Oh look, a squabble between Jonah Goldberg and David Brooks, a Hi-Powered Titanic Intellectual Clash that offers all the fast-paced drama of a kickboxing match between the Michelin Man and the Pillsbury Dough Boy. How exciting! What compelling, wily antagonists: David Brooks believes, incorrectly, that he is a sociologist; Jonah Goldberg believes, in his case correctly, that his silly book has made an Important Contribution to Serious Scholarship. (True story. It’s reminded Serious Scholars that when right wing dingbats like Jonah Goldberg write books, they’re full of mendacious halfwit crap.)
Goldberg huffs and puffs and blows his ass round because Brooks said that “There are many differences between the New Left and the Tea Partiers…. But the similarities are more striking than the differences.” This is typical airhead punditry — “admire my striking thesis that sounds profound if we all agree not to think about it,” and it’s pretty transparently designed to bolster the pretense that there exists such a thing as Thoughtful Conservatism as distinguishable from the incoherent loutishness of the Tea Baggers, and that therefore David Brooks still deserves to get paid and go on NPR to spout incoherent airhead punditry.
Anyway, Brooks says this grass-roots, spontaneously arising movement of ordinary folks and Beltway Outsiders like, for instance, Dick Armey, is tactically inspired by Saul Alinsky. He offers as evidence for this contention the fact that according to the “software” of Amazon Dot Com, “the same people who are buying Alinsky’s book ‘Rules for Radicals’” are:
also buying books like “Liberal Fascism,” “Rules for Conservative Radicals,” “Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left,” and “The Shadow Party: How George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Sixties Radicals Seized Control of the Democratic Party.” Those last two books were written by David Horowitz, who was a leading New Left polemicist in the 1960s and is now a leading polemicist on the right.
Or, in other words, the people most interested in Alinsky’s book right now are the kind of people who take Dick Armey’s book recommendations seriously, namely, the class of dopes who pay money for things written by clowns like Jonah Goldberg who like to sound smart but wisely choose to give peer review an extremely wide berth. This of course doesn’t prove there are Key Similarities between the New Left and the Tea Baggers; it proves that Tea Baggers like opening up their wallets for frauds, but we already knew that.
Goldberg, however, draws a different conclusion, based upon a comical assertion that the Alinsky buyers are just plain Objective Intellectually Inquisitive, something he knows because they also bought pseudo-smart wingnut welfare books by geniuses like Hoover Institoot shyster Thomas Sowell and Hillsdale College’s RJ Pestritto — Goldberg calls his book on progressivism “excellent and purely academic,” which is exactly what Glenn Beck thinks of it also. So you know it’s Disinterested Scholarship!
But the most fantastic bit of Goldberg’s post is this:
The Tea Partiers are not in any meaningful sense Rousseauians. They certainly don’t reject original sin in any serious way. And I suspect if you asked many of them they would say that the American people deserve their share of blame for the financial mess we’re in. They do believe, I would bet, that America is a basically decent nation that has drifted into a kind of soft-despotism or Nanny-statism. But that vision isn’t Rousseauian, it’s De Tocquevillian.
Actually, it’s deeply confused ancient hoary paranoid silliness, but whatever. The point is, Goldberg is just smart enough to know that he gets paid and fed for telling the suckers flattering nonsense like their sincere belief that Barack Obama is a dangerous hippie is not in fact crazy bullshit, but rather De Tocquevillian. David Brooks on the other hand just has to pretend it’s the rubes who’re the real hippies and non-true-conservatives. Either way, it’s a pretty sweet gig, as long as you can always remember to never, ever, know what you’re talking about.



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hmmmm donuts for saTHERSday nite live
Forbidden donuts!
SaTHERSday!
The teabaggers are actually characterized by inchoate rage, rabid paranoia, and sublimated (or often not so sublimated) racism. That movement has less intellectual content than what currently fills Jonah’s shorts.
the most tempting kind
Babbling Brooks or a shoddily constructed Goldberg device? Tough choice.
Thersaturday Night Donut Fest!
sprinkles even
With the Republicans represented by the likes of Goldberg, Brooks, Armey and Horowitz, why is the jackass the symbol for the Democrats?
Further proof that Goldberg has never read Alexis De Tocqueville:
Yep. And they are also characterized by a lot of disposable income.
And free time.
Good evening Thers, mighty fine post you got there.
I actually read the Brooks column. It was shallow nonsense as usual but he is probably the least deranged of the conservative pundits. Jonah on the other hand, is shallow AND batshit crazy, plus he looks like Dennis Rader the BTK serial killer, making him a journalistic hat-trick from Hell.
Jonah’s great intellectual contribution was proving, once again, that John Stuart Mill was far too generous in his estimation of conservatives.
They are rugged individualists who use their mom’s credit card in the way the Founders intended.
to buy cheetos?
Cheetos and Mountain Dew don’t come free, you know!
And may I say, IF ONLY Obama was an Alinsky-type!
