To date, there is no authentic, 21st Century progressive movement. Those may be fightin’ words to some, but I think they’re true. The contemporary progressive resistance arose in response to a consolidation of neo-liberal, authoritarian power, maybe just in the nick of time. The resistance knows what it resists; it’s less articulate about its own vision of a progressive future.
Our collective actions have the feel of an anti-colonialist movement. Metaphorically at least, it helps to look at the advances of the Right as an imperialistic, re-colonization of America. We resist the Right with a defensive action. We lack an effective offensive, though, because we don’t have a shared sense of where we want to lead America.
Recently, there are signs that the resistance is maturing into an authentic progressive movement. Author and organizer Zack Exley’s Huffington Post piece, The New Right’s Secret Sauce, called attention to our missing worldview while pointing to the Right’s shared vision as the source of its strength. Arianna Huffington has selected Jeremy Rifkin’s fine new book, The Empathic Civilization, as her book of the month. Rifkin has penned condensed versions in recent published essays.
Jeffrey Feldman has approached the problem in many ways, most recently in his work on corporatism. I’ve tried to do my part, beginning with my book, The Politics of Deceit, and in the series, “The Promise of Popular Democracy: Origins”; “Part II: Solidarity of the Shaken”; “Part III: The Promise”.
Most recently, I’ve employed the term prairie humanism to refer to a moral vision deeply embedded in the American grain. It refers to a committed and attentive neighborliness, to an understanding that we are responsible for ourselves AND for one another. I’ve spent a lifetime among folk of the West/Southwest. They’ll break their backs to help a neighbor in need; but, as individualists, they want others to mind their own business, too.
Exley captures the economic and political implications of this spirit when he writes of the balance between individualism and cooperation:
It is the tradition of Franklin, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison and so many others who saw no contradiction between individual and collective enterprise. That tradition was suppressed through the rise of big capital after the Civil War, and then it was forgotten forever when the left was flooded by European Technocrats, Communists, Socialists and Fascists in the 20th century.
There are many others I should mention as contributing to this emerging progressive worldview. My own modest efforts owe a huge debt to the work of George Lakoff, William Connolly, Franz de Waal, Marco Iacoboni, Francisco Varela, Drew Weston and others too numerous to name.
Prairie humanists depend on the human biological capacity for empathy. This isn’t surprising. There would be no human culture, and certainly no democracy, without empathy, which allows us to see the world through others’ eyes.
Rifkin writes:
Empathy is the soul of democracy. It is an acknowledgment that each life is unique, unalienable, and deserving of equal consideration in the public sphere. The evolution of empathy and the evolution of democracy have gone hand in hand throughout history. The more empathetic the culture, the more democratic its values and governing institutions…While apparent, it’s strange how little attention has been paid to the inextricable relationship between empathic extension and democratic expansion in the study of history and evolution of governance.
This is true, but Rifkin doesn’t go far enough. As I noted in “The Promise of Popular Democracy: Origins,” when James Madison spoke of the need for “intimate sympathy” among a people, he was pointing to the bonds anthropologists like Christopher Boehm have found among our earliest human ancestors, bonds that led to egalitarian, proto-democratic checks on authority. The Greeks didn’t invent democratic practices. They emerged long before Ancient Greece, 40,000 to 10,000 years ago. Thorkild Jacobson, Norman Yoffee, Raul S. Manglapus, Jack Goody and others have written about these early egalitarian, democratic relations.
One possible reason it seems easier to resist authority rather than advance an egalitarian vision is that our democratic practices appear to have emerged in resistance. Empathy is a fundamental human capacity. But the will to power is also present. So is the need for leadership. When leaders became bullies, bonds among the bullied could — and did – topple the leader. Exile, ridicule, even term limits were employed long ago by proto-democrats.
It’s also no accident that the rise of the scientific worldview and rationalism rejected empathy as dangerously emotional. Rational management and historical determinism, in both Marxism and capitalism, became hallmarks of the modern democratic era.
Prairie humanists want to return our political relationships to something like the neighborliness that marks private life across ideological boundaries. Think how much easier it would be to advance environmental initiatives and the greening of industry if we had already been re-framing progressive politics along these lines. Think how different the health care debate would be. The insurance industry argument depends upon an all-against-all worldview.
