I said this last week:
The White House has spent this last year insulating the president from the grit and grime of the health reform battle, thinking that if Obama stayed above the fray, he would be seen as more presidential—or at least would retain that “new car smell” and those lofty approval numbers.
And this week, it seems more and more people are noticing—or, perhaps, more accurately, they noticed a long time ago, but now they feel more comfortable talking about it.
Take, for instance, Senator Sherrod Brown (D-OH), who told Sam Stein:
The president was weighing in pretty heavily on the discussions between the House and Senate before the Massachusetts special [Senate] election–it’s dried up since.
Or the Democratic source that told Chris Frates at Politico that during a Thursday meeting between the Democratic caucus and Obama:
Pelosi expressed frustration with the pace of progress and the president’s decision not to weigh in publicly on a way forward, according to the source.
There are also similar leaks and statements about frustrations expressed by Senators Franken (D-MN) and Sanders (I-VT).
And then there’s Rep. Pete DeFazio (D-OR), appearing earlier tonight on The Ed Show, who was even more explicit:
The White House has really checked out of this debate—I mean, they have not been directive. I mean, the president came to our caucus and in response to one member said he supported the public option. Well that’s great, but where was the bully pulpit in support of the public option? . . . I haven’t seen them deliver at all in this debate. Remember, they started by cutting a deal with the Pharmaceutical industry—couldn’t have been a worse start.
But, in contrast, President Obama made a series of public stops yesterday where he made a point of urging Congress, like he did in his State of the Union, to pass health care legislation. Publicly engaging (after months of what many complained was an obvious absence from the debate) while privately stepping away. Is that a strategy for getting real health care reform, or is that a strategy for getting reelected?
I know what the White House is thinking, but I’ve got news for them: Not only will leaving Congress to “get it done” all by themselves—leaving the House to try to figure out some way to pressure the Senate into making sensible, productive changes—not produce a quality reform bill (or any bill at all), the president will not be insulated from the failure.
I expect the political team at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. thinks that it might be a win-win. Either they get to sign a bill, no matter how ineffectual, and call it a victory, or they don’t get a bill, and can blame obstructionists in Congress or the flawed process during this year’s elections (and 2012, too). But it’s not going to go down that way.
Here’s John Nichols from the same Ed Show segment:
[T]he American people don’t care what a filibuster is, they don’t care what cloture is—there’s a new pew center poll that says that they don’t even know what those things are—what they care about is whether their kids, whether their parents, whether they have health care. And if the Democrats don’t get this—I start with Barack Obama, nobody gets off the hook, Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the whole Democratic Party—if they don’t get that the issue is health care, not Senate rules, they are going to be beaten awfully badly this fall. They may not lose all their majorities, but they will lose their ability to function, and, in so doing, they will have sacrificed their ability to set this country right, that isn’t just bad politics, that’s bad morality.
The White House still does not seem to understand this, but it looks like many in Congress (such as those quoted above) now do. After a year of avoiding the spotlight—letting Congress work out their health reform plans in public while cutting his own deals in private—the president now tries to appear engaged in front of the cameras while trying hard not to have a hand in either a failed effort or the breaking of some of his secret deals behind the scenes. Instead of “The buck stops here,” Obama is positioning himself for “It’s not my fault.” From “agent of change” to “victim of circumstance.” Is that really how the president wants voters to think of him in November of 2010 or 2012? Is that really how he wants to be seen?



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damn straight Gregg,
It is all on Obama. If he doesn’t shape up, we WILL ship him out.
They aren’t functioning now. They’d have to get off their tails and work to rise to the level of functioning.
I saw DeFazio and Nichols on this segment today, thought it would be nice if it showed up somewhere…
Obama can still make it back. He has to choose to fight, chose to win.
I used to think somebody should take OFA out behind the shed and give them what-for. But perhaps dismantling is a better strategy.
Poor Dr. Howard Dean.
*bam* Right out of the gates…! Sickening…! 8-(
dear Dr. Dean. if only…
Obama has to grow a set and continue to hammer the Republicants every chance he gets. It is time to use Reconciliation to push a good health care reform bill through Congress.
