Yes.

All Republicans are the same, just like all Democrats are the same.

Wait, what?

Is it really necessary to use scatological language every other sentence? Borrrrrrrrrrring. Not only that it is incomprehensible to some of us.

Just who is the gentleman that you suggest has filled his diaper with dung?.

I sure hope the people do come out in droves to elect Coakley to replace Ted Kennedy! What an insult it would be to the Bay State to have a Repuke in the same seat that JFK held! Brown is just a RightWing Shill and a protector of Corporate America and has no use for the common man!! Unless of course you are donating sheckles to his campaign!!

Citing statistics about other GOPs doesn’t really prove that Scott Brown’s a creationist. I mean, Bob Kerrey has proved his douchedom time and again; we don’t really need him in this mix, do we? Having Democrats undercut the argument for defeating Scott Brown seems stupid. There’s plenty we know about him that makes Martha Coakley the right choice, far and away. Why make stuff up? It only opens Democrats up to these idiotic charges from the right.

Unless Bob Kerrey has information proving Scott Brown doesn’t believe in evolution, he should STFU. Actually, Bob Kerrey should just STFU; no qualifier required.

Clicking on the ‘very angry’ link will reveal all.

Everyone knows he’s called Doughy Pantload. It’s probably on his birth certificate, knowing Lucianne, his mom, Linda Tripp’s ‘best friend.’

You’ve totally missed the point of this post.

Morning Teddy and I do like your comment about Kerry. He sure can be full of himself and he really should only deal with the facts and boy are there enough facts as to why Scott Brown should be rejected at the polls come Tuesday!!

one of the problems is that coakley says she supports the administration’s hrc and both the house and senate bills are in almost all ways worse than our current romneycare (yeah, i know, how sad is that?).

apparently, at least an aide in my rep’s office who assured me the house bill would allow us to keep our exchanges and regulations, etc, because we already have a waiver from hhs. but the senate bill and probably whatever is going to come out of current white house negotiations, may very well make healthcare coverage in the state of MA worse.

if that’s the case, is it really fair to expect dems who know this to vote for coakley?

perhaps you masked your point with the “slimy” coating.

But tell us what Independents believe because we are the ones that will get Brown elected if it happens, not the Democrats or Republicans. Forget your pity(ful) parties, they both suck.

This will cause a backlash in Brown’s favor.. Just like Coakley’s statement about Catholic doctors in the emergency room.. She’s done herself in.
and not Obama or his henchmen can save her.

Bob Kerrey: Scott Brown’s a creationist.

National Review: Slimy, sleazy, lies!

Blue Texan: Why does the National Review deem being thought to hold a core belief of the vast majority of Republican Party slanderous?

Hope that helps.

or Vicki Kennedy who lends an entitlement aura to the whole debate.

When you see Obama and company descending upon MA, they know they have something to worry about, that sadly is their own doing.

And when Coakley takes office and votes the straight Democorp line, don’t complain about how the Democrats have sold out to the fatcats because that’s exactly what you voted for.

Great question and I agree the current hcr bill are nothing but a wealth stream for the hrc corporations and if not severely changed they should be killed. On the other hand IF that is your only issue then don’t vote for her. If you care about all the other issue we progressives yearn to fix. then wouldn’t you want a Dem in that seat and a Puke who would everything to be the vote of NO for anything this Administration & Congress are trying to do. Especially after much to much time of the right wing brand of Governance!

There is a significant political divide in beliefs about the origin of human beings, with 60% of Republicans saying humans were created in their present form by God 10,000 years ago, a belief shared by only 40% of independents and 38% of Democrats.

That’s a lot of people who take Genesis as the be all to end all. I wonder how many of them work in the science fields.

Did Adam and Eve learn how to do it by watchin’ dinosaurs, or mebbe DINOs?

I never cease to wonder how Bob Kerrey, a SEAL who lost a leg in VN, and John McCain, a POW in VN, can continue to support wars.

imo it’s a really complicated situation. i’m leading towards a write in protest vote. but i’m not sure. it’s going to be a hard one….

Far be it for me to be the defender of every post but I missed the slimy coating you attribute here.

Republicans as a group disbelieve in evolution by a margin of 2 to 1. Yet they don’t wish to be painted with the same sort of brush that they so often apply to Democrats. They have a love for calling Democrats socialists and communists. Using innuendo and guilt by association are among their favored tools for dealing with those with whom they disagree. During the election Obama was attacked relentlessly because of his supposed associations with Rev. Wright and Ayers. Just google “obama associations” and select from a range of real slimming in action.

