Stand back, ladies and gentlemen, it appears that the fight for… um, whatever… is starting. Appearing at a photo op town-hall meeting with Sen. Harry Reid in Nevada today, President Obama “made a fervent pitch” for passing a healthcare reform bill — and for the so-called summit with Republican and Democratic members of Congress next week.
As Lindsay Beyerstein concisely pointed out out two weeks ago, a key reason for announcing the summit was to provide “a delaying tactic… while Congressional Democrats wheel and deal furiously behind the scenes,” giving Obama the appearance of taking the political initiative while Pelosi, Reid, et al. were busy trying to push the sausage of healthcare reform through the legislative meat grinder.
But it’s also an intentional PR trap in the wake of Obama’s successful recent Q&A with GOP House members. A New York Times article this morning sums up the strategy behind bringing a specific proposal before the summit:
“It will be a reconciliation bill,” one Democratic aide said. “If Republicans don’t come with any substantial offers, this is what we would do.”
And, of course, we all know how likely it is that the Republicans will screw things up by actually offering a substantial proposal. They can’t help themselves, and Obama knows it:
The Republicans say they’ve got a better way of doing it. So I want them to put it on the table — (applause) — because as I told them … I’m not an unreasonable guy. (Laughter.) If you show me that you can do the things we just talked about — protect people from insurance problems, make sure that the costs are controlled, and people who don’t have health insurance are covered — and you can do it cheaper than me, then why wouldn’t I do that? I’ll just grab your idea and say, great, and take all the credit. I’d be happy to do it. (Applause.)
So show me what you got. But don’t let the American people go another year, another 10 years, another 20 years without health insurance reform in this country. (Applause.)
Whatever political flaws he’s shown in the past year — and we’re all too painfully familiar with them — Obama is good at making himself seem like the reasonable alternative to Republicans’ ideological rigidity. So, it’s not a bad idea to set up a public reminder just before Congress takes action.
I mean, uhh… they are going to take action, right? Right?
Personally, I think so. The actual proposal may be rather timid at first glance, but even if that is unsatisfactory, there’s a rare opening for progressive public opinion to be heard to make it better. In a bit of kabuki we’ve seen before, the White House is saying they’ll back a public option if Harry Reid thinks a majority of the Senate will support one, and Reid is suggesting that he’ll push for one if the Obama administration will back him up.
So, what’s needed now is a push from the rabble (as in, us) to call both bluffs at the same time. If Harry Reid can read his poll numbers, he knows how much (or, to be more accurate, how little) rhetorical support for a vaporware public option does for his prospects of survival. And a few months ago, Tom Harkin said there were 52 solid Democratic votes in the Senate for a public option. Perhaps we should ask him now for those 52 names, and figure out how to push those that are wavering?
The most effective path in terms of both politics and policy has been obvious for months now. All they need is the courage to do it. If Obama and the Democratic leaders in Congress play this right (for once), next week’s public dialogue might be a tool to provide that courage.



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Just happy to see you, Swopa.
It is just so rewarding to be in the majority.
I don’t know. Watching KO earlier and it came up that a least a couple of procedeural hurdles will require 60 votes.
I saw KO too and that segment made me think it’s going to be raining on parade day and left me wondering if all this public option noise right now is just for show.
I’ve kicked at this football before.
I’ll believe the PO will happen when the PO actually happens.
For show or for fund raising.
…for show for November 2010 to save their asses?
Seems to me that if they are not actually going to try for the public option they would stop bringing it up. It just puts it back in the minds of people. Strange actions.
Lawrence O’Donnell was telling KO today that there’s still 2 60 vote hurdles to clear with recon…! I’m positive that’s not the case, but, he did work in the Senate…!
There is always information coming in. Catching up on the last couple of days posts there was this:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/02/19/reconciliation-can-be-used-to-pass-anything-here%E2%80%99s-how/
It comes down to Biden and the leadership(sic) being will to withstand the pearl clutching and hissy fits of the right and basically go nuclear on them.
Saw and felt that, too.
If you are gonna bring it up, it can’t possibly be because you are engaged in more Kabuki. Cause the Dems are so good at this politics stuff…
Anything that requires action by the feckless Senate Dems (especially the leaders) is doomed to failure. As my grandpa used to say, they aren’t smart enough to pour piss out of a boot.
