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Growing Up bin Laden: Osama’s Wife and Son Take Us Inside Their Secret World
It can be all too easy to separate ourselves – mentally, emotionally, physically – from those we perceive as our enemies. We classify them as “other,” as monsters or psychopaths or subhuman, in part because doing so helps us process some of the terrible actions in the world. Aberrance at that level requires no explanation, we think, only condemnation. But this distance can prevent an understanding of the context of evil, and impede the processes by which we might comprehend and combat it in its various forms. Jean Sasson therefore does us a tremendous service in her new book, Growing Up bin Laden, by showing us the contours of lives far beyond our experience, uncovering the realities of individuals and circumstances we rarely get to see.
In doing so, Jean manages both to convey a vivid picture of Najwa and Omar bin Laden, the wife and son of Osama bin Laden, and to explore the broader cultural, religious, and ideological influences that affected (and effected) the world around them. Growing Up bin Laden is masterful in part because it weaves the personal stories of two interesting, sympathetic people within a broader context of the events leading up to and after 9/11, presenting it all through perspectives most of us never experience or even hear about. As Jean explains, much of Osama’s life was hidden even from his immediate family, but some elements permeated their lives in ways both obvious and subtle.
The narrative is presented almost exclusively in first-person, alternating between Najwa and Omar; we hear more from Najwa at the beginning of the book, and more from Omar toward the end, with Jean occasionally using her own voice to provide details or context. Ultimately, the book does not “explain” Osama bin Laden or his actions, but that isn’t its intent – no person or work could ever accomplish that feat. Rather, it tells the story of two people whose lives provide a backdrop to some of the most momentous events in recent history.
Growing Up bin Laden also suggests, though without explicitly saying, that people are not simply born the way they become, for good or for ill. You can be born into privilege and stability and become a murderous ideologue; you can be inculcated with militarism from an early age and become a peace activist. The “how” and “why” of terrorism and hatred are too often cast in political terms, as wimpy liberal excuse-making on one hand and reductive conservative oversimplification on the other. This book, without a hint of agenda or ideological bias, provides examples rather than arguments, giving the reader much to think about, both in terms of the individual lives presented and the broader political and philosophical implications.
I do not mean to imply, of course, that Growing Up bin Laden is dense – it is a spectacularly engaging and entertaining read. On a personal level, I couldn’t help being utterly fascinated with the Omar sections of the book; he is barely a year older than I, and I felt a sense of “There but by the grace of God . . .” as I read the account of his young life. Having written a book that addressed a major part of my own life, I understand the fear and uncertainty of putting yourself out there in service of an important story, but more broadly, I also related to the general struggle of trying to find one’s way ahead as a young adult.
Najwa’s tale is perhaps even more compelling, and reflects Jean’s incredible skills as a writer and storyteller. The accounts are purely from Omar and Najwa, but make no mistake: getting the narrative, the details and the flow and the arc, is a monumental task, and Jean achieves a seamless result. This is no surprise – she is a bestselling author, but more than that, she truly understands the Middle East. She spent years living there, and it’s hard to think of another journalist who has done more to highlight and explore the lives of women in the region. With the rights of women arguably the moral challenge of our time, as slavery and totalitarianism were in previous centuries, Jean’s contributions are instructive, captivating, and vital.
So without further exposition, it’s my pleasure and privilege to introduce Jean Sasson, a journalist, humanitarian, activist, and best-selling author of Growing Up bin Laden: Osama’s Wife and Son Take Us Inside Their Secret World. Please join us in the comments for a discussion!



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Jean, Welcome to the Lake.
AJ, Thank you for Hosting the Book Salon.
Good afternoon everybody, and welcome! We’re just getting started, so I imagine it will be a moment before everybody settles in and gets comfortable, so I’ll start with a few questions for Jean and you should all please feel free to jump in as we go. And just as a quick personal note, it’s a pleasure to be back at FDL! It’s been over a year since I hosted the salon for Richard Clarke’s latest, and nearly two years (!!) since he hosted the one for my book here, so I feel like a veteran of these great events, and I also feel very much at home in such a vibrant, engaged progressive community.
