Of course, for many local residents of Marja, the battle is decisive indeed. While US forces have only reported 12 civilian casualties, multiple sources report the total is now over 20:
Harun, who spoke to IWPR in the hospital in Lashkar Gah, the provincial capital, … said the incident began when the Taleban opened fire at the western forces from a location 100 metres away from their house. He said that his brothers were shot at and wounded as they ran from the house because they were afraid it would be shelled.
“My wounded brother Fazel Omar got married six months ago. When he was wounded, his wife came out of the house and ran towards her husband, but [they] shot at her from their tank and [killed] her,” he said.
He added angrily, “That moment was very difficult for me because I could not go out of the house; I could not take my wounded brothers to the hospital and could not bring my dead sister-in-law’s body home.”
In a second incident in Qari Sada village, a rocket reportedly fired by coalition forces hit a house. Relatives traveled to Bost Hospital in Lashkar Gah to accompany the bodies of two young women.
Most were too grief–stricken to speak to the media but Gula Jan told IWPR, “My two little sisters were martyred by the foreigners’ rocket and I will not reconcile with the infidels until I can avenge my sisters.”
There were reports of a fourth civilian fatality in Karwa Square. A driver living there is said to have been killed by fire from foreign forces when he left his home to buy food.
Ahmad, his son said, “The body of my father was left inside our home for two days because the foreigners did not let us out to bury the body in the cemetery. We were scared of being killed. They are cruel and the infidels have no sympathy for us.”
Radio Free Europe provides this account from a Maja farmer who fled before the fighting began:
“The civilians are trapped because although they had planned to leave after the fighting started in cars or anything they could find, all the roads are mined now and they cannot leave their homes,” said Rahman. “Their food supplies are running out and they face thirst and hunger. People are slaughtering and eating up their cattle. All the shops are closed even as most people stayed behind. Less than 10 percent of the residents left. We have information that civilians have also suffered deaths and injuries and they cannot bury their dead or help their wounded.”
In all the hype pre-battle, very little attention seems to have been paid to the effects on the local residents:
”We are seriously worried about the safety of civilians, especially in the Marja area,” Ajmal Samadi, the head of the independent group Afghan Rights Monitor, said.
”People who are ill cannot get to hospitals, and others cannot bring them medicines. They cannot get food, or even go outside to look after their farms.”
He said that food prices were rising and people with medical needs – from war wounds to pregnancy – were largely unable to get treatment…
Norine MacDonald, the president of the International Council for Security and Development, which has an office in the provincial capital Lashkar Gah, said planners had paid little regard to civilian well-being.
”The forward planning we heard so much about did not include ensuring that the local population would be able to leave and live elsewhere in decent conditions, with access to food and medical care,” she said.
More than 2800 families – averaging about five members each – had been displaced before and during the fighting, said Abdul Rahman Hutaki, the head of the Human Rights and Environment Organisation, an independent Afghan group.
Back in Marja, those left behind cannot even get clear information on conditions around them:
One resident of Marja district, Zaher Jan, said on the phone, “They governor announces on the radio that bombardments will not take place, but [they are] going on as we speak. If these bombardments are not stopped, there will be many civilian casualties.”
Civilian casualties are not just an issue in the Marja offensive. A US airstrike this week also killed 7 Afghan policemen during a separate operation in Kunduz. We’ve announced we’re investigating but Afghan officials are reminding US forces that the Rules of Engagement call for coordination with Afghan forces.
Meanwhile in post-”surge” Iraq, there’s more trouble brewing. Steve Hynd over at Newshoggers shares my opinion that Gen Odierno, who has no desire to leave Iraq, is once again stirring the pot. With Chalabi overseeing the election and Odierno continuing to insert himself into the process, hopes for a fair election and end to US occupation there seem far away indeed.



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Six days ago you posted about the 12 civilian deaths in the operation. Now you say that the total may have increased. Is this certain?
Good evening, Siun.
Why does this sound infuriatingly familiar?
Register your protest publicly. On March 20, OFF THE COMPUTER AND INTO THE STREETS!
http://www.march20.org
I had the same reaction … then again the same fools are in charge.
Strong Resistance even with those numbers these guys are organized, trained and have local intelligence they have the support of the the locals.