I’ve been saying for several months the Dem strategy for the midterms was to pass their crappy corporatist HCR package and then spin themselves as the best thing to happen to health care delivery since Jesus Christ.
It would have been a tough sell even if it had gone according to plan. Damn near impossible now.
Picture me as James T. Kirk screaming Rahm!!
I feel sure there’s a place for him on TeamObama. I also feel certain that Obama will appoint him to a high-profile slot 6 weeks before the ’12 general, and if there is any justice, Dean will politely decline.
On his worst day, Dr. Dean is ten times more governance-capable than TeamObama.
I don’t want to hear or even read the word “bipartisan” again during this administration.
Assumes facts not in evidence. Dean speaks with a candor made possible by the absence of future political ambitions. It does not mean he would be an effective leader.
Having said that, I’d be happy to let him try. He could only be an improvement over what we have now.
Since they’ve fiddled around while Rome burned the ony way to salvage anything now is reconcilliation. It will anger the Republicans and their base by using reconcilliation but what the hell at this point. They’re going to squeal like a pig no matter what so act like a dictator and ram it through. That’s what the criminal Bush would have done.
There’s no way Howard Dean will be any part of this administration, especially if Rahm Emanual stays. It is my understanding that the acrimony is an open secret. Now if he were a Republican that would be different. He would likely be invited in for the Super Bowl.
Strange party that disrespects and discriminates against its own while pissing in their pants to invite the Tom Tancredos in for beer and cigars.
I thought DeFazio was terrific. Good to see the ranks breaking and leaking some.
ain’t that the truth.
You have to wonder just what Obama et al were thinking. Din’t they watch what the GOP was all about over say the last 15 years?
This behavior is straight out of the Chicago Politics Handbook…never back a loser.
Jane originally saw the choice of Emanuel for CoS as the disaster it was. That choice was largely David Axelrod’s (godfather to one of Rahm’s kids). Rahm wasted little time in bringing his doctor brother Zeke in as de facto top advisor on health care. Zeke’s idea of reform was limited to a health care exchange without a public option. (http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/02/dr_ezekiel_emanuel_rahms_broth.html).
Obama cannot make it back without firing the horses that brung him. How likely is that?
Granted, as Gov. of Vermont, he didn’t have to worry about a lumbering economy, like California, or a major immigration slate like Texas or Arizona or New Mexico… or California.
But he stated his desires for the state clearly, set about doing it despite a lot of nay-saying, and the result was, for example, a health care system that many Progressives would be proud to endorse for the entire nation.
These days, not giving a crap about what the ‘loyal opposition’ thinks is Job One.
OT drive by high in Seattle today was 60 degrees in February neighbors said they see plants sprouting I think Global Warming is relative to where you are at maybe?
I think Dean would be a much better political tactician than Obama, or any of the other Dem leaders for that matter. Dean knows when to walk softly and when to use the big stick. Obama has evidently only mastered the first part.
Been snowing all day here.
Actually, I’m not certain that Dean does know when to walk softly. I find that rather charming, though.
That occurred to me too but he actually kept a pretty low profile as DNC chairman.
That he did. Agreed.
Imagine if somebody like Dean was Senate Majority Leader instead of Reid…
Rahm blows but Obama’s responsible when all is said and done. Every day I’m just amazed. this guy had approval ratings in the stratosphere. and remember rachel used to do a segment “Republicans In Exile” ? Yuk, yuk. they were in total disarray. And Obama somehow managed to piss it all away.
Spoke with two people on Wednesday. The one a business owner is moving his business to his home, because his wife is expecting twins and they have to have her health care coverage. He can’t pay for health care with his business and they can’t afford the babysitting expenses for four kids once the twins show up.
The second was a woman that knows a lot about computers and would love to get a better job, but since she has lupus can’t go without health care coverage.
I just wonder who our members of Congress are actually talking with besides the folks with Medicare that already have good government run health care.
After listening to Obama’s response to the MA senate defeat, I do not see him changing his ways before the 2010 elections. Afterword, and as they recover from a huge catastrophe, perhaps they will be made to change, if Rahm can’t make his indictment of progressives stick. It is minimally hopeful, however, that the senate progressives, all four of them, are beginning to get the spine they should have had from the start of the session. I cannot believe that Franken will remain publicly silent on all the corrupt goings on for much longer based on what I heard from him when he was on AirAmerica. But, I’ve been fooled before.
