So, I didn’t get a chance to watch yesterday’s healthcare reform talkfest, but it seems as though things went largely as expected: Republicans postured and gave excuses, the president pretended to listen, and today the White House is announcing its intentions to proceed as soon as next week with a plan that will likely garner only Democratic votes.
As David Dayen wrote just a little earlier this afternoon, “Those media members who actually paid attention to the substance of the arguments and not the ‘optics’ saw pretty plainly that Republicans aren’t interested in fixing the health care crisis.”
You and I already knew this, of course. But then, as I noted (along with Jon Walker and just about every other sentient observer in the universe), that was the point of having the televised summit — to make clear to people on the lower rungs of the information ladder why a “bipartisan” approach to solving the healthcare problem is impossible.
Those of us watching from a closer distance just wish the Democrats were better at it, that’s all. But some of the news tidbits surrounding the summit suggest they might be learning a little bit. An article in Politico quoted Rep. Rob Andrews as identifying a crack in the GOP front that should be exploited:
“Look at the difference between Tom Coburn and Mitch McConnell,” Andrews said.
Coburn offered a number of ideas that Democrats could incorporate into their bill, like preventing fraud in Medicare, while McConnell read poll numbers.
If, like some, you wondered why Obama, Pelosi, and other Democrats wasted time praising a generally reprehensible Republican like Coburn, it’s because he stepped into the trap — as long as the debate is about how to solve the problem, the progressive side (which actually cares about solving it) holds the advantage. And when even one Republican joins the debate on those terms, the pretense of his colleagues is easier to expose.
A braver, more assertive Democratic party could easily push further in this rhetorical direction. Rather than compromising almost instinctively every time the GOP spouts a faux-populist talking point, President Obama could state clearly that he’s completely open to Republican ideas for solving problems — but that doesn’t mean he has to give the time of day to flimsy excuses, made-up controversies, and the other distractions that make up the right’s preferred fodder for public discourse.
Who knows? Maybe if Obama made the Republicans pay more of a price for engaging in such BS, they might be slightly less inclined to pursue it.
I mean, it’s not like, “Lead, follow, or get out of the way” is such a hard philosophy for even low-information voters to grasp.




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Zed!
True enough.
But handing the GOP a real talking point, a real populist agenda item like the IndyMandate – that’s like handing over the knife, the gun, the shield, a cocktail, and the point.
The republicks were for the mandate before they were against it. I guess one would have to figure out which face you’re dealing with when talking about the senate repugs.
Makes you wonder if the GOP is planning to primary Coburn.
“Dude is about getting things done, dammit!”
I think they love the mandate. It’s a double-win. They get to campaign against it on populist grounds to their dying breaths, and they can’t be blamed for a policy they adore, should it be enacted.
I really liked Coburns idea of having “patients” that were there to expose abuses. There might be some republican votes if this were incorporated in the side car.
I’m thinking the rate hikes (Rachel mentioned 75% increases) are there specifically to pass the bill…
It’s a mistake to characterize the Democrats as not being good at political spin. They know exactly what they’re doing. The fact that liberals think they’re scared or incompetent or good intentioned is silly. The spineless Democrats are spineless insofar as the spinelessness is choreographed. And they portray themselves that way because they have to in order to pass a corporate agenda. If the corporate agenda called for a public option, we would have had one a year ago. Stop treating them like scared kittens.
I’m sure you’re right.
But acting against your own best interests politically is suicide. The Dems could do plenty to deliver to Big Business without killing themselves, and still, they hand over the initiative to the GOP. Astonishing lack of savvy… for which I guess we should be grateful.
Preventing fraud in Medicare???
Why doesn’t he just suggest that we all have an apple pie and buy a Chevy? I don’t know of anyone other than the fraudsters who doesn’t think that cutting fraud and waste in Medicare is a great idea.
And as far as McConnell reading poll numbers, the ass didn’t even read the right poll numbers. A bunch of the people who think this version of health insurance reform isn’t worth the electrons I’m expending to send this feel that way because the bill is neither strong enough nor comprehensive enough.
