I swear to some amorphous sky deity, the next politician or pundit, male or female, who tries to extol the virtues of “bipartisanship” is getting a swift kick in the groinal area. From the New York Times:
WASHINGTON — President Obama signaled on Wednesday that he might be willing to scale back his proposed health care overhaul to a version that could attract bipartisan support, as the White House and Congressional Democrats grappled with a political landscape transformed by the Republican victory in the Massachusetts Senate race.
Mister President, stop it. I beg of you — just . . . stop it. Remove yourself from the confines of your ideological ivory tower and get a grip on the realities on the ground. This is Washington, D.C. we’re talking about here. These people are not your friends. They do not want to reach across the aisle and work with you for some greater good. They never have and never will:
Top Republicans on Wednesday were hostile toward President Obama’s plan to create a bipartisan commission on cutting projected deficits, raising doubts about the prospects of a main piece of his budget strategy.
Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader in the Senate, was evasive when pressed by reporters at the Capitol. “I’m not going to decide today what we’re going to do in the future,” he said. But the House Republican leader, Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, seemed to suggest that Republicans might not take their allotted seats on a commission.
Still, Mr. President, you persist in this ridiculous charade, issuing a statement today after the the Supreme Court’s Judicial Activist Society’s disastrous decision in FEC v. Citizens United that calls for yet more bipartisan-flavored cotton candy:
This ruling gives the special interests and their lobbyists even more power in Washington–while undermining the influence of average Americans who make small contributions to support their preferred candidates. That’s why I am instructing my Administration to get to work immediately with Congress on this issue. We are going to talk with bipartisan Congressional leaders to develop a forceful response to this decision. The public interest requires nothing less.
Riiiiight. Everyone knows that the Republicans, no ordinary slouches when it comes to convincing the Leviathans of Industry to pony up the filthy lucre for their re-election war chests, are just dying to legislate away this financial windfall. I’m sure their response will be “forceful,” indeed.
Meanwhile, amid all the Coakley post-mortem clucking, Rahm Emanuel’s BFF, head of the DLC, and “Livin’ in the ’90s” fan Bruce Reed drafted these pearls of wisdom:
By definition, independent voters don’t care about party labels and disdain partisan gamesmanship. They want Obama to keep pressing both parties to work together—no easy trick these days—and they want their president to be a spur to congressional action and a check on congressional excesses.
BZZZZT, wrong answer, Mr. Reed. Come join the 21st century. Independent voters want Mr. Obama to get the job done, by any means necessary. They don’t give a Norwegian rat’s ass about “bipartisanship” at this point. One year later, the vast majority of Americans are in the same lousy shape–if not worse off–as they were on January 21, 2009 and are still traumatized by the eight years preceding that. They are now thoroughly disgusted with the Beltway self-absorption and obstructionism on both sides of the aisle. They want solutions, and they want them now. Call it “nondenominational populism,” if you will.
So here’s my suggestion: You were elected for a reason (I mean, other than to prevent Sarah Palin from getting her hands on the nuclear football). Stop with the eleventy-dimensional chess and drop the bipartisanship fetish. Drop it faster than you dropped your progressive campaign staffers on November 4, 2008. It isn’t helping you one iota with the American public; instead, you look like you’re more infatuated with the process than you are with your core principles.
That sure as hell doesn’t bode well for any of us for the next three years.



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F*ck bipartisanship. All it’s done in the last year is make things worse for most of us.
Maybe it will take losing congress to get that through their heads. I’d rather not go that far, but when they’re acting like they’re a minority because they only have 59 votes in the Senate, they need some kind of cluebat upside their heads. Or a sea of pitchforks and torches outside their office windows ….
Watertiger!
Dead on. You cannot work with people who define “bipartisanship as “date rape.” As I noted over at your place, anybody who expects the Rethugs to try to “fix” this ginormous windfall their fellow travelers on the SCOTUS just handed them is flat out delusional.
fuck — its sure been a pisser of a day w/t
whats that saying about doing the same thing over and over hoping for different results…
Shorter Watertiger: “If you can’t fight, you don’t belong in the ring!”
Amen WT!
True dat. Of course my response to “bipartisanship” would get me in trouble with the mods. ;-)
They want bipartisanship? Okay, here’s your bipartisanship: The Dems and the GOP can both go fuck themselves. Thank you.
Heh. They’re a tough crowd.
