The joys of bipartisanship. Those Rs and Ds with a corporatist agenda proceed to circle the wagons.

Isn’t it possible to get away from insider carpiness and simply ignore and forget about Lanny “Mr. Cum Laude” Davis?

Brrrr. Ugga bugga! Homos! Snowflake babies! What? No, that’s not my hand on your wallet. You’re imagining things.

made me laugh.
the whole article is a good tag-your-it.
I am completely befuddled by the lack of stories about the Goopers ripping themselves apart via the T-party movement. Albeit that the Dems (with their own corporatist sell outs and apoligists) are not capitalizing on the populist anger at the banks and the HMOs.
Regardless, that Dick Armey guy just said to CPAC they should proudly assault Social Security and Medicare.
I agree. Go ahead.
bzzzzzzt.

And we should be telling Democrats exactly the same thing the Teabaggers are telling Hatch. **** you and the horse you rode in on.

Oh and it’s bête noire.

Oh, this is so familiar…The Party blames its base for dividing The Party and allowing the Enemy Party to win seats. Meanwhile, both Parties vote against the interests of the voters.

Ah, well. At least it’s not the D Party telling me I’m f’ing stupid.

DeMint has said that he will vote for and support third party candidates if the R candidates are not conservative enough. Yep, you can hear that falling apart sound from just about everywhere.

And Eric Cantor is saying that he won’t vote for health insurance reform under any conditions.

That ought to be the cue for the WH to stop trying to get R votes, if they still haven’t figured out that the Rs aren’t going to vote for anything short of Mr O’s impeachment.

It amazes me that at a time when BC/BS proposes raising its rates by 39%, R’s in Congress feel safe enough to refuse any kind of reform.

Astounding.

Hatch blamed the Tea Party movement for the loss of Sen. Gordon Smith, a politically moderate but fiscally conservative Republican from Oregon.

Hatch is arguing to keep moderate GOPers I think Hatch has been reading an FDL poll or more likely a GOP secret poll that confirms FDL’s polling.
After all why speak now it would have been better if Hatch spoke before Sen. Gordon Smith of Oregon lost the election.
Why speak now January 3, 2009 was Gordon’s last day so tell me Nate Silver what has changed over a year later?
FDL polls say Moderate Blue Dogs are in trouble is it that much of a stretch to think that Moderate GOPers might also be in trouble?
Nothing has gotten done in Washington Nate while people are loosing their Jobs and Homes.

BO just hasn’t learned that the Republicans will never Vote for anything a Black President proposes/endorses. They will say it is not racist but… the proof is in the pudding … all those veiled innuendos sure tells ya the meaning behind them Racism plain and simple!!

This story fits nicely with the previous post about the Ds trying to protect ex-Republican Spector from a primary election battle. Both sides want to make sure they eliminate potential problems that might arise from bringing on a new candidate. Vampires and werewolves trying to make sure that the food supply doesn’t get into the decision making process.

But without live food what will we eat? Surely you understand our dilemma?

As more people lose their jobs and homes expect us to move closer to the conditions that gave us Hitler, Stalin and FDR.
The Lake works to create another New Deal. The Dems and GOP seem to want to give Herbert Hoover another chance and it does not seem like the Voters Left or Right are buying it.

How old is this jag-off from Utah? Somewhere hidden in his attic there has to be a painting of him that becomes more loathsome and grotesque with each passing day.

Hmm Harry Reid is in trouble and he’s Mormon, Gordon Mormon, Orin Mormon and worried about GOP losses or maybe Mormon losses?
Maybe we should look at whether the Mormon’s fight against Gay Marriage is a factor hurting Moderate GOPers and Harry in swing Districts.
Sure Lefty Turnout has no reason to be enthused right now and I expect it to be down next election. But if informed Gay Voters and their friends and Family are saying hell no! to Mormon GOPers then they might swing a few percentage points in an election.
Which is all you need in close races where the candidate is a Moderate.

A White House spokesman this morning strongly denied Sestak had been offered yesterday. Before the spokesman issued the denial a senior Pennsylvania Democrat yesterday said White House officials there were angered by Sestak’s account.

Just because the corporatist neo-cons have captured the D Party, I will still remain. I can understand that many P’s (progressives) will say, I am changing my party registration. But they will have to kick me out and fortunately I get very few solicitations for donations anymore.