BT was simply showing that these folks can dish it out but they whimper and whine when anything remotely comparable happens to them. This was just a trivial example of their constant manufactured outrage.

no. it doesn’t help much, BT.
If 60% of texans think that that wiping one’s ass with cactus is a good idea, does that mean that Blue Texan has bloody britches?

Uh, folks, there’s a bigger problem here:

I’m not surprised that 60% of ‘pugs think man was created 10,000 years ago, Heck, what right-think patriot wouldn’t give more credence to mythology than science and logic?

But almost 40% of dems believe it, too? wtf?!

Jeebus. Per the discussion in these parts the last few weeks, there might be even less difference between the two wings of Government Sachs than we realized.

Houston, we got a problem…

Because it’s in their respective economic interests?

Check out these video’s of Scotty boy!!
Scott Brown wonders if Obama was born out of wedlock
Scott Brown praises Sarah Palin; suggests Obama born out of wedlock
And you want this schmuck as a Senator? Shit he would lower the IQ of the pukes by 30 points!!

and far from my heart is defending idiot creationists. I just don’t advocate adopting ignorance and idiocy because the other kids did it first.

(My point, however, was that BT didn’t need to use the Kerrey quote hook to make the point)

That’s a lot of people who take Genesis as the be all to end all. I wonder how many of them work in the science fields.

i had a friend who while she was in grad school (a biological science to boot) told me that she believed in genesis, not evolution. i asked her which creation story in genesis she believed. turned out she hadn’t ever read genesis (i had, which gave me some cred). took some time but before she graduated, she was saying that evolution and believing in a god as creator of all weren’t contradictory beliefs (that is the line i took, and i even happen to think it is true. not that i believe in anything like her idea of god).

haven’t talked with her in ages though. actually since the afghanistan war but not by my choice. she was so pissed off with me for being against the war she said she didn’t want to talk with me any more. that made me sad, but at least there is one less scientist out there claiming evolution is contradicted by god.

Good luck in your choice but you do have to consider how much that would hamstring any real effort at any banking Reform and so much more that needs to be repaired after so long under the right wing brand of governance that has destroyed the middle class ans sent so much of the wealth to the 1%’ers! We can’t let that go on it! must be changed!

I hope this republican takes the seat, put an end to this 60 vote debacle and any notion that this is still a fcking working democracy. The system is broken, we need to illustrate this in the most powerful way possible. That means breaking this 60 seat majority mirage.

That’s a lot of people who take Genesis as the be all to end all. I wonder how many of them work in the science fields.

‘Evangelistic’ scientist tapped to lead National Institute of Health
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/09/man-new-testament-first-hand-nih/

The scientist chosen by President Barack Obama to lead the National Institute of Health has a controversial history of mixing politics with faith.
…
Profiled in Bill Maher’s acerbic anti-religion documentary, Religulous, Collins asserts that the same level of evidence needed to assert a proof in science isn’t necessary for Jesus and the resurrection, and defends his faith using the New Testament as a basis — referring to it as “first hand accounts.”

Holy fucknuts.

An even better demonstration of the mirage would be if the dems had a 65, 70, 0r 75 seat majority. Congress could be 100% dem, they’d still be ‘pug lite. It would be worth it just to watch Nancy, Harry, and Obama try to explain why they couldn’t enact the dem platform!

Bravo, Teddy.

I guess this is the new FDL party line: vote for a corporate whore like Coakley, then sit around with our thumbs up our asses and complain because the Democrats are..hmm..corporate whores.

Read the first two words in the headline. Maybe that will help.

For selise. Damn, I coulda sworn I hit the reply link.

All the Western religions see their God as a “creator,” a maker of things, the universe, the earth and all its creatures. In Eastern religions/philosphy everything is just “here” and evolution is viewed as a natural course of events in the universe. The Lakota look to Wakan Tanka, The Great Mystery.

Man, created in the image of an image of God created by Man.

Interesting in that none of the writers of the New Testament were around when Jesus was.

I do agree that the Kerry quote isn’t all that useful and like a few other dumb statements he has made in the past is best left alone. Yet the Republican’s constant falling upon manufactured outrage when they have gone so very much farther is definitely tiring to watch.

Bob Kerry believes in Economic Darwinism, so we should all just relax and applaud?

and I liked the post and support what BT is after here and most all the time. he told Teddy that Teddy missed the point, and I suggested that he might have caused the distraction with the Kerrey stuff. that’s as far as my criticism extends.