SHRILL!!!
The conundrum of a plan to get the victors to give up rights and powers they just won truly defeats me….what happened to rational and/or practical thought.
Somebody needs to let these idiot asshats know that we elected them to actually get things done. There is no credit for “effort”, only fucking results.
Well, my version of a cluebat wouldn’t:
Two-foot length of foam insulation for 3/4-inch pipe. (Comes in 6-foot lengths, cuts with scissors.)
Weighs nothing, can’t do more than make noise when you swat a solid object with it.
The Dems desperately crave bipartisan cover for their malfeasance. Republicans might be dumb as posts but they aren’t going to provide it.
Bush waterboarded it and sent it to Gitmo where it “committed suicide”.
LOL!
SRSLY, Suz.
Between all this nonsense and poor TBogg losing Beckham, this day sucketh mightily.
It got lost under the deluge of lobbyist money.
You are much more tolerant than I am. Also you are not an Okie. I try to hide it and keep it locked away in a closet in the basement, but this kind of shit inevitably brings out my inner Okie and it ain’t pretty.
Heh. Me and belch remodeled the house, bought a bunch of that foam insulation item and we call it “Donkey Dick.”
Smack ‘em around with Donkey Dick!
From this whole sorry spectacle I am reminded of being forced to agree with Jimmy Johnson last week on the occasion of Terry Bradshaw opining dolorously over the regrettably sad poor sportsmanship shown by Brett Favrererre in “running up the score” against the Cowboys. Quoth Johnson: “This is the NFL. If you don’t want to get the score run up on you, play better football.”
Doubt Reid is a fan though.
*sigh* a sad sad day all the way around
Learned reaction: I have to behave, or they’ll fire me.
(They fired my cubie last June, because he wouldn’t stop arguing with the bosses. He’s still out of work.) It isn’t easy to behave, especially when some of my co-workers are determined to be dim.
Obama’s clueless. He gives you just enough to make you think he’s actually going to do the right thing and fight for the American people and then he goes right back to his bipartisanship fetish. I’m beginning to think it’s actually sexual.
Reid would never make it past the fucking coin toss. He’d be lying in a small, whimpering heap on the 50 yard line.
Orahma will pursue this bipartisanship bullshit to the ashes of the democratic party. What the hell kind of alternate universe did I wake up in? Who is that stupid enough to interpret the election results as the american people wanting him to run right?
T Bradshaw ought to know better.
Beckham looked like a real sweetheart. Rest in peace, li’l doggie.
Bipartisanship used to work in the 60s and 70s. In fact, I posted a Nixon State of the Union speech on my blog talking about it and calling for it:
http://teeteringfrenchrock.blogspot.com
The truth is that all the great victories of US history have involved some form of bipartisanship. Bipartisanship is asking people to use their brain to truly study the issues and make their own opinion by exercizing good judgment and using their hearts. We, human beings are still capable of doing so. We have to find that place again in Washington. We have no choice.
And when he gets that feeling
He wants: bipartisan healing….
Yep….can’t imagine Johnson says anything I want to hear….that would be true of Jerry Jones as well, however.
All those times I watched growing up wondering why the hell it looked like bradshaw was throwing the game suddenly made sense.
I must say that with age I have learned to curb my tongue for the most part, but the inner monologue ain’t pretty.
Didn’t you answer that question just before you asked it? /s
(I swear, if there’s a way to misinterpret something to produce the worst possible results, this administration will try it. And complain afterward about being misunderstood, too.)
Suz, I don’t think I can recall gentle reminders ever being necessary in a Glenn Smith thread before.
IMO, it worked because there was a strong Executive to act as enforcer. I don’t think you could accuse either Johnson or Nixon of dithering.
If Republicans only had a brain that might work. All they have is a nervous system that responds to power and money.
glenn’s usually not had posts that are active when late night goes up
You are going to have to find a different opposition party if you want to do that. We did not create this situation and we cannot fix it. As long as the other party is only interested in power and not in actual governance, bipartisanship is impossible.
OT
TDS had quite a takedown on KO tonight.
Or on such an incendiary topic.
Watertiger, I just got off the phone with President Obama, he says he read your post, and he’s tacking left starting tomorrow.
Happy January Fools Day.
Laughing! Hah hah hah! Laughing!
Ever hear of Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay?