Billions in aid , Million dollar predator drone fleet, satellites intercepting cell phone calls tanks and what all and 400 guys are giving us strong resistance after 8 years of trying to win hearts and minds?
The army needs to rethink its budget and war plans.
Please, take it to The Seminal –
again and again.
The NeoCons still have jobs?
Wholeheartedly concur!
Evening Siun-Tzu. *smiling*
Well at least our brilliant neocon generals all do – the Petraeus claque is still in charge.
The Iranian agent Chalabi? Got a link. Interesting to see that the Iranian Talleyrand pops up again.
Thanks for these most intelligent updates, Siun. If I tried to say anything more, especially about McChrystal, my anger would drive my words too far.
Here we go: http://tinyurl.com/yasskn7
Thank you Siun as usual. And other posters/diarists on this subject. This is pure insane evil. Insanity.
Turning to the PR flacks in the military seldom results in this kind of language. /s
Imagine how many blast-proof concrete walls they will need to…
But this isn’t Baghdad.
We are using mines to keep the Taliban and the Civilians from leaving way to win hearts and minds jerks!
Hmm, I think tinyurl failed to make a good short link.
Here’s one though:
http://www.themajlis.org/politics/iraqi-elections-2010/
I can’t see your link.
Ahmed Chalabi Strikes Again
Is this it?
What I keep realizing as I watch the Marja reports is how completely the media is dependent on McChrystal and Co talking points. If you instead read Reliefweb and some local sources, you start uncovering a lot more.
We hear nothing about the civilian casualties – in addition to the ones above, I saw a reference to another 12 wounded for example but could not find a confirming source.
We hear nothing about the conditions of the residents – except vague happy talk about “we’ll open the markets” which of course is meaningless if people are shot when they leave their homes
and on and on.
Let’s try this:
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/02/ahmed-chalabi-iran-iraq-parliament-elections?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+(MotherJones.com+|+MoJoBlog)
Obama likes Lincoln, Lincoln fired Generals after 8 years we should leave.
If anyone sees the one known as Petrocelli, please ask him to visit me at EW about the performance of the Canadian Hockey squad!
I’m betting Odierno has a nice oil company job waiting for him when he retires that and Blackwater or Hal.
If you ask me, Chalabi is a convenient tool so that the “Hey! We gotta Do sump’n (attack) Iran! Aaaiiiee!!!” crowd has a narrative.
Because that’s the purpose Chalabi served wrt Iraq, no other.
Same script, same actors, different theater.
Chalabi has more lives than a cat. He is a real trouble maker and is constantly stirring the pot.
I wonder – sometimes I think he wants to be Consul of Iraq or something …all that fancy Green Zone and doesn’t he live in a former palace of Saddam’s? I wonder if he personally ever wants to leave.
who did you say was planting mines? NATO or the insurgents?
The big lesson the Neocons learned from Viet Nam control the press don’t let the National Morale flag give *cough* Men of Will the time they need to win.
Apparently 8 years is not long enough next war we need men with brains, and men who can get our troops bullet proof vests, armored Humvees, and showers that don’t electrocute our troops.
The best way to do that draft our leaders kids and grandkids into the front lines everytime we have a war no matter how small.
Just think how many wars we would avoid in the future.
Cripes he must have a woman there! He’s in love we will never leave men in love do incredibly stupid things to stay with women.
Good question I just assumed we were if the Taliban did it then they trapped themselves but wouldn’t they have a map of where they put the mines?
Thanks for the link. So the Islamic Republic of Iran and the US General in charge in Iraq have a common interest. One of them is a fool.
Anything is possible and both sides would have reason to lie about not putting up the mines.
they wouldn’t be sharing that map, Things, and they wouldn’t be caring about whether the civilians were trapped or not.
they want people being miserable when they leave and they want other reading writing how all the misery is the fault of the people who made them leave.
You may safely assume that all parties are mining the roads. Each side has a tactical and strategic reason for doing so.
ask if anyone has heard about NATO using mines in this area?
USA USA USA Hockey team beat Canada!! What a game..
Sorry for the O/T BUT USA USA!
There are reports of the Taliban planting large numbers of mines – one farmer mentioned that they placed 35 near his property. They did this as they moved out of Marja while the US DOD PR team was hyping the coming attack.