*laugh!*
It all sounds rather Cleese-ian to me.
You are so naughty.
And donuts.
See? It comes full circle!
I’m good with that.
Yeah, that’s kind of the point — like Obama or not, that’s neither here nor there. The objective truth is that he really, honestly, is not a socialist, and it’s crazy to say he is. But if you say that at NRO, no paycheck for you!
But, don’t forget doughnut holes, which was the bon mot du jour at that bi partisan health reform meeting recently. Holes.
i got a song
Me too!
Don’t you mean Barrington Chadsworth IV?
Speaking as an actual socialist, I find the allegation that he is one of us rather insulting as well.
Thankee!
Yeah, I pointed out to a reichwinger last week:
-He’s kept the war going, huge!
-The BUsh administrations lawyers, 2,000 strong, are still in place at DOJ, and keeping Holder from having civilian trials
-Guantanomo, keeps on giving
-Sec. Clinton is threatening war with Iran
How could you not love it, dummy?
Of course, what the winger won’t answer is “He’s BLACK and a SECRET MUSLIM!”
This is among your best phrases ever, sir:
And I always thought De Tocquevillian was our assistant high school principal who used to, ya know, catch us up on the hill next to campus.
‘ere!
This is exactly the ‘debate’ I engage with Orrin Hatch’s FaceBook friends on the right: we just wish Obama was the lefty you all think he is! But no, he’s simply another moderate GOP who wants to please absent daddy, in the person of Wall Street MOTUs and white-haired Senators.
Drives them mad.
See, he fails at everything, including being a socialist. (sigh)
Not you too?
Oh, we’re all in trouble. crooked *g*
dayam porch is getting crowded
To be fair, Obama never claimed to be a socialist, just a “moderate centrist”, so we cannot blame him for that.
What’s a drag is that the music was better in the 90s, when this happened before. Also the dress code was easier.
What’s the cookie du jour today?
That’s what happens when you don’t STAND for something; at least after the election cycle.
They are ever so clever.
shot gun or carburetor? Fuel injected?
Oatmeal raisin, chocolate chip walnut.
Did I miss something here? Was Rube Jonah’s great uncle or grandfather?
It just makes me tingle.
Thankee!
Incidentally, speaking of peer review, one of the big climate denialists just got pretty badly spanked after venturing too close to peer review.
Not that it matters if we can’t get a real climate bill, which, it seems, we can’t.
We can’t get a real anything bill because everything has to be bipartisany goodness now, and GOPs are loons.
Oats and walnuts are both healthy and I’m on a health kick so I’ll take a dozen of each. :-)
Gimmee a half an hour. On their way to youz twos.
It’s such a splendid Saturday evening, don’t you think?
loons
Oh, my god! I just was bipartisan with my cookie making. Chocolate chips And raisins. Fuck me.
Not really. You know what I mean. I’m pretty sure.
Beautiful. Reached 50 here today. Swimsuit weather.
All the deniers got pretty badly spanked this week by the new study (which I can’t find right now) showing nothing other than human actions can account for climate change over the past century.
Hah! Got all the way to 55 here and all the coeds were out in their bikinis!
Just another study for them to ignore. Hell, they won’t even admit the climate HAS changed.
I doubt if any of the students here were that bold but wouldn’t know since I mainly avoid the part of town until they leave.
Indeed. “Can’t save the planet, it would upset Olympia Snowe too much.”
Not actually true here, but have to say that they were showing an awful lot of skin today when I took my walk along the river.
Strictly speaking, wouldn’t I be the thankee, and you would be the thanker?
I consider 50s shorts weather, just need long sleeves.
sathersday nite! It must be the donuts that caused me to show up so early.
Evolution: If you don’t believe it, chances are it hasn’t happened to you.
Poor you! Ha.
I’m listening to the Allman Brothers….Whipping Post. My goodness, that man can sing. What an ear. Right on it.
So, are these two bums jelly donuts or cream filled ones?
That plus the businesses just can’t afford to deal with the costs of saving the environment. They did their cost-benefit analysis and it just cost too dang much.
Which version? Aren’t any bad ones. I like the Zappa covers too.
Shorts and long sleeves, that’s so wrong on so many levels.
It’s on an Allman Brothers Best Of I bought for a xmas present. Pipes is what I’m saying. Pitch.
What if you’re wearing cowgirl boots?
Quit spying on me!
OK, sleepy me. Niters!
Time for me to toddle off. I had way too much fun last night and I am dragging a bit today. Take care all.
g’nite thers
Night, Thers.
It’s a look, fer sure. I’d be lying if I said I never did that.
g’nite dr dick
Doctor, doctor. White light dreams to you tonight, sir.
You have been really funny all day.
You crack the shit out of me. Thanks and good one on ya and yours.
g’nite Thers and Dr Dick and Dr Smoke.
Well in that case, you can’t exactly be any more silly, can you? :-)
Goodnight Thers
Like this?
