
During the Games, I was watching to see how their fears played out. As I said, there were a lot of protestors at first, but after some broken windows on the third or fourth day, they simply seemed to vanish. And I wonder if your publicizing this crackdown changed their behavior any. It’s still a big open question around here. And those of us who are expats, but working on American progressive politics (I live on the BC to DC axis, it seems), seem to have more to fear from our host government than we knew before these events.
Are we done with this? Are people ready to move on? The APA question is an interesting one, too….
Aloha, Amy and Sara…!
What do you think would’ve happened if you’d said ‘yes’, Amy…?
Sent back across the border…?
Hi Amy. Just a driveby to do an ehandshake and tell you I watch your webcast every morning. I’m almost off MSM entirely, and when I do tune in, to figure out what U.S.ians are watching, it’s quite jarring.
In fact, I recently had dinner with a niece-in-law, a middle-aged NYC teacher who is progressive from the cradle. She labeled my description of the MSM & pols as a conspiracy theory. I defended it pretty well at the time, but subsequently emailed her about Andrea Mitchell, GE, msnbc, govt, Greenspan links. She responded that she only got her news from Newshour (missing my point that most other don’t) and was surprised to learn that W had done a PBS Board takeover and that Newshour was a shadow of its former self. Point being: even those on our side who have lives (unlike retired me), can’t keep up with how the U.S. has changed for the worse.
One of the interesting things about Canada is that they’ve only had their Charter of Rights for about 30 years, and are still working out basic things about how it should work that the US worked out two centuries ago. There are things that are no-brainers to Americans that are still open questions to Canadians. And there are still people in authority who still hew to that old royalist logic, especially when they feel under threat. It pops up at odd times, in strange ways — and this was one of the more remarkable ones.
Not that the US necessarily follows its own Bill of Rights, either, as Amy and company learned at the RNC.
Well, Greece went bankrupt and the Olympics played a role. So why are you surprised that govts should be sensitive to criticism of a completely OTT unconscionably expensive display where atheletes risk their bodies, if not their lives? (Olympics have long ago outlived any usefulness, IMO. Perhaps they should have discontinued them after 1932.)
Amy, you always seem to be where history is — or should be. Sara’s recounting of your moderating of the 2007 panel with Daniel Ellsberg, Mike Gravel and Robert West about the Pentagon Papers is typical of your gift as a great editor and journalist, capturing just the right frame and inviting just the right people to bring their experience, journalism and analysis to it. Glad for reminder, too, of Ben Bagdikian whose seminal book The Media Monopoly, through several editions, is one of the most important and least acted upon works of our time.
Amy, I listen to your show every weekday and a few years ago even bought a special radio and antenna so I could get your signal inside my house in Northeastern PA. Thanks for your persistent care for our democracy. As an editor your instincts on assigning reporters are superb (Copenhegen, for example). I’ll grab your new book and give several copies to my family and friends (I read your column regularly). You are a great friend of the progressive cause and you make me proud to stand with you. Jane (old Esquire hand)
She notes wryly that the ancient home of one of Maryland’s most notorious slave torturers, then known as “Mount Misery,” now belongs to Donald Rumsfeld.
And Rummy was my Congressional Rep this might explain allot about my old district.:)
The APA story is so important – and further reporting is needed to determine why they are so connected to the military and intelligence agencies…Breaking the Sound Barrier has a section called Torture…with extensive coverage of the ongoing debate within the APA…the level of resistance to the pro-military leadership is remarkable – we have interviewed many of those psychologists, like Steven Reisner –
http://www.democracynow.org:80/2009/9/3/physicians_for_human_rights_doctors_role
also see Stephen Soldz, at his blog, Psyche, Science & Society
Amy,
Your columns can be delicious reading, but they don’t get very wide distribution. The Rumsfeld-Mt.Misery column, cited above by Sara, was one of my favorites. Perhaps this book will help convince some to give your writing a wider audience in dailies, weeklies and periodicals.
I worked in alternative radio – KRAB-FM – in Seattle long, long ago, and dealt a lot with Pacifica personnel in my job. Great people, great on-the-air products. Every time I watch your show on my computer, it brings me back to those heady days of public broadcast in the late 60s and into the 70s, including the story I once did, the day the Pentagon Papers started coming out.
