
Medieval Flagellants
At the Republican caucus retreat, President Obama showed us the potential of a real-world, unscripted partisan showdown before an unblinking camera. Proving the democratic potential, FoxNews blinked and cut away from the event. That’s how important fakery and deceit are to its mission, and to the success the Right.
It takes more than a willingness to lie to convince Americans that health care reform is a communist plot or that Obama is an illegal alien. It takes contemporary political media more welcoming of artifice than truth. And, it takes money.
That brings us to the U.S. Supreme Court’s Citizens United v. FEC decision. (The term “Supreme Court” has always given me pause, since too often the adjective “supreme” is taken to modify its wisdom and judgment rather than its standing among the many courts.) In this case, the Court, ignoring precedent, common sense and the law, said corporations can spend unlimited amounts to influence American election outcomes. The decision, Frank Rich writes today, gives “corporate interests an even greater stranglehold over a government they already regard as a partially owned onshore subsidiary.”
No one disputes that right wing spending over the last 40 years has warped our political opinion environment. Their think tanks, television networks, publishers, hate-radio hosts and front groups dominate the message environment. But our reaction too often reminds me of Medieval Europeans’ reaction to the Plague. To find a place for the Black Death in their worldview, only God could be responsible. He must be mad at them. Out of such nonsense were the Flagellants born, a 14th Century group that marched around barefoot whipping themselves with scourges in hopes of warding off Death.
Before we ridicule the Flagellants, however, we ought to check our own duffel of delusions. It’s just as nutty to believe that all forms of communications are equal, that all people are possessed of pure reason, that ideas can and are judged fairly and equally by an informed citizenry who possess free and equal voices and access to information. These beliefs don’t just inhibit discovery of a cure, they help spread today’s plutocratic plague.
In order to believe that our own minds remain supremely rational and unbent by propaganda, we project that belief onto everyone (or almost everyone). It isn’t true of anyone. In order to believe the wealthy have no advantage in the universe of ideas, we believe that all forms of communication are equal. That’s not true, either. This essay can’t compete with $1 billion spent on TV advertising.
Yet, this is precisely what progressive defenders of the Court’s Citizens United opinion mean when they ask us to “trust the free market of ideas,” a phrase Adam Bonin used last week at Kos.
There is no more of a free market of ideas than there is a free market of health insurance. It is dangerous and destructive to believe otherwise.
The person with more money to spend on contemporary communications is almost always going to prevail. It puts the lie to the superstition that equal ideas have been openly discussed and weighed rationally by equally thoughtful citizens.
When money equals speech, the person with more money has more speech. There’s nothing free or equal about it. Give me a proposal with some cash behind it and I’ll bury the impecunious idea nearly every time. There are rule-proving exceptions, of course, but not many.
Let’s look again at the Flagellants. We’d think even less of them had they kept at their whips long after some impossible genius discovered the disease’s true bacterial cause and invented an antibiotic to cure it. I fear the analogy might fit our own behavior, except in our case it’s not hypothetical. We know the cause of our troubles, but we can’t admit it because it doesn’t fit our mythology that good and true ideas prevail because Reason ultimately demands it and because all forms of communication are equal.
While leaders have always lied, and new ways of lying were always looked for, the Framers didn’t contemplate and couldn’t have contemplated political speech in the context of today’s dizzying and costly media world. We have to adjust to our real circumstances.
The Court ruled as it did to advance plutocracy. The Court’s majority knew exactly what it was doing. You could see it in Justice Samuel Alito’s smugness at the State of the Union speech. Some, like Glenn Greenwald, say we are not to base Constitutional interpretations on outcomes. But, if we seek to avoid an unconstitutional and undemocratic outcome – the very outcome sought by the court – how in the world do we refrain? We at least must negate an outcome.
The Court was wrong for many reasons. Corporations aren’t persons. Money and speech are not equivalent. The federal government can regulate the speech and actions of entities it creates or grants benefit to.
We’ll get back on the road to democracy when we put down the flagellants’ whips and make decisions based on reality. We need full public finance of campaigns to equalize the playing field. We need mandated public affairs programming in which political opponents engage one another just as Obama engaged Congressional Republicans. We need a Constitutional Amendment stating that corporations are not persons.
There is good news in the Court’s action. Most Americans see that it threatens democracy. Many see that it’s actually meant to do exactly that. There is opportunity here. Real opportunity. There is also great danger. If we fail to act, progressive outcomes we think possible today will be impossible tomorrow.




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They want to turn America into Europe 1913.
And they are succeeding.
Yes… A constitutional amendment specifying that the Bill of Rights applies exclusively to individual human beings, and specifically excluding corporations and other collectives.
We’re about due (or overdue) to convene Statewide Constitutional Conventions. It should be done periodically as a matter of best practice.
The plutocrats have for years looked with envy on “democratic” aristocratic regimes, where wealth was sucked upwards, the people grew ever more impoverished, and order could be enforced in the name of peace and security. If they could do it there, why not here? And that’s where they’re headed.
