How’s this for responsible?
Along with the reports of the recent raid mentioned in this Al Jazeera video:
At least 10 civilians have reportedly been killed and many more injured in a clash between joint Iraqi-US forces and anti-government fighters in Iraq’s Maysan province near the Iranian border, authorities say.
we also have the decision by General Ray Odierno last fall to include the Peshmerga in a joint US Iraqi force in Kirkuk, granting legitimacy to this irregular force widely believed to be deeply involved in the ethnic cleansing of Christians and other minorities in the region for more than a year. These joint patrols are being used more intensively now – without the approval of a number of local Arab and Turkmen leaders who insist on “participation with equal share of Kirkuk components … Arab, Kurds, Turkmen, Cheldeans and Assyrians.” This preference by Odierno for a nonrepresentative force plays out as Kurdish leaders attempt to consolidate control of additional territory in opposition to a centralized national government.
These same Peshmerga have been involved in recent attempts to block the activities of politicians supportive of the central government rather than Kurdish autonomy:
Politicians on both sides on the line complain of restrictions when they campaign on the opposite side: harassment of candidates, pressure on parties, violence. When Mr. Nujaifi recently crossed the unofficial boundary on his way to Tall Kayf, his convoy was pelted with stones and tomatoes and briefly held up by Kurdish troops, the pesh merga. On Sunday evening a woman running with a secular coalition that includes Mr. Nujaifi and a former prime minister, Ayad al-Allawi, was shot to death outside her home in Mosul.
These attacks mirror the mass attacks on Christians in late 2008 and 2009 which
began shortly after the community lobbied the Iraqi parliament to pass a law that would set aside a greater number of seats for minorities in the January 2009 provincial elections.
according to Human Rights Watch, in a report published in November 2009:
The attacks that followed left 40 Christians dead and displaced more than 12,000 from their homes within a matter of weeks.[87] The killings were accompanied by the bombing of Christian dwellings in Mosul, as well as threatening graffiti in Christian neighborhoods with messages such as “get out or die,” and anti-Christian messages disseminated by loudspeakers mounted on cars, threatening Christians if they did not leave.[88]
And while HRW writes that responsibility for these actions is hard to pin down, it also reports local evidence:
Representatives from the various communities have traded accusations of responsibility and motives. Some Arab and Christian representatives have pointed the finger at KRG responsibility or at least complicity, pointing out that Kurdish-dominated security forces were in charge of security in the area the attacks took place, and suggesting that the murder campaign was designed to undermine confidence in the central government’s security forces.[89] …
As evidence of Kurdish involvement, proponents of this theory point to the fact that the attacks happened in the part of Mosul relatively free from insurgent activity and controlled by the Iraqi army, which was dominated by a high percentage of Kurdish officers in that area. Some of the killings happened in areas secured by Iraqi army checkpoints and, in some cases, in close proximity to them, leading some to believe that Kurdish officers or their proxies had a hand in the attacks.[91] Kurdish authorities have rejected these assertions and accused Sunni Arab groups of having carried out the attacks to sow intercommunal tensions.[92] In a rare disavowal, the Islamic State of Iraq, an umbrella organization comprising a number of insurgent groups including al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, has denied responsibility for the killings.[93] …
Meanwhile the attacks continue. From January 19th:
At noon yesterday, an armed commando executed Abdullahad Amjad Hamid, a married Syriac Catholic, who owned a small grocery store in the neighbourhood of Alsiddiq, in northern Mosul. The man was killed outside his home in the suburb of Balladiyat, not far from his workplace.
Local witnesses reported that “the murder took place in front of the security forces, who saw all the phases of the attack, but did not intervene.” A Catholic in Mosul says that “the tactic is to murder Christians, because the media does not talk about it.” A strategy that aims to push Christians towards the plain of Nineveh, “in the silence and indifference of the government and the international community.”
A source for AsiaNews in Mosul, adds that “Christians are living in panic and have begun fleeing from the city”. He explains that “these are not normal criminals,” but behind them are “specific political plans” that the government is not countering. There is no information from Baghdad “about who is behind attacks on churches and Christians,” but the source is confident that the central executive, the governorship of Mosul and the Kurdish leadership “are aware” of the plan against the Christian community.
And just today GorillasGuides team members in Mosul report:
Today a Christian resident of Mosul has been kidnapped by gunmen who smashed their way into his house in al-Baladiyat. Gunmen killed another man nearby.
Not surprisingly, the “instability” in this region is already being mentioned as a rationale for a possible extension of the presence of US combat forces in Iraq.



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Ordierno wants to kill Christians!! The bastard!
The Kurds have wanted Kurdistan sicne the end of the Ottoman empire.