He would still have the ConservaDems, and Obama’s ‘centrist’ nature to deal with. But it would be noisy, bloody fun.
an unusually warm air mass over the Arctic and Canada pushed the cold air down across the US, so yes, it is relative.
The possibilities would seem to be limitless…! *poof* Then I awaken from my reverie…! ;-)
Oh you mean having Baccus trying to run his office out of a broom closet in the basement?
Dreams are good… and ice cream!
Help! How can I email Rachel Maddow? I keep getting MSNBC even when I type Rachel@ MSNBC. I feel like I’m in a freaking maze. Does anyone have a direct link to Rachel and/or Keith?
Or the mens room, with beans on the cafeteria menu every day.
OMG. That would be wonderful.
I use rachel at msnbc dot com. works for me.
Hey Loo Hoo!
Is this what you tried?
rachel at msnbc dot com
The email addy in your comment has a space after the @ which should not be there.
Obama and the Democrats aren’t going to change between now and November. They may try to modify the atmospherics but the substance will be nil. We have to be realistic. They did nothing with the biggest majorities in 75 years. From here on in, the obstacles to action become greater not smaller. We have been witness to an epic fail at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. The Democrats failed at governance. And I don’t mean they just failed. I mean total failure. They are going to be massacred in November. I wish we had put up progressive candidates to primary them. As it is, the Republicans are going to be the big beneficiaries. But that is the price for failure and they deserve it. Unfortunately, we and the rest of the country do not. Republicans will do even worse than the Democrats. We are looking at a setup for both depession and revolution in 2011 and after.
I’ve been figuring that if he were to get rid of Geithner and Summers it would be after November. But at this point I give that only a 50-50 chance. Obama seems really wedded to the idea of sticking with failure, but then that’s probably because he is such a Blue Dog corporatist.
Proving that you don’t have to be better at governance that Republicans to maintain your standing with the public. You only have to be awful, as opposed to catastrophically bad. And the Democrats are even worse than that.
newt and ratfood, that seemed to work. When I tried it from google, it sent me to a mailbox on my computer I don’t get…
Thanks, mission accomplished!
Damn that Barrington Chadsworth IV and the horse he rode in on!
The Dems appeared to labor under the misconception that they won in ’06 and ’08 by virtue of their own cleverness and failed to recognize that voters EXPECTED them to work on behalf of ALL Americans. Factor in their complete fecklessness and as you say, they deserve to lose.
economic cla$$ – tho$e people ain’t u$.
while, duh, the fascists are the worst, due to their incredibly effectiveness at evil, the fucks on “our” side haven’t a real clue what the real lives of real people are like, and they haven’t for decades.
sure, there are millions of people making over $100k a year, BUT – see table 689 of the 2010 Statistical Abstract of the United States – there are about 187,000,000 with 2007 money income of $50,000 or less.
tho$e people do NOT know u$.
they are NOT worth supporting with time, money, or any combination of time and money.
rmm.
All I have to say to that is:
Why settle for the lesser evil? Vote Cthulhu.
So that’s why the G-7 is having their meeting up there. Here I thought it was just to frustrate would be demonstrators.
Cthulhu for President: No more years!
I see that Bobo Brooks was pontificating on high on PBS again…! I wish, Shields would just smack him already…! Like that’ll ever happen…! 8-(
I first saw that as a bumper sticker. I almost wrecked my car I was laughing so hard.
Here’s what’s on the CNN political spot. Nothing about Shelby.
Just goes to show that the media’s job is tillitate and amuse, not inform.
Good luck with that. You’ll have to move to Mongolia to avoid it.
Triangulate. It’s all about triangulation. Which is just another term for the strangulation of the political process.
