Laurie Goodstein of the New York Times has religious reaction to Glenn Beck’s rant last week about churches that preach “social justice.” The voice of outrage she quotes is Jim Wallis of Sojourners, saying “What he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith, and Christians should no longer watch his show.” I agree with Wallis, but that’s beside the real point. Beck could care less what Jim Wallis thinks. Folks who read Sojourners are not in Beck’s audience, and that isn’t who he was speaking to.
When Beck spoke last week, he was talking to the Catholics in his audience, particularly those on the far right.
Look again at what Goodstein wrote (emphasis added):
In attacking churches that espouse social justice, Mr. Beck is taking on most mainline Protestant, Roman Catholic, black and Hispanic congregations in the country — not to mention plenty of evangelical churches and even his own, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Mr. Beck said on his radio show on March 2, “I beg you, look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words.”
“Am I advising people to leave their church? Yes! If I am going to Jeremiah Wright’s church,” he said, referring to President Obama’s former pastor in Chicago. “If you have a priest that is pushing social justice, go find another parish. Go alert your bishop.”
Beck doesn’t have any listeners among Jeremiah Wright’s crowd, but he’s got plenty of conservative Catholics. For these Catholics, Beck is equating Wright with that liberal priest you don’t like, and encouraging you to talk to your bishop and get this guy pulled into line.
Now do you see who Beck is really trying to reach?
Ultimately, Beck is speaking to Roman Catholic bishops like Cardinal Francis George, head of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, and Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver, one of the strongest conservatives in the US Catholic hierarchy who is not a cardinal — both of whom have spoken out recently in an effort to try to build bridges to others on the religious right to further their political agenda around abortion, gay rights, same-sex marriage, and other issues of the culture wars.
On February 23, Cardinal George spoke at BYU, and the title of his address was “Catholics and Latter-Day Saints: Partners in the Defense of Religious Freedom.” [pdf] This was the first time a Roman Catholic cardinal had spoken at BYU, and George made the most of it to stress the common cause that the LDS church and the RCs have made to defend marriage. He spoke in the LDS-friendly language of the sanctity of the family and the supposed dangers posed by LGBT rights. “Dear friends, I believe, lastly, that Catholics and Mormons stand together with one another and with other defenders of conscience, and that we can and should stand as one in the defense of religious liberty.”
Less than a week later, Archbishop Chaput spoke at Houston Baptist University about “The Vocation of Christians in American Public Life.” He introduced his remarks like this (link added):
[W]e cannot – nor should we try to – paper over the issues that still divide us as believers in terms of doctrine, authority and our understandings of the Church. Ecumenism based on good manners instead of truth is empty. It’s also a form of lying. If we share a love of Jesus Christ and a familial bond in baptism and God’s Word, then on a fundamental level, we’re brothers and sisters. Members of a family owe each other more than surface courtesies. We owe each other the kind of fraternal respect that “speak[s] the truth in love” (Eph 4:15). We also urgently owe each other solidarity and support in dealing with a culture that increasingly derides religious faith in general, and the Christian faith in particular. And that brings me to the heart of what I want to share with you. . . .
Fifty years ago this fall, in September 1960, Sen. John F. Kennedy, the Democratic candidate for president, spoke to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association. He had one purpose. He needed to convince 300 uneasy Protestant ministers, and the country at large, that a Catholic like himself could serve loyally as our nation’s chief executive. Kennedy convinced the country, if not the ministers, and went on to be elected. And his speech left a lasting mark on American politics. It was sincere, compelling, articulate – and wrong. Not wrong about the patriotism of Catholics, but wrong about American history and very wrong about the role of religious faith in our nation’s life. And he wasn’t merely “wrong.” His Houston remarks profoundly undermined the place not just of Catholics, but of all religious believers, in America’s public life and political conversation. Today, half a century later, we’re paying for the damage.
Chaput went on to use a rightwing understanding of US history, sprinkling his address with plenty of biblical references in a very Baptist-friendly way. Both Cardinal George and Archbishop Chaput had the same purpose — to reach out to recruit allies in their political battles — and both speeches got standing ovations.
Beck — a Mormon himself — was joining this conversation, speaking to the conservative Catholics in his audience. These Catholics have long been upset about priests who talk about “peace and justice” and “social justice,” and raised a big stink last fall about the USCCB’s social justice organization, the Catholic Campaign for Human Development. The bishops pushed back, hard, but the fight goes on.
Simply put, last week was Beck saying this to George, Chaput, and their brother bishops: “If you want to ally yourself with the LDS and evangelicals, you better clean up your own house first and deal with all those lefty peace-and-justice priests. We don’t need allies like that.”