Prairie humanists drop old, liberal, technocratic talk of managed solutions. We focus upon consequences. How can our neighbors and we best secure health? What are our responsibilities to such a cause?
The unfettered pursuit of private interests obviously dooms collective opportunity and the constitutional guarantees of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We have to contain — and topple – the political and economic authority that enforces this ideological trap. As we’ve seen, humans have been doing just that for a very long time. We can do it, too.



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Great post, Glenn, as usual. I’ve tried often to decide when we began to lose the sense of neighborhood and empathy and it’s very difficult. One contributing factor, I think, is that we have become such a mobile society. Family and old friends become people who are across the country, not next door or down the street. People have become suspicious of strangers and give you strange looks if you speak to them on the street. I have no answers but lots of questions. And I love the idea of “barn-raisings.”
One of the things progressives have to do is to take a page or two from the righties, who have taken over the Republicans with such success over the last few decades:
1) Far-lefties tend to walk away from politics; far-righties work to take over political parties. This is clearer the further left and right one goes. The closer to Marx one is as a leftie, the less fond of electoral politics one is, because electoral politics and democracy itself are seen as tools capitalists use to forestall the coming of the workers’ paradise. By contrast, righties are if anything more contemptous of democracy, but get great enjoyment out of using democratic procedures to implement their goals. (Note that Nader took seven times as many votes from Gore as Buchanan took from Bush in 2000.)
2) Far-lefties ignored the signs of conservative takeover of our media and our schools — which was essential to the conservative takeover attempts, not just of politics, but of how Americans perceive reality itself — and failed to seriously fund leftie mass media even as the Cons worked to take over radio and TV.
We may not be able to get America’s most trusted News Channel, Fox News, to refer to Liberals as Prairie Humanists instead of the derisive – Libruls.
The word prairie to me infers Red State America, though I can see how it could have value in reframing liberal pursuits as “homespun values”.
Privacy Rights, Freedom of (and from) religion, gay rights, womens’ equality, equalizing opportunity by fair taxation, are liberal values that we share with so-called conservatives.
Most Conservatives have little idea that they believe in these values because they don’t think them through. They can’t think. They are brainwashed by Rupert Murdoch and Co.
¨… I’ve tried often to decide when we began to lose the sense of neighborhood and empathy and it’s very difficult…
It began when builders no longer built front porches on houses and homeowners erected privacy fences around their backyards.
One explanation for the failure of “the sense of neighborhood and empathy” is its justification fell into the category of “metaphysics,” as John Dewey noted. But the science of empathy has naturalized its importance. This gives me great hope. It’s hard to overstate the impoverishment of the intellectual left post-Stalin, post-1989, post-9/11. We may be entering a new era, as Rifkin, De Waal and others believe, because what was once disgraced in intellectual circles — talk of empathy for instance — is now seen as the grounding of new views of human nature.
A violent defeat of the U.S. military will be required to implement your goals. I’m talking about a defeat similar to the defeat of the Third Reich. The only way America can salvage itself is for the defeat of our military, something I’ve been hoping for. Invading Iran could seriously damage the United States and, so, I’m hoping our latest “tough guy” in the White House carries it out.
Political framing wouldn’t end here, it would start here. I just want to point to forms of life more common than many see — even those who live this form of life.
I agree with the basic premise of this post: empathy is one of the key attributes that separate liberals from conservatives. But I think we should be careful about taking on someone like Jeremy Rifkin as a spokesperson for our movement. His book “Entropy” was an anti-science rant filled with untruths, and I really think it discredits him. I think it’s very important for environmentalists to align ourselves with science. They are a key ally in the environmental movement and in the progressive movement in general.
You are very right on this, but then you write in such a wonky technical way and use words that are definitely not how normal people talk.
But the motivations you talk of are the same motivation that most people on the right from that area have. There is not a great amount of corporatist love in the heartland, but there is a feeling that empathy does not by necessity require that government fulfill that need through legistlationa dn government programs. That is the final link that I don’t see strongly established in this post. Where is this heartland uprising for turning private empathy into public entitlements?
I am not a troll, I am someone with a view to the right of most people here, but with similar motivations on a lot of issues. So don’t waste time tearing me apart.
With all the recent discussion of empathy, I am reminded of the old Star Trek episode actually titled The Empath. In a nutshell, the story was that only one civilization on a dying planet could be saved, and it was the one with empathy that was deemed the one worth saving.