America: corporate at home and imperialistic abroad. Our American military (and for the last sixty years, the CIA) has been terrorizing people of the third world for the last one hundred and twelve years, since 1898. Go read Howard Zinn’s books on American imperialism.
I fixed that typo!
I like the idea. I wish we could have “Cognitive Conventions” too! This might help people see they can’t successfully apply yesterday’s philosophy and science to today’s problems! I refer to the superstitions that reason will win out in the end, as all ideas can be judged purely on the merits by reasoning people in an unfettered marketplace of ideas.
Made me smile. What’s 600 years give or take….Thanks!
Only if we let them. For starters, we — each of us — can do our part to ensure that the the SOTU and the Baltimore “exchange of ideas” go viral. Along with that, Glenn’s essay here. Reaching the observers in the cheap seats is humongous, and we need to access the cost-effective venues available to us because . . . well, because we can. We. Are. Not. Helpless.
that’s a very interesting construct i haven’t seen anywhere else.
for me it draws the neoliberal parallels between the two — the unwarranted and false mythology regarding “free markets.”
but i still have a problem with it because so often my pov is not permitted to be part of legitimate debate. for example how democrats treated single payer advocates the past couple of years. too often would not debate, would not even discuss. it got so bad that among dems, elizabeth warren’s — loved and respected by dems — coauthors were treated as non-persons because they were and are single payer advocates.
is there a way for me to integrate your ideas with jay rosen’s (sphere of legitimate debate) and chomsky and herman (manufacturing consent)? or do you see the ideas as fundamentally opposed?
Important and true, Barbara. We have come far in the last decade, with a little help from citizen-empowering media. But so much farther to go. Still, it is certainly achievable. I have been pleasantly surprised at the breadth of the disagreement with the Court. People are waking up to the true sources of their powerlessness. But, they’ll go back to sleep if we don’t turn on the lights and rattle the pans.
fine essay. thanks very much.
http://www.ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html
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The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves.
In its six-page written decision, the Court of Appeals held that the Federal Communications Commission position against news distortion is only a “policy,” not a promulgated law, rule, or regulation. Fox aired a report after the ruling saying it was “totally vindicated” by the verdict.
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I’m all for corporations to be citizenified…as long as we can prosecute them, lock them up in horrible prisons if found guilty, and execute them for serial or mass murder.
And how much will corporations spend to kill any amendment that takes away their privileges? Whatever it takes.
Thanks Glenn,
Maybe I should have used the year 1214 – that is, just before Magna Carta.
Corporate power in our day is as capricious, pernicious and unrestrained as English royal power in 1214. Getting it under control is going to require a modern-day Magna Carta.
You’re talking about the SOTU where Obama proposes domestic spending cutbacks? You want that to go viral? I’d rather see the plague come back.
Wow, you ask big and important questions. As you know, I share your dismay that discussion of single payer was eliminated from the beginning — all the way back to the early presidential campaigns. That, of course, left them without a means of tackling the source of the health care crisis, which is the insurance industry.
But, to your bigger question. I think the ideas are complementary. An essential difficulty is that contemporary mass communications give those in power an ability to construct a virtual reality. Consent can be manufactured easily because our politics is untethered from the real. Maybe we could call it CGI Politics.
Now, the only real way to undermine this is by restoring connections with the real and restoring human connection among the people. The Court’s decision does present us with a day-glo symbolic enemy, one that can and is opening some minds to what we’ve been saying all along about the true source of people’s powerlessness.
Any argument made within the virtuality of CGI Politics will be more or less ineffective, because it reinforces the virtual. We have to get down in the bloody loam, as a poet once said. This was the magic of MoveOn, of Howard Dean etc. But we need caution. There’s always the temptation to jump back into the virtual Thunderdome, thinking we have the strength to win there. It’s the destruction of the Thunderdome that’s required.
Thanks, mafre.
They’ll spend a good amount. So it’s a daunting project, but the people have beaten longer odds in the past.
Gibbs is getting way beyond his pay grade….most WH folks go down that road because power is intoxicating after all….Gibbs was a ok student at NCSU..he shouldn’t now think he is a major cog in the great wheel of power just because he is stupidly mouthing words fed him by those smarter than he. Shut up Mr Gibbs before you fall into the abyss.
The correct way to rectify this atrocious decision is to pass a constitutional amendment that declares that corporations are not people and can be regulated entirely by our government. Unfortunately, the odds of that happening are low because Republicans are cheering this decision in anticipation of unlimited corporate sponsorship and so we aren’t going to get the required 2/3 majority in congress to pass an amendment. Instead, my guess is that Democrats are going to pretend to oppose the ruling by proposing various bits of useless legislation that will be struck down as “unconstitutional” by this radical court, if they ever even succeed in passing anything (odds are low).