(photo h/t to Catchpenny)




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wrong to have separation of church and state?
we are not a theocracy, no matter how much beck, the fundies, and the catholic bishops want us to be.
The Silver Gopher is launching a Mormon putsch. He’ll soon be advocating for Mitt Romney 24/7.
Code words for what? Socialism? I don’t think Glenn would recognize him if Jesus stood right in front of him and turned a cheek. I could be wrong, of course.
I find it somewhat ironic that I’ve heard fundamentalists say that Mormons and Catholics aren’t really Christians.
Chaput. I cannot tell you the level of disgust I have for Chaput.
He is an enemy of Charity and Dignity, as he won’t even let the gated, pathetic garden on Colfax next to the Cathedral be open to let homeless sleep there, and keeps the front doors of the cathedral locked.
Throws out a middle schooler because her parents are lesbians.
He’s vile and disgusting and should be stripped of his crook and miter.
Speaking of Catholics. . .
Good evening demi. Any job news?
I think I have a bone to pick with you. Was you, was it not, who pumped Ghost Writer? Saw it a couple of weeks ago. I enjoyed it as entertainment, but had plot flaws as big as all outdoors.
On topic. Seems like a civil war between religious nutcases who think doctrinaire issues like the definition of marriage and life are all consuming and all determining, vs. Xtians who think that those who are already alive have some hold on society and its resources. Peterr, correctly me if I’m wrong.
Or, sent to the desert? For 40 years?
Spoke to the guy who’s setting up appointments. He’s going to call me later. They seem kind of laid back, which actually could be a good thing. I had applied two weeks ago. So, just breathing and waiting. Thanks for asking. You can uncross your fingers for the weekend. :)
Oh, Hi, Cellar. My husband was raised as a Catholic and he loves that song.
I prefer to keep them crossed for you. Glad you heard from them, however.
For demi.
Oh, what a friend I have in eCahn…..
(that’s a take off of a hymn, if you didn’t know.)
Didn’t know that. Wonderful to learn. Love sacred music.
I had just posted elsewhere and was sent back over here….Thanks. In brief, I think the Beck mis-step is just great. Many folks of good conscience do consider Jesus a “socialist”….so? Give your life, give to the poor…ABC did quite a reprise of this debate. Maybe some of the fundies can see the socialism, “social justice” in Jesus as a quite accurate interpretation of the Scripture. To repeat myself…Beck said he is not against charity, but against gov’t….well, that is a quibble about the delivery system for giving to the poor. I think this whole conversation may be very interesting….(Thanks, Suzanne)
my pleasure revbev — your comment at action was wonderful and i figured you had not seen this post
All the theocrats will work together until they get that line between church and state erased. If that should happen, they’ll be out padlocking each other’s churches. No more Baptist churches allowed in Utah, no Mormon churches allowed in Texas, etc.
Thanks for the lovely Mozart on a beautiful Friday evening.
Say, is that a fabulous embouchure, or you just puckering up to kiss me?
Did you realize he’s playing a bass flute. Has more keys at the bottom than mine. And, golden too. Puttin’ on the Ritz.
“Social justice” is the sort of thing a “commie pinko” priest in Latin America (or Chicago or Toledo or the Central Valley) does when he counsels workers about their rights and upsets Chiquita.
Beck is tapping into a schism with ancient roots. They go back a millenium, to anti-clerical and anti-sacerdotal movements in the medieval church and further back to early Christian Donatists. They were labeled heretics, in simplest terms, because of their insistence that theirs be a church of saints, not a universalist one that included sinners, and their insistence that the priest be holier than his flock or else he was unfit to administer the sacraments. The church brutally quashed such heretical views.
Mr. Beck is crazy, but there is method in his madness that Father Coughlin would be the first to appreciate.
Huh?
talking to the choir Suz…
Religion has no say in our constitution LEAVE IT THAT WAY!
Frankly, I don’t think Beck has the where withal to think that deeply.
They’ve been saying that, at least about the Catholics, since the French popes lived in Avignon. Extremists see little difference between the pope and the anti-Christ. The lives of some of the medieval ones and isolated actions of oh, say, Pius XII in the 1930′s and ’40′s, make that claim slightly less implausible.
He is, at “heart”, a wacky radio morning DJ. Thinking isn’t in his repertoire, but being thoughtlessly reactionary is.
He’s a dry-drunk howard stern, nothing more.
Really Where the Fuck do THEY get OFF?? Catholics at least have many roots back to the very early days of Believing in Jesus they are all come late to dinner Zealots since Calvin bolted from Roman Catholic Rule a few hundred years ago compared to almost 2 centuries… hmmm I suspect their motives…
Thanks, again…you were right.