Watch this destabilize Turkey, Iraq & Iran, and drag NATO into the mess, becuase Turkey is a NATO member.
Good evening, Siun, macaquerman, and Synoia.
It’s insane the level of sectarian targeted bombings, alongside the crass Chalabi/et al. cleansing of the electoral lists…! It’s truly a sad state of affairs…! 8-(
Aloha, Siun…! *g*
Iraq has a “democracy” with election seasons that feature car bombings and assassinations. The government that the US imposed on Iraq is a terrible farce and appears to be a thumb jammed in the cracked dam holding back civil war. When the US leaves Iraq, it is going to melt down.
The US invasion and occupation of Iraq will go down in history as an unmitigated and unforgivable strategic, economic, and humanitarian catastrophe. It never needed to happen.
Thank you, Siun. I was over at GG earlier today and didn’t see that piece.
Equal opportunity killing?
It just proves we are not singling out non-Christians for our “attentions”.
Human beings?
Naw, suck it up, it’s just a thing, move on … now!
Siun, are you aware of this effort?
Throw the financial disaster that is Greece into the mix.
I want to see Blair/Shrub/Darth/Rummy/et al., sitting in the Docket at The Hague…! 8-(
The Kurds also understand when they’ve got a good deal. The Iraqi Kurds are mostly independent and they know it can’t get any better than that. If the Turkish Kurds try the same, it will destabilize the ones who have autonomy. Not gonna happen.
Greece is a gigantic diminutive. Tempest in a teapot.
the Iraq War is just a gift that keeps on taking.
That will be THE day, CTut.
eCahn – I’m not familiar with them. Will take a look.
Except for those to whom it provides continuing obscene wealth and political “$ucce$$” … macaquer.
Small effort, but heart wrenching stories.
Thanks for this, Siun. With all the Christian fundies in the the Air Force, I wonder how long it will be until they intervene with a few bombs.
I was thinking more of the EU having to bail them out, with the possibility of Spain and Portugal soon following suit.
So far, our oh so Christian military seems to have missed the damage our allies are doing to the Iraqi Christians. I guess in this case “Iraqi” trumps “Christian”
They’re not “white” Christians.
Turkey isn’t going to be destabilized by this, but it will be roiled.
When the mess that is Kirkuk comes round again, things are going to get nasty.
Was covered on tonight’s book salon. Merkel & EU is extracting pain out of Greece. It is not too big to fail (2% of EU GDP) and want to avoid moral hazard of bailout. So Greece & others in debt trouble will have to take painful austerity measures to punish them for their misdeeds, then EU & others will refinance their short term debts.
And, if they’re smart like victims of IMF & WB draconian measures, they’ll accumulate reserves & won’t let it happen again.
Bingo!
Beat me to it and much better as well, eCAHN.
It’s my field and I spent over 25 years trying to figure out economy of language.
I know, and you is superlative good.
An eye-opener of a Book Salon, methought.
DW
I pretty much knew the gist of the material they covered. I’ve done a lot of business & tourist travel in Europe. But I was very happy that they have articulated the story. Didn’t know much about the EU military (thought they responded intelligently to Hugh’s pointed Qs), didn’t know the specifics of how the medical system works, so I learned a lot. It’s in my shopping cart for the next big amazon order. (Waiting for the delivery of the one I just did.)
The No More Victims website will bring you to tears.
I don’t wish to hijack this thread, so I’ll simply say that you have the advantage of travel and experience, so mine eyes were most definitely opened.
More and more I can’t help but wonder what the Europeans (as well as everyone else in the world) really think about us?
Pity, disgust, confounded amazement?
You distill concepts to a very fine degree, which I admire.
I do think that economy of language to describe those concepts might do less justice than fully fleshed language, damned nuance and all, to what those concepts really mean.
The American people need to see this, SD. It would concentrate their attention, most directly.
I’ll second that.
I’m gonna email both links to the News Director at WMNF. See what happens. Gonna do that rat now.
Well, comments on topic seemed to have thinned, so let’s continue our discussion until someone tells us to STFU.
Until recently, I maintained the thought that the U.S. should be a mixed economy. Some markets, within wide lattitudes, and some regulation and govt programs. Although the U.S. was going in the wrong direction under W, it was possible to be reversed under O. Quite the contrary. He turns out to be more ideologically & mindlessly “free market” oriented, determined (as far as the telling and believeable hints have emerged) to trash SS & Medicare. So now I have decided that the U.S. is really a hopeless case at the end of empire.