Thanks so much — it is my pleasure to be here. Jean
Thanks, AJ… Jean
Jean, I wonder if you might start us off just talking about how this project came to be? It’s a little different from the kind of things you’ve done in the past, and I’m sure the story of how it came about is an interesting.
Yes, you are right — it was a very different project, although just as rewarding. It all started in February 2008 when I received an email from a Bin Laden, saying that Omar Bin Laden wanted me to write the story of his life. I thought it was a crank email initially, but there was a telephone number listed and I knew the Egyptian code, so I called Cairo and spoke with Omar Bin Laden. At first I was not sure this was a book I should write. There were several reasons for this. I tend to limit my writing to stories of courageous women. So I told Omar that I would help him find someone else. Omar and his wife Zaina only wanted me to do the book, and after I said I didn’t think I could do it, Najwa (Omar’s mother) wrote me a beautiful letter (in Arabic) telling me about her very brave and sensitive son. After receiving that letter, I called Omar and asked if his mother might consider participating, and IF SO, I would write the book. Much to my surprise, Najwa agreed, and so the rest is history… Jean
Good afternoon and welcome to FDL Jean and welcome back AJ.
Jean, I have not had an opportunity to read your book but do have a question.
We often (in the Traditional Media in the US) seem to paint bin Laden as a tenth century type. Did you get that impression from his wife and son? Did they appear to accept the 20th/21st century or am I playing to the stereotype here?
Hi… I found it to be mixed. In so many ways it was clear that Osama was living his life as he would in ancient times, yet he was totally involved in modern life when it came to military hardware and the latest automobiles. And, while Najwa lived in Purdah, she still had many interests we associate with a modern woman — painting, daily exercising, etc. Omar, on the other hand, is a moderate Muslim and longed for modern conveniences as he father was forbidding even the use of the refrigerator! I hope this answered your question…
Welcome.
Refute the dialysis story (I think I heard you do it on cspan, but there are Qs about it here from time to time).
Is Bin Laden still alive? Is he healthy? When was the last time Omar and Najwa had contact with him. Do they agree with the CIA on the authenticity of the videos & audios he has released?
What was the hardest part about gathering their stories? As I noted in the introduction, obviously these accounts don’t just come from Najwa and Omar in smooth, chronological, engaging narrative form. How difficult was it to get the aspects of the stories you were looking for, and how did you approach the challenges that arose?
Indeed you did.
As a technical note, in the lower right hand of each comment there is a “Reply” button. If you click on that, it will pre-fill the name and comment number that you are replying to (and allows all to follow the conversation more easily)
Omar and Najwa both say in the strongest terms that Osama never had dialysis. In fact, both say he had kidney stones on occasion. They swore that the only health issues Osama endured was, and I will list: Kidney stones, bouts of malaria, plus coughed a lot from his time fighting the Russians when he became sick there. Lastly, he came close to death once when he fell off one of his son’s horses…
Omar listens to the Osama audio tapes (at my request — it is very painful for him in fact — and he tells me that it IS his father on those tapes. His knows his father’s voice better than anyone I know, so I trust him. Plus, I have found that Omar never lies — he tells the truth even when it is not good for him to do so. The last time Omar saw his father was in the middle of 2001. Najwa saw him last on September 9, 2001.
AJ, the greatest difficulties in getting the stories was linked to the language barriers. Although Omar speaks English, it is his second language and this book required a LOT of detail. Najwa speaks a little English but not conversational — I speak a little Arabic, but not good enough to interview someone. I had a friend who called Najwa for me on occasion and the three of us would be on the phone, but the bulk of her information came from questions I wrote in English, had translated to Arabic (by a friend from Lebanon) and then Najwa returned her Arabic answers to me and then I sent her answers to my trusted friend, and he translated into English. WHEW! THEN, I would finally start the writing process. That’s why it took nearly two years… Jean
Good, and thanks for the tip…. Jean
Have you stayed in touch with Najwa and/or Omar? Have they ‘read’ (had translated) the book?