The Obama administration, and especially the Blue Dogs, try to seat everyone at the table (or at least try to give the appearance of seating everyone), but their seating arrangement over the past year has included seating many of the same people who’ve caused a national healthcare disaster (44,000 U.S. citizens dying needlessly each year) and many of the same people who caused a near-collapse of the financial system a year and a half ago, as well as their puppets in Congress. Thus the secret meetings, the secret deals cut just weeks after President Obama was inaugurated, with the corporate bigwigs the first ones seated at Obama’s table. (This reeks of the first weeks of the Bush administration’s first term, when similar secret meetings, secret deals were cut with the corporate CEOs of both domestic and foreign energy companies).
On the other hand, the culture of corruption Republicans don’t have any interest in seating (or even giving the appearance of trying to seat) everyone at their table. Just look at the Bush/Cheney years and all the flagrant cronyism. Just look at the teabagging teapartiers. The Republicans have a whites-only country club mentality, with token representation of a few non-whites near the head of the table, while at the head chairs of the Republican table are seated white corporate CEOs and white evangelicals.
So, of course, the Blue Dogs in the Obama administration, in trying to triangulate, in trying to offer a seat at Obama’s table to these long-time sponsors of the culture of corruption Republican Party, these “righteous” people who’ve done so much damage to our democracy over the past thirty years, who’ve made a mockery of our liberal democracy every chance they’ve had, well, these Blue Dogs literally undermined every reason for why American citizens overwhelmingly voted Barack Obama into office in November 2000.
And the culture of corruption and obstructionism Republicans are trying (and have succeeded in many cases) in yanking out the chair from under President Obama at his own table, but only because the Blue Dogs helped “legitimize” the culture of corruption Republicans through the Blue Dog’s insane “reach across the aisle” policy, trying to get the culture of corruption Republicans to “play nice” (like they did during the infamous Bush/Cheney years?) even as these Republicans bring assault rifles to the table with the intent of shooting out the chair legs under as many Obama supporters as possible.
We got used to the delusional happening during the Bush/Cheney years. I had hoped to not see this delusional attitude carried over into an Obama administration, but I didn’t count on the Blue Dogs actually siding in many cases with the culture of corruption and deceit Republicans, continuing spurious Bush Era policies, thumbing their nose at the liberal, progressive of the Democratic Party and ultimately siding with the corporate elite (both domestic and foreign) over real reform that would benefit all U.S. citizens.
I wonder if FDR would have invited the party responsible for the Great Depression to listen to the World Series?
It’s way past time for the media to start reporting IMPORTANT news, like Lindsay Lohan having a row with Samantha Ronson and throwing a drink in her face.
Oh, they did?
Never mind.
That’s when you can expect to see Xe mercenaries on U.S. streets.
It is my opinion that the show TMZ should be banned as a crime against an educated populace.
Ain’t that the truth?
HuffPoo carried the Sam ‘n’ Lindsay story too.
I made this comment as a joke a long time ago but it just might have a bit of truth at it’s core. Blackwater is the new Pinkerton.
No recognition of trying to avoid the mistakes Clinton made on health care?
Since the populace in the U.S. isn’t “educated” it’s not a crime.
Big things, like the stimulus (in which Obama only gets one attempt), or health care (in which Obama seems determined to get zero attempts at) are not issues that should be used to gauge the metrics of whether the ‘loyal opposition’ is willing to allow you to govern. (Yeah, that is a laugh-line if ever there was one…)
Once they are decided, the course is charted and there is little if any chance or turning it around.
Which begs the questions: Did TeamObama ever intend to actually lead the nation anywhere? Are we alone in the country to know back during the campaign, that the Republicans only chance of survival would be to stymie the entire agenda for the following 4 years, hoping to force the voters back into their arms?