There are other reports that Taliban are now moving back into areas they formerly left – as they see opportunities to hit the US/Afghan forces. And one report said numerous “foreign fighters” were being drawn to Marja as well.
While a Taliban spokesman told Pahjwok that they would take care of any needs the local residents have during the fighting, I don’t believe that any more than I believe the McChrystal spin – except that we can assume some Taliban are actually just local residents who want us out …
Damn … I was just up in Vancouver and they will be so depressed by this.
I know bitter sweet for me as there are several Sharks on the Canadian team… sigh.. but USA USA! I am glad to see the American hockey players showing just how far they have come since first breaking into the NHL… They played a great game… lots of thrills watching it!!
New Tom Englehardt piece just up and worth a read:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175209/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_the_afghan_mask_slips/
Lisa Derrick is upstairs…
“Congratulations” – Ausgang’s Pop Surrealism Surfs to Mainstream on MGMT’s Sophomore Album
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Oh shit we are in Trouble!
Englehardt flags this from the LATimes
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/17/opinion/la-oe-bacevich17-2010feb17
Aloha, Siun…! Am I too late to the party…? ;-)
30 years ago (short by one day) was the greatest game in sports history
Do you believe in Miracles!?!
PS Fingers crossed that the Sharks keep it together … enough of these playoff collapses
you hear anything about NATO planting mines around Marja?
Hey, too bad the “insurgents” don’t have the mighty Soviets or Red Chinese to send them arms, so we could make this a proxy war against godless communism. God, those were the good old days. Now it’s just a bunch of improvised explosive devices, which we’ll call “mines” in the service of, I suppose, of global jihad. And they dare to use them against invaders and an Afghan government elected via massive fraud and partly staffed by mass murderers (like Dostum).
Oh brave new world that has such people as this!
The U.S. doesn’t use landmines in Afghanistan (that we know of, though it still stockpiles them), but has used cluster bombs. Meanwhile, Nobel Peace laureate Barack Obama has followed in the footsteps of his predecessor (who shall remain unnamed) and refused to sign the international antipersonnel landmine ban.
Thanks for the nugget of information that the US isn’t planting mines. Things was under the impression that they were.
Your link to the Guardian confirms that the US hasn’t planted any mines in almost twenty years.
Jeff – thanks for that info. Sadly Obama does not even stick to his earlier positions: http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/06/landmines-on-the-road-to-the-white-house/
As always, you are oh so right.
which earlier positions isn’t he sticking to by not authorizing use of mines?
At least I don’t mind telling the complete truth. You appear to have left out of your comment, so pleased you were at my saying the U.S. didn’t use landmines, the part of the Guardian article that noted the use of cluster bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan “leave behind explosive ‘duds’ that act as de facto mines.”
So, yeah, officially we don’t use landmines built as landmines, maybe because DoD doesn’t need them, as the cluster bomb duds do the trick just as well.
As for your comment to Siun at 49, you could have clicked on her link. Or you could have clicked on mine to the Guardian article:
Or you could have done a little googling, as this from armscontrol.org:
I’m sure you’ll thank me for clarifying your question.
I enjoy the flattery. But if only you were right about that. Unfortunately, like all of us, I have my errors. I try to learn from them, that’s all.
Thanks for your superlative coverage on this.
Don’t hold your breath.
I just hadn’t considered that not using landmines entailed not using cluster bombs.
I thought of them as different things.
Thanks for calling to my attention that they are the same.
*heh* I was just redirected here from Steve Hynd’s excellent article today…!
Anyways… …they are the same.
Yes and No…! By UN standards they are, however, NATO/US standards say No…
By sleight of hand, basically… US/NATO doctrine considers any aerial delivery of materiel as outside the ‘landmine’ moniker…
Basically, ‘Landmines’ are only deemed landmines when they’re hand-emplaced… As a former 12B, I can tell you that the bulk of our landmines, the 10M AP and 7.5M AT, have been languishing in our depots for 20 some years… We never shipped them with the Engineers for Iraq, nor, Afghanistan… Our stockpiles were meant for large Force-on-Force Ops of the Korean peninsula and Europe… That said we do have numerous Artillery and Air delivered packages that produce the needless death long after we’ve departed…!
Thanks Tuttle.
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/03/12/us-cluster-bomb-exports-banned
Might mean something.