While they are pretending to oppose this decision, Democrats are hoping for a Supreme Court vacancy among the five corporate stooge majority (again, odds are low) so that the decision might eventually be reversed with a 5-4 decision going the other way. The end result- an even more completely politicized Supreme Court and all in all, very bad news for our democracy.
It’s one plutocratic movement — from elimination of the Fairness Doctrine to the elimination of the ban on corporate contributions.
Excellent analysis…
A Democratic President who would dare to chastise and assail the New First Triumvirate or their Patricians. How dare anyone be less than humble and prostrate!
We should begin minting McConnell, Boehner and Murdoch coins.
Of course the obverse of the coin would be the Lord G*D almighty of whom they are the standard bearer.
There are early indications of a significant split among Republicans’ base, however happy GOP officeholders might be at the prospect of an unlimited income stream.
However, since Democrats have a history of passing insignicant reforms in a kind of fruitless incrementalism (and a good number of campaign reform groups on our side share the blame) your warning is well-taken.
The New First Triumverate has no clothes.
One of the ways to fix this decision immediately is to create a national incorporation law that supersedes all of the state incorporation laws and actually requires something of corporations in exchange for their grant of the privilege of limited liability. At a minimum, that includes corporate nonparticipation directly or indirectly in influencing government actions. That would leave us with the individual plutocrats to deal with. Seeing as how it would be a contract in exchange for a grant of privilege, it should be Constitutional.
A second fix would be to eliminate the allocation of the electromagnetic spectrum for broadcasting, seeing how a grant of monopoly of a set of frequencies does not contract news organizations to tell the truth. Cable networks would be beyond the reach of this action. So the next requirement is to legislate a market in cable that provide content neutrality. Local cable providers cannot exclude content or advantage content by paying for it.
Should call people’s attention to this rec’ed diary at Kos, which discusses Rahm Emanuel’s rejection of Lakoff. It’s true that Rahm took the trouble of wasting an entire chapter of his book attacking Lakoff. He called it a matter of substance versus spin. But the truth is, Lakoff is fundamentally talking about the translation of authentic progressive values into policy. Rahm, a neo-liberal’s neo-liberal, can’t abide that. It’s part of the Rahm strategy to reinforce the rationalist myths discussed above.
Rahm Is Telling Obama to Ignore Lakoff.
Interesting and powerful idea that ought to be pursued.
Glen W. Smith, invent a money machine and we will all become progressives and left wing liberals like you. Who pays for all of your lefty off the wall programs?
thanks. have to think on this some.
(btw, really despise moveon — top down decision making, support for war supplemental in 2007, hcan in 2008, etc).
Leaving aside policy disagreements for the moment, MoveOn had the right idea about and did an extraordinary job empowering individuals. Proprietors of the Thunderdome, however, love to fool folks into thinking their voices might matter there. So, the error, if there is one, is moving prematurely into the virtual Dome, which is bound (structurally) to be compromising.
A generation or two ago — ouch — Herbert Marcuse addressed this issue in A Critique of Pure Tolerance. Here are couple of key quotes. The question is how to respond to inequality in the ideas market, and his answer was first of all, be explicit about the situation (don’t pay lip service to free speech, if one can put it that way) and second, use the power you have, such as boycotting corporate speech (Naomi Klein’s book No Logo comes to mind). The Frankfurt theorists were ALL about avoiding the twin evils of Nazism and Stalinism, and it does feel like we are living through another Weimar moment.
pp. 84-85:
[T]he conditions of tolerance are “loaded”: they are determined and defined by institutionalized inequality. …In such a society, tolerance is de facto limited… by the predominant interests and their “connections”.
pp. 100-01:
[T]he ways should not be blocked on which a subversive majority could develop, and if they are blocked by organized repression and indoctrination, their reopening may require apparently undemocratic means. They would include the withdrawal of toleration of speech and assembly from groups and movements which promote aggressive policies, armament, chauvinism, discrimination… [T]his distinction is not a matter of value-preference but of rational criteria.
Move-On has been a huge success in reaching people and getting money. When they can ask for signatures on a petition and get 400,000, that’s worth noticing.
You can disagree with their policies but you can’t argue with their success. Their outreach is huge.
I disagree that “apparently undemocratic means” may be required. Czech dissident’s Charter 77 asked the despotic authorities to live up to their own convictions, the Human Rights Declaration. So, we seek to radically advance “democratic means,” rather than abandon them. This requires looking to consequences, for instance, that anti-free speech outcomes are hidden beneath apparent allegiance to the principles of the First Amendment.
Oh, I totally agree. I am speaking more to future dangers. And, it would probably be wise for me to say I’m really talking about the dangers I’m tempted by, rather than point to future dangers faced by MoveOn.
I thought you would disagree, that’s why I threw Marcuse onto the table. Of course, according to the right wing, even a labor union is a violation of the democratic rights of the individual worker. So I think the democratic option cannot be decided strictly on formal grounds.