It seems to me that Obama doesn’t know how he wants to be seen. He just doesn’t know what to do beyond what Blue Dog Rahm tells him he should do. And, of course, Rahm wants exactly what the Repubs want despite the fact that he calls himself a “Democrat”. Why do you think Rahm called the Dems “F#@*ING Rs” when the liberal Dems were putting pressure on the Blue Dogs? Obama makes a good speech, but he can’t seem to make a single executive decision without his right-wing mentors. When one looks at everything he “allowed to happen” this past year, it cannot be said that he really wanted change, healthcare, or now, jobs for the people. He got what he wanted: secret deals with PhRMA and the insurance industry; a healthcare bill that he is now admitting might be killed in congress; all our money to Wall Street and the banks; escalation in Afghanistan; a warm and fuzzy relationship with Netanyahu; growing hostilities toward Iran; Dems falling like flies in Blue states like Massachusetts; and the repulsive republicans like McConnell, Shelby, Cantor, Bachmann, et al, who made us all sick throughout the Bush administration stepping up to the microphones and grinning because they are looking at 2010 and patting themselves on the back for their good work on behalf of the American people (translation: Wall Street). It is impossible for this former Obama supporter and voter to think he wanted anything other than he has gotten. His words these last 3 years were nothing but hot air. He’s a wimp who, like Bush, Jr., just loves the in that Oval Office and looking important when, in fact, we all made the mistake of putting our money on the wrong horse–he has turned out to be a last place jackass.
The most credible explanation I have heard can be found here.
On that happy note I bid you all adieu.
Actually, I find that an intriguing question. Historians on the thread, any opinion?
Makes you feel like you’re living in Idiotacracy. (Sorry for the spelling)
yeah, it is time to be clear eyed about this. Hopes that somehow Obama is going to turn it around, change course, or finally “get it” or that Congress will step up in the leadership vacuum he’s left are growing fuzzier. The Director of HCAN has drifted into a dream world where he thinks losing the public option now (he threw in the towel and says the votes aren’t there in the Senate) will somehow mean that it will be more likely in the future. As Jane Hamsher has said for about 9 months now, the public option got killed early on and it was just a matter of who would break the news to grandma. Obama’s moving so far away from that bad news he should fill out a change of address card.
I would take the depression in ’11 if it meant a real revolution afterward. It would take a better educated public, better leaders, and better media for that to happen. If things get really bad here we’re not likely to see someone like Grayson or Sanders as CinC, we will get Glen Beck.
that’s a great one.
nite rat
I think team Obama has fucked up politically, but not because they’re negligent. I think they’ve been busy governing and haven’t spent the energy needed politically.
They have more to worry about than Miss McConnell’s hissyfits. There are actual problems to deal with, and they have done a darn good job on many fronts.
The political arm needs to get back to business NOW.
Pinkerton would’ve salivated all over himself to have had an operation like Prince oversees…! 8-(
The problem is time divided by political capital. You can only spend them once, if they are badly spent they become less valuable, and you conversely embolden your opponents who can rightly go to the electorate and say you are incompetent. Because you are.
Who, for instance, in their wildest notions thought an individual mandate and no PO could arise out of a Democratic Congress and a Democratic Executive? Who believed that Democrats would so-gift the Republican party?
Yet, the Repugs can’t even accept that gift horse…! Bwhahaha…! ;-)
The local Democrats sent out an e-mail yesterday, asking me to sign a petition demanding that Congress pass a health care bill. Let’s just say the the video that came along with it wasn’t one I found reassuring. I wrote back, saying I couldn’t, because it works against my interests and just about anyone else’s who either has or needs insurance.
They wrote back, saying that if they don’t pass something it will be another decade before anyone tries again. I am really hoping that the local Democrats can understand how much trouble they’re in thanks to the DC crowd, but I really wonder.
I don’t know about your local Democrats, but my locals are a disheartened bunch. They also have a terrible hand, and they have to play it.
I would be proud to get a letter from them saying, “We are stupid and rudderless, and we think a primary challenge in ’12 is required.”
True, but it hasn’t happened yet…maybe the dems will **fix it**!
I think Rahm gave Obama a powerpoint presentation early on in the Presidency. Rahm faulted AHIP and liberal organizations for torpedoing the Clinton health care plan, and showed Obama how to capture both organizations for their benefit. Give AHIP 30 million new customers, a mandate requiring Americans to buy their shitty product and fat government checks for those who could not afford their insurance. Hold a government insurance program over their head to insure AHIP would not contribute, or even meet with republicans, and they would not fight reforms but would funnel millions of dollars into campaign warchests of weak Rahm-backed corporate democrats.
For the liberal organizations, Rahm set a nice place at the table. If they so much as shifted in their chairs, Rahm would bust open his impressive rolodex and demand their biggest donors cut them off, starve and freeze them out.