Well, when the banks are giving record bonuses a year after the economy just about went under save for “taxpayer” money but man and pa kettle are still losing their homes what the fuck does he expect.
The entire concept of bipartisan assumes people coming from different positions some distance apart and representing different sizable portions of the country. That (arguably) existed in the 60s and 70s. It no longer does. The entire playing field has been deposited on the conservative side and most people of both sides are representing corporate interests.
So, no, bipartisanship as they define it is *not* where we need to go.
It’s fun being out of earshot (in vehicle, or walking) and cussing at the idjits around me. (Mostly driving with a cellphone glued to one ear; the ones with the phone held to the left ear by the right hand are something else.)
And it’s been a particularly harsh day. More than one vector for tempers.
I myself am trying to be especially restrained when I am actually full of
%$&#**, you G***987654, sonsa *&(*&, HOW DARE YOU %%^$#!!!!!!!!!!!
“That sure as hell doesn’t bode well for any of us for the next three years”
Really? How will the next corporate bought president do for you? Better?
You’re about to see a more perfect union. A union made of warring corporations.
[narrows eyes]
Howdy folksies.
When Goldman Sachs’ bonuses are $3 billion more than their profits in that context, the world has gone totally mad.
Don’t blame me, I voted for the Gizmonic Institute.
It’s the stuff of dystopic sci-fi.
Here’s what I heard Barney Frank say on Rachel Maddow’s show about
“Coincidentally, the Supreme Court today granted extraordinary powers to corporations to advertise and potentially determine the outcome of elections.”
Free speech has consequences.
Barney suggested removing corporation privileges, granted only by law, such as their limited liability.
As I understand his suggestion it could be, “You can have free speech, with unlimited liability. The management and shareholders would now become liable for the corporation’s activities.”
So, is the world of Rollerball what we have to look forward to?
now imagine you are working backstage and feeling that way
*sigh* i’ll try to use forks tonight
Yeah – specifically THX 1138.
Hey, BCT! How’s life treating you? Ready for the Spring Semester?
Howdy BCT.
Go ahead and jump on me, but I am coming to the conclusion that obama may be a worse President for us than w was. obama knew that people were sick of what w had done (under 30% liked his presidency), and obama made some promises to change things, be transparent, etc, etc. What did we get? A corporatist who has dismissed the actual voters that put him in, has continued the w policies, and kept many bushians in place in his admin. Crimes and malfeasance committed by the people in the past admin? “I want to look forward, not back.” Murders committed at Gitmo? Just take the commanders word that “these people committed assymetrical warfare” against us by tying and gagging themselves, then hanging themselves. Of course you know that we have always been at war with Eastasia. Now the mighty war machine of Yemin has attacked us so we must respond.
Kornbluth’s “The Syndic” may apply.
hey bct
More like “Escape From New York”
What makes you think that corps will war with anyone other than their customers, who have no choice? They will all collude to the best outcome for all of them. Antitrust and regulation is dead.
What we need is a Constitutional Amendment to clarify that there are Corporate Persons and Human Persons. Human Persons have the rights and responsibilities granted in the Constitution. Corporate Persons have those rights and responsibilities granted them by the Legislature and only those rights.
No argument here.
I realize it is not easy, at all. I’ve really been trying to be relatively behaved.
Don’t know how long that’ll last! But, hey…
Were you around when I got modded the other day? Over something quite mild actually. The mod edit made it appear that I might have said something much worse.
Earlier today I suggested that the ultimate judicial activism, Bush v. Gore, had sent us all hurtling into an alternate universe and we were now experiencing a worse reality than the crappy final season of Sliders.
I’m as ready for it as I’m going to get. My graduate design class didn’t make :(. I have no idea what my DH is going to do to get that course out of my hide.
How’s your term shaping up?
Spoiler alert, but I can’t resist. Colbert sez that if O had been as good as Sarah Palin in her first year, he’d be retired by now.
No. We need an amendment making it clear that there are no such things as “corporate persons,” but that we will legislatively extend certain personlike rights and responsibilities to corporations.
Constitutional amendment? A pipe dream. It’s extremely difficult to amend the Constitution.
thanks.
I’ve not been modded yet, to my knowledge. Just waitin’.
YOU got modded?
Good lard, the blog has been getting volume and hot lately and I just never am around when it’s going on!
I’m still waiting to wake up and find that I’m in the shower with Patrick Duffy.