I loved that episode when I was a kid, because empathy seemed to be such an important characteristic to have. To be able to put yourself in someone else’s shoes. It is the lack of empathy in neocon/neolib ideology that makes it so dangerous and so repugnant.
Empathy–the most obvious reason why corporations are not “persons,” and why it is insane for anyone to deem them to be.
Rifkin gets some things wrong in this book, too. He’s basically helping popularize some ideas and discoveries of the last couple of decades. It’s critical those insights reach a larger audience. Ultimately, the ideas are grounded in the work of the authors cited above (and some not cited).
Quite true.
That was one of my favorites,too. So much so, in fact, that in the years since, reflecting upon my own personality attributes, I have frequently characterized myself as an “empath,” and proudly, whilst observing that most people don’t have a clue what I’m talking about.
Thanks Glenn – I agree with the ideas in your post. We formed an unusual coalition to pull the nation back from the brink, but that does not automatically transition into a unified progressive movement.
There are significant differences of opinion on such matters as labor, immigration, economic policy, the appropriate role of the federal government in people’s lives, and priorities for Congress. It can be an exercise in patience to raise such differences of opinion and hear that one is somehow betraying the movement.
We have kind of papered over these differences to get Bush-Cheney out of office. But what are we left with now?
You and me both : ) It is also an excellent episode to instill deeply held anti-torture beliefs.
A song that speaks to this directly my friend wrote and posted a short while back on The Seminal . . .
Trust me, hoping for a “comuppance” for the military is not going to win you any sympathy in the prarie states.
To be honest, I am thoroughly offended by the whole tone of your post, and I sincerely hope I am not alone.
whatever you think of the war, and america waging war in other countries, the days when you could portray a military as a rampant killing machine are long gone. And a serious military defeat similar to the Third Reich means losing in your home country…is that really what you want?
Without some semblance of a shared vision, the differences remain difficult arguments over mere preference, and those are hard to resolve because they quickly become matters of will versus will. Another problem is the natural human tendency to reinforce our identity-shaping engagements. Group A is started with goal X. Soon, however, members of group A turn to maintaining the integrity of the group (and their own self-identity as members and what that means to their lives). The goal becomes secondary.
Of course, there’s simple selfishness, too. There are progressive groups licking the bank accounts over the Citizens United ruling. They see it as income security, and fail to see that for each additional dollar they may raise, their opponents will raise $10.
science (at least in the form of Sociopsychology) seems to show that empathy is more present in conservatives than in liberals. Not sure how progressives as a block do on the empathy….there is often such a misunderstanding of the motivation of people on the right, and a full inability to comprehend how anyone of good conscience can have a different view of how to get there.
This article by a liberla sociaopsychologist sheds some light on it
“WHAT MAKES PEOPLE VOTE REPUBLICAN?”
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.html
http://www.yourmorals.org/
This urban humanist could not agree more. I think the more we can articulate these values, the more we will see we have in common with each other. We here meaning both we who populate blogs like FDL and the we who make up the people on the United States.
It is certainly true that it is easier to resist than to build. To make that transition, we have to spend a good deal more time having conversation like this, that are critical (in the positive sense of the word) of progressives. No doubt it also means, as Glenn has emphasized often, focusing on what we can do, rather than what we want others to do.
John Ralston saul, a Canadian, wrote an excellent little (paperback) book in 1999 titled “The Unconscious Civilization” which was a well-thought-through treatise on the growing (at that time) problem of corporatism.
Much overlooked at the time (probably because he’s Canadian and not American ?). The writing style is a bit heavy-handed at times, but the premise and argument are oh-so-solid.
It’s a good book. So is his “Voltaire’s Bastards.”
Speaking of empaths, my favorite Star Trek person was Deanna Troi, because of her abilities. Amazing how the writers got her right. We all know empathy when we see it.
My kids, however, thought I secretly liked her because she was so…buxom…but that’s another story!
Sorry the site went down in the middle of today’s conversation. I’m hanging around awhile for anyone who wants to catch up. Kind of ironic, the temporary technical difficulty happened right after DavidKaib said:
Why be offended? The writer is entitled to his opinion.
You said: …the days when you could portray a military as a rampant killing machine are long gone.
IMHO, this serves primarily as a device with which to split hairs. The killing of any innocents (conservaspeak: collateral damage) should be suffiently revolting to any American. Not for you, apparently.