You’re not only one of the great journalist-reporters in US history, you, perhaps more than anyone else working in the field now, represent the best aspects of continuity of an ideal in listener-supported media, that usurps the hegemony of corporate Radio, TV and print.
We can never thank you enough for your work. As recently as last week, with your interview with the Corrie family, you provided – once again – the only intelligent coverage anywhere of an important story.
When you come to Alaska, I’ll help spread the word.
Ah, no — then we’ve have missed Jesse Owens’ in-your-face to Hitler in 1936, which was one of the great moments in Games history. But your point is otherwise taken.
Amy, we’re a hard group for fingers to keep up with. How’s it going?
Hello Amy.
I love the musical interludes on Democracy Now (the other parts too, of course) but, I do have a complaint!!! You don’t always mention who the artists are. I have become aware of Michael Franti, Gil Scott-Heron, Victor Jara, and others through listening to your show… thanks. But there have been times when there is no mention made of who the artist is in the preceding segment. For the ones I particularly like I’ll search engine a snippet of the lyrics… anyway… please, either start playing exclusively terrible music or identify the artists.
Hi Amy. Thank you for your work over the years. What three political/social issues do you consider the most primary at this point in time? Thanks again.
One of the interesting things DemocracyNow pointed out in covering the Olympics -That’s what I seem to remember- is how Harper recessed the Parliament and how the Queens Consul always goes along with the decisions of the Prime Minister of a commonwealth nation.
I have a friend on the APA ethics committee who has gotten very fierce about this issue. My understanding is that there’s a large groundswell within the profession — a lot of members are seriously wondering WTF? and demanding some accountability. I don’t think we’re done with this one by a long shot.
Thanks for your extraordinary work and for being here Amy and thank you for hosting Sara.
We try very hard to mention the music title and artist – we have been told that Democracy Now! music breaks are among a shrinking outlet for independent artists to get national and international attention – thanks to my colleagues at Democracy Now! for spending so much time searching for the music and getting it on air -
Amy, we’ve thrown a lot at you. Don’t feel like you have to answer it all. Pick up on the questions that grab your interest; we’ll understand if you leave the rest. Lots of great stuff here already.
Juan is an amazing journalist, and will be working for years to come – we are looking forward to his next book, a substantial history of racism in the US media system….
Thanks so much for being here, Amy.
I remember standing outside of the big party that AT&T was throwing for the Blue Dogs at the Denver convention with you. In retrospect it feels like the beginning of all that craziness that would lead to the crackdowns at the Republican Convention.
I look back on that and think about what has transpired since, especially as we’re sitting here with the Democrats breaking every bone they can to pass the worst rollback on choice since Hyde past 35 years ago.
Did you have any inkling then we would be in this place? I sure didn’t.
Uh…Fox News went to court and won the right to lie in their newscasts. The MainStream Media seems more concerned with access than checking the facts. That and stories about missing White Women.
You do know your one of the few people we think can save the Media. But given how the media stocks keep falling since the Fairness Doctrine ended you would think the MSM would have noticed a connection by now.
The column appears in scores of papers around the US, and on websites like Alternet and Truthdig – it also gets translated into Spanish every week, and appears periodically in La Jornada in Mexico – like so much in the independent media world, we rely on people spreading the word themselves, alerting people – the book, Breaking the Sound Barrier, is just another way to try to do what the title says, to break the sound barrier, to get out the voices that are almost entirely excluded by the corporate media.
Yours was to me. As a technical note, there’s a reply button at the bottom of every comment, which keeps the conversation more lucid. You have to wait for the refresh to be complete before ‘reply’ works.
As for Jesse Owen’s middle finger to Hitler, you must weigh that against the 1936 Olympics, and Hitler’s creating it, as restoring Germany’s face, and Hitler’s role putting him in much greater power in Germany. I’d assert that Owens is peanuts compared to what the 1936 Olympics did to advance Germany’s power.
At the risk of loading Amy up with further questions, I’m really interested in how she’s managed to find a niche in the remaining progressive media ecosystem in which a thing like DN could survive and thrive. And I’m wondering where other such niches might exist, or how we might extend the range and create them….