It’s fairly clear that we are never going to have the money that the corporations throw around to buy Congress and buy the Supremes, so all we have is the truth. We haven’t yet found a way to get that truth to citizens as we would like but something worked for Howard Dean and his 50 state plan. We need to find out exactly what he did. There are many good ideas out there and we should start trying them.
Now, I agree with that:
It’s why I challenge Greenwald and others about consequence-free constitutional judgments. Strip the flesh-and-blood from our political deliberations and leave it to formal logic, and flesh-and-blood becomes, well, expendable.
here’s the thing – for me at least. emotional reasoning can come across as spin when it isn’t complemented by the rational. that is why i think i had such trouble with lakoff (and previously, you) regarding obama. because of the lack of focus on progressive values and policy and instead on what i saw as selling the obama brand (empathy, etc). that was like fingernails on a blackboard to me.
the weird thing is though, when you (and/or lakoff) write about values and policy — it works for me in a very powerful way (so long as i can see the connection between the values and the policy). but values and personalities? no way — probably affects me just as strongly, but in a negative way. is that just an outlier response or is there any cognitive research on differences in responses to connecting values and policy vs values and personalities? or am i missing something fundamental because i don’t understand enough of what you are saying (or maybe misunderstand)?
p.s. read the dailykos diary you linked to and i don’t think rahm is the only problem. it’s also the policies themselves. trying to connect obama’s policies honestly to the values they represent would be, imo, a disaster for obama (but maybe good for the country).
Thanks Glenn. Nother good piece. Witnessing the childish behavior, world view and a blueprint for governance that amounts to nothing more than anthemic slogans emitted from the Republican leadership in that room, we are treated to the medieval thinking that creates policy and guides this land. Progressive bloggers would like to have Obama debate the “grownups” on the “real issues”, and I would too, but: the reality of the people in that room reminds me again that we are a long way from that. I think Obama realizes his historical position as a transition president, and the impossibility to be a messiah of change at this point in time, much as we’d like to see more and faster. The guy is up against a medieval shit-pile that is 40 years thick and 40 years high. Deeper and higher than that, even. If a Kucinich, by some magic, had been elected in the current social/political climate, the Right would be aiming rather than mostly shooting their guns in the air. Hate to say it but I think it’s going to take years of education as well as progressives hitting the streets like the people in France, and like we did in the 60′s. It is going to take a lot of work to undo this shit. Keep writing.
i felt disempowered by the push poll preceding whipping progressive to vote for the war supplemental. if the poll had been fair and my pov had lost, i wouldn’t have reacted the way i did (i withdrew my membership and said why). when moveon joined with hcan, there was no poll. considering that the majority of moveon’s membership would almost certainly have preferred to support hr 676, this was for me another example of disempowering the membership.
putting aside the policy, process matters too and if decisions are taken at the top — either against the grass roots or dishonestly — i’m going to be in opposition.
The Third Marines and The Great White Fleet
by that standard pat robinson is a success. karl rove’s direct mail campaign was a success.
You aren’t missing anything. One of the strategies of the attack on Lakoff was to enhance his celebrity profile, making it two-dimensional (as is all celebrity). The substance is lost, and short-hand, superficial attacks become viable. Resisting personality politics is key.
There is a valuable and constructive critique possible. Frames have to be understandable within existing narratives. This doesn’t mean compromising on policies, which is a mistake Obama made. It means telling the story correctly without losing the policies that flow naturally from one’s values.
The celebrity attack worked on Dean as well. It’s why the Right got after Dean, Lakoff and Obama movements as “cults of personality.” The very same strategic logic lies behind China’s attack on the Dalai Lama.
You have absolutely the right idea. We must remain focused on the value and the policies, and advance them with viable narratives that resonate.
trying to get back on topic….
completely agree. i think it’s tempting to try to compartmentalize our values because it doesn’t require so much wrestling with our conscience. but imo, it’s a cop out. it all matters (formal logic, flesh-and-blood outcomes that we really can’t know, etc).
a few years ago, the World Bank, or IMF, (forget which) delivered it’s assessment of the state of Canada to the Canadian govt.
It concluded that we needed a “structural adjustment program” along the lines of the ones foisted on African nations etc.
No doubt there were people here who thought this was a fine idea, but the unasked for “recommendations” just fell on the floor and disappeared. Thank goodness.
But I believe, just as you said, why can’t the misery inflicted in, for instance Mexico, be applied here?
I think that is what is happening in the USA. An exercise in seeing how far they can push it. and despite all the ruckus, many Americans are very placid.
There is a difference. Direct mail is directed at a passive audience. Now, direct mail fundraising does elicit an active response — contributions. Does MoveOn listen to its members and act on what they learn? I believe this is part of their mission, but it can only be judged day to day, year to year. I sincerely believe they strive to do that, including an ongoing self critique.