Does the book mention the close relationship between the Bush and bin Laden families or how and why the bin Laden family was hustled out of the u.s. in the dark of night after 9-11?
Yes. I speak with Omar nearly every day. We have a very special friendship. We chat about many things going on in his life, from the family members just discovered in Iran, to his future plans. He has a very complicated life due to his name, as you might guess. Due to the language barrier, I do not speak with Najwa very often, but there are times we just say hello over the phone.
When I was writing the book, I sent them every chapter to make sure there were no misunderstandings. I wouldn’t risk waiting until the book was published… While they are very proud of the book in every way, neither can understand the false claims made online by bloggers or sometimes by journalists, about the book. Such false information is very upsetting to them both, as you can imagine.
No, because I was writing Omar and Najwa’s story and neither of them knew a thing about that event. After living so long away from Saudi Arabia, neither Najwa nor Omar were that familiar with all the family members and didn’t know what they were up to. Therefore, that story had nothing to do with them since they knew nothing about it. They probably do not know about it to this day, in fact.
I think I remember from your cspan appearance that they both got out before 9/11, although I see from your earlier answer that they didn’t leave at the same time. I don’t remember if you covered the details, so if you could fill in. Did OBL tell them something was going to happen and they should leave for their own safety? Or some other scenario? Are they the only members of his family who left before 9/11. Did any leave after?
Have they become acquainted with any members of the more extended Bin Laden clan?
AJ, re your introduction, the first thing I did after 9/11 (live in Manhattan) was try to find out about terrorism, OBL, etc. I was completely ignorant about those matters, could barely find Afghanistan on the map. It took awhile, but not that long to figure out that OBL is motivated by U.S. & Israel foreign policy. So I do not consider him evil. I may not agree with his tactics, but I understand (or think I do) why he acts.
Well, Omar took his mother out in 1999 for her to have her 11th child in Syria. He did not want her to return, but she had been forced by Osama to leave two of her younger children, so she felt she had to return. Omar then went back once in early to mid 2001 because his grandmother (Osama’s mom) told him that her son was angry with him (Omar). When Omar was there, he was warned once again by friends to leave, that something big was happening. Osama never warned either of them. Omar pleaded with his mother to leave with him again, but she felt she could not leave her little children. As time went on, she became more concerned, although she knew nothing about the military aspect of her husband’s activities. She finally got up the nerve in Septemer to ask Osama if she could go to Syria. Once again, he kept two of the younger children with him. But, after 9/11, Najwa couldn’t go back, so 6 of her 11 children were lost to her. Only in the past few months has she discovered that they were in Iran the entire time — a big shock to all of us — we thought they were dead or living around their father — but none of them saw Osama from the day they fled Afghanistan.
Yes, Omar came to know his cousins and some of his aunties and uncles after he got his Saudi passport back and returned to Saudi Arabia in mid 2000… Najwa has always known them, but not that well. But she has not been back to Saudi Arabia since the birth of Ladin (Bakr) during the years they were living in Sudan and she only went back that once for the birth of her child.
Yes, I had forgotten about the recent news revealing the Bin Ladens in Iran. So they are Najwa’s children? Has she been in touch with them?
A lot of people share your opinion. It seems he is motivated in part by the foreign policy of our country (and Israel) but he is also of the belief that everyone in the world should be Muslim and the world should be ruled by a Muslim leader, so he has several motivations.
Yes, all of her children but Sa’ad are there — He was there, but escaped, and has not been heard from since. She is talking to one of her daughters, Iman, who is in the Saudi Embassy. Ladin, who is now a teenager (he was the little boy in the book pleading with Omar and Najwa not to leave him… He broke my heart! But, he is now with his mother in Syria. Hopefully all the kids can soon rejoin their mother. I would be over the moon if that happened. None of these children were Al-Qaeda.