Also, that Party at the Brown Palace. I’d give my eye teeth to see the guest list. I’ll bet you $50 Billy Tauzin was there with Obama.
I know Mark Furman was there – I saw him with my own eyes, and I bet the EFCA death is next.
Hi Jane! Thanks for your great work on healthcare. We always enjoy your appearances on Democracy Now! I remember that party, and the lack of media covering it – it was a harbinger of things to come. Just to refresh peoples memory, then-Senator Obama pledged to personally filibuster any law that would grant the telcos like AT&T immunity for Bush’s warrantless wiretapping, spying on the American people. He not only didn’t filibuster, he supported the immunity law. Before we knew it, the AT&T logo was emblazoned on every DNC 2008 tote bag, given out to thousands of delegates. The day before the convention opened, AT&T threw a party, thanking the Democrats for their support. It was at Mile High Station, yards from where Obama would soon address 100,000 people – the party had mile-high security, stopping the press from getting in – sadly, they didn’t need security – since there was so little media there anyway.
This is why people need to support independent media.
Why?
Hello, Amy, i just read the post introduction and am gobsmacked – i was in DC during those freaky times and i have got to get this book, if only to help me process everything that happened back then. Thank you!
Sorry, I meant Jason Furman. I’ll hit you on another thread about it since it’s OT here.
(Sorry mods and Amy)
I remember Jane and Pach breaking that story here!
Amy was chased down by the SWAT team and some one live blogged the FBI looking around outside their house.
Yeah, Jane and Glenzilla were reporting about the “pre-emptive” FBI arrests and Amy got snagged when the thugs snagged her producers.
That was quite a day, and I wasn’t totally sure there would actually BE an election.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/35087
From Elliots preview of your book Pointing out where the MSM is wrong is a early morning thread tradition here if it were not for the comedy and debunking the lies well I wonder just how many customers the MSM would have left.
People here cite you as a source however nobody argues…well the trolls do and then we squash them.
OK, i’m buying several books.
OOOOOO, not Pach – it was Glen! There’s a power duo.
Hi Kathryn – the last time I heard the term “Gobsmacked” was from Raj Patel, author of “The Value of Nothing” and “Stuffed and Starved” – see his interview at http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/12/raj_patel_on_the_value_of
Also check out the intro to Breaking the Sound Barrier – by Bill Moyers
What ever happened if anything about those crackdowns was anyone ever punished for a real crime or was it just GOP hysteria? If nobody was punished then were the police punished?
I wasn’t sure there would be a transfer of power, either. There was no sign of transitioning out of the WhHouse, still power grabs going on, citizens getting thrown in gulags, – i was really watching. When i saw the practice inaugural parade, i started hoping…
Thing of it is, Kathryn, is that the book is full of perfect little moments like this — things that just link up in ways that make you aware of the persistence of the perversity of power. I kept coming across them, struck by how much got conveyed in these tiny glimpses that have incredible depth of perspective.
Can we stay on topic, please, folks?
Amy, if you’re OK with this, I’d like to bring this back around to the issue of what you’ve learned from putting yourself on these various lines. You always stay cool; you don’t lose your head. I’d love to know more about how you manage this, what’s in your mental and emotional toolbox as you’re dealing with powerful people who are bent on stopping you.
I think it is strategic GOP hysteria. Note how “security”ed to death the Democratic Convention was 4 years ago in Boston. Unbelievable. Like some country was invading and we had to secure the harbor or something. Gadzooks.
Thanks, I’ll look forward to reading that part of the book (as well the rest, of course). Thanks for the links. Stephen Soldz has definitely done tremendous work staying on top of the the APA-torture interrogations issue. More people should be following his blog.
As for the links to military and intelligence agencies, I’d hope you’d follow some of my stories here documenting long-time associations between APA and the MIC, specifically on the interrogations/torture issue, going back deep into the Cold War. (One example)
Thanks for your courageous work! Thanks, Sara, for hosting this great Book Salon.
Sara, regarding the landscape – a couple of points: one thing is to protect the internet as we know it, by demanding net neutrality. Don’t let the telecoms and cable companies write the legislation that will guide the future of the internet. We need to protect all the public spaces, including public access television, an often overlooked and underutilized resource, which is currently under a massive attack by cable and telco giants like Comcast and AT&T – also, people can ask their public television stations to carry Democracy Now! -
Amy, out of all your many experiences with authorities, which one rattled you the most?