Our mass communication myth makers want the R’s back in power. I am crazy enough to say that 2010 is a Progressive year. So before anyone wuits the D’s, I would suggest trying to primary a few first.

Party leaders are worried that an expensive primary could weaken an incumbent Democratic senator in what is shaping up to be a Republican year, and also about the possibility of losing the House seat that Sestak won in 2006. He is only the second Democrat since the Civil War to represent the Delaware County-centered Seventh District.

Whatever 2010 is, it is anti-incumbent for kritters. Who is more of an incumbent that Specter. Everyone hates him. Gee could the White House be slightly out of touch with reality. Or are they scairdy cats? Afraid of angry lobbyists and disappointed Villagers? Hard to say.

He said he could not, off hand, think of another instance in which a candidate has divulged an approach from White House officials. Baker said that, in theory, that might be an advantageous gambit for a candidate who, like Sestak, is positioning his campaign as an outsider and wants to demonstrate that “the big guys” are worried about the challenge.

Nachama Soloveichik, spokeswoman for former Rep. Pat Toomey, the leading GOP candidate for the Senate seat, said she had no information on Sestak’s story but added: “It’s just like Arlen Specter to get an insider Washington deal to try to save his political career.”

Okay, so I’m curious. What deal did they cut with Hatch? Of course the WH is doing him a favor by trying to take Sestak out of the picture. What does Hatch do to return the favor? I have trouble believing that all the WH gets is the pleasure of knowing they get to try to preserve the status quo?

both wings of the duopoly are trying to water-down populist movements coming from the left and the right–and, in the case of the rightwing populists, as the hatch article illustrates, the GOP’s patience is wearing thin with the unwashed masses. sure, they can be effective when corralled and controlled thru “culture” war issues during elections, but when they start to jeopardize ruling class interests, then there is a problem.

(another example, sarah palin’s message to the tea party folks: pick a party)

He is the ugly evil portrait.

We who belong to ‘the fukin’ retard party’, not my words ” Rahm”, deserve some kind of conservative compassionism. Health care is fer sizzies.

Brother Hatch may make a good argument for term limits – 30+ years. No it’s not the answer but these Power Bases of the parties (both) need to start doing things for the People and not the Party.

Putting the arguments of Uncle Lanny and Orrin Hatch aside, the Tea Partiers and the progressive movement are in two very different situations right now. Frankly, the Tea Partiers have been playing their role far better than progressives have been playing theirs.

The Tea Partiers understand that the best time to clean house is when the Republican Party is out of power. They’re totally shaking things up on their side.

Progressives need to be supporting progressive candidates this year and not trying to take on the establishment. Democrats are in power, and progressives only look like dicks for cheering Democratic losses (indeed, progressives are scapegoated by corporatist Democrats).

Progressives just don’t get it. They will turn against Democrats while the Democrats are in power and then start shouting against Republicans once the Republicans take power back. It’s backward. In 2010, progressives should support candidates who need it and/or deserve it the most, and leave the so-called “centrist” (code for sellout corporatist) Democrats alone to bury themselves with their failures.

Btw, the next time Blue Texan or Jason Rosenbaum start making arguments like the ones they made not so long ago in the days around the MA special election – arguments that are essentially the same as those of Lanny and Orrin Hatch – this post by Jane should be thrown in their faces.

AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citisen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

I saw the report on Hatch’s confrontation with the Tea Party lunatics yesterday, the report kinda made Hatch look like Custer arguing “Wait a minute if you think I’m bad, wait ’til ya get a look at the dirty rotten hippies!!” And again I ask, what is the advantage to progressives of makin’ commmon cause with the Ron Paulites?

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, BUT DON’T SHOOT UNTIL THEY’RE DONE EATIN’ THEIR CHILDREN!!!

Translation: “Hey, you populist hicks, don’t infringe my right to sell the party off to the highest bidder or the liberal bogeymen will eat you!”

Bulls-eye.

Great way to state the obvious. Any other brilliant thoughts of wisdom?

All Sestak has to do is turn that statement around: “Hey it can’t be any worse than what currently occupies the seat!” I do know that CNN has a poll this week that shows that the public wrath for incumbents runs quite deep.
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/politics/NATL-Poll-Problems-52-of-Americans-Say-Obama-Doesnt-Deserve-Second-Term-84661327.html

Someday Hatch and Reid will be sitting on the porch in their rocking chairs and magic underpants just whittling away and sharing laughs about the good ole days in Congress.

Hopefully that scenario will happen before the third depression.