I so love the folks who see the King James Bible as the inerrant word of doG. I like to ask them if they can read Shakespeare and understand it without the cheat sheets most copies of his work include. I then point out to them that Shakespeare was a contemporary of King James. Then I ask them how the hell folks sitting in England 1600 years after the time of Christ, translating languages that were not their original language (and were often translations of translations) when they can’t even read Shakespeare without a cheat sheet and it’s nominally the same language.

The usual response at this point is “Well they prayed over the translation”

When I first brought Palin’s “evolving” beliefs on evolution to national attention, in early September 2008, I was asked to be on a lot of radio, both right-wing and progressive. The right-wing stations wanted to debunk my claims. The retort from me that frustrated these wingnuts most was, “Why would Sarah Palin believe any differently from 85% or more of the people at her church?”

Pretty soon, the right-wiong radio appearances dwindled to nothing.

There’s no such thing as evolution.
There’s no such thing as global warming.
Palin is qualified to be President.

¡Ay, caramba!

A couple of questions:]

Does Kerry have a “God” in his heart?

Are there any members of congress, Dem or Rep, that admit to not believing in God?

Bob, you have some splainin to do matey.

jonah goldberg, a diaper load. you know whats boring? being able to predict what someone will say or do everytime they act or open thier mouth. like sarah palin, or rush limbaugh. or rahm emmanuelle. or every single whining moaning bleating troll that shows up here to post on firedog lake. i dont know why you keep coming here walking stick. i can predict what your going to say everytime you do.

THANK YOU for posting this, Blue Texan!!

mystery works for me (mostly agnostic here).

I’ve missed the point before.

I’ll probably miss the point again.

But Bob Kerrey still sucks and said a stupid thing.

I mean, he didn’t really say something about Scott Brown, did he?

He insulted the voters of Massachusetts. Way to go, Bob.

Those statistics, if accurate, are pretty disheartening. Even if it were only 38 percent across the board it would suggest education in the U.S. has failed.

As it is, apparently (on average) half the U.S. population rejects a scientific theory that goes mostly undisputed in every other advanced nation, in favor of a theory primitive people pulled out of their asses thousands of years ago.

Hindus and Buddhists believe that god is within every living thing, it’s just a matter of whether we humans recognize it or not.

The Buddhists also believe that everything in the universe is part of an energy force (which is where “The Force” in Star Wars comes from.) Today we are investigating String and Membrane theories, which are described as energy.

I don’t think most people give this question a lot of
thought and when asked the question they hedge their bets just in case. Don’t want to get struck by lightening.

I think at some point I might have been struck by shortening. :-)

LOL. Is it cold today?

After our spell of single digits and below it’s been a little warmer the past several days. Got into the high 30s once. About 30 today. Still have snow on the ground. Theoretically, it is supposed to reach the 50s by late in the week. Thong weather!
(now which part goes in front again?)

Think about that. The three major religions expound on their belief in brotherhood, love, etc, etc yet people are afraid of heavenly retribution if they don’t believe. Sorry, I can’t live like that.

FOOD FIGHT!!!

Does anybody here know the damn difference between Kerrey and Kerry? JHFC

I couldn’t live like that either. The Rs fit right in since their whole program is fear. Most religions are that way, too. Doesn’t make any sense to me.

Your uninformed comment makes it clear that you have never read,or researhed the new testament.

yep.

Not somebody you should mess with.

Also, should be JHFTC, you left out the tap-dancin’.

A professor of religion wrote a book about the Bible and stated that the writing didn’t begin until 40 years after Jesus died.

They can’t tolerate the notion that their great losses and suffering were useless and the result of being recruited into an unnecessary and destructive process.

It’s like the abused wife and especially abused children. They feel shame to have trusted and been betrayed. Rather deny through praise of the abuser.

I gathered he was only referring to the four Gospels, in which case the statement is accurate.

That is because they are myths designed to serve the purpose of those who promote them. Truth works better.

A lot of people have insulted the voters of Massachusetts.

I always thought there was some conflict in the ideas of God being omniscient and doling out eternal damnation. Omniscience suggests He/She/It knows in advance who will pass or fail His/Her/It’s little morality test. In that case the losers are only created to dwell in eternal torment.

Not a rational act of a perfect being, IMO.

I was just ready to post about the obvious confusion here between the two.

Bob Kerrey – SEAL who lost part of his leg. Went public about shooting up a village, then finding out they killed a bunch of women and children. Dated Deborah Winger, nice person. He can almost keep up with me snow skiing. and I am fast. Really smart dude.