There are many on the right who (having not the capacity to think such things through to an end) also desire the total and complete defeat of the American Military. They are called Christians.
See, when Christ comes…after Armageddon…
Are you offended also by Christianity?
Glad it’s up again. Actually, 4 comments made it past DavidKaib, but then went down.
This brings up a troubling aspect of FDL, namely, a new posting preempts sustained conversation on the post immediately before the new one. I tend to get in late and have seen this happen over and over again. One time a poster even noted that “Hey! New subject above.”
WTF! Are we a bunch of lemmings?
Well, I can’t argue with the posting/moderating parameters here, because it works, and has attracted a wide, thoughtful audience. And, a piece does stay on the front page a few hours. In my case, anyway, I so value the interaction that I try to stick around to listen and comment. Thanks for hanging in, by the way.
I complained about this once to Cynthia Kouril and she just said people can still comment on the previous threads when a new thread is up. I didn’t bother arguing at the time but the fact is that once a new thread is up almost all the commenting stops on the previous thread. I think a format more like Huffpo or TPM would help alleviate this.
I’m not sure I understand this prairie humanism. Somehow, it makes me think of a longing for a simpler time. The fact is that we live in a diverse and very complex society. It won’t be getting simpler. Not sure how longing for a simpler time can help us articulate a vision for the 21st century. Besides, the mantra of “neighborliness” has already been effectively co-opted by the right as they tell the sheep to rely on themselves as our leaders screw us all over.
European technocrats at the EU have been doing a far better job governing for the common good than have our leaders, no?
What evidence exists for this assertion?
Most of the posts from a single day continue to appear on the front page for anyone who wants to scroll down. I’ve stayed on a thread long after other posts have gone up. There’s a lot of information (which is a good thing, but also bad in the sense that it’s all got to be digested fast).
I think a lot of us have recognized that opposition to the Bush Administration, which led to a great deal of unity and mobilization among Democrats, papered over important ideological and strategic differences. What this post reminded me of, was how the content of the main critiques of the Bush Administration, contributes to the dilemma discussed here. The critique revolved so heavily on the belief that W and the rest were anti-science, driven by emotion over facts, and fundamentally anti-rational.
Of course, that is not to suggest that science should not influence policy, nor is it to reject reason. But my point is that what so often united us during the Bush years depended on Enlightenment views of reason that lead us to dismiss the importance of values and empathy. In retrospect, it should be no surprise that we were ill equipped to rebuild in the aftermath.
I too am a bit offended by the sentiment, but for reasons different than yours, I suspect.
In a nutshell, it is vastly anti-empathetic to hope that a failed operation (i.e., invading Iran), which would undoubtedly cause death and mayhem to innocents, be a prescription for one’s own country’s disease.
Our nation is under criminal occupation.
Excellent! Thank you. On my Favorites list.
You exactly stated one of the problems of today – it’s all got to be digested SO FAST. We have so much “news” that there’s no time to really think about what’s actually going on. Even though I am a news junkie, there are times when I wish it would slow down, especially when most of it isn’t important at all. It’s unnerving to watch people today. Everyone is going at a pace that really isn’t natural but I haven’t figured out what they are trying to catch up with in their rush.
Relying on “Themselves” can be taken as relying on your self, (Individualism) and is not the same as relying on each other, to which I believe Glenn’s thread is aimed.
Nothing wrong with going back, so to speak. Why is going back a problem?
My partner an I have many times concluded that the change in our behavior to each other accelerated with the shift of the porch from the front of the house to the back. Eyes no longer on the street.
Progress is a continual process of steps forward and steps back. We need both.
Important questions.
I linked to the several authors/works who have explored the origins of democratic practices in the distant past. Please see above.
There’s no longing for the past here, because I don’t believe such a past ever existed. What I am pointing to are interpersonal habits, based in empathy, that have been isolated in private life. They need to inform our politics.
In an amazing work that needs more attention, Judith M. Green’s Pragmatism and Social Hope, she points to the elimination of metaphysical assumptions regarding human nature from political philosophy. The extraordinary thing is, the kind of empathic nature we need to emphasize is no longer a metaphysical assumption — science has confirmed it. Those works are cited above as well.