Even to the extent that’s true, I’m not sure that tactics are unrelated to normative moral judgment. That is, I think to a large extent tactics (i.e., actions) are themselves what make a person good, evil, or somewhere in between. I don’t have any problem saying that Osama is evil, but I do think it can be a dangerous fallacy to lump in too many other people within that rubric. Part of understanding the “why” about people isn’t just the motivation, but how that motivation is manifested, I think. After all, I disagree with a lot of U.S. foreign policy too! But how I deal with that disagreement is pretty different than how al Qaeda does : )
Jean, regarding Omar, I don’t want to seem like a Pollyanna, but there was one part of his account that I thought was touching — I’m a huge animal lover, and I see from your website that you are as well. I’m just curious whether you think there’s any importance or significance to the kind of compassion and empathy that a lot of “animal people” have; certainly there are programs in prisons, for example, where animals are part of rehabilitation. Did you have any impressions about that element of Omar’s story, either in the context of his life, or your own?
Well, certainly many many people in the Middle East agree with Osama. In fact he is a hero to many people, still. They seemed to have turned against him in Iraq because Al-Qaeda Iraq killed so many innocent Iraqis. As for me, I detest war and violence and killing. I’m not saying there are not times when one has to go to war to keep from being overrun; as in World War II, but it would be nice if humans could reach a state where we could reach compromise without trying to kill each other. I think Osama has a lot of blood on his hands and the thing that shocked me was how he celebrated the loss of innocent life — very rare to see someone leaping up and down with joy when they murder innocent people.
Well, if you’re talkin’ tactics, then W falls into the evil category. For me, the imbalance of power makes a big difference on how I regard tactics. I hold people with a lot of power much more responsible than people with little power. OBL doesn’t have much power.
That as one point that attracted me to Omar, his sensitivity to animals. I do think that animal lovers are the nicest people. I’ve found on many occasions that when people dislike animals, that I really can’t find any common ground, and many times, they seem harsh in all their undertakings…
Thanks for reminding me of the religious part. I have trouble understanding why anyone is religious so I tend to overlook that, to my detriment.
Certainly people in power should be more circumspect in how they use their power. Generally I am disappointed in most people who attain great power. While Osama might not have held power in the traditional sense, he was certainly powerful in his circle.
Well, to many people in the world, religion is the most important aspect of life. And certainly in the Muslim world, religion sets the pace for every moment of the day. Although Omar is a moderate Muslim, religion is still a huge part of his daily life. Islam guides every moment of a Muslim’s life.
So Jean, also with ref to AJ’s intro, how did Omar shape his life? I’m sorry I haven’t read the book. I intend to, thought I’d do it after I saw you on cspan, thought I’d do it before today… If intentions were actions…
Thank you for being here.
Would it be indelicate or disrespectful to ask how you came to choose this venue ?
(FDL has been the recipient of some unflattering and ,imho, unwarranted criticism in the media of late on matters unrelated to the subject matter of your book at hand.)
Irrespective of collateral issues, welcome and thank you for allowing participation and insight on this ever evolving paradigm.
Yes, I know that intellectually, but do not incorporate that knowledge enough in the way I think about things. I should probably visit a Muslim country to see how it works. Would you suggest one? My only contact is with Pakistani taxi drivers in Manhattan, who are quite engaging to talk to about what is going on in the Islamic world, much better informed, of course, than the average American.
Omar has really struggled. When he returned to Saudi Arabia, he wanted his life to be completely normal, the same as his cousins. But he had been away for so long, plus his father had basically kept his sons from attaining much education, so he was so behind in every way. Because he was the only Bin Laden to criticize Osama, he was asked to do a lot of media. Omar soon realized that he wanted most of all to commit himself to non-violence, to take the opposite stance of his father, who was sending young men out as suicide bombers. He has enjoyed only limited success because he is held back by his command of English, so I am encouraging him to take English lessons. I think many people would go to hear Omar speak personally about his life, and his impressions of his father. But, first, he has to be prepared and able to command the stage. While he is certain this is the course he wants to take, he must be prepared… I’m hoping this book will put him out there so he can spread a message of tolerance and peace. He is certainly a fine young man whom I admire, and I don’t think anyone outside his immediate family knows Omar’s character any better than I do, after all this time of getting to know him and having personal experience.