You are sure on point. It does all matter, and it takes effort to absorb and act in a fully integrated, holistic way.
hope you are right. will try to look for changes that reflect that.
The corporate oligarchs are winning. Dem and rethugs are now just 2 sides of the same coin. Each as corrupt as the other. What used to be hidden is now out in the open because the MSM is on their side and will produce propaganda as needed for the sheeple to ingest. There must always be an other, an enemy somewhere to focus the sheeple, so that civil liberties can be taken away with the approval of the sheep. Its very sad but this is something that could have been stopped years ago, but wasn’t due to the apathy of the american public who simply could not be bothered to vote. I believe that the republic is rotten at its core. Manipulated by almost everyone who has the political will to do so. It used to be that election day in small town america was something good. People actually put on their sunday best to go and vote, people took off work and politics(local, state and national) were a subject that was discussed-at least in the Masons meetings and my fathers Union Hall. What happened? The middle class has enjoyed a very short run, from the early 50s to the early 90s. Manufacturing jobs were what the US education system was geared towards. But the jobs and the factories disappeared and the education system failed to change. All I can do is shake my head and encourage my kids to emigrate somehwere that they can work and get paid what they are worth. Singapore anyone? Australia? South Korea?(and as all my kids hold dual citizenship Korea/US, they can get jobs there without any problems) Japan? Canada? Any or all would be better. Meanwhile, here we sit, a mostly ignorant group of sheeple with the biggest military in the world. No wonder the rest of the world is afraid. The neocon dreams are not dead, they are gaining traction in congress, even among the spineless dems who are afraid of their own shadow and so agree with the rethugs that now Iran is our enemy. You think that the 12 election will not have idiots like palin ranting about Iran? The short attention span sheeple will have totally forgotten Iraq and the debacle there. If the rethugs win then want to cut taxes and start another war there is only 1 country that could bring them to a total halt. China. Because they own our debt and just might wind up owning the entire country. Yes, color me morbid and cynical but I do not see Obama doing much of anything because the rethugs will not allow anything to be done and the dems in the senate will stand around with their heads up their asses while everything falls apart.
Me too. And, I didn’t mean to divert attention from main topic here…
I’m concerned here with what you and I will do, not what Obama will do.
Glenn nice Sunday morning (PST) post! You always write about such important and interesting subjects. I love the back and forth of all the commentators and their ideas.
My feeling is that we must remove this so called “Personhood” that Corporations enjoy because some Court Reporter(who worked for the Rail Road Barons in the 1880′s)blessed them with it. I have a hard time finding in the Constitution where Corps. are even mentioned let alone made and entity with RIGHTS!! Not being a Lawyer I wonder if this is Settled Law How could the SCOTUS turn over “Other” Settled Law?? Does this open the Door to changing Other “Settled” Law???
This granting of Personhood should have taken a higher power… Like A Constititional amendment..
True, but it’s obvious that we (the left) need money in order to get the facts out. Again, I am talking about the methods and not the beliefs behind them. If we could contact as many people as they do, we would be in great shape. I didn’t say that Robertson and Rove are a successes, I said their methods are.
hey nahant!
He’s my Sunday Pastor
Agree with you, top to bottom. And thanks for the kind words. Corporate personhood evolved from a note in a Court opinion from the late 19th Century. It’s a complete anti-constitutional fabrication. And we need to clarify that with a new amendment.
ok, now that you’ve convinced me (big time skeptic here, so i know that wasn’t easy – i think it’s taken about a year?). what do you suggest i read of lakoff’s or yours or similar to get the best overall understanding of the ideas (vs personalities or superficial treatment)? book length ok (which is a big deal, considering the size of my “to read” pile). i really really liked your paper on the logic of the healthcare debate and how neoliberal thinking fit in. more please.
400,000 in a country of 300 million is worth…what exactly? Nothing can be done with such small numbers, which are simply ignored in congress. A great many congresspersons will not accept any comments from anyone outside their district or state. And in states with large populations, 400,000 is still a drop in the bucket. Now if you could get that number in one district, then that congresscritter might pay attention, unless of course his money comes from corporations. In which case he could well just ignore the voters assuming that by the time the next election rolls around the sheeple will have forgotten whatever had made their ire rise.
I don’t agree with a distinction you imply, that being emotional cognition is not “rational.” Then you say something I find very important.
In the preceding I take it, correct me if I am wrong, that you are struggling with that. Regardless, in so doing you make a very acute and important observation. The personification of abstractions is a wonderful tool for story tellers and myth makers for it gives the reader/listener an emotional experience. I would never eschew it but it is very primitive, immature way of experiencing things and if used exclusively is not very productive in being able to lead a successful adult life. We and apparently some other mammals and bird have the capacity to access an observing ego that removes the observer from the center of the universe to a position outside giving him/her a perspective that permits understanding of relationships, connections, influence etc of entities and factors on each other. I am not describing this well but one can see how this greatly enhances ability to predict long term and indirect consequences.