Also, the term “prairie humanism” isn’t intended as political spin. It’s descriptive, and evokes thoughts of populism and a kind of down-home, relational attitude I think many will recognize, at least from their “private” lives. We shouldn’t confuse needed political messages — which may never use a term like this — with the thought that underlies my use of it.
This is one reason I love it here at FDL. Your questions are on target, and help us all think these things through.
WTF? That is not what is needed. It is not to be hoped for.
Our leaders are already doing what is necessary to ruin this country, which will come/is coming in the form of economic collapse.
Slowing down is so important. One troubling aspect of our current practices is that the need to get attention for one’s ideas seems to require a constant presence on the hamster wheel. Too often, I’m afraid, that means the hamsters get all the attention! I’m playing for a little chuckle here, but it is kind of true.
This is certainly reflected here. New threads so fast (only one hour between Glenn’s thread and the new one) that one is torn between continuing reading and posting on a previous thread or going on lest one miss something.
Just my two cents, but rationality relies on truthtelling, and we have become a nation of mindfuckers, on the left as well as the right. We could get a lot of unity from all sides if there was a prioritizing of the value of clear truthfulness on every issue, and punishment for those who deliberately distort the relevant facts. That would also maximize empathy, because euphemism (another form of mindfuckery) serves to deaden the senses.
It’s much easier to explain than this article makes out. People recognize that big business interests in the US have bought the federal government and many state governments and have used this ownership to destroy the middle class. Manufacturing employment moved to Mexico and China. A gradual elimination of the social safety net. Diminishing opportunity for their children. Homeless people everywhere. Good union jobs replaced by service jobs with low pay and no future. Cheap skilled labor imported from India and elsewhere under the H1-B loophole. Union-busting becoming a thriving business.
People recognize that their futures, and their children’s futures, have been stolen by big corporations with the assistance of their minions in Congress and the White House. A good education doesn’t equal good employment in today’s America. The internalization of the “greed is good” amoralism in both politics and big business is the real enemy here.
Many people would like to frame the rape of the American people by it’s own government and the corporations that own them in political terms, as in a political movement, instead of in terms of economic exploitation, because that is the conventional wisdom. I think a more accurate and meaningful way of framing the current situation is as an incipient economic revolution, more like the Grange movement of the late 1800s formed because of economic exploitation by the railroads.
When people begin re-opening Grange Halls and other gathering areas to focus on the real enemy, we will know the beginning of the end of the era of corporate dominance is at hand. Until then, political pundits will continue to distract from the real issues by framing everything as “just politics as usual”. It is not.
Hope you are still around to see my thanks for your having been lured out of your den and posting this uplifting article.
As a product of those who pioneered the prairies of the 19th and early 20th centuries I say you have chosen a perfect name. These cold hard folks that now have the platform in so many of the prairie states do not reflect the spirit that pioneered them.
The spirit of Republican Alf Landon native son who some years after his defeat by Roosevelt declared that Roosevelt’s election and administration had saved the nation.
Now I have gone sentimental. :-)
Yes, and it gets tiring, doesn’t it? I grew up in a much different time than most people here and remember the big family sitting around on the front porch discussing the news of the day. It was interesting and educational and at a pace that didn’t make your blood pressure go up. We need to be able to separate the important from the unimportant in order to get some sanity back. The antics of a silly movie star are not as essential as Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc. nor are the strange things that Palin says.
The term, “Prairie Humanism” (perhaps Steppes Humanism to broaden the view a bit) really resonates. My SO is from the Dakotas, and she has taken me back to her home town, a small town on the NoDak, SoDak border several times. What a difference from being raised in Chicago, as I was!
But then, while it was Chicago, we really migrated to the outskirts where close ties seemed to evolve from the prairie attitude just beyond city limits.
Of course now, you gotta go really far away fro the city to find it in Illinois, with the accompanying suspicion of strangers that follows.
I wish it was easier, but I don’t think so. Once again, I sure don’t recommend that all our political advocacy, messaging and actions have to articulate this at every step.
But there is a hole in the center of our thought, a hole that many of the thinkers cited above are filling. A broader understanding — and the new narratives that will grow from that understanding — may be necessary to the founding of a new Grange movement. But it doesn’t mean members of that movement have to sit around and explore these ideas. They can focus on the actions — and the circumstances — they deem relevant.
Thanks, TalkingStick, you of the name I admire so much. Whatever merit these ideas have belong to the original sources (cited and un-cited), to this engaged community at FDL, and to others. I just listen good, as we might say here on the prairie.