The house of cards that has been the Democratic and Republican congress that represents corporate america is falling a part.

This current depression is showing the american people an ugly truth, your political leaders no longer work for you, they now serve their corporate masters.

Seconded

Citizen archiebird:

What Sestak needs ta do is use his image as a commander of troops to make common cause with the grunts in the trenches and the worker out of a job. He can say “The commander of a ship needs to know which way the wind is blowin before it starts.” The folks in Pennsylvania will respond to that military populist image (see Senator Webb) but I worry about Philadelphia stayin home in November.

This coming election might just be more bad news for Moderates and Mormons in particular is my theory.

Oh, share the hate.
Oh, spread the hate.
Oh, pass it on.
Gosh, I wish I felt better now. But, I don’t
Congratulations.

Factoid of the day:

Orrin Hatch attended the funeral services of big-shot Teamster Jackie Presser.

(I was surprised to see this in a book that I read last year, but I still don’t understand it.

Anybody?)

“And again I ask, what is the advantage to progressives of makin’ commmon cause with the Ron Paulites?”

I hope that you are kidding. RP, the only non-neocon, anti-war conservative out there should be the first person on any “progressive list of persons to make common ground with” because of one issue…the ongoing aggressive wars that are bankrupting this country. If this war continues to be a second-tier issue for progressives then any chance of a legit 3rd party emerging is probably snuffed.

I have asked this question before several times, but I will ask it again. Which of RP’s policies is so odious to progressives that they would dismiss all of the common ground they otherwise have?

Love the open-minded debate here at FDL, thanks in advance for replies.

Its always good to have people present the other side to an argument it sharpens our skills blogs that don’t make an effort to do this get weak.
BT and Jason I agree with 80% of the time but not on this. I saw a few of those threads they did for the election I don’t think Progressives are the problem its the more Moderate Dems.
They like the GOP are in denial about just how bad things are. BT and Jason are not in Denial but they are still playing the system by the old rules to try and win Dems seats.
The problem is the old rules are not working right now. We are entering a Great Depression scenario.

Webb can stump for him. Does Sestak have any populist successes under his belt to appeal to Philly?

Citizen Bluetoe2:

Yeah but just the two of ‘em or will they have a few nubile young wives ta serve ‘em some a that UN-coffee or whatever it is those folks drink in Utah? Anyway, they will BOTH be relaxin’ on government pensions, Social Security, Medicare and cash from various bank stock options…don’t think for a moment they wanna kill either Social Security or Medicare!

his stance on health care.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=144

i wish i shared your optimism.

while i agree that the representative-democracy-veneer has worn off (or, restated, we see who the elected ‘leaders’ really represent) for a larger portion of the public, the govt-corp’s power is greater than at any time before. and, after the recent Citizens United ruling, it will matter even less to the govt what the people think.

Just because people don’t respond to your sarcastic questions doesn’t mean people are close minded.
Oh, you meant the other people out there with open minds.
My suggestion is that you go find them and have a fabulous openminded discussion.
Having a moment dear?

Citizen archiebird:

He needs ta be makin’ some recon right now with the city’s neighborhood political establishment…I ain’t sure how happy they are with ObamaRahma at the moment.

It’s not the gay marriage thing, it’s the Glenn Beck thing. Beck is a Mormon convert who knows how to appeal to Mormons and he is more interested in his own power than in Republican institutional power. He makes a point of his conservatism not being about Republicans or Democrats, but independent. Good strategy since spurning the Republicans while drumming up numbers and publicity has made establishment Dems come crawling to him and his people. The tea partiers in Utah were already gunning for Bennett and Hatch. This won’t make it any better for Hatch.

I didnt mean to sound sarcastic, and I apologize if I did.

Maybe for you it’s the Glenn Beck thing.
Kindly do not presume that your issue is more important than someone else.
See what I mean?

He needs to continue dogging the Obamarhama in Philly and provide proof of his populist successes while simultaneously showing Hatch representing the old, broken DC establishment

deregulating: everything

My experience is that it is hard not to be sarcastic here.
Accepted.

Demi we warned the GOP that the Tea Baggers would drive away Moderate Voters. We told the Dems deliver on things like Healthcare and Ending the War which the majority of voters wanted.
We were ignored
Now that unemployment and People loosing their homes are the big issues if anything both sides will get more extreme because we all feel we are at risk to lose.
The Dems and the GOP by their inaction are to blame. The people gave the Dems the WH, Senate and House because we had enough of Bush.
Obama has choked at bat. Orin is choking at the thought the Baggers threaten his plans.
Maybe if we scream loud enough something will get done in Washington.
I think we have a right to be angry.