John Kerry – Swift Boater vilified by moron O’Neill and that idiot Corsi. and, yes, the Swift Boaters did missions into Cambodia, just as we bombed in Cambodia, while Nixon said otherwise.

That would be pretty funny to quite a few people.

Well, Scott Brown does wonder if Obama was born out of wedlock…!

VOTE FOR SCOTT BROWN ON JANUARY 19TH! A VOTE FOR BROWN IS A STATEMENT TO OBAMA, PELOSI AND RACIST REID THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! WE NEED COMMON-SENSE SOLUTIONS TO OUR NATIONAL SOCIAL PROBLEMS, NOT RADICAL CHANGE THAT WILL BANKRUPT THE COUNTRY! VOTE FOR SCOTT BROWN ON JANUARY 19TH!

[Mod Note: Let's try with inside voice, mm-kay?]

Just an FYI,many beleivers’also loath organized religion of any ilk.I as a beleiver ,limit my church attendance to wedding ceremonies.Loving my fellow man ,means loving ALL humans,without any qualifiers.The very second that I label someone,I have already made a judgement.This and this alone was the message of Jesus Christ.The rest is distortion.

Thank you perhaps I misunderstood.

Next you’ll be complaining that the speed of light matched to the distance to the farthest stars requires that the universe be more than 6000 years old. Whereas everyone knows that space is just a sophisticated trick that the creator setup to test the faith of the righteous. Once you have faith, facts can often get in the way.

As for a lack of education it seems fairly certain “Let No Child Take Tests That Are Not Multiple Choice” was intended to address this issue. Nice to know that that particular problem was fixed by Change.

I have always enjoyed the fact that Stalin was a big fan of Lysenko who denounced biologists and ideas like natural selection. Lysenkoism became institutionalized in the USSR and his ideas contributed to widespread crop failures because the Soviets weren’t interested in looking at the inheritability via genes. So the anti-evolutionary folks are unwittingly in league with old-guard soviets and equally unimpressed with science.

Crisco??

That’s absolutely true! He didn’t get married until he was 31.

You’d best tell that to the Biblical scholars. Bart D. Ehrman, Ph.D.
Professor of Religious Studies, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill has a very informative course on the New Testament. You might try it. You can get it at The Teaching Company.

Not only have I read the New Testament, I’ve studied it. I’ve also studied the other early Christian texts, most notably those found at Nag Hamadi.

See my #24…. i’ll take a Saint Paulie Girl…

Long time ago, might have been Fluffo.

RACIST REID

Dude even those of us that aren’t voting because we don’t live in MA need something a bit more persuasive than goofy statements like that.

LOL!! Still ugh!

Been a long time since I read it, might have still been in the first edition.

This is a really stupid post. I have been hearing great stuff about FireDogLake around the Net but it is disappointing when I read stupid shit like “So, since Scott Brown is a Republican, it’s statistically a very safe bet that he’s also a flat-earther” just because 68% of Republican are.

Wouldn’t it have been better if the Corporocrat Kerrey had just taken the time to find out what his position is?

some funny comments, though.

Thank you. I will check it out.

What is a stupid post? This one has caused quite a conversation and it seems to me that’s the purpose.
Some of the posts (and there are many of them) go “in the weeds” but others just seem to write themselves when something stupid is said, especially by a Dem.
Lighten up – if you want heavy, stick around. the next 2 hours should please you.

You’ll note Bob Kerrey isn’t the subject of the headline.

Sigh.

Let’s try this: why does the National Review think being called a creationist is a smear, when Sarah Palin and 70% of Republicans are?

It always strikes me as disingenuous when a commenter claims they are giving up on FDL on the basis of a single post, or sometimes just a single comment.

A.D. 65?……..Gospel of Mark

A.D. 50–60?…..Pauline Epistles

A.D. 80–85?…..Gospels of Matthew and Luke, book of Acts

A.D. 80–100?….Deutero-Pauline Epistles,

A.D. 85–105?….Pastoral Epistles

A.D. 90–95?…..Gospel of John

A.D. 95?……..Book of Revelation

A.D. 110–130?…Gospels of Peter and Thomas

From Prof Ehrman’s study guide

Book Salon a couple of flights upstairs with Andrew Ross Sorkin’s Too Big to Fail: The Inside Story of How Wall Street and Washington Fought to Save the Financial System – and Themselves hosted by Felix Salmon

As I mentioned, it’s been a long time. Ink wasn’t even dry when I read it.

Yeah, that’ll teach ‘em! In fact, let’s elect all Republicans in 2010, and again in 2012.

