It’s important to remember who this motherfucker killed

Vernon Hunter

Thanks for that. Pushing unbalanced hate filled supporters over the line is vicious extremism, a.k.a. terrorist tactic.

it’s important to remember this mother fucker is a fucking TERRORIST and king is a TERRORIST for condoning in ANY FORM a terrorist attack

“There was just too much going on about what the guy did and what he believed in, and enough’s enough. They don’t need to talk about him. Talk about my dad. You know, some people are trying to make this guy out to be a hero, a patriot. My dad served two terms in Vietnam. This guy never served at all. My dad wasn’t responsible for his tax problems.”

Lost in the madness of the act itself– and the fascination with the culprit– is the real tragedy. The human tragedy that seems is being ignored. Amidst the Stack frenzy– the plaudits from fringe elements hailing him as a hero, and the profane chilling attempt at humor by Jed Babbin at the CPAC conference– why is no attention being paid to the man who was killed? Why is the focus not on a man who leaves behind a family who loved and honored him? Could it be because Mr. Hunter did not have blond hair and blue eyes, as writers have suggested here and here? That I doubt, but I only have questions to ask at this point.

http://likethedew.com/2010/02/23/remembering-vernon-hunter/

Nice Catch Raven the Media should focus on the victims more. The Media and the Right are a bunch of sick bastards Steve King seems to forget this jerk killed a person.

Great piece. Thanks for finding and sharing.

Survives 2 tours and gets killed by a fuckin’ asshole.

you know what?

the fact that king doesn’t like the irs and thinks “it’s an agency we don’t need” almost certainly indicates he is cheating on his taxes

I’d suggest an audit to find out

I want Nancy to Censor or Expel Steve King. This jerk is using a man’s death to ask Americans to join his fight against the IRS.
Profiting off a man’s death is Ghoulish. Does Nancy have the Stones to lead Steve is encouraging murder does the House have any standards or morals?

I’m not positive but I think the IRS audits when they see a problem with one’s tax returns or failure to file them. Why were the IRS at King’s business? King is an advocate for a national sales tax, another tax avoidance scheme for the rich, much like Steve Forbe’s flat tax.

Steve King, suck ass motherfucker.

OT – Buchanan and Doucheborough concern trolling against reconciliation…

“he did the ultimate flipping of the bird to the man,”

Sounds a lot like “off the pigs”. The fringe wraps around in opposite directions and touches it’s self.

Imagine that.

Steve a National Sales tax is a gift to the rich you are using a man’s death to try and screw the middle class you get bonus evil points.
And Double Bonus stupid points for thinking a National sales tax would help the economy.

Giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Greenwald’s up on democracynow.

King really is a piece of work. So self important. He had to shut his business down the day he visited with the IRS? Is it a one man shop or did he not train or trust the other employee(s) to keep business going?

You know, I run a one woman household and I have to lock the front door when I go the the market, too. I don’t trust the dogs to keep this place going.

Morning, All you Guys and Dolls.

Saw your diary downstairs I misunderstood your comment I thought you were suggesting the economy would turn around in 2 months.
After reading it I realized if we had jobs the economy would turn around in 2 months.

He doesn’t trust his workers maybe he hires immigrants?

Mornin’, gorgeous. You’re up and on da machine early this mornin’.

thanks.

Maybe the news should be barred from making murders into hero’s Maybe they need to spend equal time talking about the people they kill.

Worked at the gym last night which usually encourages a good nights sleep. Which it did, so I’m up early with the kiddo.
Hiya, big dude.

What a guy. Talk about over compensating. I don’t want to think about it. Willies.

yup, national sales tax is regressive whence the middle and lower class pay an even far higher pecentage of wage then they do now

these guys have SUCH a scam going, claiming their tax percentage is higher then ours when it is about half when all taxes are considered

IIRC we saw more about Scott Roeder than we did about Dr Tiller.

In 1975 he founded King Construction Company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King

Not that many immigrants in Iowa then but unless he was running a one man handyman gig I’m not seeing why he had to shut down.

Maybe they need to spend equal time talking about the people they kill.

if the roles in this attack had been reversed, they would have.

fact.

yeah, but he was fightin’ off evil baby killers.

The GOP worships murders and they wonder why they suck at the polls? Is this the only reason why Obama with 10% unemployment for months is beating the GOP in the polls or are there other factors?
Of course with screw the poor and middle class ideas like a National Sales tax that can’t be helping the GOP either.
Why else might the GOP’s numbers suck?

Thanks, hon. You must have read my mind.
Yeah, that doesn’t make sense that he had to shut down. Course, picking up hammers is hard work.

How’s my favorite tennis shoes wearing attorney today?

suited up and ready to go.

black Puma’s to match the suit.

later, y’all.