The public wants real, meaniningful action. All this “looking better than” doesn’t mean a damn thing to them. The odds of a good healthcare bill coming out of this Congress are zero. If they could have done this before, they would have done it. The Democrats are still going to get massacred in November and they still deserve to be.
With the instructions printed on the heel.
Sure they are, just while wearing it.
rimshot
At the moment the legislation I would most like to see passed would require a total news blackout of anything concerning Tiger Woods. If they really want to make me happy they should include John Edwards.
Hey, a pretty, cuckolded wife is a huge draw.
Maybe we can get her on the Public Option bandwagon.
Famous rich guy cheats on spouse should be news to no one.
So excellent of TPaw to jump into that soup pot.
BTW, Timmy, after Elin clobbered the truck with a fairway wood, the truck crashed…
I’m usually a very nice diplomatic person but I want nuclear! Especially on HCR. It would certainly let everyone (especially the voters) know the pols meant what they campaigned for,they can govern and they aren’t willing to settle for some some gruel cooked up just to say something’s in the dish.
If this last push is just kabuki (and it very well may be; everything else since Ted Kennedy got sick has been) then I think the Democratic base will punish our electeds worse than in 1994, by staying home or, as in the case of Martha Coakley, actively voting for the GOP opponent.
They simply must not, must not, be raising hopes once again only to dash them on the rocks that are the ConservaDems.
Barring a massive asteroid collision with the Earth the big news story next week will probably be public outrage over Elton saying in Sunday’s Parade magazine that Jesus was gay.
Kinda hoping for the asteroid, personally.
I think it’s getting just about hopeless. The Dems are like a dog that cringes every time the gun fires.
The Dem position on most issues is semi-fetal.
Your lips to the DNC’s ears, Teddy.
So Obama makes mostly nice with The Goopers, throws minor but unmistakable elbows at Bayh and Lincoln when the so-called Democrats have a program…
I swear, he is so close to being Ronald Reagan.
But that would mean the Da Vinci Code wasn’t true! What will the History Channel do now–smear the Kennedys?
It’s particularly embarrassing when they’re the ones holding the gun.
I think it is more like beat me, hurt me, make me write bad checks.
Perhaps Divine Orgasms are so powerful they can impregnate unsuspecting bystanders.
All the Dems are selling is lesser evilism.
good one, – the mental picture of that alone inspires cringing.
Republican survival literally depends (and has for quite some time) on ineffectual Democratic leadership.
How is it that that necessary component is also so predictable?
Medicare for all would have been like an order of boef Wellington, instead, we’ll be served sausage at Obama’s Waterloo.
Why settle for the lesser evil? Vote Cthulhu.
Hey, we already have mass insanity on the right. Why not go for the whole nine yards?
Matt Taibbi’s vulture squid?
Huh? I’m sorry, I lack the reference.
“Swiftly and with Style” award to lurking mod. :-)
Bowing out, splendid evening to all.
It’s not being old at heart. Here at this blog in particular, we have busted our asses for years to win a majority, just to see our feckless leadership throw it all away.
Howdy ‘pups.
In the immortal words of my brother, “A Democrat will never hurt you accidentally as badly as a Republican will intentionally.”
Latest case in point: If you like your credit card company, you’ll love Republican health care
destructionreformI’ve heard that there are some 60 votes needed also. But I don’t remember the specifics. Here is a post I did on Reconciliation back in September 2009 I don’t see where I mention the 60 votes except once, which is to over-ride the Parliamentarian. Guess I’ll go look around for specifics.
Evening, all!
Don’t run off, ratfood.
Wasn’t running so much as dragging. How you?
Yeah, a bit late here, but happy to see YOU and your POST!!!
Wow, nice posits!!!
Can we hope, really?
Aside from all the hopey/changy crap we’ve lost, I DO think this is the time to leverage pressure like progs have been doing all along.
There’s the poll’s, there’s the upcoming ’10 election, and there’s ’12 looming too.
NOW is the time to become more active than any prog has ever been.