My end of empire scenario requires a replacement power(s). China’s GDP doesn’t exceed U.S. until something like 2040, and it’s military is a shadow of the U.S. Europe, as they pointed out is already bigger than the U.S. in many regards, but its leadership role is developing slowly. So end of U.S. empire is still probably after I’m dead. What a pity. I think the citizens will be so much better off without empire, and would have liked to live to see it.
So if you want a longer explanation plz ask.
Good idea.
Let us know what happens, might start a “trand”, SD.
Seriously.
Southern Dragon – a message from markfromireland: could you leave a message with your email address at his place. The addy he has for you doesn’t work and he’s been trying to get in touch. They’ll catch your message in moderation and it will get to him.
Pairs skating on Olympics.
Butting in where I don’t belong, I believe that was taken care of on Caturday.
Agreed. The “Soft” approach does win hearts and minds.
The one thing that could change the scenario we anticipate would be if others weary of the pace of our “progress”.
I would prefer that they use the “Soft” rather than US-minted “Hard” approach, but I imagine that our children won’t be in much of a position to influence the response of others, and America will become, increasingly, extremely dangerous to the rest of the world in her brutal decline.
I hope folks will follow the issue of ethnic cleansing in Iraq – and GorillasGuides is definitely the best source on this – particularly with reports from team members on the scene. You can follow them here:
http://gorillasguides.com/tag/ethnic-cleansing-of-christians/
We got that squared away earlier today. He caught me early on at Caturday. Thanks for the message. When I dumped Verizon earlier this week my email went bye bye and he didn’t have my roadrunner addy.
On edit: ya might wanna change yer email at that lakefiredog place too, fenderhead.
Glad you connected SD.
Ethnic cleansing in Iraq started right after the U.S. invasion. Remember an article from around 2004 to that effect. Calculated that at that rate it would take about a decade to get rid of every Christian.
maybe it started before we invaded.
LOL!
Talkin’ to yerownself be ya, Dragon?
Wow. Sad. Thank the good lawrd we aren’t going about Afghanistan in the exact same way. Oh wait, that would mean that Obama is as big a warmonger as Cheney, Bush and the gang and that wouldn’t do. Because if everyone is calling on them to be brought to justice, when will the howling start for Obama’s head?
Yeah, I’m way behind updating. Pain in the ass.
They’re top notch and I miss Laith…! 8-(
It’s interesting that the Chinese Fed put the brakes on their economy, and at the same the Politburo announces massive infrastructure construction jobs…! ;-)
So do I. The Iraki team has taken over full time but the originals post now and then. Erdla had a post up not long ago.
CTut and Dragon, mark told us about Laith’s death and a bit about the man.
Would either of you care to add to what mark said so that we, who did not know Laith, might come to know him better?
I would certainly appreciate that very much.
DW
Laith and Mark used to critique my posts(mostly on Iraqi affairs) at Main and Central, a defunct site, that sadly I cannot retrieve, with many memorable exchanges in the comments…! I’ve also had Reidar Veissar comment a few times…! I averaged 40K hits a day, globally…! ;-)
*sigh* How could I omit Erdla…? D’oh…! *g*
I don’t know that I could add anything to Mark. Very open, didn’t suffer fools at all, lived what he believed, an honour to have known and engaged with him. Took courage on his part to engage with us, thanks to Siun.
So true, Bro…! *g*
Been a pleasure, pups, the govt and banks might be non-functioning tomorrow, and that’s different from any other day how?, but I gotta work.
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
My sense was that Laith was a most compassionate and human person.
I don’t quite know how to work into this, but for Americans it is the anonymity of those we unthinkingly dismiss as lesser beings, or “different” from us, making the idea of killing, impersonal and remote.
As I looked at the site with the desperately wounded children, my first thought was that if Americans could see our victims as individual people, especially children, that perhaps, just perhaps, it would in some small way, come home, strike chords of familiarity …
That is why I hope you are successful at spreading this truth that we are killing children, and mothers and fathers, aunts and uncles and cousins.
We are killing ourselves.
Namaste, SD.
The psychological trick of dehumanizing “the enemy” in military training has been extended to the mass media. The American public is handed sanitized “news” with the enemy an abstract entity, very much a la 1984. The media won’t show these children for the same reason(s) they won’t show a dead American soldier. A name and boot camp photo of the deceased replaces the photo of him bleeding out in some shithole. He’s a statistic.
Yes, and as our killing “processes” become more remote and impersonal, drones, and similar devices, controlled by younger souls who are just playing “games”, our future becomes evermore circumscribed and insular.
Ender’s Game
Fini!
Rapture!
Crap!
They say that Jesus wept.
For the children.
This is what happens when Zionist Neocons run American foreign policy. Christians suffer and die and Muslims suffer and die. The enemy is within our gate you retards.