The final health care bill will be trimmed back to just two lines:
“All Americans must purchase health care insurance. Aside from that, you’re on your own.”
Succinct and to the point.
Fucking morons.
Not you guys. Those other guys.
Nah, you just get “prodded.” Heh.
wudja mind waiting until things calm down a wee bit first? please :)
We all became serfs today.
Wish in one hand…
Absent something like that, though, I would now speculate that all manner of law and regulation concerning lobbyists will come under attack as “unconstitutional” infringement of the 1st Amendment rights of corporate “people,” who are, after all, only “peaceably assembling” in the halls of DC and statehouses for Redress of Grievances.
A political scientist of my acquaintance says that other Constitutions distinguish between corporate persons and human persons.
I could go along with an explicit statement that there is no such thing as a corporate person, but that corporations may be granted limited rights and responsibilities by the government.
That sucks. I assume you all have some low level horror class that usually goes to TAs or junior faculty. 8-P
My undergraduate classes are all full and my grad seminar has ten, so I am set to be plenty busy. Not as many students as usual since I got bumped out of my usual classroom for intro and only have 170 there and another class was moved online this year and they normally cap those at 30 (last year I had 50 – in a 300 level course).
We couldn’t get the frakking ERA passed to codify *women* as being real people. What chance is there of getting an amendment to codify that our corporate overlords aren’t real people?
The corporations will like that. Obama will be flooded with campaign cash.
LOL!!11!
Me neither, though I came close a couple of time a while back.
I don’t believe that was *quite* what the reveal was, but, ummm, thanks for sharing I guess.
I’m feeling minimalist tonight.
Ours does not have those provisions, because the concept was only invented (by the SCOTUS) in the 1830s IIRC.
Yeah, keep playin rope-a-dope with the repubs, there Barry. Certainly smacking the fists of republicans with your face will wear them down after 3 or four more years, after they have convinced America what an incompetent fighter you are, revitalized their party, retaken the house and senate (after all, you ain’t usin’ it) and had you diagnosed with level three mad donkey disease.
Guess you’re just going to have to try harder.
Actually we don’t have any low-level horror classes. I expect something fully lovely like a 13 hour teaching load next fall with four preps.
phhphhphht.
I’ll e-mail the comment to you. Judge for yourself.
Evening, BC!
Who’s Beckham?
One of his basset hounds.
It’s more likely that the corporations will pass a Constitutional amendment that they alone have full “personhood” and everyone else are merely animate objects.
I thought we’d flipped into the universe of ‘Mirror, Mirror’. Everything in government seems to fit that one much better now.
1880-something, the key case was Union Pacific Railway v. Santa Clara County or something like that. The railroad robber barons were pissed off that they paid property taxes at higher rates than individuals.
The Supreme Court decided that the Robber Barons were right, and entitled to the same treatment as individuals.
I’ll go along with that just as soon as someone shows me how we can imprison a corporation.
Hey PJ
Dawg
tbogg’s beloved basset
Sounds like several semester I have had. My normal load is 12 hours and I had to do a special prep for moving my gender class online (everything has to be done and online a week before classes start with a formal review of the class before hand) in addition this fall. spring should be a cakewalk.
In case you haven’t heard: “‘Oath Keepers’ Leader Arrested for Child Rape; Cops Find Stolen Grenade Launcher in His House”.
So, something socially redeeming happened today.
Don’t give me any ideas.
If Obama shows up one day in a goatee we are completely fucked.
Yeah. One more crazed redneck Okie off the streets is always a good thing.
Like imprisoning corporations? Works for me.
Hey, c’mon.
We also learned that our newest senator, Brown, posed in his birthday suit. :)
Court clerk put it in the introductory remarks, I understand, and it was assumed by the semi-literates that that was part of the decision. (The clerk got a nice judgeship later, and turned out to be pro-corporation. Wonder why ….)
Hey, I are one, too.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen watertiger and the Firepup Freedom fighters:
President ObamaRhama has made himself irrelevant. Even if he were to decide to act in the interest of the American people, events and conditions have long past him and his lack of ability to turn the power the people gave him in the direction of the threats to our well being that grow daily have turned the face of the people elsewhere.
Obama is no longer the leader of a movement to bring America into the 21st century and healthcare and jobs and financial reform will be done in spite of him. ObamaRahma is slowly becoming like the uncle we all like but don’t invite on vacation with us.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE STRUGGLE GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
IMO he’d look better without one.