I’m somewhat familiar with the Upper Paleolithic Period (c.40,000-10,000 BCE) and the sources we have from that period. Any argument for democracy as we now experience it in this country coming from the small communities of that time, it seems to me, can’t be anything more than speculation.
For that matter, the idea that democracy coming from ancient Greece also seems weak to me. What we have comes from developments in feudal society (beginning in England in the thirteenth century – Magna Carta, Parliament – and even more so from England in the seventeenth century – Republican Commonwealth, Glorious Revolution).
I completely agree with you regarding human nature and empathy. I suppose I see it as a part of the answer, rather than the whole. Again, society is far too complex and diverse.
Talking Stick. It’s interesting to see how much this simple tool is so disliked, for so many people cannot hold back, interrupting even before the speaker has finished. The quick out do the slower, considered person. But when the Talking Stick is insisted on after the group accepted the use of it, things settle down and real exchange begins to asset itself.
I’m just saying that the right already has an answer to this: charity and volunteerism. I had a conversation with an otherwise very intelligent 20-year-old a couple of summers ago who made this exact argument to me, saying that social programs take away his ability to be charitable to his neighbors. (He was a very intelligent young man who had clearly been fully indoctrinated into a particular worldview. Maybe with more experience, he’ll come to see things differently.)
It’s not just speculation, it’s based on evidence. But I try to be careful to say “proto-democratic” or “democratic practices” rather than “democracy.” I’d urge you to check out those sources.
It’s hard to call the exiling or assassination of a bully leader “democratic,” but the truth is such actions are examples of the bullied using empathy to find solidarity — to say nothing of shared power — to choose leaders that represented their interests. There were assemblies with power in Mesopotamia. There were ancient cultures with term limits, even.
I think you’ll enjoy reading these relatively new work — although Jacobson’s dates from the ’40s, it’s not all that new.
As to complexity and diversity, I sure don’t think in terms of some totalizing solution. I think a natural respect for human complexity and diversity grows from this view.
Agreed, but really, volunteerism is pretty old fashioned. Been around quite a while. Volunteer firefighters are a fine distillation of this. You volunteer but yet one has to accept the training and process necessary to be effective. And with volunteer firefighters, each call can shift basic responsibility as a result of who is first to arrive and prepare the fire truck for response. One day you drive, another you are on the tailgate. So it teaches responsibility well.
When a neighborhood is burning, throwing a few buckets of water on one house in self-congratulatory charity is, uh, less than efficacious. It’s precisely why we need to contest the worldview that makes such actions seem moral.
How dare you rob them of their noblesse oblige? That is also a reason for opposing any effort to address inequality – how can the better off be magnanimous in bestowing charity to prove their own moral worth if there is no one destitute around?
The social welfare state does have some terrible consequences.
You may be right that the right has an answer for this, but I think the weight of the evidence suggests that most people feel government has a duty to protect people and are willing to pay for that, rather than rely on charity. People do not necessarily support all ways of doing that – which is why we are often led to think that people are greedy or believe in conservative solutions. But policies that are universal, that treat everyone as an equal person, tend to be the ones with the most support.
I once heard Howard Dean speak very well of the generation of young people now coming into adulthood/voting age. He said that they don’t think in the same divisive terms like he or I were taught/socialized with when we were growing up. I don’t remember the exact examples he used, but one had to do with race and another with sexual orientation. His point was that young adults today don’t think about each other in ways that divide them the way older generations did and still do. I agree with him.
So is his “Voltaire’s Bastards.”
Indeed it is.
His most recent is “A Fair Country – Telling Truths About Canada” and it’s remarkable in a number of ways.
I totally agree. My point was only that the right has their own answer for neighborliness. You and I might think that their answer is shitty So how do you advance a different notion of neighborliness that will be embraced by enough people for it to achieve the goal of impacting/shifting dominant views and discourse?
It’s hopeful, I’ve noticed it too. In fact, I’ve gotten looks of confusion and dismay from my daughter’s cohort when trying to explain the alienation and divisiveness.
Perhaps this, lets call it a visible sentiment rather than an “uprising,” has been shoved aside by fear, uncertainty of purpose (materialism as a default value will cause, according to Judeo-Christian teaching, a sense of separation from God and Creation), and the rationalization of greed as a necessary evil.