Average Americans don’t give a flaming flying fuck in a rolling donut about bipartisanship, they want results. I can’t figure out if Obama’s obsession with bipartisanship is a ready-made excuse for failure or stems from some (other) mental malfunction but either way it spells defeat.
Political suicide is not delivering for your corporate funders. It’s obvious Democrats don’t fear the public or their base at all. Why should they?
If you want bipartisanship, join the frikking Biparty.
I think that stark differences should be exposed. It’s clear that the right wing is nuts, and letting them in the tent is equally nuts, as it only legitimizes them.
Partisans!
Well some of the hand-overs are purely intended as bi-partisan. But some of the stuff they give over is just plain stupid. Imagine 16 months ago, a Democratic HC plan that allows the Republicans to scald the Dems at the populist stump, fork over to their donors enormous windfalls, AND delivers seats in the Legislature.
It is enough to make Howard Dean sit in the corner and cry
There’s a biparty? Can’t be any GOoPer’s involved, because they’re all closet cases.
Dems might as well change their name to The Bipolar Party.
Washington Dems must be the worst poker players in the universe.
Hmmm, but they’re looooonging for bi-ship.
Ask ‘em! Make ‘em an offer!
Then they get all coy and say “No!”
You KNOW they want it. Heh.
or stems from some (other) mental malfunction
lol
Obama is fundamentally a conciliator, a reconciler. He fundamentally believes that we all have enough common interests that we should all work together to find solutions.
I recognize this in him, because it’s near the core of my own beliefs. But I’ve learned the hard way that winning is much more important to some people than making progress is.
As Dr. Henry Kissinger said, “Academic politics is cutthroat because so little is at stake.” It’s unfortunate that today’s GOP missed the qualifiers in Kissinger’s dictum. President Obama is a smart guy, and he’ll figure it out one of these days.
Well, here’s what I’ve noticed about all this while driving this week from the buckle of the bible belt to Wichita Falls Tx and beyond. I’m out here tryin to find out what the hell is wrong with people anyway, how did everyone get so lame?, etc. We post travel and nearly every day.
http://roadblues-kitty.blogspot.com/
come on along if you like. i manage to get some pictures on the site as well. FYI I have NO plan. I sold my house in Maine and am out here lookin for some answers … some major decisions to make. Just moseyin. Later, alligators.
I really must say Rolling Stone article on how after the Presidential election the Obama political machinery was given to DLC who promptly muffled all the progressive campaign promises. That made the shift from populism to arm twisting lobbyist politics. Obama gave away his power. Then goes a step further to placate Republicans.
Now he is going with the Dems…so yesterday was his way out of these woods?
Midterms could be good if The Dems start doing what Pelosi did yesterday…make the Rs wear there baggage like a scarlet letter.
yeah, Maybe. But why does he have to be the last one?
Swopa, you want a crack?
Am I the only one on the fucking planet that realizes that Coburn proposed hiring a massive number of new federal employees and sending them out into the U.S. medical system to secretly spy on Americans?
If I wanted to piss off Beck style teabagger conspiracy theorists, I would propose the sort of “massive federal over-reach by jack-booted thugs” think Coburn did.
It is political malpractice that Democrats are not making Coburn big man on campus and playing up how awesome his big government solution to health care reform. They should be proposing the “Republican Tom Coburn massive federal hiring so we can send out federal spies to your doctor’s office Bill”.
It is this damn easy.
My Aunt Marion is a diehard republican, and I got her to admit that everyone should have healthcare like her medicare.
She fought, but in the end she admitted that she was worth no more than anyone else.
Some time back I posted a comment along the following line.
Despite attempts by the admin to rebrand Obama as a populist I have seen nothing that inspires me to revise that final assessment.
What fun! What freedom!
If the Dems were smart, they would have started the HC push by secretly negotiating a planned Public Option with AHIP, and limited exactly how competitive the PO would be…
Thereby delivering the lion’s share of clients to private insurance interests AND keeping their reelect afloat.