Now if we get bearded guys with pointy ears, I might be interested. But only if they’re also smart.
Frankly, I don’t think he ever was. Mostly, he just seemed the least objectionable of the unappetizing choices.
The only answer is for those of us in California and New York to move to North Dakota and Alabama, I guess.
That’s true, but the abstract has since been cited in a number of decisions. Apparently stare decisis applies even to things that weren’t really decided.
Anybody visit the wake HP was holding tonight?
Yep, Obama and the rest of the party were given a mandate and squandered the opportunity. It won’t come around again anytime soon.
It does if it serves the interests of the rich and our corporate overlords.
We can OMFG!! use one of those containers like in ghost busters???
What do you mean, calm down a bit? I’m so lacking service and time here in PV I haven’t been able to follow. What’s going on??
HP…Harry Potter?
So that’s what they mean when they talk about his “conservative streak.”
Thanks, all.
Nah, that’s in his underwear.
And stare decisis clearly doesn’t apply when it would inconvenience a politician (especially a right-wingnut) or a corporation. (I wish I could put /s on that.)
Feel free, whenever. You gave me some nicies at my diary, so I’m all queued up for you to do your worst. Law of averages.
folks are feeliing the stresses and there has been some acting up in the threads
Bipartisanship would almost be a relief – what we have now is Repuke partisanship with Democratic cave-ins and non-stop kowtowing. Until the Democrats can be partisan there can be no bipartisanship.
‘evenin’, all-
Let’s see how many capital punishment advocates support capital punishment for criminal corporations.
Now seating Senator Skidmark.
*laughing* thanks ecahn
Shit, I’m trying hard as I can. Does being accused of being a male wingnut troll by an author count?
Howdy Ron.
If it applied to corporations, I might have to rethink my positon on that.
at this point — i would think so — hell my heads a’spinning at all the vitriol this past week
Hunh?
I missed that, I hope you laughed.
Doesn’t count unless you’re modded. I could provide some useful tips.
Hint: it’s nothing you might imagine… (shellfish)
Everyone’s at wit’s end. People need to BREATHE. I feel like we’ve been more than patient around these parts, and I worry about folks getting just past restless. You and I have our meager pensions, folks who worked for corporations have lost their asses through their 401s. People are pissed, and rightfully so.
If the dems don’t fix things, we’ve got trouble.
Actually, capital punishment can be applied to corporations. It’s called court-ordered liquidation.
Bipartisanship. Bullpartisanshit.
Bipartisanship is a good idea under the right conditions. Those conditions involve BOTH sides actually wanting to accomplish a similar goal. In the current climate, both sides have their own goal. Republicans want Democrats out at any cost and Democrats want to put a Republican’s vote on their legislation so they can appeal to moderates.
Both sides are incredibly farking stupid in doing these things. Or brilliant, depending on who you’re asking.
To be quite honest, bipartisanship is a hollow word these days and its use by both parties is a cynical attempt to hide the fact that whether an official is blue or red, they’re all working for the corporate team.
Seriously. They can’t be imprisoned, but they can be killed.
You weren’t KOSHER! Heh.
I was thinking of something a bit more drastic.
yup — and worrying about that future just adds to the stresses. folks need help now.
And we do not seem to be getting it from anybody. Especially not from those we counted on to do so.
Guess I’m glad I was on leave.
Thank-you!
I finally understand. :-)
You MUSTA BEEN trying hard! LOL!
yup — folks are not seeing any help for anyone else than the bankers and too big to fails. someone earlier today said that he/she was going to change their name to bank of me and get bailed out, implying that is the only way to get any help nowadays.
Here’s the link. It was in the John Dean book salon. I asked what personal benefit did he receive from outing Nixon. The host, Perlstein, did a quick google on my screen name and concluded thusly. Much hilarity.
host at book salon is not the same as a front pager — i thought you meant a regular front pager
Oh no…. RIP Beckham
Hmph. Frankly seems like a reasonable question to me.
Sorry if I didn’t characterize accurately. I’m such a thorn here, that any front pager would tread lightly. *g*
Oh yeah, I remember that.
But you gotta give Perlstein a wee bit o’forgiveness as he did a mea culpa.