Be that activism doing calls, letters, emails . . . or personal appearances or mass demonstrations in the streets, work stoppages, and general strikes and boycotts of products.
NOW is the time!!!
DO NOT let those who would whine and cry that’s we’ve all been fooled too long and should give up now.
They are either pro status quo, paid to whine, or lack the intestinal fortitude to go further.
Now is the time Pups. It’s not over and it will NEVER be over, but now is the time to put pressure on the bought electeds (Obama included) and threaten them with loss of office and loss of incomes.
Now. Is. The Time.
GREAT Post Swopa!! Huzzah!!!!
and they wonder why I won’t throw any more money their way….
Another aspect that this mess has created… I was at the store yesterday and saw a young cashier who worked really, really hard on the last election (her first). I asked her how she felt now a year in and she said she was ‘so disapointed because everyone has turned out to be a liar and she isn’t going to waste her time on it again’.
So,not only are we old timers disillusioned, all the energy of so many young voters who really were fired up to make the country a better place has been completely squandered. And this generation, unlike ours, they don’t seem to subscribe to old ‘if at first you don’t succeed, try, try again’ adage. They have the attitude ‘if at first you don’t succeed, screw it, I’ll move on to something else.’
Very sad.
I just left ya a message at the Beach House…! ;-)
One of the best descriptions of Reconciliation I have read
We can no longer count of KO or Rachel . . . dismiss that and move on with the info and stats at hand.
Do NOT count on any cable news networks or MSM for any kind of reality.
I’m not about hating KO or Rachel, but they work for the corporatists, and there’s just GOT to be pressure on them both to adhere to corporate needs, and that’s who they get PAID by.
They have proven they can’t go full bore on the prog policy, only on the rhetorice.
When it comes down to policy, they have to cave in, for the paychecks.
Sad, yes. But we can STILL enjoy them for what they DO do . . . *G*
Just don’t expect them to really support prog issues and positions.
Much less legislation.
me three
Simply put.
I want to hope.
I’m waiting.
Nicely done YSD.
Thanks.
*G*
Still having connexion problems.
Mrs. BC is at a job interview in AL today. I have mixed feeling about that. Living east of the Big Muddy has never been on my Big List of Things to Do.
How you are, heh?
Re-election political pressure, from an awakened general public, can be an awesome wakeup call.
The polling issues being bandied about in the MSM, are proof the fucking elected offals are feeling the progressive pressure and fear losing our votes and support.
This is NOT the time to let up on the pressure . . .
Anyone that says so, is working for the system.
Now is the time to lean in harder, and harder, on all our reps and senators and locals.
Hard.
The fucks are squirming, from the WH to the Congress, to the states.
Squirming. And I love it.
Mighty crowded on the east side of the big Muddy…! ;-)
There’s always Hilo town…! ;-)
That may be a little cynical, but you may be right. Both Maddow and Olbermann strike me as the I-had-a-job-when-I-wasn’t-looking-for-this-one types.
Larue, I think that may be a little cynical, but you may be right. Both Maddow and Olbermann strike me as the I-had-a-job-when-I-wasn’t-looking-for-this-one types.
Larry OD is an offal, and ignorant to what’s real.
Don’t believe him, don’t quote him, don’t give him ANY leverage whatsoever.
Just humiliate him with the facts, he’s really inconsequential, and he’s not the issue.
Ruin him with details, and move on quickly, they are coming for us and we need every snark and fact to shame these fucks we can put forth.
Do NOT get bogged down with their shit, call them out and move on. Quickly.
S’okay here. More freaking snow on the way, though. I am SO tired of snow.
Won’t wish her luck until you decide how you feel. Like all places, good and bad points. Would be a change from the wide open spaces and dry air of the Southwest, though.
KO had Larry O’Donnell on – you know the guy who was on Senate point when HillaryCare™ died. The statement was his.
Thanks for the bucking up. It is way past time for us to make the leadership internlize the idea that you got to dance with them that brung ya.
At first I thought AL meant Albuquerque…then I read your comment. Best wishes for you to stay west.
Hmmmm. Birmingham or Hilo??? That’s not a difficult choice at all. Volcano or Birmingham jail? The deep south or a reasonably tolerant place I grew up in…
Jeebus, in Birmingham I’d never vote for another winning candidate in my life.