People who only are able to interpret information by anthropormorphizing it or on the basis of immediate personal impact are called 4-5yr olds. Those who don’t outgrow it are call narcissists.
i agree. structural adjustment, liberalization, privitization, etc seems to be the neoliberal solution to most (all?) economic problems.
here’s some scary reading from the lancet, jan 2009: mass privatisation and the post-communist mortality crisis: a cross-national analysis
3 million dead.
thank you larry summers et al.
I hear ya Elliott I look forward to Glenn’s Posts on Sunday!!
How are you doing this fine Sunday Elliott??
I’d read Whose Freedom.
Also, there’s a new book by Jeremy Rifkin, The Empathic Civilization.
That word, empathy, shouldn’t be fetishized, and I hope I don’t sound like I do that by my frequent use of the term. It’s a complex topic and when discussed in broad political and cultural terms it can sound like a magic incantation or something.
But the new picture we are getting of just how humans think and feel — very different from the old Enlightenment picture — is critically important.
It is vitally important to keep discussing this decision, to use it to mobilize people, to use it as a vehicle for discussing the corporatization of out politics and the ways that wealth is used to influence the public sphere.
I find it interesting that for many people, a constitutional amendment is seen as the most radical solution – in the literal sense of getting to the root of the problem. It would not. If corporations were declared non-persons with no rights today, it would not fix our politics. The problems we have will be exacerbated by this decision, but they are not caused by it. We have any number of policies that ensure that wealth flows upward. When this is added to the lack of public funding for most offices, and the high costs of media buys (despite public ownership of the airwaves) you get a politics distorted by wealth. That is the problem we need to solve.
As I see it, the solution has three parts – public funding (including free access to the airwaves), shareholder activism (which can prevent corporations from using shareholders money to take political stands they may not agree with) and people powered campaigns that rely on grass roots mobilization and less on big media and large contributions.
One final thought – there will be those, some well meaning, some not, who will try to make this about free speech versus speech regulation. I think this post makes clear that this is a false way to frame the question. Speech is not free merely because it is unregulated. (Nor is it unregulated – if you wish to speak over the airwaves that the government has provided for free to the networks, your speech will be punished.) Ensuring access to many voices is what gives us a vibrant public sphere. By pushing policies that address that concern, we have a better chance of making that clear.
Yes, Thank you Glenn for another superb diary. It is important to continue to put out this good thinking and writing. I am convinced that most humans, whether they are educated or even that mature, understand and remember the truth more efficiently than the spins and lies, they create or are created for them.
It is terribly disturbing to hear the disdain for Lakhoff being preached by Immanuel. What motivates this man?
Chilliin’ :)
and by that I mean FREEZING. Wish I lived in California.
Fine, other than voting and writing LTE that an increasingly minority number of people bother to read and with an increasing majority of people who can’t be bothered with voting and elections, what can you or I do that could actually make a difference? Not make either of us just feel good but can make a difference. Da sheeple are manipulated daily by the MSM. If needed in an election, their opinions can be molded. I have seen this happening over the last several elections. People vote against their own interests and refuse to listen to any argument or fact.Elections are stolen and the majority is not even bothered. I really do not see anything that can be done. Sign petitions? Really? Because of orgs like the NRA do you really believe that they pay attention? Sure there are some politically active people, but the majority just sit and watch shows like american idol, where they will vote. But something that affects their kids future? Can’t be bothered. How many people vote in your local school elections? Here, less than 2%. How about the massive education problem? 30% do not finish HS(nationwide, some schools have less than 30% GRADUATE). The majority who go on to college need remedial classes in order to catch up.So what can you or I do? I do not see anything.
Very well thought out. One thing a movement for a constitutional amendment will do is help us advance the frames to attack the other contributing nightmare policies.
I share your frustration at the free-speech puritans, those who cannot see the many ways in which the right is already abridged.
Yes we have seen disadvantage of relying on specific terms too much. But empathy is still the best word. And it is a, perhaps the most, vital tool for communication and rational problem solving. It is the most positive application for ability to “personify” It must be emphasized that it also involves use of the observing ego to retain wider perspective. It is not just for being able to feel sorry or like someone. It is also for understanding motives, values and actions we abhor.
That is what I was trying do to with my diary on the seduction of the Nazi doctors a while back.
its a nice dream, but the power structure now in place will never allow it.
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point taken. i guess i don’t have the words, or maybe even the ideas, to communicate my changing sense / experience of how i “think.”
maybe (hopefully?) i’ll get some insights on that from glenn’s reading suggestion(s).
With at least some justification for the sentiment if not for the hopelessness, you could have sent this comment to Vaclav Havel and other Czech dissidents anytime before 1989. The advice of Havel, Patocka et al, to live in truth, is powerful and hopeful. The totalitarian regime collapsed. Yes, there were many other factors in the fall. But The Power of the Powerless is real.