Because I’ve yet to see any focused anger or frustration coming from the “heartland” over the growing income disparity, the Wall St. vs. Main St. issue that smacks of the acceptance of elitism and worship of the wealthy, nor of the plight of, say poor children.
Does the “heartland” have the heart for the task? It will be messy, and poverty ain’t pretty at all.
Definitions can become far too broad. What one sees as evidence of “democracy,” another could easily see as not. The difference is how democracy is defined.
Has there ever been a political reality that didn’t include cooperation from the vast majority of the society’s members? Even absolute monarchy (the bully leader Charles I was executed for trying to impose absolute monarchy in England) is not really absolute. Power being shared; offices being term limited; assemblies being part of a political system: these do not mean a government is democratic.
Income disparity is only one measure of poverty, and a weak one at that. Unfortunately it is the accepted measurement, with unfortunate consequences which follow.
Anyway, what’s important to your argument are the values that have been identified in other societies, far more so perhaps than the political systems.
Yes, and how those values grew from the capacity for empathy (which, by the way, I also think has evolved and been enhanced by later, modern cultural developments — for instance, historian Lynn Hunt’s fascinating work on how the rise of the novel facilitated empathy-at-a-distance and gave rise to the human rights perspective.
One reason for identifying proto-democratic behavior in ancient cultures is that the current myth of democratic origins places far too much emphasis on cold reason. Don’t forget, Enlightenment types (especially Kant) specifically rejected empathy as a basis of moral action, precisely because it wasn’t reasoned from first principles.
Democracy is not the product of reason alone, which the mythology about the Greeks reinforces.
Which is why I say “proto-democratic” or “democratic practices.”
Democratic citizenship, in its modern sense, has come to mean something like a rational actors pursuit of self-interest. That’s justified, in part, by tying democracy to Greek and Enlightenment concepts of rationality and universal reason (in the latter case). That’s what needs exploding, and it’s why it’s so important to see the pre-Greece origins of, say, egalitarian practices.
It bears mentioning that right wing charity might vanish if the tax deduction that accompanies it were to vanish.
Also, to the extent that a tax deduction is available, it is really a drawing from public funds taking place, but the “giver” gets to enjoy a more concentrated reward, both financially and in terms of social benefit derived, than the diluted benefit he might receive from a governmental contribution to that same charitable cause.
Perhaps it’s a matter of limited attention spans; in which case the right will prevail, as one has a very good focus when fearful and paranoid.
LOL, but also sad.
Well, novelty drives much of human behavior. iPad replaces iPod, replaces telephone, replaces…what?
Income disparity, IMO, is not a measure of poverty, nor did I mean that; I’m using that as a measure of economic justice.
There is discontent in any society or nation marked by a notable gap in income, and it’s exacerbated in a capitalist system.
[stating obvious] And our President had the shortsightedness to rely on the Senate – the homebase of euphemism for the entire planet – to legislate health insurance reform.
Yes it is, but what is the solution? Rejection of capitalism? No, I think not. Instead, we have to reject where capitalism has taken us, to the point that capitalism for the sake of capital is the basis for action. Capitalism place is the availability of capital to drive economic activity, born from actual production of goods and services.
The bottom line used to be a measure of an operation’s success, and not and end to itself. Once that notion took hold, ie capital and end to itself, the downhill slide started in earnest.
Capitalism today seems to be highly risk adverse, as if having money entitles the possessor to more money with no risk involved.
What is needed today is greed management.
I leave it to Glenn and colleagues to define it in the present. But Prairie humanism as practiced by my ancestors, and I have many of their writings, was not a simple as you might imagine. They were very conscious of their mission to build a civil nation. They were of course close to the land but their dreams were for more than just breaking the soil and making fortune. They built the important institutions of a civil commuunity Not just churches and schools but Concert Halls and asylums to treat the less abled compassionately. One example my gr gr grandfather planted the first apple orchard and opened the first book store in Grant County, Wis. They all served in public office when it was considered service.
Imperfect yes. And there were always there who were greedy for land and then the minerals. Eventually they prevailed. But I promise you many, I think most, were not simple men and women and certainly they were not radical loner predators.
Really good points, PW.
U of W at Madison attests to that very well.