Sorry, back ;on topic!
Also, firedoglake working with Laura Flanders on GritTV is another great example of how people can collaborate
Tho, related to topic, because everytime i see a GOP operation like these have been, its informative to see where they put their ‘law enforcement” resources, what were their control priorities.
It’ll be interesting to see if the NPR affiliates might be more amenable to carrying shows like DN! now that the Bushies are gone. No doubt it will take a while for this change to soak through NPR’s administrative culture; but it seems possible we might at least get a default answer that’s something other than “HELL, no!”
Or perhaps I’m hoping too much.
I thought Canada had freedom of Speech? A billion for security X amount to fix the town up for the Olympics did Canada make any money off the Olympics?
great show. brave work.
required listening.
thank you.
I vote for this question… :)
Ms. Goodman, thanks for all you do.
Amy , Being so much about free speech and with the recent detention in canada as a form of censorship. have you examined the increasing privatization of public space in NYC and accross the country. Typical venues where people gather are now privatized and under corporate control. This then allows the corporate state to regulate what is said or expressed in these areas. In NYC they are known as BID or Business improvement districts. These districts then restrict free expression by not allowing solicitation of homeless to ask for money, ( a constitutional right to ask for money as backed by several court precedents) the BID’ds also restrict who and what can happen in these public spaces.. like times square madison park etc… whats your feeling on the privatization of public space?
TCU, see above at #27 re: how Canada’s still in the early stages of figuring out what it really means to have a freedom of speech law. This will be working its way through the courts, which will probably do the right thing in the end. This was a bad impulse on the part of control-happy local burghers, and in the end, it won’t stand.
Actually, early returns are that Vancouver’s economy did very well as a result of the Games. There are ways to run the Olympics that are incredibly expensive; and ways to avoid that. Vancouver, in no small part because of a healthy group of local critics dogging every decision, was pretty careful with the money. It’s a city of tight-fisted Scots bankers, and they’re not known as big lovers of risk.
Has O changed the PBS or NPR Boards? No change in programming will come until the boards are changed, and the way O is oriented, any board change would probably be for the worse.
Interesting you should ask, since Pres. Obama is headed to Indonesia soon (it seems he has postponed to push through health care) – but I survived a massacre in East Timor in 1991, where over 270 Timorese were killed by the Indonesian military, which was occupying the island nation. I write about it in Breaking the Sound Barrier – and talk about it here:
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/11/13/amy_goodman_recounts_the_east_timor
Obama’s head of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, was head of Pacific Command during the Clinton years. After the East Timorese voted for independence in 1999, the Indonesian military razed the country to the ground, killing thousands. Yet Blair had a strong connection to some of the guilty officers, as reported by my colleague Allan Nairn.
See more of Nairn’s reporting here
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/6/obama_has_kept_the_machine_set
and here:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/22/report_intel_nominee_adm_dennis_blair
Democracy Now! is carried on many NPR and increasingly on PBS stations – it really serves as a great news program to anchor a station, or as a complement to existing shows. What matters is that people let their station staff know they they want news programming like Democracy Now!, and that people support their local stations.
I would like to see you get a PBS news show on TV.
That’s good news. It also means that if our local stations are already running DN! and doing well with it, we have an opening to ask them for additional hours of progressive programming each day.
Amy, why are you not on wnyc? I’ve seen you on the cuny cable, but not wnyc radio.
Allan was covering Timor with me at the time of the massacre. While the soldiers were beating me, they severely beat Allan, fracturing his skull. As is so often the case, it was the local populace that suffered the worst. That massacre, the Santa Cruz Massacre, on Nov. 12, 1991, was the not one of the larger massacres perpetrated against the Timorese during the 25-year, US-supported occupation.
One of the main problems is the military force known as the Kopassus. The Washington Post is reporting the Obama administration is considering lifting a twelve-year-old ban on training an elite Indonesian military unit linked to scores of abuses. Under the proposal, the US military would test a training program for younger members of the Kopassus. Four top members of the Kopassus are currently in Washington to discuss the plan. The proposal comes ahead of President Obama’s scheduled visit to Indonesia later this month.