Wallis is a very effective voice, however, and respected by a wide swath of folks.
countdown is covering this story on their next segment
Detractors of the “social justice” movement would use the characterization I gave @21. It’s not one I subscribe to, hardly, nor is it one that I think is supported by the gospels or the life of a peasant village Jew. But arch-conservatives oppose the social justice movement, not just generic social justice. They are the kind that would have argued endlessly with Franciscans about the need for cardinals and bishops to live a life of apostolic poverty or one filled with ermine and luxury as befits a prince of the church.
Beck is not just crazy. He has latched onto themes with deep resonance among arch-conservatives. They will ignore his hypocrisy and irrationality. The latter, at least, is consistent with religious ecstasy and blind faith.
On the contrary, those are the actions of a fellow who deserves a promotion to Rome. He’ll get one, too — mark my words.
What was Beck before he was a Mormon, I wonder?
Mormon,
nomroM?
I don’t recognize the Catholic Church I grew up with anymore. The nuns who taught me would whack the hell out of these guys.
Beck is reading a script written by Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes.
Glen Beck doesn’t have the brainpower or the cunning to plan this attack on the Sermon on The Mount version of the benevolent Christ. Ailes and Murdoch and Karl Rove do. Beck is their messenger.
That said, there are plenty of Catholics who will gladly receive Beck’s message. Big on elitism and down on the poor, they don’t want to hear about charity. For the most part, The Church turns a blind eye on poverty as it encourages the world’s poor to breed like rabbits. It’s a refuge for sanctimonious bigots on a fools’ errand.
For a long time the Catholic Church remained on the sidelines with regards to politics. What you have now is a group of clerics who desire to be involved in politics. If you want to do that, then turn in your robes. They are intent on using political power to impose their religious doctrine on those who do not subscribe to their way of thinking. They even attack science, which doesn’t take a position on the belief in a diety.
I thought these MORONS learned something when they attacked Galileo for his support for the “theory” that the earth was not the center of the universe. The Catholic clerics condemned this view as a direct affront to scripture. Kind of the same position they take on evolution. Guess the pope wasn’t infallible on that one. I suspect the current pope still has problems with it.
John XXIII tried to bring the Catholic Church into the 20th century. Concidentially he was in office during Kennedy’s run for the Presidency in 1960. If Kennedy had said now what he said during that campaign, He probably would have been banned from Communion. Every Pope since John XXIII has been trying to turn back the clock and refute that progressive pope.
I am a lapsed Catholic because of the current views of the Church. These IDIOTS go about spouting a right wing agenda which is absolutely diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ. If I remember correctly Christ went around healing the sick and he certainly didn’t charge a copay. Didn’t he say that a rich man had little chance of getting into heaven and the meek will inherit the earth? The right wing zealots and their corporate enablers believe just the opposite. I’m sure Jesus would have been very much in favor of an estate tax.
Let’s not forget that these same clerics were enablers for pedofiles. The problem was not that there were priests that had sick sexual appetites. The problem was that there was a “good old boys” network in the church that just moved these guys from parish to parish and allowed them to remain in contact with children. Then they tried to cover it up and use the law to protect their “wordly” goods. I wonder what Jesus would say? I think he might be a little pissed at what was being done in his name.
Jesus was without out a doubt a liberal. I don’t think he’d appreciate the GOP corrupting his teachings. Especially using that jackass Glen Beck as the instrument.
There is one thing I have learned “listen to Jesus Not the Church that Men have made.” Simple.
What busher said…
I do think it’s interesting that Wallis so directly spoke up to take Beck on in his nutty assertions.
been there, done that.
didn’t make sense from a social justice pov.
peas!
I used to listen to Beck on late night radio before he got on TV. I honestly don’t think Beck knows shit about anything at all. He just says what pops into his head. Somehow he found out there was such a thing as a “social gospel” and the voice in his head condemned it the next day. That’s what he does and it made him rich and famous. Is this a great country?
“That said, there are plenty of Catholics who will gladly receive Beck’s message. Big on elitism and down on the poor, they don’t want to hear about charity.”
And some of them sit on the Supreme Court….
Beck has already been kind enough to explain what the Declaration of Independence really means, what the Constitution really says, what the Founding fathers thought, he can interpret Thomas Paine, channel Jefferson, John Adams, he knows that the Civil war really had nothing to do with slavery, he can read minds, etc. It was only a matter of time before he could tell us what Jesus meant.
I agree. We should have learned the lessons of history when it comes to theoracy.
Moreover, most Americans would crap if they had to follow the rules and give up on their toys–and let the husband be the boss.
How about suffering a homo to live?