I have asked this question before several times, but I will ask it again. Which of RP’s policies is so odious to progressives that they would dismiss all of the common ground they otherwise have?

Racism

The WH wouldn’t have to do anything to pay Hatch back for anything he might do. There is no way in hell a Dem is going to be voted senator from Utah at this point. So it’s either Hatch or a challenger. The big movement in Utah right now is to the tea party right, which doesn’t always run on logic, if you’ve noticed. So if they don’t help Hatch out, they risk getting someone they can’t even begin to deal with and their corporate masters will hate, too. If they help Hatch, they might get to keep a guy who can be bought off with pork in non-election years and won’t introduce Constitutional amendments approving secession of states that don’t feel like paying federal taxes any more.

You have every right to be angry.
I’m not all that happy myself, today.
I’m just pissed off about an issue I’m working on writing a diary on.
Sorry hon. I didn’t mean to upset you.

“Obamarhama in Philly”…. translation?

i live in philly, and i am curious about this so-called “Obamarhama”…

I can understand yor disagreeing with him on healthcare, disagreements are inevitable when crossing party lines, but does that issue weigh heavier than our 5 wars the MIC is currently engaged in (and contemplating a 6th in Iran)?

Not to mention we had our message stolen, and ended up with Rahm!

Citizen mostcromulent:

I don’t usually respond to trolls but in this case I will just refer you to my question which addressed “progresives”. Remember that the slaveocracy believed in the Bill of Rights (for whites), limited federaliosm (for whites), and equlity under the law (for whites and males) and when the Northern federalists made common cause with ‘em to get the Constitution ratified it ended up in a civil war that we are still fightin’. Tell me again about why progressives should make common cause with a pure American fascist like Ron Paul.

I’m saying for the Mormons who are turning on Mormon politicians like Reid and Hatch it is a Glenn Beck thing. It’s not my issue. Even when I was still active Mormon, I refused to follow the directives on campaigning against gay marriage. Beck knows how to speak to Mormons. If you grew up in it, you can still hear the dog whistles even if they don’t call to you.

Oh, and BTW Things, a long time ago, you and I had a conversation about pulling the non tax thing from churches. I’ve recently gotten on your side of the argument.
There. You have it. Assholes, all. I see what most of the churches are doing and, well, the ones who are doing good will just have to raise the money to pay.

Can you provide links to RP’s alleged racism?

And again I ask what good comes of supporting the bank bailout just because the tea partiers oppose it?

Are there any principles we can have that we shouldn’t abandon when people you don’t like agree with us? Or should we just define ourselves as “we hate you, so whatever you oppose we’re for?”

Now there’s a great idea.

I was merely using Norskeflamethrower terminology. I interpret it as: We elected Obama, but Rahm makes the decisions and the deals, so we end up with Obamarahma. Nothing else.

Emptywheel has a fresh cross-post up and at ‘em: Unsolved Anthrax Case to be Closed Today

Beck may have made a political calculation (or have been compelled to by higher ups) to change his rhetoric about the bailout, but I know for a fact that he was against it at the get go. I remember being immediately concerned that this issue was going to turn the tables for McCain as Obama’s support would illustrate “big government” liberalism and McCain’s refusal would rally independents to his side. To my surprise at the time, this wasn’t even the frame of the debate and one guy – a dude who was going to be getting a show on FOX in the coming year – was saying McCain should vote against it. Fortunately nobody listened to him and McCain’s support helped to convince a lot of “conservatives” not to vote. I have no interest in defending Beck but that website that you link to that calls it “Beck’s Bailout” is OMG hysterical.

Okay so we have to support the war, oppose civil liberties and back FISA. Got it.

Thank Gawd I didn’t.
But, blessings, Sister. Truly.

If the war issue isnt enough for you then I will drop it.

You don’t understand, Norske. The RP folks are against the war so we have to support it now. Right?

No. I. Don’t.
I picked up the snark there.
Inciting bad vibes has it’s consequences, don’t you think?