Along with Timor, Indonesia’s military has actively repressed local populations in Aceh and in West Papua, also known as Irian Jaya.
Amy. I give only three donations a year. Free speech TV, Democracy Now!, and our public radio station KXCI. Thank you for coming to visit us frequently! You have helped us maintain a strong far left of center voices! We need it now, more than ever, with more Nuclear Power plants and Uranium mining being planned in the “Solar Capital of the World”. Keep getting out the info on the massive amount of corporate support Obama got from Excelon Corp since he was a Senator in Ill. That long term pay off is now coming to fruition.
I’m happy to say your program is carried on the San Francisco NPR station.
One last torture-related question: will you be following up more on the story Scott Horton broke on the Guantanamo “suicide” murders? You interviewed Scott last January. More to come?
Much thanks, too, for this great interview of Anand Gopal last month, on America’s secret Afghanistan prisons.
One of my big takeaways from the book was something that I know from my work as a social futurist, but will tend to get a bit abstract about until I’m confronted by stories like the ones you tell.
And that’s the fact that power really does not concede anything without a demand; that these bastards are out there everywhere, all the time, and the need to resist them never really ends. And history is not a whole lot more than the recounting of when and how the people got the upper hand, or lost it. There is no long-term “win” — there’s only doing what you can today to keep the balance tilted toward justice. Tomorrow, you’ll need to get up and do it again…and so on, forever.
I think progressives need to learn more about being OK with that. I know the conservatives see their struggle in generational terms: they know it won’t be won in their lifetimes, but every victory is celebrated anyway. It’s a healthy attitude. Your columns, taken as a group, do a lot to convey that perspective.
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I have heard the audio of this event.
very frightening. you were lucky to survive.
Scott Horton, the other one, interviews Scott Horton frequently on antiwar.com.
Also, let me put in a plug for doing a show on Appendix M of the Army Field Manual. Perhaps you could get Matthew Alexander, who had an op-ed recently in the New York Times, to come in and be interviewed, perhaps with someone from CCR? IMO, the subject needs more exposure.
Just sayin’….
Remember, PBS stands for “Public Broadcasting System” – and with PBS’s cancellation of Now! with David Brancaccio and Maria Hinojosa, and the retirement of Bill Moyers, and thus the end of his weekly show Bill Moyers’ Journal, and with the cancellation of WNET’s daily news show World Focus, the PBS system needs news programming.
Also, Democracy Now! helps stations raise much needed funds. DN! currently airs on over 800 stations around the globe, and on those that do fundraising, DN! is usually the top fund raising program. So people should ask their PBS station to carry the show.
I’m bookmarking this column, so many links to good resources.
Oh, the progressives surely know that. We’re still here, after all. The diff, as I see it, is that progressives don’t play dirty and the reactionaries do. Amy, would you care to weigh in on tactics: what they are and what they do or do not accomplish?
Will definitely ask our PBS to carry your show.
Amy thank you. I look forward to your coverage of Obamas Indonesian visit.
And DN is on local tv in anchorage five mornings a week. Also we have Moore up north-who would be happy to have you any thursday night.
Don’t think so: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_11/b4170028317749.htm
The nuclear story is a very important one that we will continue to cover – yes, Obama has received extensive financial support from Exelon, and he has approved over $8 billion in loan guarantees for the construction of two nuclear power plants – the first ones built in the US in over 30 years – at the same time, the Vermont state senate voted to shut down Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant, because of a serious leak.
One good source for news on the nuclear power industry is Harvey Wasserman:
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/7
Also check out Josh Fox’s film Gasland – an amazing film about “fracking” – the destructive process that gas companies are now using to extract natural gas
Here is my recent column on Fracking:
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2010/2/24/cracking_down_on_fracking
Have to say welcome and hello from Tampa and WMNF.
KXCI is a great community radio station in Tucson, Arizona – but Tucson’s absolutely stellar public access television station, Access Tucson, is currently “temporarily” shuttered – and they need people to help reopen the facility and keep it open –
see
http://accesstucson.org/news/2010/03/act-now/
Heh! Ironic that if only they hadn’t been thugs, that story would never have happened.