We need to remember this when ever we talk about brining back the Fairness Doctrine no more turing murders into celebrities they want the attention. Fine lets not give them what they want.

You got that right.

hey jayt, what’s your specialty, would like to put you in my rolo dex if I ever need your expertise

On March 7, 2008, during his press engagements to announce his reelection campaign, King made remarks about Senator and Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama and his middle name, saying:
“I don’t want to disparage anyone because of their race, their ethnicity, their name – whatever their religion their father might have been,” I’ll just say this: When you think about the optics of a Barack Obama potentially getting elected President of the United States — I mean, what does this look like to the rest of the world? What does it look like to the world of Islam? I will tell you that, if he is elected president, then the radical Islamists, the al-Qaida, the radical Islamists and their supporters, will be dancing in the streets in greater numbers than they did on September 11 because they will declare victory in this War on Terror. Additionally, his middle name (Hussein) does matter. It matters because they read a meaning into that in the rest of the world. That has a special meaning to them. They will be dancing in the streets because of his middle name. They will be dancing in the streets because of who his father was and because of his posture that says: Pull out of the Middle East and pull out of this conflict. There are implications that have to do with who he is and the position that he’s taken. If he were strong on national defense and said ‘I’m going to go over there and we’re going to fight and we’re going to win, we’ll come home with a victory,’ that’s different. But that’s not what he said. They will be dancing in the streets if he’s elected president. That has a chilling aspect on how difficult it will be to ever win this Global War on Terror.” [37]
Then on March 10, King defended his comments to The Associated Press, saying “(Obama will) certainly be viewed as a savior for them…. That’s why you will see them supporting him, encouraging him.”[38]
Obama said he did not take the comments too seriously, describing King as an individual who thrives on making controversial statemements to get media coverage. He said, “I would hope Senator McCain would want to distance himself from that kind of inflammatory and offensive remarks.” The McCain campaign disavowed King’s comments, saying “John McCain rejects the type of politics that degrades our civics…and obviously that extends to Congressman King’s statement.”[38]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King

If Steve was not wearing a suit and said this stuff on the street I would assume that he is one of the crazy homeless and I would assume he would get picked up by the Cops for doing something violent.

Funny the streets are better patrolled for crazy than congress.

Maybe an FDL job wheel need an attorney in Jayt’s state here’s Jayt. Need an economist there’s eCHAN, I’m still not sure what a Philosopher can do that gets him paid but you get the idea.
Keep the Lake going hire Lakers.

interesting take by Rep. King.
as it happens, I hate the water revenue department, so I guess I’ll be a hero too and go blow it up.

/snark.

[mod note: Let's not lead the conversation in this direction. Please do not suggest violence on anyone -- even if in jest]

I think that’s a wonderful idea. Anyone need a demi? *g*

Your to far away but I read about you recipes good food I’d pay for that.

Good point by Steve’s logic if I hate Steve [edited by mod]?

[mod note: Let's not lead the conversation in this direction. Please do not suggest violence on anyone -- even if in jest]

Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

US KIA Irak: 4,379

US KIA Afghanistan: 1,006

Iraki and Afghan casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M

US MBS 2010: 6,820 and counting

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.

Namaste

Oh, if we lived close to each other we could sip coffee and philosophize all day. Wouldn’t that be fun?

That would be great:)

“Democrats” have extended the Patriot Act.

I think Rachel fully redeemed herself last night… I was, as many were, a bit put off by her recent seemingly waffling stance on HCR, PO and Obama. But when she looked the camera in the eye last night and told this Whitehouse that they ignore the PUBLIC OPTION at their own grave peril — I was slack jawed, teary eyed, thoroughly impressed and inspired. She and Keith delivered a stunning 1, 2, punch to the Beltway BS crowd.

New post up…

Good News:)

Oh, to have a Parisian style cafe where we could sit and drink real coffee (with a touch of brandy) and philosophize all day, like that was our purpose in the universe.

You mean, it isn’t?
I guess in a way we do that here, virtually. But, I would adore to engage with you and Things that way in person. And, I’d bring my flute.

Well, it prolly is. It’s just gettin’ to that point is the hard part. Reminds me of Malcolm’s admonition about “sit ins”, any fool can sit.

Yeah he was a terrorist, and an idiotic one at that. His terror target didn’t match his rant.

I just wish our elected officials would get up off thier collective asses and put the nation back to work. Because if they don’t, we are increasingly likely to see repeats of this destructive insanity.

And on that note, I see 40 Republican terrorists in our Senate along with an ever changing number of Blue Dog terrorists. They’ve hijacked the national bus and are currently driving it off a cliff.

brilliant!