Indeed – and my disagreement is not about having an amendment at all. It is about putting too great an emphasis on that one thing, as opposed to what I think you have argued, making it part of a larger movement that includes more proximate goals. It is also about what the goal is – if you give me the choice, I would rather have a constitutional amendment ensuring public funding of elections that one barring corporate spending in elections.
It is a balancing act – Greenwald has underplayed the impact of this decision, yet it is still true that the campaign finance situation was already a mess before this. We need to mobilize around the decision yet solve the problems that existed long before the decision came down.
As for the the many ways in which the right is already abridged it is true, but I was making the additional point that free speech can be abridged in ways that are not direct regulations of speech. All of us tend to focus too much on regulations of speech as opposed to advancing free speech.
I am struggling with the words too. But again I applaud you for homing in on a very critical attribute.
I have some advantage in a lot of background in child development. I can recognize a 2yr old’s mind from a mile away. :-)
thanks! will start with first one.
you’ve got me convinced. hope lakoff’s book gives me some of that picture.
thanks glenn. glad i didn’t miss your diary today.
That capture’s it, exactly.
Ideally, we’ll have public funding and a ban on corporate spending.
LOL! … and yikes! too.
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just before i take my leave, i want to ask / possibly recommend… do you read paul rosenberg’s posts (openleft on the weekends)? he often writes of lakoff and also of cognitive development.
Timr,
Well, one of the suggestions I made involves regular people changing their behavior (i.e. how we get involved in campaigns). The powers that be cannot really stop that.
Another involves people (and institutions) asserting their economic self-interest. Organizations may well balk when money they have invested in a corporation is used by a board to advance the board’s politics, as opposed to making money. Even if it fails, this would be useful for demonstrating that the interests of shareholders and those who control corporations are not the same.
Finally, Clean Election laws have been enacted in some states and localities. This is without the SC decision to highlight the issue. While I have no doubt that there will be significant resistance, I would say history suggests it is not impossible.
Nothing empowers the power structure more than hopelessness. I do not preach optimism or pessimism – only realism.
Thanks! No but I wlll.
Have a good afternoon.
I do. In fact, I used to write for Paul’s weekend OpenLeft discussions, which are quite powerful.
The Dems. love the new Court ruling it gives them a decision they can pt. to and bitch about the way the Gopers have used Roe all these yrs. That doesn’t mean they’ll do anything about it though.
Talking Stick and selise, you two made my day. Thanks a load! I now feel like I’m operating on little except a fairly developed intuitive rational. Damned inletules. Would that raise me to the capacity of an 8 year old? :)
Glenn,
I agree with everything you say with the exception of the Amendment to define corporations as not-people. It did not require an Amendment to start the insanity. It should not take an Amendment to stop it. This is all being done using inverse loophole logic similar to slaves are not people, women are not people, etc. The easiest way to deal with something like this is to tax the ever loving shit out corporations for every dollar they spend on political advertising. You do that and the first time one of these corporations comes up money short in the annual report, shareholder suits will follow as surely night follows the day.
Glenn,
What a depressing post on Rahm and Obama from Kos that is. I am not sure who comes off worse – the politicians or the scholars that caricature Lakoff and his ideas in order to dismiss them.
In order to keep from being deflated, I am going to respond positively. A friend asked me not long ago about Lakoff, as he (the friend) is increasingly involved in working on building a local grass roots political program (in your home state.) I think I will send him my copies of Lakoffs books. The folks at the top may not get it, but the folks on the ground will.
Hi Curly You’re not fooling me. You protest too much. :-)
The answer to your question is yes, there is research on personalities in the what you ask. One of the ways the dems frequently, and progressives too, miss the boat with the electorate is relying on logic and not anchoring the argument in a way which will elicit an emotional response. The emotional response is a much more powerful factor in eliciting agreement than just logic. Presidents Reagan and Clinton were very good in this. I am not saying we abandon logic at all, but we have to recognize that what hooks folk in the best is if there is an emotional connection. Some personalities can do that–Rush Limbaugh does it very well–and others don’t. In the latter is Al Gore.
Morally, tt shouldn’t take an amendment to give women or African-Americans the right to vote, either. I don’t really disagree, I’d like to do it the simplest way possible, though the amendment route gives us message platforms nationally and state by state.
All those critics use him to advance their own professional/political agendas. It’s pretty transparent. Pinker and company have serious cognitive/linguistic disagreements with Lakoff. They’ll work out eventually. The translation of deep progressives values into policy is Rahm’s worst fear.
I think it’s the case where once the court has accepted something like this idea (and they’ve had multiple times to say corporations aren’t “people,”) then the amendment is the only way to make sure the change is enforced all the way down the line.
And as has been mentioned, it is the path that the anti Roe v Wade crowd has been pushing for all along on their pet issue.
The debate btwn BHO and repubs may be regarded unscripted. To me, it seems that both the questions and the answers were preembedded in the brains of the participant.