Citizen ThingsCome Undone:

I hear ya, Brother, and I share your frustration and maybe we need to hit the streets en masse at some point but it ain’t right now when the lunatics are doin’ our work against the fascist party for us. No, our weight has brought the “public option” back into the discussion and reconcilliation as the map to save Democrats politically at least for the moment. It’s political physics, most folks would call it “hope” but that’s what science is after all…hang in there , Citizen TCU,but keep the heat on ‘em.

there are definite times when the right and left populists agree on issues (say, like opposing the TBTF ideology), and it would behoove progressives to make common cause with the likes of the ron paul’s of the world at such times. as, lord knows, the political establishment backs the neoliberal policies tooth and nail; so, it is good to have allies, no matter how much their opinions on other issues might make progressives recoil in disgust…

Citizen hamsher:

The America Firsters were against THAT war too, maybe we shoulda made common cause with THEM huh? Oh, you were bein’ sarcastic?

I believe there is more power in numbers. If you get the teabaggers to agree and help, say, the libs petition congress on a certain issue you put more pressure on your congress critter to pass what it is you want passed because there is more support across the board. Not to mention common enemies make for strange bedfellows.

We all have our crosses to bear. Growing up Mormon wasn’t all bad. They do teach the Golden Rule and being honest and looking out for others and good stuff like that. Actually, it surprises me that Mormons are so hard core conservative politically. Mormon doctrine is actually pretty progressive. Joseph Smith tried to make his followers live under “from each according to his ability and to each according to his need” which might sound familiar but won’t be found in any free market capitalism promotional materials.

For your consideration, people here, for the most part, don’t really respond well to People of Faith. That’s just been my experience.
It’s black and white, for the most part.

Citizen illiopedragon:

I draw your attention to the corporate oligarchy in Germany in the late 1920′s and early 1930′s…they wanned ta use the Depression ta kill the communists and the unions AND the liberal Weimars so they tossed in with the National Socialists thinkin they could swallow ‘em up…kinda like the corporatists in the Republican Party tryin’ ta lasso the Tea Party to gain shock troops and split the Democratic base. Now why would progressives make common cause with lunatics who don’t have any votes ta speak of when the new Democratic coalition Obama put tagether is large enough to get the job done?? The Ron Paulites are not only racist and UNdemocratis, they’re ANTIdemocratic and the best we can hope for ‘em is to split the corporatists away from our base.

He supports tighter border security and ending welfare benefits for illegal aliens, and opposes birthright citizenship and amnesty;[144] he voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul#Political_positions

Blame the immigrants but notice never punish the businesses that hire them. Thats not racism/s

In order to be able to see the latest posts in monster threads (like the 2.8 million-view Town Hall, and the 1.9 million-view Ron Paul thread)

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=388512

My Bold Ron Paul not a Racist tell me are 1.9 million views at Stormfront wrong yes many are repeat views but I’m sure you get my point.
Sorry it took so long to reply

Gottcha!

“kinda like the corpoatists in the Republican Party tryin’ ta lasso the Tea Party to gain shock troops and split the Democratic base.”

Norske, I have no love for the Republican Party/GOP or the corporate oligarchy and neither does RP. Do I sound like a shock troop trying to split the Dems base? I want to find common ground with any anti-war person anywhere and talk about THAT. I voted for Obama because of THAT (and civil liberties, openness in govt., torture and rendition, FISA), and if you think I am swallowing either parties’ tripe anytime soon after Obama made me feel like a fool, then you are dead wrong.

Shout at me and call me names if you feel the need…I will still lurk here patiently and pounce on any opportunity to find common ground with progressives.

Citizen demi:

“…people here, for the most part, don’t respond well to people of faith…”

As a life long Unitarian and the son of an expatriot Catholic whose father was a Norwegian freethinker and mother was an Irish Catholic lunatic I really resent your statement. A lotta folks like my father and his generation and many in my generation fought and many died for the rights of “people of faith” to believe and practice their own mythologies. It is, in fact, the separation of freedom OF religion from the freedom FROM religion to which most folks around here object. If a person’s religous beliefs inform his or her political thoughts and actions that’s fine but but the vocabulary of the discussion must be “secular” and not restrictive.

What with edit I added in the words my bold at my 75 and everything got mashed together I tried to edit it again and put in some spaces but the spaces didn’t stick?