He’s baaack…! ;-)
Hugh, I usually agree with a lot of what ya posit.
I guess I disagree with ya here.
I smell a window of opportunity based on electoral needs, and I think the dem electeds are being FORCED to deal with that need as the progs and even the middle ground of America forces them electeds to pay attention to the masses.
Sure I could be hopey/changy mad, but hey, what’s to lose?
yeah…
Albeaturkey I could live with. Well, maybe not, given that she’d be working at that dysfunctional institution of quasi-higher-education on Central.
*heh* You’re in luck, they just closed Kulani due to the economy…! *g*
Time to put by li’l birdie to bed. I was reading today that conures are fond of sleeping on their backs with their feet in the air, which is quite alarming to new owners. Fortunately Bob hasn’t done that, yet.
Splendid evening to all.
Tiger Woods should resign from the PGA, never show his self in public again and spare us and the game of professional golf from his transgressions.
The PGA can’t ban him considering the shit John Daley’s done, but they COULD lean on him somehow without legal recriminations on the part of Mr. Woods, to convince him it’s best to retire, and the PGA might buy him out for that deal.
But for Tiger to return? I’d not watch, and if I did, I’d be derisive, and write the PGA in a derisive manner.
That’s my opinion, and I’m stickin to it.
Tiger Killed Golf, Tiger Killed The PGA.
End of story.
And lord, he WAS the best ever, ever . . . he coulda been Ali.
But he failed.
End of story.
I read an article dog’s years ago that claimed that open water in Arctic Ocean was strongly associated with the onset of glaciation in the Northern Hemisphere.
I guess some a**h*** decided to test that theory.
Well, thanks for the thanks, and we agree!!
*G*
Maybe he should do a stint in minor league baseball like Michael Jordan. Seems like he’s always swinging something or other…
Watching golf on the course isn’t too bad. Watching golf on television is like watching paint dry.
I guess I see it a little differently. Woods owes me nothing. Elin’s a different matter, but that’s her problem, not mine. He’s still one of the best golfers ever to wear kiltie shoes.
As somebody said earlier, rich guy screws around on his wife really ought to be Dog Bites Man type news.
An old lady in my aunt’s apartment building has a knitted snowman hanging next to her door holding a sign that reads “Let It Snow!” I told my aunt to ask her to take it down until next year or Spring might never arrive.
Give Bob some feed for me…! Aloha, RF…!
I like drive-to snow. Drive to it, and leave it there.
Why?
I guess I don’t think that highly anymore of KO, or Rachel for the reasons I mentioned.
I love them, but in the end run, they have to kowtow, by HAVING these guests on and not busting their balls.
And I’d say, there’s enough evidence and shows on record to support my criticism.
*G*
Am I missing something you might have said, and am completely missing it?
I SO respect your points and posits and knowledge . . . . hope you know that . . .
Sadly, I have to agree about KO and Rachel. Too many commercials from health insurance, pharma, and financial companies on the various NBC nets.
My wife saw a pickup with a load of snow pass by headed to Coconut Island…! I told her that doesn’t bode well for me next week when I’m up there three nights…! ;-)
Larry OD is a horses ass . . . harumph!
*G*
How’s the isle?
Bob, talk to Rat, please, tell him to have SOME modicum of hope.
N then, bite his finger.
*G*
My best to you AND Bob . . . fingers notwithstanding . . *G*
My point was not in defense of KO, but rather that the assertion that there will be 60-vote hurdles to get to a reconciliation vote – was O’Donnell’s.
That said, I disagree with some of the criticism of their shows.
Ok, this is gonna sound harsh, I don’t mean it that way but . .
You and Bob need to get out and meet and engage people and birds.
The species are not ALL that bad . . . .
And frankly, from what I know of you in here at FDL, the planet NEEDS you interacting with others.
Desperately.
Bless you and Bob, and yeah, I’m out of line again . . . . but with love in my heart, hoss . . .
I was a 7th grader at HIS when the snow came down below the Saddle Road in 196something. We got up that morning and begged our parents to take us up to the snow… nothing doing. They grew up in the midwest, northern New Mexico and the Pacific Northwest. Snow was no big deal at all, we had to go to school.