Then we’ll have them right where we want ‘em.

[/crazy person]

LOL Greek or Eastern Church Aramaic?

Greek, it came with a coupon for gyros.

Riehl World View: Lieberman Not Endorsing In MA Senate Race – Riehl World View – 3 hours ago

(Has anybody seen this yet?
)

ROFLMAO Aww, man, yer killin’ me here.

Sorry for the delay. My stellar less than dial-up speed DSL is really pissin’ me off. Callin’ Bright House Tuesday. Fuck Verizon.

I’m confused. Is it Bob Kerrey of Nebraska or John Kerry of Massachusetts who is hammering Brown for being just like all the other Republicans?

Scott Brown wonders if he’ll be elected out of deadlock….

If Sen. Coakley turns out to be much further to the Right than Ted Kennedy was, then it means we’ll have to look to another state (or two) for some Liberal candidates to take up the cudgel.

Just so you know, Bright House has the broadband set for levels now (they just added a fourth) I’m paying $49.95 for what was the mid level (they do offer a six month discount though most of the time). I think sometimes they block the traffic for me just to show they can do so and p*ss me off – no proof but it does seem to happen more frequently than it used to do before they set up the ‘levels’

Because both were in the elite groups who are considered warriors. Navy SEALs do a lot of killing as a matter of routine and John Kerry’s Swift boats were used to insert said SEALs into the areas where they were going to kill people. Not exactly your typical antiwar veterans.

What I find very scary here is the stat that 40% of independents and 38% of Democrats hold with the creationist bullshit. Numbers like that make a president Palin quite a possibility.

My friend Joe has Bright House RoadRunner Lite and he’s really happy with it but doesn’t do much more than email. I have a number of questions I want to ask when I call and I’ll bring that up, thanks. Folks in Orlando bitched to BH just before Xmas about not being able to get certain common sites. BH said they were “working on it.” Hated them when I had cable. I’ll go wireless if I have to but that can be sporatic as well. Oh, well.

I rode Swift boats, was on some of those operations and made incursions into Cambodia. Took a while but it changed me.

Geez, it’s that fool from Nebraska, Kerrey.
Like Raven said, does anyone here know the freakin’ difference btw the two?

I was a Marine SD and it changed all of us, but some never changed, cf. Eric Prince.

Yeah, you’re right about that.

Aww there they go again bringing up the Kooky Bible Stuff again. It was wrong when they said Mother Sarah Palin looked like Carrie’s mother in the republican horror movie “Carrie”.

http://kindertrauma.com/images/movies/mom/mom3.jpg

And now they go saying that “Shorts-stained Brown” is a nutjob bible thumper. Well that tears it! Enough is enough. We need Fox news to sort this out. Glenn,Billy, Sean, please give me the “real” facts.

Well, the obvious thing to do is have Jonah or some real journalist ask Brown to deny he is a creationist.

Has it occurred to you, BT, that the NR might *know* that Brown is not a creationist and is, therefore, completely correct that what Kerrey said is a smear?

To paraphrase H.L. Mencken, “no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”
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Yep. Turns out that Scott Brown is *not* a creationist. Way to go, BT: claiming that a slam based on a falsehood qualifies as a “zinger.”

You know, this kind of crud doesn’t help people like EW fight off the Krugmans. Do everyone – including yourself – a favor and just ask Jane to delete the whole silly thread.

Let’s try this again:

Why does the National Review think being called a creationist is a smear, when Sarah Palin and 70% of Republicans are?

Yeah, reading comprehension’s apparently not your strong suit (see 112, and answer that question).

You offer no evidence of your posit. Twice, you offer no evidence to back up your posit, and then you trash the site and the thread and the thread author . . . . way to play to your audience! Yer making great inroads be being considered credible.

twobeers, that’s exactly what I was thinking: WTF?!

If that’s really true that 38% of Dems, 60% of Repugs, 40% of Independents are creationists …. with a 50/50 split on evolution vs creationism, we as a species are totally screwed.

I guess it’s true, BT, that my reading comprehension is weak because I can’t tell if you are now claiming that Scott Brown is a creationist or that a slam which is based on a falsehood still counts as a “zinger.” (I do know, since you and others have brought up reading comprehension, that you all are aware that this is the only issue that I’ve commented on.)

As to the evidence for my posit (wow, I’ve not seen “posit” used as a noun for a while – cool), I’m tempted to point out that one line of such has been on the same site to which BT links since yesterday afternoon, but I’d rather go for the unsubstantiated hat-trick, instead.