Maddow is disengenious in the way she tries to paint this guy as “tea party” like by calling his web post an “incoherent skreed”. There is very little incoherent about it, whether you agree with it or not. But the faster they can paint this guy a tea party wacko, the quicker they can dismiss his claims.

Most of his post was basically railing against US Facism. That doesnt make him a wacko, it just means he was actuallay paying attention.

Even Glenn Greenwald made the point that you can discuss the guys greviences seperate to the immoral form of disobedience he chose. The establishment wants no part of that discussion, so que up establishment attack dogs like Rachel Maddow to stear the conversation into a benign direction.

MSNBC is corporate news. Maddow is on MSNBC. Maddow is corporate news. Corporate news has its own agenda, and its had nothing to do with improving things for regular americans and it has no intrest in illuminating its stranglehold on the United States.

Corporate Establishment Democrats like Rachel Maddow occassionally have to show some progressive bite to maintain the illusion that they are not corporate owned. Its BS. You watch when they finally pass the insurance bailout, how quickly she falls in behind it, and uses her show to make the base case for the legislation that finally passed.

For example she will bring on Ezra Klein, and they will wax poetic about “Oh they just couldnt do any better. Its those dasterdely republicans! What could they have done Ezra?”
“Nothing really Rachel.” *rachel sighs in resignation, smiles, laughs, and then tosses another softball*

I guess when you work for the corporate establishment, youll ultimately face some constraint in what you are allowed to say. I think the wiser among us will take that into consideration and moderate our disappointment through our understanding of the politic forces at work. But, when the scales are read, Ill bet by far, the truth she has exposed will much outweigh any she has been complicit in hiding… Unless, like Bush, you believe that youre either with us or against us.

You make some good points. I read his “manifesto,” and it seemed to me that this guy had some reasonable insights to why our country is so messed up. That said, clearly he some other issues, whether mentally unstable or what, plus I completely disagree with those “taxes are illegal” schemes. So the guy had some problems and mostly he was in the wrong.

Painting him as “tea party” is incorrect, although he probably had some commonalities with libertarians. But simply to label him to push him off into a convenient corner is unfortunate and takes away from the ability to discuss rationally the “whys” of his actions.

Of course I abhor and decry what he did. If you’re that angry and wish to commit suicide, then do it in a way that you don’t involve anyone else. Yes, I think it’s a terrorist act to fly any plane into a gov’t bldg, and lauding his actions is way beyond disgusting. The two-faced hypocracy of the double-standards Republics just grows increasingly aggravating, while encouraging similar acts from WHITE people – in the guise that it’s “ok” if you’re white, but not ok if your brown-skinned.

A serious analysis of this person’s actions and his writings would be of some value, esp in terms of looking for ways to avoid other citizens committing similar acts in the future. The rightists, however, seem ever ready to be venal, mendacious cheerleaders for more (in their manly men way), and corporate Dems seem willing only to brush it under the carpet by labeling it and looking the other way.

The rightists are more disgusting, but the corporate left doesn’t provide much, either, in the way of intelligent discussion that could possibly lead to better solutions and understanding.

Meh: same old, different day. Sorry for the tragic loss of life; really too bad.

Thanks for the link.

Stack was a suicide bomber. Blackwater/XE is a mercenary army. King may be a conspirator.

I feel safer already.

Jagoffs…

She and Keith delivered a stunning 1, 2, punch to the Beltway BS crowd.

Yes they did. However, the beltway crowd usually goes on doing “business as usual.” “Let ‘em eat Twinkies…”

Not that there’s a ruling class, or anything…

I’ll volunteer to count the beans.

I absolutely disagree that she does more good than bad. She spends the majority of her time attacking the party that is OUT OF POWER. Meanwhile its the democrats, you know, the party with the overwhelming majorities, that are allowing escalations of war in Afghanistan, unfettered military activity in Pakistan, and sellouts to Wallstreet and the insurance industry.

Shows like hers deflect attention away from the most significant stories and issues of our day, to focus on while perhaps meangingful, very minor side stories like her coverage of C-Street or of Acorn.

She does far more damage than good, because when it counts most, she ignores the party in power to attack a loud but powerless minority. She uses her show to defend the corporate democratic establishment 1st and foremost, and that doesnt lead to more good than bad.

Powerless minority??? omg, now were supposed to feel sorry for the republicans??? And I disagree that she ignores the party in power… so well have to agree to disagree.

If you dont even see that the republicans are a very small minortiy, which translates to very little actual power, then yes, i guess arguing further is kinda pointless.

Bush didnt even have majorities and he was able to get most of what he wanted done. Its not the republicans stopping the democrats from producing. Its just the democrats most convenient excuse for doing the bidding of their corporate masters. They get to blame the party that actually doesnt have the numbers to stop them instead of just telling the american people they are there to serve the corporations and not us.