I wonder if you got the former hockey player? One of the Canadian border agents is apparently a former pro hockey player who hates Americans and loves trying to make their lives miserable — and he can’t be fired, just transferred from one spot to another.
These contracts are for foreign company nuclear reactors. Why not give them to GE? Stimulus should stimulate our economy.
Democracy Now! is carried on WBAI 99.5 FM in NYC, at 8 am, and on stations outside the city as well – see http://www.democracynow.org/stations for a full list of stations and times
I don’t follow this issue closely, so consider my typing that follows as loosely informed. I think that no Olympics make money (nor do they advance whatever non-money-making-crap they are allegedly supposed to do). I remember the Salt Lake Olympics of 2002 got great kudos for its fiscal management, but, other than propoganda, not much real documentation. Remember it was the Mormons who wanted it to appear economically viable. I have skiied at Whistler. There is NO way that area could support Olympic events that were profitable. The altitudes are too low, the snow is ‘Sierra cement’, they had to helicopter in snow owing to low altitudes and global warming. You’ll never get the straight story, but any story claiming economic success is bogus on first principles.
Hello WMNF! Wonderful community radio station on Tampa, and to new General Manager Jim Bennet, who hails from the Pacifica Radio station KPFA in Berkeley, CA. And a hello also to Tampa’s public access station, Speak Up Tampa Bay!
What is the listenership of wbai vs wnyc?
Amy, the tragedy is that there aren’t enough serious and ethical journalists like you. Thanks for your commitment and dedication to what journalism is supposed to be. I look forward to reading your book.
There’s no reason whatsoever to ever build another dirty first-gen nuke plant. Even if you accept the debatable premise that nuclear is a reasonable transition technology, there are several really interesting second-gen nuke technologies that are at or near the prototyping stage.
I say we tell the industry that there will be no more old-style nukes. (Wall Street has already spoken on this; you can’t get funding for them any more.) But we’ll give them $10 billion or so and 10 years to bring one or two promising second-gen ideas to fruition. If they can produce something acceptable in a decade, great. If they can’t, we’re out of the nuke business for good.
This is another front in which the Chinese are already so far out ahead of us that we can’t even see their taillights. They’re moving away from first-gen nukes as fast as they can, and have workable second-gens already online.
Wow Sara and Amy two of my favorite people! As Sara knows one of my goals is to figure out how to defund right wing radio/tv. I’ve been successful with advertiser alerts telling advertisers about the violent rhetoric these host are supporting.
One thing that still astounds me is the way the police and other authorities still seems to think it is the 1960′s and hippies are going to bomb buildings. The right wing on radio is encouraging violence toward the government and liberals at tea parties and other events.
Why do you think that these people are not shut down like the left were during the RNC event? They are the ones bringing guns to events. They are the ones shooting up the UUC church.
But now I’m getting off topic, for which I apologize.
I’d love to see Pacifica expand its reach and base. It’s a terrific progressive resource — and DN! is its crown jewel — but I’d love to see more of that kind of quality on its stations. I’m a pretty regular guest on KPFA (was on just last week), and have been impressed at some of the recent improvements.
I am not sure, but WBAI 99.5 fm is one of the major stations in the Pacifica radio network, with a 50,000 watt transmitter atop the Empire State Building. Democracy Now! has a strong audience across the many platforms that carry it – but WBAI has a strong signal and a rich history – here are some links to our coverage of Pacifica’s 60th anniversary:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/4/15/pacifica_radio_at_60_kpfa_remains
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090414_pacifica_radio_at_60_a_sanctuary_of_dissent/
Amy, you and Spocko might want to talk. He’s got an amazing story about fighting back against right-wing hate talkers — a fight that brought him toe-to-toe with the management of Disney. And he was the one who pioneered the strategies used by Color of Change in their efforts to get Glenn Beck’s advertisers to abandon him.
Is there anything online about the story that you can link to here?
Concur!
Amy, please enlist Spocko! He’s the shizz!
Excelon is an American Company. They will be getting money for the two Nuclear Plants as well as and clean-coal research. Plants are being discussed for Miss. and GA by a Southern Power Co. GE will get their kickback via them tapping into the grid. We have a solar panel manufacturing facility being discussed to locate here, which is a good thing. But get this. The company is owned by China.