So he held a knife to the throat of one party and offered sackcloth and ashes to the other.
But as ye sow, so shall ye reap. Alas, the people were forgotten and now they painfully have no plan B.
One would imagine Obama is giving Rahmblowit some pretty heady stares of late.
It’s okay, Mr. President, Rahm is a good soldier, let him fall on his sword.
Oh, and fuck Ed Schulz.
They secretly love this plan above all others, short of no plan at all.
They’ve been busy trying to make nice with the opposition party, and haven’t gotten off their butts long enough to try governing.
Go read EW’s post on Rahm. He’s playing pattycake with Lindsey Graham, it seems.
Since I don’t belong to the party, all I see is what they’re willing to say publicly. Whether that’s what they are really thinking is another matter, of course. I’m hoping that they’ll start telling the DC folks how miserable things are getting out here for Democrats thanks to their antics, and maybe they’d like to shape up. Don’t know how much good it will do. I followed up today by telling them that they’re headed for disaster in November, and gave them links to that DFA poll from the Brown-Coakley race, among other things.
They have a few months to wake up and do something useful, provided they want to. That’s the real problem, I think. Not enough Democrats want to fix things. If they did, some things would be on their way to being fixed by now.
Yeah, and that’s been kinda the ‘End Of Story’ tag since, hasn’t it?
I don’t know WHY anyone thinks it’s worth posting about Obama and the present Congress having any option left to bring us progs to the fold, when what it would take is further out of our orbit than Pluto, which ain’t a planet, no mo.
Mr. Levine, love your work but please?
When will you and FDL accept that Obama is a corporatist? Thru and thru?
And The House is, and the Senate is? Too?
When will you begin to address the fact that it will take much more than the same tired insightful exposes of it all to REALLY begin to address how badly the progressive agenda is fucked?
And when will you begin to address what it might take to CHANGE this status quo, given working within the system is failing us, badly?
We lost healthcare reform, we’ve lost banking and finan reform, EFCA, TARP, FISA, and we are gonna lose much more.
When will you address these losses, Mr. Levine, with a plan to CHANGE our losses?
Because, without some REAL change, fast, the system will collapse, and voting for House Progs facing ’10 hassles will be a moot point, and a useless one.
We need some hard, quick and heavy leverage somehow, against the mountain we are climbing.
I don’t buy the political meme it takes time . . we have no time Mr. Levine . .
We are sinking, and so is the economy, jobs, and our housing, healthcare, and our future.
We the people, we need FAST influence and leverage to force change upon the system.
We can’t LIVE long enough to see incremental political change . . (that won’t ever come due TO the status quo).
We need change, NOW.
Where’s your plan to leverage, influence, and FORCE immediate change?
The meme of it takes time, has run out, Mr. Levine.
That’s my call . . . I got a dollar sez I’m right.
And that without pressure NOW, we all will lose as the system collapses.
You? Got A Buck?
Truly. No question the political arm could be so stupid. Especially after that incredible campaign. They took so much for granted…
Because by any objective standard (polling), they already know what they have to do to avoid disaster. It’s not so much that courting Progressives in and of itself is the aim. Rather, polling on Progressive policy goals are telling them that they CAN survive because the country is for them.
When both parties are proponents and beneficiaries of corporate purchase, I’d think ANY Pup or Progressive minded soul would understand this is a class war and we are up against the wall, mofo.
Alas, Hugh, as much as I concur with most ALL of what you say, others don’t get it.
Haggling about what Obama should or shouldn’t do, haggling about what Dem’s should or shouldn’t do, what the Senate or House might do or won’t do . . . is pure bullshit.
For progs, and the masses, it’s time to stand up and act out.
Or we all hang.
HP Lovecraft appreciates your support.
The band AND the author.
Way too radical, many won’t go up against brothers and sisters.
And it’s still not proven XE is the fail safe for martial law . . . despite the evidence.
But there IS a mounting case for civil disturbances to occur, on all sides of the political spectrum.
And until that moment comes, we can only speculate on the use of major audio wave/laser wave machines that heat up bodies till they explode.
