STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!
The White House needs to butt out of prosecutorial decisions. If the White House undercuts Attorney General Holder on the issue of where to hold the KSM trial—or any other trial for that matter—they are establishing a HORRIBLE precedent. It would mean that anytime a criminal defendant wanted to change the venue of his trial, all he has to do is arrange for a credible threat to the neighborhood around the courthouse.
It also gives local mayors an unheard of ability to interfere with both the decisions of DOJ and those of the judicial branch. What sort a moron rewards bad behavior that way? Just because Pete King wets his pants every time someone say “terra- terra- bugga- bugga- boo” does not mean that political operatives in the White House should now be interfering in decisions properly made by the DOJ and the judicial branch.
Ahem, remember separation of powers? The judicial branch, NOT the executive branch, establishes the site of their own courts within the confines of the Judiciary Act of 1789 and Article 3 of the Constitution. So, Congress set the locations of the districts, the judiciary decides where the “court” sits within the district (which is how a FISA Court judge can hear a midnight warrant application in his living room while wearing PJs).
Do you know who do NOT get a say in this? The Executive Branch. In fact, the Judiciary Act specifically REQUIRES that:
SEC. 9. And be it further enacted, That the district courts shall have, exclusively of the courts of the several States, cognizance of all crimes and offences that shall be cognizable under the authority of the United States, committed within their respective districts, or upon the high seas;
[emphasis added].
So, if the crime was committed in SDNY, it has to be tried in SDNY, so sayeth the very first Congress of the United States. So, Rahm or whatever other cretin got the bright idea that you can tell the court where it’s going to sit, feck off and go get a copy of the goddamned Constitution! And PLEASE stop taking orders from Pete King and Michele Bachmann. Sheez!
This interference with the day to day workings of the courts is certainly a radical change, but I don’t think it’s the kind of “change we can believe in” that Democrats, Independents and crossover voters thought they were voting for.
I previously opined that someone in the Administration took a shiv to The Attorney General over the KSM trial. Now it looks like I was right. Sucks to be right.
Terrorism trials and organized crime trials in SDNY and the attendant “disruptions” to local traffic are nothing new in NY. The first ones I personally remember, was the Croatian Nationalist Trials in the early 1980’s. For those who were not daily visitors to Foley Square in those days, a little refresher:
These appeals from judgments of conviction in the District Court for the Southern District of New York, after a trial before Judge Pollack and a jury, concern the terrorist activities of four Croatian nationalists from mid-November to mid-December, 1980. During this one-month period, a Joint Terrorism Task Force, made up of Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), detectives of the New York City Police Department Arson and Explosives Section, as well as other FBI personnel, including a number of agents and translators able to understand Serbo-Croatian, conducted a large scale investigation, including the operation of four interception devices, the execution of eight search warrants, and around-the-clock physical surveillance of the four appellants and their coconspirators.
There was also a trial before Judge Motley
The massive, complex and convoluted record of this thirteen-week trial established that appellants were members of a Croatian terrorist group operating principally in New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles, with participants in Cleveland, San Francisco, Toronto, South America, and Europe. Acting through their criminal enterprise, they perpetrated an international extortion scheme against “moderate Croatians” and persons they believed to be supporters of the government of Yugoslavia, resorting to multiple acts of violence against those not sufficiently sympathetic to their cause. We chronicle the history of their activities in some detail.
This latter case involved multiple bomb plots and oodles of explosives.
I remember these trials well because of the crowds of protesters outside the courthouse. There were demonstrations daily. So, there were police doing crowd control. Supposedly, somebody either brought a gun or was apprehended trying to bring a gun into the courthouse; so suddenly you couldn’t just waltz into the courthouse at will, you were stopped in the lobby and had your bags searched.