I’ve noticed. And why should progressives have much positive to say about people of faith from a political point of view? If the churches wanted people to respond better to them, they might do more listening and less dictating. They sure would have been better off to avoid the path of demanding separation of church and state when it was in their interests but inserting their churches into the state any time that seemed to be in their interests. I don’t have a lot of bitterness over being raised Mormon, but I have a lot of bitterness over what the Mormon church and others like it are doing to our country. Orrin Hatch is in over his head because he thought he could control the dog whistle but Beck stole it out of his complacent hands and now he’s afraid he’s going to get chewed up. I think it pretty much would serve him right.

True but you can still talk about it I use bible verses every now and then in my comments and diaries. The Mormons trying to stop Gay Marriage I think is a legit target.
But yes there is some Religion bashing here that might not be legit.

I want to find common ground with any anti-war person anywhere and talk about THAT.

Common ground ideas fine we can talk about ending the war anything you want but my veins start sticking out when Ron gets mentioned.

No hassle Demi I’ll look later for your Diary.

Citizen TCU:

Don’t fall into the trap that SOME religious folks want to set for anyone who doesn’t believe as they do…I will and I guess I HAVE fought for the right of anyone to think and practice any religion within the constitutional perameters of freedom FROM religion as a matter of fact my father and grandfather both fought and bled for the same. But when the discussion is politics and social action for the common good then the religious arguments must be made in a secular vocabulary accessible to all.

I don’t see why you resent my comment.
But, of course, you may.
Whoever you are doesn’t address the issue that many here tend not to trust comments of people of faith. That you are one, is not surprising to me. You are a man of spirit, committiment and tenacity.

It’s amazing how the process of trying make a point by nearly overstating the case can still lead to disappointment.

You’re exactly right. When we attempt to define ourselves simply by being against some other group, however that entity might be described, we simply prove that we are not standing for any guiding principles. When the “other side” changes their stance, whether on principle or whim, then we are obliged to react. We become their puppets.

Standing for something, even when those we sometimes agree with stand opposed, means that we have a chance to become internally consistent and almost certainly more self-confident. We can’t be a peace with ourselves if we are constantly waiting for someone else to determine our values. That includes those we often disagree with as well as those we often share common values.

The truth be told no one is always wrong and no one is always correct. The best we can hope for is shades of grey or more likely some of the colors of the rainbow. Find points of agreement but don’t be swayed from those things you know are best.

Sorry for all the hippy sounding rhetoric but even they got a few things right.

Or as my grandmother always told me: “Just because your friends are dumb enough to jump in the lake doesn’t me that you have to follow them.”

Taxing Churches I had forgotten all about that certainly taxing churches for money they spend on politics is cool.

Don’t worry Norske I argue with everybody if I think they are wrong:)

Speaking strictly as a person that used to be very religious (aptitude tests when I was young said I should enter the clergy) and who is now more or less agnostic I generally find religion bashing to be a serious waste of time.

Live and let live but don’t sit back while someone preaches about the only true way.

many here tend not to trust comments of people of faith.

Exploring the reason’s why would be interesting but thats a subject I would have to think long and hard on.

but don’t sit back while someone preaches about the only true way.

Yeah that always pisses me off.

Somehow helping the poor, ending war, no torture JC was Crucified I’m sure he’s against torture never seems to be mentioned by the One True Way Preachers.

Duh. I mean while simultaneously showing SPECTOR is outta touch. so sorry

I decided that diary needs some time and research and well, Compton Cookout should work for Food Sunday. Don’t you think? Gonna spend this afternoon and tomorrow on it.

I’ll look for it Sat or Sunday then.

See you then, on Sunday. A lot of questions to be answered, about why people judge and discriminate and why our generation has failed our kids, if they think that kind of a joke is acceptable.

Things were going along fairly well until the sermon on the mount started talking all of that weird talk about peace, love and “Thou shalt not kill” started getting in the way. Fortunately we’re well past that in these sophisticated times.

The sermon on the mount doesn’t seem to be very popular in some churches these days.

Our Sen. Jeff is turning out to be quite the stalwart progressive. Now, to get Wyden’s attention . . .

See – they said “just kidding” – so in their world they never -really- offered him anything.

Wish they would quit the bullshit but it gets them off.

Helps that law and econ can be interpreted any old way people in power want.

Like baseball/sports – know when its a rebuilding year. That is a fairly good point.

physics is not chess
science is not hope

Didn’t answer the question Norske. Are we supposed to support the Iraq and Afghanistan wars now because Ron Paul opposes them?

Because if we don’t, we’re “making cause” with him, as you indicate.

If that’s not what you’re saying, I’m afraid I don’t understand.