They should be carefull what they wish for. Here is an honest no dog shit page
Here is the original No Dog Shit blog
Social justice, economic justice, peace and justice — it seems that what these guys object to is justice of any sort… unless maybe it’s of the eye-for-an-eye variety.
I don’t know, but that would be where he would get the anti-social justice crap from, not Mormonism. Mormons have a church welfare program supported in part by Mormons being called on to fast two meals once a month and donate what it would have cost for food to the Church welfare program. They work for free on church farms and canneries and storehouses to provide food that will be given to the poor. They have endless service projects. They strongly believe in being your brother’s keeper, but are in the camp of not having government do it. They are not doctrinally in the camp that believes riches are signs of God’s favor, but there are plenty of them that believe that. The church is not pro-war and although they believe in protecting Jerusalem because of gatherings of tribes and Armageddon and all in theory, they don’t get involved in the practicalities like evangelicals do. BYU is funded by tithing that is paid by all even if they have no kids or their kids can’t get in to BYU. They are common good people who sing “because I have been given much, I too must give” in their church services.
Mormons strongly believe in being your brother’s keeper, but are in the camp of not having government do it. There is a distrust of government that goes back to the persecution in Missouri and Illinois and to busting up polygamous families in Utah. Ironic that they are okay with laws about marriage now given their history with having their families broken up to make the government happy. No Mormon ever forgets that Joseph Smith was killed by mobs while in jail for what they believe were trumped up charges and double jeopardy at that. They trust the church to take their money and do the right thing with it, but not the government.
Chaput and George, try as they might, do not define the Church or a majority of its people. That said, it is truly disgusting to read, in FDL, stuff like breeding like rabbits – there are Catholics who believe in and use the rhythm method of birth control, which some doctors and nurses endorse, wrongly, in my opinion. Not all Catholics are troglodytes, or dimwitted. A large majority of us are as outraged over the ongoing pedophile cover up as the next man or woman.
But to read, here of all places, code words or phrases which dump all Catholics in the same pot – is outrageous. It is the same as saying all Blacks, all Mexicans, all Jews – and you know where that leads. Please stop it.
Great post, Peterr. I think Chaput’s position on abortion is pretty plainly political. Last September – funny enough, I believe it was a couple weeks before the Stupak amendment was introduced and put the issue front and center – I contacted Chaput about his position on private insurance and abortion. He refused to answer for the record (not that he had any obligation to answer some random blogger’s questions) but I think the overall silence on the issue speaks volumes.
Some history of what happens to priests who actually advocate for the poor and downtrodden. Bishop Helder (When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist .- Dom Helder Camara) was a Brazilian priest who was excommunicated along with others for advocating liberation theology. The person responsible for getting him and the others excommunicated or transferred is now the pope.
In Mexico a few years back the Zapatistas rebelled against the way they were being treated essentially like serfs on land that “belonged” (= was stolen by) the local government casiques. The local bishop supported their complaints because they had very legitimate complaints. For that the hierarchy in Mexico City chastised him on several occasions.
Given the history of the Catholic Church of siding with the power structure whenever possible in order to maintain their own power (e.g., during the various revolutions in Latin America, the church always sided with Spain), I would think that Beck is being heard by a good portion of the upper echelons of the church.
Yes it was me, and I’d love to discuss those alleged “plot flaws” some time.
I was raised a Catholic too. Ditched the whole thing after Confirmation.
The Catholic Church is mankind’s biggest “Closed during out-of-town-tryouts” musical. The sets are gorgeous, the costumes are beautiful, the songs are lovely — but the “book” is hopeless in a way even Abe Burrows and Doc Simon can’t salvage.
Beck truly doesn’t know shit from Shinola. His Massa interview made that clear. He wanted to confirm a whole mess of standard-issue wingnut “Talking Points” about the Democrats. And when Massa went his won demented way, Beck was HELPLESS!
For all his alleged “influence” he’s so easily decimated a five year-old could do it.
It always saddens me to see a “Child Left Behind” – all grown up. Glenn Beck would be a text book case. A year ago on his unintentionally uproarious FOX Noise program, Beck told his television audience:
“First they came for the bankers, and I did not speak up because I was not a banker. Then they came for the A.I.G. executives, and I did not speak up because I was not an A.I.G executive.”
He then looked the camera dead in the eye and ominously told his clueless viewers that eventually “they” (He never specified exactly who “they” were) would be coming for them. It was a gross perversion of the famous Martin Niemoller poem. It was a none-too-subtle effort to compare the Obama Justice Department’s prosecution of corporate criminals to Hitler’s persecution of the Jews seventy years ago. Nice.
Glenn Beck is an idiot. The fact that he has such a huge audience is all the proof you need to make a case for the jaw-dropping stupidity of so many Americans. It’s kind of funny, really.
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