But no, they handed all the political initiative to the GOP, spent all their political capital in August, and now look like fools to their own voters.
Gawd help me, did I really type that?
I agree, except for that at the risk of wrecking your excellent formula, I don’t think he has to have bad intentions, and not be bright.
I think Obama did a brilliant job yesterday.
Strike that – if they were smart, they would have waited until after the off-year.
I base that on the perception that not only has he failed to act in the best interests of average Americans, he hasn’t even been effective at selling us out.
Au contraire, mon cher raton!
The sale is just not complete, but definitely underway. The price after all is in the billions, and those deals take a while.
For the not-low-information voters, it was kinda brilliant.
Thanks. You and mr food are speaking for me tonight.
Glad.
How many slaps does he need before he wakes to the surety that they are using him, using him up, getting their agenda items FROM him, and stocking up for the election?
The non populist power is playing pork barrell politics with the lobbyist. That is the Change Obama promised not doing business as usual. When he gave his organization to the DLC he no longer had the power to change. Read the Rolling stone on how Organizing for America was not used. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32208415/in_defense_of_ofa_mitch_stewart_on_losing_massachusetts_and_obamas_first_year
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In Defense of OFA: Mitch Stewart on Losing Massachusetts and Obama’s First Year
I’m not griping at you, I just have to say:
Brilliant at what? Forum for legitimizing the Republicans? Check.
He gave them the “seriousness” label instead of “bat-shit-crazy” which is driving me nuts.
What do you mean? I’m not low info. I think he accomplished his goal, to show that republicans have no interest in HCR.
Best explanation I have seen for how we got into this mess…
Who was watching? Us.
Who is interested? A lot more.
Where do most of the interested but low-info types get their takes? The Washington Post, the New York Times, Katie Couric.
Kelly, I think he showed the difference in basic philosophy. Democrats protect the people from the corporations, and republicans protect the corporations from the people.
More people watched this than watched the SOTU.
Please, no remarks about my personal habits… :-)
Sorry about the delay, newton. I don’t know what the problem with this $&#*ing wireless network is.
Obama is late realizing it for a couple of reasons:
1. Giving up deeply held values like that is difficult. I thought Kissinger was joking until I got caught up in an academic political s***storm. He wasn’t joking at all.
2. Obama has surrounded himself with a bunch of DLC types. Ask my wife what I said when it was announced that Rahm Emmanuel was going to be his Chief of Staff. Rahm is not a Democrat, he’s a crypto-Republican. Those folks work for the President, sure. But their values, their friends, and the folks who will take care of them when Obama’s a retired President are working for the Corporations. They fundamentally remember their friends.
Pray tell what does this have to do with the topic?
There’s a problem with that.
The Senate Bill doesn’t protect people from corporations. And the ‘Thugs got in the “mandate” with no PO.
See where I’m coming from?
Remember Pelosi supporting GW Bush standing behind him taking accountability off of the table. Wiggle girl and that was what Obama was doing yesterday. Did not look at her when she was delivering the meaningless punch. It was all show and no go. No brilliant.
If the Dems do not start holding people accountable then they are part of the Sting operation on us American citizens. After a $2 trillion giveaway to the banksters that destroyed the economy fo rthe next 5 years, the job market and the attack on the safety net Obama is no hero. Either he is stupid, he is a pawn or a very selfish man.
Yes, Obama put on a good SHOW.
He still does not support a PO so he IS serving the American people… to private insurance companies.
“Democracy is the theory that the common man knows what he wants and deserves to get it… good and hard.”
-H.L. Mencken
The Dems got the mandate in, not the Thugs. Dems never wanted a PO, the public are merely a flock to be fleeced.
I have never characterized Obama as a populist. He made some populist noises during the campaign, but I saw nothing in his record to believe him much. Obama is a moderate. If we get a workable health care reform, financial services reform and a few not-batshit-crazy judges we will have done well.
It’s a thread about bipartisanship. Read any of my comments in context and they’re all on topic.