Dear Mr. President,
All of the Repubs & AT LEAST 1/3 of the Dems are the living breathing representatives of the “special interests.” There is no bi-partisanship. There are only those who represent the people of this country and those who represent the CORPORATIONS. John Roberts & 4 other justices just made it perfectly clear who they represent. It is now time for you to choose. Do you
represent us, the cititzens of the U.S. or do you represent the Corporations?
There is NO Bipartisanship! You are either with us or against us.
PLEASE CHOOSE MR. PRESIDENT. WE NEED YOU.
Time for me to toddle off. One more day of the winter short course and then spring semester starts on Monday. Take care all.
It was a pain-free gender reassignment, anyway.
Somebody should tell Perlstein if he wouldn’t dig so hard it would be easier to scramble out again.
He represents the corporations.
End of story, kiddo.
Nighters. Corrupt ‘em good.
Good night, Dr. D.
Dean answered my q by stating, as Perlstein previewed, that he did it for nothing but honorable reasons. The real answer, I think, is that Dean was the only one to emerge from that shitpile smelling like a rose.
I described the situation to my cleaning lady the next time she came (I love her, and NO dummy she), and her response was: Did anyone ever hire Dean as a lawyer after he outed his client?
http://from-the-left-side-of-my-brain.blogspot.com/2010/01/unrequited-love-say-it-aint-so.html
‘night, Doc.
It was actually kinda fun….. waiting for the other shoe to drop *g*
Betcha the pre-retraction e-mails were good reading.
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Dean did some time coming out of Watergate, and lost his license to practice law.
Great thoughts, WT, thanks . . . . haven’t read comments . . .
” . . . . Drop it faster than you dropped your progressive campaign staffers on November 4, 2008.”
Loved the post . . . . ;-)
And that line alone, tells it all, don’t it . . . fuck FISA, that was the beginnin. And I missed it.
Lesigh.
Another 14 seconds of fame. Better than doing instant analysis of economic data on cable financial channels.
I remember that. Mistake! Whoowee.
Didn’t remember that. Thanks. But he still came out better than the others.
Also, seems to be a lesson from what Dean did, and perhaps he should have schooled me on that, as you just did.
Night Dr. Dick
Typical, whistleblower does the time.
Yeah, I know some of the culprits did too, though the mob boss got off with a warning. The Nixon staff were just petty criminals compared to the Bush and Obama admins.
~~~ModNote: Flaming any commenter will get your comment deleted.
Keep to issues and leave the personalities outside, please.~~~
Like in Genesis, he’d still be in paradise if he’d just kept his mouth shut.
Favre is god, till he loses, this year. I love that quarterback.
And he STILL goes down as great as any of the greatest.
Top 3. Has to be.
And that means he’s part of Montana and The Lefty, for the Niner’s.
*G*
What’s this noise about losing Bechham? Is he dead?
g’nite dr dick (and any other leaving sleepyhead i may have missed)
Obama clearly doesn’t realize that he’s toxic at this point.
tbogg’s basset passed today
Yep, that pup passed.
I shoulda figured something was up the other night when TBogg was mean to me. It wasn’t like him. Now I know why. Makes me a bit sad.
(((tbogg))) and (((tbogg’s basset)))
Or he doesn’t care.
The latter is more likely.
Not the soccer guy, but rather someone very dear.
There sure as hell has been some serious shit from new names, and they keep on coming.
Are any of the ISP’s common to the new folks, whackaloons?
Or should that be private info . . . . . don’t mean to pry TOO far . .
The new one’s, day after day are getting to be hard to pass by . . .
Hard to tell the chaff from the wheat.
*G* Bless all of yas, FDL . . . .
lotsa new readers — some come in guns blazing without getting the lay of the land first
Again. Bullpartisanshit.
Bullpartisanshit!
Mr. Obama. Why are you striving for bullpartisanshit?
I think it was more than ten years after my last dog passed before I finally stopped looking at the gate expecting him to greet me every time I pulled in the driveway.
I think most of my favorite people have been critters.
Heading out, peaceful evenings to all.
Dean committed some crimes: he pleaded to obstruction of justice and something else.
Yeah, he came out better than most of them, although I’ll note that the GOOP re-write of history has cleaned up Colson and Liddy pretty well.
g’nite rat
Yes, amending the Constitution, changing laws, and many other things are VERY DIFFICULT. The Corporatists, through their propaganda machines (msm, etc.)
want us to believe that it’s impossible. The more of us that believe “it’s impossible or my vote doesn’t count, etc. the closer they are to making it impossible. DIFFICULT? Yes. IMPOSSIBLE? NO!