Hi Amy. Thanks for EVERYTHING you do! Wow, you do SO much.
What are the best things folks can do to help free Mumia Abu-Jamal and the MOVE 9, who he was reporting on when arrested? Do you have any action advice for these two vital causes for justice and freedom?
THANKS again for all you do!
spocko is the man.
constantly working the system to stymie the right-wingers misusing the public airwaves and public services. also, he has found a way to bring the market to bear against the haters.
As we come to the end of this great Book Salon,
Amy, Thank you for being here today and spending the afternoon discussing your new book and experiences with us.
Sara, Thank you for Hosting this great Book Salon.
Everyone, if you haven’t bought Amy’s must-read book yet, here is a link.
Thanks all.
Hey Amy-
I’m a huge fan of DN!. I watch it online all the time here in Dallas. The question I have for you is about the publisher of “Breaking the Sound Barrier,” which I own. The publisher as you likely know is Haymarket Books, which is the literature arm of the Center for Economic Research and Social Change, which itself is the non-profit controlled by the International Socialist Organization. The ISO is the largest Marxist-Leninist Communist group in the United States. How do you feel about a journalist as yourself publishing with them? I am not against leftist or socialist groups or investigative advocacy journalism, but a Marxist-Leninist group is a tough sell for me, and I’m pretty far left. SO basically the question is how do you feel about the publisher and the groups behind it?
btw, regarding the book – Breaking the Sound Barrier – I do a number of speaking events, and we often have the book available at them – here is the list of events – you can click on any of the listings and email them to people who you know in the area:
http://tour.democracynow.org/
I enjoy meeting people at these events, many of which are fund raisers for the public media outlets that carry Democracy Now!
Thanks, Amy. And also Bev, for setting all this up.
Spocko, would you leave your links here in the thread?
When we see Spocko in the comments, we’ll tell him to call you.
Hard to support yourself, doing what Amy does. So it’s only for the brave heart. Amy care to comment?
Oh one more thing. Glenn Beck has lost 81 advertisers. Right now he is Subsidized by Fox. I attempeted to get someone from the media to address this issue during the NewsCorps financial conference call. There were no takers. The media is being hammered to make money. And they are told that right wing media is the way to make money. Yet they are not covering all the subsedies and sugar daddies (Moon Washington Times)
Keep this in mind the next time the right sneers about public radio vs. Commercial radio.
Hiya eCAHN — Olympics have outlived their usefulness …. for whom?
Coca-Cola, McDonald’s & NBC got alot out of Vancouver’s Winter Games.
THanks so much to you, Bev, and to Sara – tune in to Democracy Now! – on Monday, we will be featuring an interview I did with Noam Chomsky a week ago, analyzing Obama’s foreign policy. I will be back in Boston moderating a discussion with Noam and the great Indian author Arundhati Roy, on April 2nd. And I will be interviewing Arundhati Roy for the full hour of Democracy Now! on March 22nd -
Thanks to everyone for tuning in to this book salon, and for participating! Keep on Breaking the Sound Barrier!
Hey, Spocko, call Amy!
Thanks for today’s salon Sara, and welcome Amy to the Lake.
How accurate you are PPD. Life is ALL about Coke, McD and NBC. /s
Our corporations give us bread and circuses.
Oh, I’ve have to watch those instead of just listening. Really enjoy Roy.
What are his current advertisers paying they can’t be matching what General motors pays.
Just wait until corporations vie with eachother to entrance us with “The Best Circus Evar” – we could pit one group against the other til they destroy each other.
Or we boycott their sponsors.
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http://www.spockosbrain.com/2009/01/brief-spocko-story
I’ll call Amy.
The Olympic motto is the hendiatris Citius, Altius, Fortius , which is Latin for “Faster, Higher, Stronger”.
Faster — Sales growth for “the Real Thing”
Higher — Profits for “the food of Olympic Athletes”
Stronger — By MSM control, redefining what citizens are entitled to know, what they should think, and how they should act
It’s not unlike a certain world renown Peace Prize named after the inventor of high yield TNT explosives.