I took the name Talking Stick for one of my web sites and a nom de plume as result of reading quotations by Kofi Anan on the tradition as it was practiced in his homeland. It came from a New Yorker article and the quotation was by Warren Feek an amazing man the spirit of the international organization Communications Initiative
This is an equally amazing organization that defies description. It has many components. The workers are communication experts and the aim is to establish and evaluate all forms of communication world wide in underdeveloped nations but also in the developed. It’s web site is http://www.comminit.com/ The e-magazine Drumbeat. is one of several and the best. But there is so much material it is overwhelming. http://www.comminit.com/en/drum_beat_528.
I would not argue against your contention; but it may well be the internet will promote once again that sense of neighborliness; seems to me we have seen major examples of that on the threads of FDL, with of course some fine examples of name-, but those seem to me to be the exception.
Why is this necessarily true? I would like you to fill out the logic for the conclusion you have asserted.
Yes indeed. It is an honorable legacy.
Most of my family moved on west toward the end of the 19th century, carrying their ideas with them all across the Dakotas, Iowa and finally Oklahoma. I know they were hardly unique. I also know they were’t greedy for money. Never made much (sigh)
I’d like to second that. Should have posted back to Phoenix Woman earlier in the thread.
I’ll tell you when it was: 1980 [or more accurately, Jan. 20, 1981] with the presidency of Ronald Reagan.
I was acquainted with Reagan’s pre-presidency philosophy, since I went to college in CA in the mid-60s, and to law school there 1972-1975.
Reagan was all about “us vs. them:” the “welfare queen”[black, of course, it went without saying] driving around in her Cadillac paid for by “honest taxpayers;” “wasteful government spending” again paid for by those honest taxpayers. Just on and on and on about how government should not “take” your money [i.e., taxes] because it would just piss it away on worthless items. It should “let you keep your money,” because of course you could spend it much more beneficially.
From that time, taxes have become “robbery,” not, as I think Oliver Wendell Holmes said, “the price we pay to live in a civilized society.”
I had actually “hoped” that because Obama’s campaign seemed to emphasize community and “we’re all in this together,” he would take the momentum of his victory and beat back this selfish crap that’s been peddled for 30 years.
He could have quite rightly educated the country, and said government has an obligation to tax FAIRLY and to spend WISELY, and that such actions enhance our nation and its communities.
But no, the insecure idiot had to hide under the bed in fear of the “Deficit Monster,” proposing a “freeze of discretionary programs [ha!]” while continuing those non-discretionary [again, ha!] purchases of wars and munitions.
What a waste of an opportunity!
Anyway, that’s my entry to this contest. Submitted with great disappointment.
Right-on
Seems to me this issue is clearly addressed in the Preamble to the Constitution in the phrase “promote the general welfare.”
well, as a daughter of the prairies, (tho it’s a changed world) the difference is basically between:
Life, liberty (aka libertarianism), and the pursuit of happiness (aka greed),
vs
Liberty, egalite, fraternite…
no egalite and fraternite in the US, baby….
And yes, you should read Sauls new book, and you’ll understand communal vs. individual thinking
This is what makes the pain so bitter.
I’ve always meant to tell you: we used the “talking stick” in our family when our kids were young, to get them to learn to listen to each other.
Worked great.
Ha! Just watching a Super Bowl commercial in which dozens of folks lay down their bodies so a Budweiser truck can drive across where a bridge had washed out.
If folks can do it for Bud, why can’t they do it for education, health care, etc.?
Kofi Anan interview was in the March 2003 New Yorker. His point was the power of “palaver.” Paraphrasing: ‘You sit and talk until each in turn holding the Stick until the problem is solved.’
We have the tools and the knowledge. Why we don’t apply them I don’t know. Maybe it is as much that some don’t feel they have their say, that their views are not respected.
Super Bowl is a done deal. I sort of feel sorry for Indianapolis. They were set up like that team the Globtrotters played against.
From part two of the Promise of Popular Democracy:
Yes. I am not a scholar on the subject but I have come to understand the influence of the Iroquois League on those who designed our government. It is a shame their influence on how to live together on this part of the planet has not been as great or enduring.
As a native Oklahoman Dust Bowler I am acutely aware of the cost of tragedies and missed opportunities caused by our racial hubris.
And I continue to be astounded at a group of humans, I would say subspecies, of that eschews empathy being taken seriously, much less celebrated.
You might find this little diary I wrote the other day.Link
That is beautifully put.