I’m afraid you’re right. Where do we go from here?
Good night, RF.
Gnite rf. Sleep well.
watertiger said:
I’m in for a brazillion quatloo reward.
Oh, me too! Every night I open the back door expecting to hear my Elvis meow. RIP tbogg’s lovely bh.
Do you ever wonder if these people understand just how much they look like the last of the Louis’s? I wonder if they understand apres nous, le deluge?
Yanno, I’m just thinking back through the past, say through FISA.
And it strikes me that there’s a pattern to the blog, and how Jane directs it. There’s always a peak and trough deal with the “heat” in the comments as relates to the posts of the day when it comes near a decision point in legislation.
Then, once there’s an outcome (generally been poor for a while) there’s a nicely unifying message post about Where We Go Next, and people coalesce and go, Yeah, and we move on.
It’s just that this decision point, or points in time are really meaningful, and they’re dragging way the hell out. Jane can’t play the next card yet, so it’s all AARRRGGYY!
Just an observation.
Oh.
Thanks . . .
Good night, ratfood. The sooner you return the happier we’ll be.
jane has an ability to see several moves ahead — i would not want to play chess against her and there is always more heat when elections etc draw near
Probably in exactly the same direction the powers that be want us to go. The same direction we’re going now.
The only thing I’d caution you against is thinking that doing something is going to change something. You can fight, but it most likely won’t do anything.
Yep – me either. I’m just saying things are “stuck” right now, and I think in an unpredictable way.
I could see Nelson, or Webb or Lieberman coming out with the “Must Wait For Scott (R-Nude) Brown To Be Seated” but Obama? And so fast?
I mean you could see him agreeing, but so quickly? That’s just frikking weird.
we are in uncharted territory with the supreme’s ruling today…
Suzanne,
I’m so depressed with this — my stomach churns.
Awwwww . . . didn’t catch that, thought it was the hapless soccer player.
TBogg, my greatest wishes to ya for your loss .. . .
Thanks Suz . . . as you said, a long day, with lots of wierd shits.
Bless you and others who hold the fort down, ma’am.
i am trying real hard to not fret over stuff i have no control over. is why late late at night, i tend to turn the political off and escape into some music or cartoons etc.
on behalf of the mod squad, you are most welcome larue
I thought it was about the soccer player, I missed the TBogg connect.
And I send best wishes to TBogg, and Beckham.
That’s why I’m here LLN too.
His time as a community organizer is showing – always make nice…
A different world when you’re a powerful decision maker. (assuming he’s making the decisions)
Agree. Ain’t no map outta this territory; for the moment. Probably for quite a while.
Thanks RF, just now catching on . . . .
Wishin YOU and Bob well . . . for a long time.
Good night, ‘pups.
Got that, trying at times to adjust to it . . . . .
Where they comin from, ya think?
g’nite bct
Second reply.
Heh, I did that back in LibbyGate . .
Taken YEARS of blog comments to ‘get it’ . . .
*G*
i dunno — my magic 8 ball says try again later
Guessing we’re gonna see a lot of action, quickly. Those guys aren’t noted for letting grass grow under their feet.
The Great Thinkers of DC.BiPartisan the Democrat and Republican United against the people.Do thay have any ideal that the Progressive,Tea Party elected Scott Brown.The Progressive,Tea Party elected Obama.Obama was elected on his campaign by The Progressive,Tea Party.To do the work For The People.
Huh?
Don’t be fuckin with my votes, mooker.
Nite BCT, rat
Child, and YES I relish on callin ya that . . .*G*
WAIT!
The House has to finish up.
That’s now step 1.
Then, the Senate has to respond.
That’s step 2.
Till then?
All we know is Pelosi don’t have 218 to pass the Senate Bill as is (that’s GOOD!).
Wait, ya mooker, just wait . . . . christ I’m gonna vote for yas a few times, can ya just GET the message?
*G*
Go up to LLN dear….
Well, I took a stroll over to Drudge hoping that the comments will show some backlash against increasing corporate power and it looks promising.
http://www.drudge.com/news/129216/supremes-drop-corporate-limits-political
My suggestion is that we mosey over to their sites and advise them that the French and Chinese will now be defining the limits of their freedoms.