Later, during the Commission Case (in which the heads of all five NY mafia families were charged, and which was going on at the same time the Gotti case was being tried just a short walk over the Brooklyn Bridge in EDNY) and the Pizza Connection Case, courthouse and USAO SDNY security had to be beefed up again and again. Metal detectors were added to the search and x-ray screening of bags, and finally, in response to threats to blow up the US Attorney’s Office, barricades were installed around St. Andrew’s plaza to stop car bombs. I found this latter innovation a big inconvenience because I used to park on the plaza when I worked really late or worked on the weekends. Once the bollards went up, I had to hike to my car late at night. SDNY has also been the site of the Columbian Drug Cartel trials, the NY 8 ½ trial, the FALN trial and a host of Islamic terrorists trials.
In 2001, Mary Jo White wrote a piece for Middle East Quarterly outlining the relentlessly successful work that the USAO SDNY Counter Terror Unit accomplished. Click the link and READ IT. We have a long history of safely holding trials of supposedly really dangerous people with networks of really dangerous henchmen alleged to be bent of wreaking havoc on lower Manhattan if we dared to hold the trial there. This is nothing new for SDNY.
There is no reason to, once again, jettison the rule of law, separation of powers and longstanding traditions of prosecutorial independence from political concerns, just because Mayor Bloomberg has had a change of heart.
So, I would like to remind Mayor Bloomberg of another second career mayor, Carmel-by-the-Sea’s Mayor Clint Eastwood. During his first career, Eastwood made a movie exemplifying the lengths to which this society ought to go to ensure that thugs don’t dictate where, when, how or whether criminal trials are held. Mayor Bloomberg, rent the movie — I’ll spring for the NetFlix charge and the popcorn.



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Thanks, your Section 9 argument says it all. I see this as either believing in our courts or not. It is pretty clear that Obama and Bush before him really don’t.
As for Bloomberg and the real estate agents, oy!
At least the WH won’t interfere with their planned action on the BCS.
Constitutional lawyer my ass.
Cynthia, what about, for instance, David “The Turk” Margolis?
Is he not a huge problem within DOJ itself?
I am not arguing that DOJ should not be autonomous from the White House, but that DOJ has its own problems.
It makes New York look scared of the Terrorists too.
The Gauntlet marks the moment when Clint became a really important director.
Why is the WH doing favors for Bloomberg a Republican Mayor?
It would be irresponsible not to mention that the courthouse is
not far from Goldman’s gleeming new HQ.
The “inconvenience” of the price of justice is truly disturbing.
There are 3 venues to try KSM in, in my opinion:
-NY (both Twin Tower building charges)
-Shanksville, PA (Its Fed jurisdiction, wherever that is)
-Washington DC
Should be in one of those 3, regardless of cost or inconvenience.
I agree in the importance of seperation of powers but the WH seems to have a problem with that these days.
I also think Holder squandered some credibility when he did not/was not able to (?) articulate his reasoning for trying some in civil courts and some in military courts when he was given the opportunity to.
Holder never made a strong argument for trying KSM in NYC – at least not one that anyone can remember.
“Because I said so”, just doesn’t cut it.
Not to mention Michael the Billionaire Bedwetter Bloomberg.
Our Smiling Dictator strikes again.
Thy will be done.
This waffling is an embodiment of weakness. It reinforces the perception (and reality) of the current administration.
http://www.alternet.org/world/145469/blackwater%27s_youngest_victim?page=1
Ever notice the micromanaging of this administration? The Burris appt, the New York governor’s race, etc. Instead of trying to open up relations with Cuba or solving the Israeli/Palestinian crisis or Russian diplomacy, we get this White House micromanaging domestic stuff.
Jim White’s diary is front-paged!
How can there be a conspiracy when everyone is complicit?
Yesterday, on one of the MSNBC programs, a guest argued for West Point as the best venue for the trial. West Point is within the Southern District of New York. Probably easier and better and much cheaper security than downtown Manhattan. Federal courts do have the power, I’m sure, to designate temporary courthouses within their districts. This would work.
Remember, however, that “get the trial out of NYC” is just a stalking-horse argument. If and when the bad guys win that argument, they will say, “no trial in any federal court anywhere – military commissions.” So, any agreement to move the trial out of NYC should be the last concession, not the first.
Spencer Ackerman is upstairs!