This means that BHO knew that some questions wldn’t be asked. Obviously, a prez knows his opponnents and their agendas and what they say. There was not going to be many if any surprising questions.
Such as: Why had US and/or democrats bombed hiroshima; why also democrats deny american right to be treated medicly.
A prez knows he’s a godhead when it comes to killing aliens. A prez knows that the top class wld not have two agents to represent them in congress-WH.
A prez knows he cannot ever be impeached no matter what he does as long da boss approves of what he does.
A prez knows he is not US; i.e., that he does not own 98% of america but he knows what people own america and thus rule it.
A prez knows, or ought to know, that the supremes [not dianne's] cannot ever be wrong.
He knows US constitution cannot be ever understood- only intepreted! And he knows, tho, whom constitution allows to intepret it!
But even congress cannot ever be wrong. Every law[ even the one that allowed extirpation of indigenes and slavery] were not wrong. SLavery was legal until 1860s.
In fact, every ‘law’ ever passed anywhere/anywhen had been concocted by THEM and against us, the unwashed.
In fact, until recently we’ve always lived in lawless societies or under a diktat. More cld be said. tnx
dakine01,
The problem with the amendment route, at least if it is not tied to some larger political mobilization, is that will not necessarily do anything. For example, the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments did very little, at least for the people they were supposed to help, for almost 100 years. That is not to say that they did not matter – having those provisions in the Constitution was valuable for mobilization during the Civil Rights Movement and helped legitimate Congressional and Supreme Court efforts to address the problem of second class personhood. But it is not the case that an amendment necessarily does anything.
The other thing to remember is that the Court has reversed itself on many more occasions than the Court has been reversed through amendments. Courts are not immune to political mobilization or pressure.
I never claimed it would be accomplished easily. I remember the ERA and all sorts of other drives.
And again, we can use the anti Roe v Wade crowd as an example of how successful going the route of an amendment is.
It’s a marathon, not a sprint, no matter what the topic may be. But an amendment, no matter how long it may take to get it fully enforced (and that was the hook with the civil rights stuff, enforcing the existing amendments and laws), is the way to make things just that bit more conclusive
We shouldn’t abandon either one. The ability to process information from various perspectives is in my view the basic. When one moves from the center of the universe perspective he/she doesn’t need to leave emotional capacities behind, and vice versa.
Really the classic example of the importance and validity of emotional cognition is SCOTUS on corporate personhood. Everyone knows it isn’t true, no matter the schizophrenic machinations of logic in the decision.
Good said, both of you, aardvark and Talking Stick.
“Our duffel of delusions”–nice! Well said, the whole piece.
Obama and his team learned well from the Ailes group:
Coerced payments to insurance companies = Health Care Reform
Taxpayer Giveaways, no-strings-attached to Wall Street=Good for America
If only the Democrats had the higher ground on this issue—
Obama practices Orwellian politics just as much as the rightwingnuts…
sorry to have to tell you
The way I see it the only way to reverse the SC decision is a Constitutional Amendment declaring that corporations are not people. This decision eliminated the 1907 Tillman Act, which banned corporate money in electoral campaigns plus upheld the idea that corporations are persons.
Since judicial interpretation is really itself an amendment to the Constitution that means it would require an Amendment to override the decision. It may take a couple election cycles for the Republicans to see the need to change it once they see how it can effect their own campaigns if they do something a corporation doesn’t like.
Unfortunately, it is very hard to make a formal constitutional change under Article Vs amending process. It must win a 2/3 vote in both houses (67 Senate votes, 290 House votes)& then be ratified by 3/4s of the states (38 out of 50).
This is what we’re up against.
Congress has to be convinced this decision was a bad idea and as of right now the Republicans know this ruling gives them a huge advantage. If this decision stands we will be a one party system far into the future.
Thanks, knowbuddhau. I wonder, from your name maybe you have cut through delusions? :)
You’re right. Everyone knows it’s not true. Curious, isn’t it? And one problem I have with the argument from progressives defenders of the opinion — that we can’t decide constitutional questions based upon consequences — is its blindness.
Oh I agree. Obama is lying thru his teeth and running a freakshow, just like Woodrow Wilson. And it’ll kill the Democrat party now just like it did back then.
There is plenty of popular support for reform at the moment but the road blocks are primarily Obama’s own staff: Rahm, Summers, Geithner etc…
We desperately need a leader in the spirit of FDR or JFK…. not a treasonous muddlehead in the spirit of Wilson.
i don’t know. my inner 2yr old can’t count that high. *g*
i think what i was trying to say is that for me sometimes when the emotional response is not in agreement with the logical response (sorry TS, don’t actually believe in the duality, but still stuck with current language and ideas), i react very negatively — because my secondary response is that i’m being lied to and that pushes all kinds of buttons for me. i hate being lied to or purposefully deceived in any way.
maybe that’s part of why i can’t stand either reagan or clinton.