There were three or four of us in all my classes that day.
What, you passing yerself off as Punaise?
;-)
Thanks for your reply.
I am sort of thinking that KO and Rachel are a birds feather apart from Ezra Klein and what happened to HIM when he first went WAPO, and now, Newsweee.
Bought and sold, sadly.
May your birdie never sleep on its back!!!
*G*
Despite your need for sleep, yer snark runs strong and deep, hoss . . .
Feed the boid.
*G*
Thanks, I guess I’m still a wanna be fan looking for the good ole dazw . . .
My bad . . ;-)
And the advertising shows the pace, the place and the service to the lords.
The advertising is always the key to the censorship and the level of progressivism that’s allowed on the channel, or network.
Yer all over it, n nice to meet cha . . . .
Guess I’m confused . .
I concur there’s NO reality of 60 Vote Issues, that is not even, well, real.
Not for anything.
It’s a self made congressional 1% PTB and MSM bullshit story made up.
Maybe so. But if KO were pwned by Viacom, wouldn’t he be ignoring Faux News (Real Noise) all the time now?
I’m off to bed. We’re still mortally screwed when The Daily Show is an important news outlet and Jon Stewart is a tough interviewer.
They will not try for reconciliation, this is just a stunt, they’re using the public option as leverage to get the real plan they have on the backburner passed. Not very hopeful, Obama is just too inept.
As of now, the ‘filibuster’ (or what masquerades as the filibuster these days), whether we like it or not, is part of the game. Yes, it sucks. Until we get a new Congress, the 60-vote threshold is not going anywhere. And perhaps not even then.
Who wants to give odds on Democrats growing spines, especially when they will have a smaller Senate majority starting ’11?
As long as we have the filibuster, Dem leadership with any integrity or sense would force Repubs and conservatives to actually filibuster.
Agree with that.
And you have to be an absolute masochist to try to imbue Obama or Democratic Senators with intentions they do not have. As you say they have had a year to make their intentions known and what they have told the public is that their intention is to protect the profit driven system now in place and to actually make it worse.
What is the reluctance to accept that fact. Tennyson I beleive said that “hope springs eternal within the human breast” but he must have had this WH and Senate in mind because he followed that by saying that “man never is but always would be blessed”.
This WH and Senate absolutely should be thrown out. They are simply incapable of serving the public.
But the PO remains popular despite all the efforts to dismiss it from the debate. So, maybe this re-embracing of the PO is just about survival. Just as cynical but perhaps yielding a result. What else do democrats have to run on? “We promise to be more right wing next year?”
Unicorns are more likely to graze in my back yard.
obama is a weak leader and may go down in history as a weaker leader than carter.
but he does give good speechs.
the hidden agenda of demos pretend to be for main street all the while make sure wall street and banks and corps and the war machine controls them.
why is this? follow the money then you will know who the demos represent.
at least the repubs dont pretend who they represent. corp america and the dumbed downed.
When you play poker, you want as many chips on the table as possible. As opposed to say throw or give everything away and start the game!
Well, let’s see…
Their first draft of the bill was so grotesquely bad it lost them Ted Kennedy’s seat. I can hardly wait to see what monstrosity comes out this time.
Of course, whatever they do has already been decided at secret meetings.
Two thoughts.
1- Why would any reasoning person believe anything President Obama says about anything? Bill Clinton may have been a master at compartmentalisation but Barack Obama is the first quantum reality president – in which what he says and what he promises inhabit a different dimension than that of his actions and in-actions. Why is that not more evident to more observers?
2- This so-called surprise letter regarding reclaiming a public option is simply a political cover operation so that certain Democrats can campaign that they were FOR the public option all along, now that it doesn’t have a whisper of a chance of passing.
Go ahead, call me cynical, why dontcha.
The President must insert himself in the process here least it get out of hand and screw his big Pharma friends.
The public option is simply a bargaining chip. The odds of it becoming law are still slim to none. Why the bargaining chip? The big players (insurance, pharma, doctors, hospitals) need to still be brought into a deal, from the Democratic leadership perspective. The leadership still doesn’t have the guts to ram it down their throats.