Yes, totally, but what is this exchange?
We have to face the fact that it is not just Emanuel bot also Obama who is crypto-Republican.
That is unless he is being held hostage by the evil Dr.Emmanuel-en-stein. Obama is so passive and plain silly that I do sometimes wonder if that is the case.
If we get ANY of those things I will be shocked.
I mean they “got it in” in the Summit. “You’re forced” etc. during the polling talk.
And the ‘Thugs were right; mandate is unpopular. And that’s what galls me. the ‘Thugs were given “serious” status in that forum.
I don’t have any problem believing any of this.
If we (he, they) were only tackling he little stuff while Obama gets his wings, we could be more confident. But so far, they have botched HC, the stimulus, the bailouts, appointments and confirmations, and prosecutions of war criminals within the government.
We are running out of big things, and when he does wake up, it will be small-ball, I fear.
This IS Late Night, so topics are a bit more fluid.
That makes sense to me. Surround yourself with those folks and you will be known by the company you keep. Escalate war, give away the treasury keep all the BUSHCO people in government, DOJ etc. How can anyone in their wildest imagination say Obama has done the job he said he would. By bipartisanship he has done the opposite. He by his own statement is bipartisan. Looney here folks. Time for cold showers and watch the midterm damage. People are hurting in this country financially and health wise. Where are all the Green jobs? Obama has shit all over us.
OT to Kelly
I don’t see any mention of political bipartisanship in what you said. Unlike my post the other evening which was on topic and intending to be supportive, yet earned your personal attack on me.
Respect is as respect does.
But he stated, absolutely, that he wants the 30+ million people covered.
In fairness, regarding the mandate they are correct.
And particularly galling is the fact that Republicans undoubtedly LOVE the mandate… in private. They can let Dems serve the corporate powers-that-be AND win back the majority without any action on their part.
Agreed. Moderate is now seen as liberal.
He absolutely wants 30+ million people covered by junk insurance purchased from private insurers.
I hope you’re wrong. I fear you’re right. If the Republicans make headway in November in the Senate it will be small ball for sure.
Today I found out my medi-cal was extended for another year!!!!!!!!!!! I was worried. So Obama only needs to cover 29,999,999 more people.
and I feel very, very lucky.
hugs
Right. On the Democrats’ dime. On the Democrats’ backs.
Woo-hoo! Congrats Mary!
And we’re poorer for it in so many ways.
Thanks.
Congrats, Mary.
It’s a disgusting statement about this so-called society that you had to sweat that.
I’m not for stopping. I’m for relentlessly kicking their butts up and down the beltway. But it seems better to know the scale of the mountain, no matter how daunting.
What I can’t predict, though by now I should be better at it, is where the next badly-played hand will appear.
Bingo!
Way-To-Go!
I’ve been hoping to exit on a positive note but doing a piss poor job of creating one, so I am going to take your good news and bow out. Best to you and Ron.
Splendid evening to all.
YOU PEOPLE, are losing it. Start to finish.
Pressure is on, there’s an election in November, n that’s scarin and sweatin the Dem’s, Senate, and WH.
NOW is the time to rachet up MORE pressure for a FULL PO or even SP I don’t care!
But now is the time to rachet up pressure.
We progs have hope, all y’all get it.
Good news!
I am trying to come up with some funny scenario but it just make me feel sad.
I would disagree. He’s fighting against junk insurance. He’s fighting for an exchange (which I don’t totally understand) where people can buy insurance in competition with the Wellpoint types.
Good night RF.
You are due for some good luck…congratulations I hope Ron is covered too. People don’t seem to understand that universal coverage can be written so people are not paying big premiums for health insurance. $12,000.00 for a family of 6 is a burden when there are no jobs. Instead of making the middle people rich that can go for food shelter and clothing.
cool! I’m sure you were not alone on that front!
If you are not disappointed, sad, angry, you are probably comatose, or a Neo-con.
So there’s that.