Uncharted, ma’am, as of Coakley, as it has seemingly unraveled the WH in ways I never thought it would.
There’s PRESSURE on WH/Obama/Rham that we’ve not seen from the beginning.
Lots of pressure.
We wait for the House decision, and THEN we decide what to do.
In the meantime, all Pups should be calling (800 #’s on google) WH, Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and reps and senatros.
This IS the time to call and email, this IS the time force MORE pressure on them all.
Nothing else matters, this is the cusp, as we wait for the House finality.
Wish FDL would champion that . . . perhaps, I’m missing something.
But I’m hopeful, and happy with Jon Walker and Mz. Hamsher’s posits the past few weeks.
This place informs, and educates.
I can’t buy this shit in a school.
Chris!!! Snap out of it!!!
There’s already congressional responses to it!
Wait and see.
As of now, the HCR needs your support, so call, fax and email your reps, senators, Reid, Pelosi and Obama/WH and do your prog duty!!!!
Keep yer eye, on the ball. Eye, ball. That’s a joke son . . . ;-)
You could be a politician . . . I’d vote for yas, often. /snark
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Heh, always gotta have the last woid . . . ;-)
Ok. FINE, up above I go . . . . ;-)
Mkay what am I missing here. Under senate rules it takes sixty votes to cut off debate. It requires two thirds of the senate to end the filibuster (51 if it happens at the beginning of the congressional session, in ’11). Without making overtures to co-presidents Snowe and Lieberman (or, say, strangling Mitch McConnell in is sleep – NOT THAT I’M ADVOCATING THAT, HOMELAND SECURITY), how are the Dems going to pass anything? Really. We can scream about the calls for bipartisanship, but let’s place at least SOME blame where it deserves to be. On the Republicans. Now they smell blood in the water don’t you think they’ll be even more united in saying NO? To everything? They’ll filibuster everything including a resolution not to kill puppies. Because, why? IT IS WORKING FOR THEM. Electorally. Whatever Obama can do with the stroke of a pen, that doesn’t require another branch of government, he should do it. Unless Big O gives Snowe and Collins a lap dance or whatever Lieberschmuck demands,nothing will come out of the Senate for the rest of the year. Zero. Nothing. Nothing. Aint it a great day?
You want a real kick in the head? The Supreme Court actually decided that corporations were NOT persons (I may be a little fuzzy on the details, if so please excuse) BUT a clerk, who oddly enough had connections to the railroad, wrote a summary of the decision stating just the opposite and the summary is what ended up being released as if it was the decision.
Larue, You still here?
Just make the CEO personally responsible for any criminal act of the corporation.
I think what is getting lost in this whole debate in this thread is what has essentially been lost on the Democrats since they decided to take up the cause of Health Care Reform during an economic downturn: simply, the will of the American voter. To tackle major, sweeping, costly, confusing legislation while many people are feeling anxious and are struggling to keep their jobs and their homes demonstrates an arrogance and ignorance that is staggering to the ‘average’ American.
The financial crisis that occurred before the election brought about a seismic shift in the American psyche and for many the collective “Yes we can” became “What am I gonna do now?”
401ks crushed, a pile of personal debt, layoffs, all weigh heavily on the middle class as they try to scale back and preserve what they have worked so hard to amass during the course of their adult lifetimes.
Americans are smart enough to know that government bailouts, massive spending programs and new entitlements, however well-intentioned, come with a price tag too high for them to pay right now. Like the family who forestalls buying the shiny new washer and dryer, they opt to repair the old ones and wait…wait for the economy to improve. Our grandparent and parents, who lived through the depression served as examples of how to endure, to do with less, remain optimistic and work hard.
Obama squandered the opportunity of a generation when he either willfully or unwittingly failed to recognize that the mood of Americans had changed.
That failure continues still, with calls from the left to focus full steam ahead and ignore the Republicans. The left, the Dems in Congress and the WH have forgotten that they represent our wishes, are elected to speak for us. Representatives who ignore the will of their constituents become political hacks, partisans more concerned with protecting the President, giving him a ‘win’ than they doing what those who elected want.
This is NOT rocket science. ‘Self-preservation’ will trump the ‘collective good’ EVERY TIME.
Out of self-preservation, congress should now embrace Public Finance for congressional and presidential elections. Next, we do away with the electoral college. Then, on to direct elections for the people.