Thanks a lot… I’m very pleased to be here. Although I don’t always agree with every person I meet on every issue, I am one for dialogue. I have found the folks at this Book Salon to be truly lovely.
Read the thread she already explained.
There’s nothing quite like personal experience. I am so happy that I lived in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia for 12 years. During that time and after, I visited every Middle Eastern country. I have friends in nearly every country, so when I visit, I stay in the homes of my friends. Such has given me great insight. I suggest that you go to Egypt first, and branch out from there. I will tell you that despite the bad press the Arab world often gets, in 30 years of living and traveling in the Middle East, I have never once been mistreated. In fact, the opposite. I have found Arab people to be some of the kindest and most friendly people in the world. Lucky me! (smile)…
His wiki, which undoutedly has a lot of misinformation, sez that he is trying to do a North African horse race for peace. Is that true, and if so, where does that stand?
Well, I’m sorry that WIKI has a LOT of misinformation about many things. I used to refer to them but no more. Yes, Omar attempted to have a horse race for peace, but several of the countries would not agree. Also, there was some concern about the horses racing across the hot desert… He has a few things he is working on at the moment, but nothing has been finalized. He loves horses so much, I hope that he will attempt once again for the horse race, so long as he can get others onboard, plus make certain that the horses will not suffer any bad effects.
Thank you for your gracious reply.
I have learned a great deal from these salons-on a variety of subjects- over the past couple of years.
And perhaps that which is most illuminating is just how much we can actually learn when we actively choose light over heat in our dialogues.
Thanks. Egypt it is. Though don’t know how soon I’ll be able to swing it. I’ve done quite a bit of quirky reading about Egypt (e.g. Alexandrian Quartet, but also listened to history books on the Nile, and just last year found Bartle Bull’s books at the library in audio form, can’t get more quirky than that), so I wonder if the actual will bear any relation to the picture in my mind.
There is extensive discussion within policy and law enforcement communities about the idea of “counter-radicalization,” the hope that individuals who are sympathetic to or involved with extremist ideology can be swayed somehow. Do you think there are lessons for us in that arena, from both but perhaps especially from Omar’s life and experience?
The description was for week long rests along the way, so I thought that would take care of the horse health problem.
“Aberrance at that level requires no explanation, we think, only condemnation. But this distance can prevent an understanding of the context of evil, and impede the processes by which we might comprehend and combat it in its various forms. ”
I love that quote. Its the difference between seeing the world as a place with some monstrous other people in it, plotting to commit or commiting acts of extreme evil, or that as human beings we are all potentially monstrously evil. I loved Ray Fiennes portrayl of Plaszow commander Amon Goeth because he captured that truth. Its a waste of time time condemn those who do evil unless we are contantly reminding that there but for…and it CAN “happen here”
Egypt will NOT disappoint… I used to go there on weekends from Saudi Arabia and fell in love with the country and the people from the first day. Fascinating in every way. Never will I forget sailing on the Nile and stopping by and visiting simple, ordinary Egyptians. My ex could speak Arabic so it was a lovely experience. I do so hope that you go. After that, you’ll want to explore more of the Arab world. It’s very exotic in many ways, yet filled with warm & friendly people. At least that was my experience. Wish I could leave for Eygpt tonight! You’ve made me miss it!
Yes, indeedy….
I just reread your answer to me about how Omar developed himself. New appreciation for how hard it must be for him. For a large part of the world, his father is Public Enemy No. 1. Can’t be easy to carry that burden.
I travel by myself, am a “senior” woman. I usually just point and hold out handfuls of coins or paper money, and let the locals pick out what they are owed. Works fine if you don’t speak the language or understand the currency. And it’s about the only interaction you can get with locals if you don’t have any contacts.
People defend what they know. Sometimes in defense, they become malicious, and yes, even evil. Osama started out helping fellow Muslims in Afghanistan, then became so caught up with the struggle that he slowly grew into a person who could murder a child and celebrate that death because it was a Christian child or a child from the west. I often think what he could have done with his life — wealth, influence — think of the people he could have helped, of the joy he could have produced. Instead, he has brought great misery to so many innocent people.