Ron isn’t covered now. He hasn’t had insurance for five years. By hook or crook we have been able to get the testing he needs and the meds. He turns 65 in six months.
nite ratfood
“Who knows? Maybe if Obama made the Republicans pay more of a price for engaging in such BS, they might be slightly less inclined to pursue it.
I mean, it’s not like, “Lead, follow, or get out of the way” is such a hard philosophy for even low-information voters to grasp.”………
So it’s all Obama’s fault….Just like everything else discussed here. Looks like bitterness doesn’t take the weekend off.
If we stop, the corporatists will take over for sure. And as my brother put it, “A Democrat won’t hurt you by accident nearly as badly as Republic will intentionally.”
At least we’ve got a mountain to climb.
Can you explicky the difference between the PO and the exchange? Maybe the exchange involves current insurance companies?…
Geebuzz, is there a hint of a thread of a point of view there or is that pure fuckity fuck bullshit?
I don’t have Xtian language skills, I must admit.
The next badly played hand is going to be financial services reform.
Right.
The leader of the Democratic Party, the guy who is ultimately responsible for policy, good or bad…
Is Ben Nelson!
Why didn’t I figure that out the first time?!?
WTF? newtonusr, help me understand that statement.
Loo Hoo, there are House and Senate bills up for grabs at this point.
MY point of view is that NEITHER of them are etched in stone.
And the longer we drag this out, the likelyhood the further left it will all end up.
That’s my posit, that’s my hope.
That’s all I got . . . .
Agreed that Ben Nelson and his hairpiece need to GO.
I think he was referencing my sad comment. No biggie.
Ahh, now I get your question.
The PO means that if you fall into the private insurance market, that you would have the option of buying/paying into a government payer plan. Like Medicare.
Exchange means that there is a National Standard for insurance companies, and all the plans are comparable on one site, so you could pick among them.
These are 2 different ideas, and the PO could be part of the exchange system, but no PO, no choice, except for what is on the Exchange.
Being awake, marginally cogent, one is aware of one’s surroundings, and is probably disappointed with the state of our affairs. But unbowed.
I agree. Should have been done a year ago.
Short version:
Public Option is Medicare for everyone who needs it, and (eventually) for everyone. It might end up Medicaid for everyone under 18, Medicare for everyone 18 and over.
The exchange in its simplest form would open up the Federal Employee insurance system to everyone who needs access to it. Purchasers would be responsible for the full premium. No proposal exactly like that made it even into committee much less out, but that is the basic idea.
What are you drinking, Kelly?
Kelly drinks?
Merlot! And cheap too!
*holds glass out*
nite and thanks.
Kelly, love ya mookie, but given what exists in BOTH chambers, that’s UNresolved, your precepts are valid but not certain.
We the people have NO idea what will transpire, WRT to HCR.
Not yet, not at all.
It’s all still up for grabs, from the WH greed and buyouts, to any other determinations.
In the meantime, now and as usual, is the time to hammer yer reps, senators, and the WH.
As we move closer to November, and the election coming, the pressure we the people have to exert expands exponnentially.
I’m sure I don’t have to tell ya this . . ;-)
Ya mook. ;-)
And cooks!
excellent!
Cheap merlot? Here’s a glass of Mrs. Dr. BC’s Black Box Merlot. It’s actually quite good… great when you consider what it goes for.
Thanks, bless ya . . . *bows*
I want to respond to your opinion. First the buck stops at the white house. Your man, I voted for him reluctantly as I knew his past a bit, made many promises to us if we would vote for him. His administration has not been transparent. He moved to the DLC then to the right with R leaders. he made backdoor deals with Insurance industry. He took PO off of the table during all of those talks. That was HIS decision. Your message is corporatist. Essentially spying on Americans and torture are OK and looking forward is a way of giving the criminals in the Bush administration a pass on accountability that we all have to live with.
One of the tragedies is the loss of our countries reputation and our military’s pride in being a good and fair. It was really good after the WWII then has gone downhill. We did not need to be known as torturers or murders of civilians. Even many conservatives have expressed these concerns. You make your bed and you sleep in it. Obama could have moved in a different direction but chose to take u with BUSHCO and his Wall Street cronies. That was not my choice. I will reserve my final remark to you in deferece to the MOD and the site. Crap is crap.