A perfect example of this is how Jay Rockefellar was for the Public Option throughout the entire time it had little to no hope of passing. Once the recent talk about reconciliation started, where they would only need 51 votes which the democrats have been claiming they had all along (they just said they didnt have 60), suddenly Rockefellar is against the PO. The only thing that changed was that it looked possible for the PO to pass, the corporate dems have never wanted that, so suddenly we couldnt get even 51 votes.

Its Kabuki. Its BS. And the corporate media promotes it.

We have to agree to disagree about the “powerless minority” as well. That’s just ridiculous. Powerless? I don’t think so.

I agree with some of your insights that KO & RM focus more on Republic misdeeds, etc, but both of them state right out that they are biased to the left. Yes, I do wish that both would engage more in meaningful discussions about the lack of leadership, the corporate buyout, etc in the Dems. They do that sometimes, though, which is way more than we’ll ever see the rightwing media constructively critizing the rightists or Republics. the rightwing media serves only to cheerlead the right and engage in lots of lies and b.s.

Plus I have to take big issue that RM’s discussions and exposures of the C Street “Family” gang is simply “minor.” IMO (personal perspective admittedly), I think that’s highly significant. It’s something about which I was well aware bc of my family’s involvement with that group, and I never ever saw it discussed anywhere else (other than Jeff Sharlatt’s book and an article in the Atlantic).

I think that’s a way serious group which has had far too much power and sway over our gov’t extending out into some serious imperialistic trends world-wide. Exposure of this mendacious “gang” is something that I will loudly and longly laud RM for, and may she continue to expose such groups and show us all what they’re doing.

I agree with you about the Kabuki, but with respect disagree that the Republics are “powerless.” They’re not. But yes, the Dems engage in b.s. kabuki shows and hide behind the skirts of Republic obstrutionism. They are two sides of the same coin.

So why is it that Bush could get so much passed with smaller majorities than the democrats can now? Doesnt that suggest that the problem is really with the democrats and not some great power a tiny minority has?

You do realize this is one of the largest majorities in Congress EVER for one side right?

I applaud and support your single-minded focus on corporate power. I think Maddow and KO are the best available on TV, but you’re right that they are ultimately on corporate leashes, and that, big picture, the enduring and most important message people must focus on is that we are witnessing, and should be fully engaged in, a battle for survival that is best defined as PEOPLE vs, BIG CORPORATIONS. Period.

They may be the best in the mainstream media, but they are not the best on TV.

Check out Democracynow.org , which also broadcasts on some TV services. That is real news by real journalists.

I meant mass TV. Numbers matter.

While I agree that is absolutely horribly that an innocent American patriot had to die, let’s keep this in perspective. How many people did the US government kill in Afghanistan the same day. Or in Iraq? Or Pakistan? This was just one man…. American lives are no more valuable than the lives of people in other countries. When Rachel Maddow shows just as much outrage for deaths of innocent people in other countries, then I’ll consider the possibility that might not be a hypocrite after all. Until then, she’s just another corporate mouthpiece phony, sounding off to “up” her ratings.

Bush was able to get so many of his programs enacted because Democrats took their role in governance more seriously than most Republicans, and would often set aside obstructionism (either voluntarily, due to some compromise, or involuntarily, under the threat of the “nuclear option” of doing away with the filibuster) to vote in favor of Republican sponsored legislation. Democratic cooperation was by no means limited to “No Child Left Behind”. In most instances, I really wish that the Democrats in Congress during the Bush Administration hadn’t been so accommodating and had been as obstructionist then as the Republicans are now. I don’t expect Kumbayah from either party, but taking a serious approach to the jobs that they were elected to do (rather than just political gamesmanship)would be a great start. This health care summit at Blair House would have been a great opportunity to show governance at the highest levels by both parties, as requested in Olbermann’s Special Comment last night, but most of the participants (from both parties) can’t get away from the showmanship and attempted gotchas.

I think Bush was able to run with his agenda for 3 reasons:

1) Selling out the general public is always an easy sell in DC. There are entire armys of lobbiests ready willing and able to help out.

2) He was more than willing to scrap the bipartisan line and say: f’yall, I’m the decider.

3) He milked 911 for every police state measure, predator drone attack and 3rd world invasion that he could manage.

That said, Obama came in with a stacked deck but he really hasn’t shown the leadership required to get the ball rolling.

As for Rachel Maddow… Outside of PBS, her show is one of the few worth watching. Sure, it’s corporate media and has some noticable limitations, but we know that.

I would not support Stack in his specific grievances or his specific actions, but I would just observe that, objectively, actions that break down the perception of “order” are the ones that hurt the corporate oligarchy the most.