So, there is a lesson for all humanity. Although defending our way of life is not bad, when one can murder another human, then all control has been lost and we have become a force for evil, rather than good…
It’s not easy — I have seen firsthand how Omar suffers. He is very depressed much of the time. He is a son who loves his father, but does not love his father’s actions. It’s a terrible dilemma for him.
Gosh, I’ll bet you are popular wherever you go (smile)… I do realize how fortunate I am to have personal friends in the Middle East. But, if you go to Egypt, ask around for a woman’s group of some type and ask for an invitation. You’ll meet individuals in that manner and first thing you know, you’ll be invited into their homes for a delicious meal…
Thanks for the kind words : )
Good way to contrast the route he chose with the route he might have chosen. Even so, most of the ringleaders of AQ, while not as important as OBL, are well educated and could also have chosen a different path. Zawahiri, for example, is a medical doc (I think) and could have improved people’s conditions directly. Instead he chose to kill. It is the accumulation of all of these well educated Muslims against Israel & the U.S. that is an important key. Of course, they are a tiny minority of well educated Muslims but they are the ones that are worried about, and they cannot be dismissed as brainwashed.
From my knowledge, I do not believe you can sway a person who has already embraced radical ideals. You might keep someone from becoming radical but you can’t reverse it. Although American foreign policy has played a role, a bigger role has been the enormous propaganda against the west which is so prevalent in the Middle East. Many many false impressions about Americans, as well as other westerners, are so rampant that it’s difficult to change hearts and minds. Also, our culture of total freedom is difficult for many people to understand.
To this day Omar believes that Al-Zawahiri was the most negative force in his father’s life. He oftens says that if only his father had not has those violent men around him, that he would have never taken such extreme measures.
I don’t buy a lot so I can afford the loss of bargain that I experience this way. Very good suggestion to hook up with a woman’s group. I would never have thought of it myself. I’m such a loner that I go off wherever with a guide book, local currency, list of things I think I should do & an airplane ticket; not always with hotel reservations for the entire trip. When the plane lands the fun begins.
I have read differing accounts about the brains & braun in that duo, so Omar’s judgement could very well be accurate. But we are also responsible for the company we keep and for the judgements we make about other people.
You sound like a lot of fun — I love your way of inviting adventure… Before you even leave the states you could contact the cultural minister of the country you are visiting and ask the best way to get in contact with locals. I suspect you would have great success with that. People in the Middle East love to show hospitality…
And Jean, I feel very priviledged that we have almost had a dialogue. Don’t know where those other smart FDLers are. They are usually not shy. Anyhoo, their absence has been a rare treat for me.
Growing up bin Laden.
That’s the key. In order to understand how we think and feel about the world around us now we have to understand how we were taught to think and feel about the world around us as a child.
For example:
But for the particular historical period and culture in which I was born….but for the particular family and community in which I was raised…but for the particular experiences and relationships and friendships I had….how would my life be very different today?
“I” and “we” are always deeply and inextricably entangled in the complexity of contingency and chance and change. The idealists however refuse to countenance this. Whether of a theocratic or ideological bent, they insist that they [and only they] have extruded a value system that is universally true. Indeed, civilization and salvation are said to be on the line if others do not agree.
What both liberal and conservative idealists largely eschew is just how complex and convoluted acquiring a sense of identity, a sense of reality really is. And how precariously it is sustained.
Consider for example, the day you were born. For 10 to 12 years hence as a child others will tell you who you are, what you should believe, what you should be against. They will shape and mold you profoundly into viewing the world one way rather than another.
We grow up in these communities and through repeated reinforcements [rewards and punishments] we internalize “a sense of reality”, “a sense of identity” that will in many ways be a part of us until the day we die.
Right?
The crucial point here then is this: Once we become aware of this, is there a way we can then choose which human behaviors, values, moral and political agendas etc. are the most reasonable, the most just, the most worthy of living [or even dying] for?