Thanks. I think my Padre bashing may have been wearing a bit thin on some though. ;-)
You really should go easy on the clergy. :-)
Ack, I’ve just got to say this Muse Video really works for me…
Did someone say Dr Smoke??
Speaking of clergy, did you read about the latest Vatican scandal? Some choir dood was pimping out a divinity student to one of the pope’s helpers.
something we didn’t already know? What with what has happened all over the globe with the priests!!
Wow! Who was playing lead guitar for Lou Reed? He was really good for a follicly challenged CPA.
Not to mention the baseball team…
And Lou was actually cute, not scary.
My lens, of course.
If we want to go glam, let’s talk about the legendary Tim Curry
I dunno, that song sounds made up.*
The background scenery is pretty cool.
*I used to work in a place that cranked a “classic rock” station all the time. Hearing a Foreigner song once is too much for me, a hundred times drove me well beyond the brink of madness. Anyway, whenever a coworker said they liked some song on the radio I would reply that it “sounded made up.” After several years someone finally had a couple random synapses fire in the correct sequence and informed me, “But all songs are made up…”
No, not scary at all….He looks better wearing men’s clothes though he wasn’t bad in a frock either. ;-)
That’s good, think I prefer it to the Little Feat rendition.
The late Robert Quine. Another fine musician who left us too soon.
See, this makes me weird. I see women in pants, jeans, shirts, boots so much easier than seeing guys in frocks. I don’t know. Just how it is for me. I know, I know. I’m weird.
both are Good.. especially at those times..my friend.
I don’t much care what they do when everybody is a consenting adult, although I think like marriage, don’t take vows you can’t keep.
Wow! Thanks for that tidbit. I thought I knew guitar players but that one came out of the blue. It’s a poor day when you don’t learn something new and a wasted day when you don’t hear a new song.
I hope people don’t hate me for saying that.
That was mid-’80s. He’d cleaned up and was looking pretty fit. Still going strong. I think among other things life with Laurie Anderson has been good for him.
Depends on the guy I think. I can get over Lou Reed in a dress much easier than I can Gene Hackman for example.
I don’t care what they do either as long as they aren’t telling women what to do with their bodies. And telling other people where to put their bits.
Nah! It’s a matter of preference is all. I didn’t hear you say that a man would burn in hell for wearing a dress. Glam had it’s place but the world has moved on and it needed to.
Don’t you remember him in Bird Cage. Not bad, actually.
Don’t even ask me what I found in my son’s room when he moved out and left a bunch of stuff. And, I didn’t throw anything out. The shame was that nothing fit me. No time for judgement here.
That is just so wrong hunny! LOL!
I think it’s time for me to turn in. Dunno what I’m turning into yet but I need to sleep when I do it. Oyasumi nasai koinu!
I do. That’s what I was referring to. Saw it again today in fact.
g’nite margaret
Sleep tight. No bugs or anything like that.
True but that’s a problem with most religions. All about power and money.
I think it fits into a formula, first, require people to adhere to some impossible rule, second, failure makes them feel guilty so, third, inform them that they can buy their way back into grace.
LMAO! Well I won’t ask or make you tell. Goodnight all.
I guess I’m out too. Sleep well, all.
People are so dumb sometimes.
good night all.
g’nite demi
g’nite Margaret and demi
guess I’ll join the exodus, splendid evening to all
Night demi, flat, everybody. :-)
g’night, suz. kiss that little furry guy for me, will ya?
g’nite mary mcc
g’nite rat
I ain’t leaving. I was just saying good nite to the others.
Hey Suz!
*taking back g’nite*
Gosh. Who is left? Are we alone? Is Kelly still here? Sure is quiet.
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What was that noise?
Hey Mary Mc – hope things are going ok for Ron – apologies if you have already explained upthread
Bwah hah hah!
Wait, wait I’m still here and have not read a single comment here. We are watching Moulin Rouge… Kelly!
We found out yesterday that he did not have a heart attack. They did a blood test that showed he did and that he had fluid in his lungs. But when the stress test results came back they showed his heart was in great shape. He was having reflux problems. Funny. When he had heart problems years ago they thought it was reflux. He came home right after the doc told us the results.
HURRAY!
hah hah bwah!
you scary.
HURRAY! Glad to hear it, Mary. Such good news. You guys have been through so much.
……..
voule
I know. It is just plain silly.
Tomorrow we are joining a gym so we can both get more fit. Going vegan, too. I just can’t eat critters anymore.
tis a good plan mary
Based on his appearance on Comedy Central, David Brooks is becoming a poster boy for the doughboy’s “fat and happy” character.
Wha?
Doughy Pantload trying to be intellectual is like my fucking cat trying to type. So far, she hits the space button on a regular basis, so does he.
Hmmmm, right down the street from me is “Goldberg’s Bagels”
The vast majority of Americans are struggling to keep a roof over their heads and pay for groceries. They wish the government would help them survive, but most don’t have time or interest in the partisan tit for tat punditry from the left or right. They don’t have the luxury of being that righteous.