I don’t think the PTB have it goin on for themselves if the masses mobilize and move, in a civil and peaceful didobedient way, city to city, across the nation.
I don’t think there’s enough LAW for the Status Quo, to punish the masses, if they move by the millions, city by city.
I DO believe, if shit hits the fan economically (close as Hugh says), we WILL see civil disgruntlement like we’ve never seen it before.
The rest? To be determined.
It’s really easy to link here at FDL. Praise all techs!
Just highlight the link way up top (http……), and Copy.
Come back to FDL, write your comment, and highlight the word(s) in your comment that you want to replace with a link.
Click on the chain *link* you see at the top of this box, and click on “Submit Comment”.
That’s a nice hook, but I maintain we don’t know how it will all work out yet . . .
And I’m a FIRM believer that the past indicated our present and our future . . .
;-)
That’s a bingo.
Doom and gloom, we have NO idea what a system collapse will do, nor who it will beat down or motivate.
Till then, pure speculation and fear.
I’d prefer to hope that a total system collapse will yield some positive change.
But I’m an old hippie. Despite my OWN doom and gloom proclivity’s.
Loohoo, yer a regular, since I’ve ever been in here.
How can you POSSIBLY, even think that Obama and his admin, and all the politicians, aren’t bought and paid for to sustain the status quo?
Because until you accept that, yer dueling faux windmills of the mind and dancing to the tune of fabricated reality’s crafted BY the corporate feudalists!
And you’ve been here for how long, and been a Pup, for how long?
And you STILL believe there’s a chance that Obama, or the Dem’s can or WANT to lead us out of this misery?
I don’t believe any of that. It’s a class war, you, and I, and the general masses are being hosed.
Tell me, as savvy as you are, you actually GET that?
Tell me?
Bingo! You win the internets for today.
AND the kewpie doll, the bottle of scotch just found today at the North Pole from 1900′s, and anything else you might want . .
Good one! *G*
Oh for dawg’s sake, they are one in the same, both bought and paid for by corporate feudalist interests.
Bought and paid for, to enact legislation to benefit the corporate structure.
Nothing else matters.
All of the pols are bought and paid for, for the same causes.
Until that’s a given among so called progressives, we will continue to lose, fail and die.
The damned mountain I use as an analogy is steeper than I ever thought, even my OWN climbing party refuses to accept the terrain we face.
Sigh.
Aghhh . . . ok, sorta . . but too slow, not immediate, not really effective to enforce REAL change.
Thanks but . . . don’t make MY present life better, nor give me hope in the 20 years or so me and mine might have left.
I want it NOW!
If and when the Democratic Party looks towards November and realizes that they are screwed, they may – I say may – readjust course and attempt to regain the upper hand.
If they do, they will swerve into the polling that instructs them that, for instance, the Public Option, despite what happened last August, remains very popular, and embrace it.
If they don’t, they will drive off the electoral cliff.
But in either case, it’s hard to imagine the reshaping of the entire electoral structure that you envision happening any sooner.
That John Nichols from the Ed show is a real comedian!
He thinks the Democrats have the ability to function?
HA!
A couple of days ago I saw a car with an Obama bumper sticker, plus one that said
Buyer’s remorse, I guess. [Where can I get one?]
He’s been in the bathroom rolling up his sleeves for a year now. Fired up, man? Ready to go? Well?
That was 17 fucking years ago.
The Democrats themselves are the source of this self-defeating meme, I guess thinking it’s an effective way to “rally the troops.”
I hate it when i get phone calls from these “local Democrats” reading from a script that Rahm wrote. I just take a deep breath, interrupt their script, and give them a snootful.
Sounds like you did a great job; they even called you back.
If Obama had openly advocated for a single payer Medicare type health care reform plan at the outset, it would be the law of the land by now.
Obama is a disaster. I’m sure he has destroyed the Democratic Party.
It’s truly amazing to watch Democrats fall on their swords–knowing they are going to take a beating in November and yet keeping the ship sailing straight toward the iceburg.
This can only mean that they A.)Know it’s over and have to pay their debt to their corporate masters. They’ll have a decent gig lined up when they get tossed from office. B.)There is no B.