Jack Shafer’s Unpersuasive Case Against Scott Horton
Actually I don’t think any favors are being done for the Bloomberg. It probably had more to do with the likes of Schumer, Gillibrand and the other Democratic politicians who have come out against this, particularly with this being an election year. However, I do think this does open a can of worms since the reasons given for not having the trial in NY could just as well apply anywhere else. Specter for instance has already voiced objections to having the trial in PA instead. It wouldn’t surprise me if this does end up being a military trial and not due to some Obama conspiracy, but simply due to administration incompetence and lack of planning. It doesn’t look like the administration thought this out very well and they shot off their mouths on their idea before they had a plan, which this administration seems to speak first and then attempt to work out the methods after (or just leave it to Congress, which seems to be the preferred way of doing this).
Also in regards to the article, I do think this is a matter for the WH because this is a budgetary item that also doesn’t just involve the DOJ, but multiple departments within the executive branch. Holder afterall doesn’t submit his own budget to Congress while bypassing the WH – Holder isn’t an unelected co-President of the United States. This does and should involve both Congress as well as the WH and far from the WH being criticized for doing too much, I think the WH didn’t do enough. This looks to be a redux of closing Gitmo where the announcement is made before the plan is all ironed out and so you end up with a flailing administration that weakens itself from its own ineptitude. It’s like the WH just thinks all they have to do is make a declaration and bask in the glory of said declaration and then things will magically fall into place, but that’s not the way things work.
In general with the way things are going with a WH that has weakened itself over and over again (both intentionally outsourcing important legislation and unintentionally by making announcements without plans that result in Congress exerting a say), I think the question will be not whether or not the WH is interfering too much but whether or not Congress is interfering too much because I think yet again Congress will do a lot of the heavy lifting or at least heavy lobbying…like Gillibrand and Schumer are stepping into this and they aren’t even in the executive branch. I also expect any Congressional Democrat who is up for re-election this year and isn’t in a safe seat will try and stop the trial from being held in their district out of fear that they will be labeled as bringing the threat of terrorism to their district – I’m not saying it is right or wrong, just I think that is what Gillibrand and Specter are worried about.
I don’t see how the trial would end up being held where it was originally proposed – a few blocks from the Twin Towers. I would a expect a change of venue to be filed by KSM’s lawyers and for them to win it. That is what happened with the DC Sniper as well as with OKC – both trials were held a long way away from the scene of the crime. West Point does sound like a good idea since it is pretty far away from Manhattan, so a defense motion for change of venue would seem harder to win.
Lloyd told Larry and Timmy to move the trial, so Obama moved the trial
what’s so hard to understand about that?
In NYC there are reports the the NYPD security plan that was being considered was extremely elaborate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/nyregion/30trial.html
I would hope that they might consider moving the trial to someplace such as Brooklyn’s Fort Hamilton.
David Dayen is upstairs!
Pentagon Undermining DADT Repeal Already
Great post, Cynthia. I’ve linked to it here.
DOJ under Bush became a very damaged and diseased agency. The new AG has a ron of work to do to restore it and to restore America’s (and the world’s) confidence in it.
But the decision to hold a proper, normal criminal trial inthe proper normal way, was a significant step towards regaining DOJ’s good name.
That should not be undermined. And since when do local mayors and a damn trade lobby make law enforcement policy?
Yep. And since the greatest loss of life and property was in NYC AND SDNY has a long history of being able to do these kinds of cases the right way AND since SDNY has a physical plant capable of doing this with utmost security, siting the trial there is a no brainer.
West point is a military base. It is also the premior warrior college. By moving the trial to a military facility, you elevate KSM to the status of a soldier instead of making the point that he is merely a low life criminal.
Somethings wrong with this picture. Are Bloomberg and New Yorkers being intimadated by the terrorists? I think the cost and security problems they cite are poor excuses for moving the trial. Trials have been held in NY before this. Are we going to chalk one up for the terrorist? I’m ashamed of this action. Kill somebody in my city-your ass goes on trial here.