I’m not guessing about anything. Just saying what was in the concepts.
Now as for a guess….
No bill. At all. Pain all the way around the country. Dems lose seats.
BOXED IN!!!
*G*
Peter Villa!!!!
I don’t quite get all yer sayin, but if it’s about WEAK PO, and kill the bill, I’m for kill the bill.
Got cheap merlot?
*G*
Yes, I’m disappointed with our state of affairs. Rocked by the corruption in the DOJ and in ethics committees. Rocked by the failures of the CIA and our military personnel wrt torture. Horrified by the torture and the Citizens United decision.
But…what are you going to do but support Obama? He showed his ability yesterday. If he speaks privately with his teams the way he spoke yesterday for the cameras, and I’ll assume he does, this can only become a much better country.
Okay, but if everyone were able to buy into the fed program, at least they actually be covered. And the income disparity would be covered as well.
My network is on the fritz again. Good night, ‘pups.
I haven’t given up. I am, however, disappointed in the stodgy stance taken by our point-man.
:(
nite bct
Loo, and Newt, love ya both and all Pups.
We live in a time and place of stuff that’s worse off for the middle class and lower.
And if yer a part of the middle class and lower, yer not long for the trails and travails we’re all facing.
We all will hang together, or separately.
I’d sooner hang with all y’all . . . and pass with my vigor.
You?
Same. Sorta.
PRESIDENT OBAMA BELIEVED WHAT HIS OWN STUMP SPEECH AND HAS TRIED TO IMPLEMENT IT, BUT………
I was present when Barack spoke 36 times during his run for the nomination and in the general election. I campaigned for him in five states as a volunteers whose job allowed me to work from the road. When you say what he said so many times a day and so many days in a row, it works its way into your consciousness. He believed in what he was saying from Day 1, but by day 1000+ HE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BELIEVED. He was the change that he believed in.
He has been acting on that belief since the inauguration. And he has had mixed success making the belief into action and the action into accomplishment.
Bit by bit, the belief has given way to certain realities. I think the core of his political/social faith is still solid, but the framework in which that faith rests has been altered. One of those alterations was very apparent yesterday. The Barack who was in the room yesterday at Blair House was PRESIDENT OBAMA. He ran the show, made up the rules as he went, called on who he wanted to, ignored those who annoyed him, broke into others’ comments, shaped and reshaped the commentary and the questions, AND referred to everyone by first name as they referred to him as Mr. President and sir.
The Spirit of LBJ (with a bit of Truman) was hovering about the room. Presidents must command respect (and a piece of respect is fear/anxiety). I think he gave them something worry about. AND by them I mean both the Dems and GOP. To both he sent the message that we are getting this done.
For the GOP there was no reason on earth to cooperate with the President and his Democratic allies when he walked into the room. What did they have to worry about? During the past four weeks there have been moments when it seemed as if the President was getting ready to change the game. I think the game changed yesterday. I certainly hope it did.
I know you want to believe. But here’s the thing.
The course has been proscribed for the longest time. Here is video i took September 3rd at my critter’s (Diana DeGette) Townhall.
You only need to watch until about 2:10 in…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7EWMZAEDHU
This is exactly where we are. And the Prez has said the Senate Bill is his baseline, as of this week.
Those are the facts.
Yeah, I was a bit unclear . . . . my bad.
I’m just pissed . . . *G*
About it all.
Sigh.
Thanks for enduring my lack of clarity . . . ;-)
Thank goodness!!
I remember Murph The Surf . . . . on the radio.
This is just not the best of him. And he was DECADES ago, Murph was.
Sigh
No prob.
Don’t believe a word of that. Sorry. No disrespect intended, I just don’t believe it.
I am extremely disappointed.
All yer missin Mookie, is the fact of prog pushback and the pressure the ’10 elections bring to bear!