I totally agree with you. I was a Clinton supporter because as she stated everyone knew everything there was to know about her and I guarantee whether you liked her or not she would know how to deal with the repubs and they would not be knocking democrats off one by one. This guy Obama is giving democrats a bad name.
This diary is commical. The topic is Obama’s lack of leadership on HCR.
He has no leadership experience, has never lead or managed any type of organization. Even during the campaign when asked, his answer was “he was the CEO of his campaign organization” that was it on leadership experience. His long record of “Present” votes in the legislature (state and national) further validates the lack of executive/leadership skills. The job of POTUS is not designed for a laissez-faire skill set.
As for all the GOP bashing and using that as an excuse for lack of progress, it is disingenuous. A massive majority in the House. 60 seats in the Senate. What else you need? Seriously. The $787B Porkulus bill didn’t need a single GOP vote. Neither did HCR.
Bottom line, Obama has handed off every single item in his agenda to Pelosi and Reid and has failed to be a leader. Why? Because he doesn’t know how.
I’m getting a sick feeling that Obama’s presidency is an historic piece of post-modern performance art. He parachutes in, achieves a checklist of accomplishments for his corporate patrons, and slips out after one term. He then goes on the historical record as blaming his ineffectuality on obstuctionism gone rampant in the early 21st c. “He was the victim of a bellegerent zeitgeist”, the pundits will wail.
Then, he’ll move on to collect his corporate rewards, as Bill Clinton did. And this will become the new model for subsequent presidents. The presidency reduced to a top corporate executive position, with bonuses paid after the four year contract is completed.
That was indeed the plan – give the big healthcare industries what they wanted and con the people into thinking a shit sandwich tastes good. But the GOPers fooled Rahm by preferring obstructionism to bribery, so he couldn’t get the votes of any GOP Senators and the liberals int the House balked.
My guess is that the WH strategy is to do nothing for as long as possible and then tell House progressives that it’s the shit sandwich or nothing and pressuring them to pass the Senate bill without modification. And if the votes aren’t there in the House, Obama will use it to pull a “sista soldier” Bill Clinton move to the “center” in hopes of getting more “independents” to move back into the Dem column.
But that won’t work for one simple reason – people now believe that Obama does not support the common person or the middle class. And they are right because Obama really was just another corporate whore from the beginning. On almost every single issue, Obama has taken either a Bush-lite GOP stance or a “centrist” Blue Dog-New Dem position. Absolutely nothing he has done since taking office could be called progressive.
That’s kind of the way I see it too. Unfortunately, Obama will be a one term pres, and that’s sad. It will be a long time before another black man is elected because of the mistakes that this team has made.
What’s even worse is they won’t have a clue as to what happened.
I believe Obama and Rahm intended all along to destroy the Democratic Party and they are on the verge of accomplishing their goal.
Unfortunately for them, but fortunately for us, they left too many fingerprints at the crime scene.
The Democratic Party is dead and now we need to decide where to go from here.
I favor forming a third party out of what remains of progressive democrats and independents, libertarians, greens, and others who oppose the corporate oligarchy, constant warfare, the war machine, torture, the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity, Christian right-wing fanatics, and the Republicans.
We need to restore Maat by investigating and prosecuting everyone in the Bush and Obama administrations who ordered, approved, committed, and covered-up war crimes and crimes against humanity. Bush, Cheney, and Obama must be held accountable and brought to justice or there can be no peace in this land.
I volunteer to write the platform for this new party. I’m a law professor and former criminal defense lawyer with 30 years experience in federal and state courts. I know we have other lawyers here. Bmaz and Mary, for example. How about Christy to the extent her health permits?
Let’s kick some ass for a change.
I’m going to do it anyway with or without help because I’m sick of all this shit and I’m not going to take it anymore. I fear nothing.
As the sage, Hillel said,
If I am not for myself, who will be for me?
But if I am only for myself, who am I?
If not now, when?
I am so much more than a pissed-off lawyer and law professor, but this is my contact information and you can call me Mason or Fred:
Frederick Leatherman
750 Fairview Drive
Paducah, KY 42001
(270) 556-8652
Frederick.Leatherman@yahoo.com