Dude, we are SO not out of time . . .
In fact, the pressure and the time we have, are on our side.
It ain’t over, Mookie.
*G*
The LBJ bit in particular.
He would have brought his shovel. Hell, he would have invited the GOP to a BBQ and made a meal of them.
Agree, but there is the politics to consider. He’s been bashed all over the place, and the media has been horrible. I still think he’s eye is on the ball, and that after his re-election he can comfortably take on these issues. Maybe I’m dreaming, but I still have some level of hope.
I will bet you a bottle of wine, your pick, that there is no bill with a PO passed this year.
For no other reason other than I just heard this song on a web stream.
7 Spanish Angels
I love this song, hope some of ya do too . . . . Kelly????????????
TotallY!
hey guys, there’s poodles up-top
Nice to hear.
Heh, hoss that’s a bet I want to win OR lose. *G*
If I could, I’d brang my dobro and mandolin to yer place, drink ya under the table, sing our asses off, and leave ya wontin for more music . . . and you and Belch might get a taste of MY reductions and such.
*G*
*hearts*
What don’t you believe?
Sadly, tis not I.
That’s the biggest problem I see. Even if the Republicans get back in power, the mandates will never go away. They’ll gut subsidies, but they’ll keep the mandates because their benefactors love them and they can make the corporations happy without running up a deficit if need be since it’s an individual obligation. We’ll be screwed. Not that anyone in Washington cares since they’ll have their platinum healthcare for life.
Obama’s personality problem is that he trusts credentials more than what his senses should be telling him. He also is still deluded that the current business model and the people running all our institutions are inherently good.
I’m getting ready to vote Ron Paul in 2012. The Dems aren’t going to primary Obama, let’s face facts. I don’t agree with Ron Paul on a whole lot, but at least he’s not a corporatist and he sincerely wants us out of the endless wars and knows how to tell lobbyists and bankers to go to hell. Plus, I can’t think of anyone being elected, or even getting close, that would scare the hell out of the elites more. I’m too young to give up and I’ve got kids who are going to be stuck here for a long time, so I have to believe there’s some way to make things better than they are looking right now.
I’m so glad I voted for Cynthia McKinney.
All during the primaires, the elections, and during Obama’s catastrophic first year, I’ve been waiting for my fellow progressives to see the obvious: Barack Obama is a neocon. Progressives are smart, but their cognitive dissonance is running strong on this matter.
Senator Obama voted for the Cheney energy bill, which no real Democrat would do. His entire Presidential platform was lifted from Hillary Clinton. He got more corporate cahs than any of the other candidates. These were obvios clues that the man doesn’t have a progressive bone in his body.
I can only assume that the left were so traumatized by Bush II, they saw what they wanted to see in Obama.
Still no sign of Ted Kennedy’s Seat.
Are you trying to say Obama, Pelosi and the Dems are progressives?? Bwahahahahahahaha.
“he sincerely wants us out of the endless wars and knows how to tell lobbyists and bankers to go to hell.”
Sadly, I’ll never fall for that again no matter who is saying it.
I don’t believe that Obama is deluded in determining the effects of his actions, he is not stupid.
I think that he shows deference to R ideas (bipartisanship) because he in large part shares them. Principal among them is the faith in the current bastard free market system and the willingness to favor large private firms with public funds.
He feels also that showing outward tolerance to Rs will make his political life easier even if he also knows that he will not be spared their attacks. This outward tolerance, contrived or not, he thinks might also win him some points with the electorate.
The upshot of it all from his vantage point does make some sense although the results for the country is that they are left more impoverished and with policy proposals that do nothing to address the needs of the country.
Obama does not care about “bipartisanship.” Being “bipartisan” is just an excuse for Dems to pursue a corporate agenda.
Why didn’t the Dems or the President (at the Summit) counter the GOP’s argument about the polls showing that the majority of Americans don’t want the Dem’s version of Health Care Reform, by stating, “Based on that rationale, why aren’t you for the ‘Public Option’ that the majority of Americans do want?”