No, there is not. Instead, we can only strive to construct [and then ceaselessly reconstruct] public/private interactions that allow for the greatest degree of democracy in sustaining a government based on the rule of law.
And even here we have to struggle ceaselessly in turn with the role that political and economic power always plays in stacking the deck.
True… Yet there are times that things can sneak up on us without even realizing the hole we are digging.
I often wonder if Osama has any regrets. Here he is, living apart from his entire family — never seeing his little children, who have suffered dreadfully because of his actions — every day knowing that a very powerful nation and military are doing their utmost to find him and kill him. I often wonder if he were given the chance if he would take a different path. I’d like to ask him that question…
I’ve enjoyed chatting with you very much!
I’ve finding that a lot of bookreaders so hate the name BIN LADEN that they don’t think they would like this book. In fact, it is a treasure trove of information, information that Osama would NOT want them to have. That alone appeals to me (smile)…
You have hit the nail on the head. I see Omar struggling to become what he wishes his father had allowed him to be. It is HARD to make change, even when you wish it more than anything on earth…
Any way you would suggest U.S. could counter anti-U.S. propoganda, considering that U.S. wars against Islam are not likely to end any time soon? And could you expand on your statement about U.S. culture of total freedom being difficult to understand? That is a cultural gap that I will need some instruction to navigate.
Just ordered it on Amazon. Look forward to reading.
Me too.
But as a question of fact, aren’t a large portion of his family presumed to be with him? I think he’s had 5 wives that we know about, 4 at a time, with one divorce. How many children? Where are the other wives & children?
I think that our government must change a few things…we must be more fair…we must not support corrupt regimes that have no support from the “street”.
As individuals, I think we should not live up to the worst of American culture. We need to educate ourselves about the world. I found that children knew more about American than most American adults know about the rest of the world. There is little curiosity about other people and other cultures. When I was in Kuwait after the first Gulf War, I was stunned when I arranged for several people to meet with some Kuwaiti families. Why stunned? Those people went into conservative Kuwaiti homes insisting on having an alcholic drink and pressing the unmarried girls in the family to go on a date! My Kuwaiti friends scolded me and told me to never again ask them to host another American. So, we must learn the do’s and don’t's of under cultures and respect those cultures.
I’m so pleased… I hope you drop me a note after reading it to let me know what you think….
None of the family who lived with him when Najwa and Omar were with him are with him any longer. Perhaps he has taken a new wife, but all the wives and the children in the book are living apart. Some are in Pakistan alone, and some are in Iran. It’s a surprise, I know, but true. SO basically he has given up his entire family to continue on his violent path. He doesn’t seem to care at all about them, in my humble opinion. SHAME ON a man who would take all those wives, have all those children, and then not consider them for a moment.
I will do that.
Superpowers and empires think they don’t need to know about others, as their own culture is so superior everyone ought to try to attain it & give up their own inferior culture. Don’t think that will ever change, although arguably other empires might have been less obtuse than the U.S. The stories you tell are appalling. Just a nodding acquaintance with Islam would avoid such culture gaffs. (BTW, when I visit Egypt, do I need to bring enough scotch for the whole trip with me, concealed in the lining of my suitcase? *grinning*)
I attended a Friday service at 96th & 3d after 9/11. I didn’t know how to behave, so I called them up and asked beforehand. They tried to tell me, but I think I was the first request of that sort that had ever gotten, so they omitted to tell me to leave my shoes at the door when I walked across the floor to go look for the office, as per their instruction. A minor gaff, no harm done.
Was there any backlash from people as a result of your decision to do the book? Either from people you knew, or strangers/reviewers/etc? I can imagine it might be a controversial decision to give voice to Osama’s relatives, despite all the beneficial elements we’ve talked about here …
It’s really been enjoyable to have this dialogue with you all about this book. I am so pleased that I decided to do the story — I came very close to saying no. Along the journey I learned so much about Osama Bin Laden, information that he would not want any of us to have. I am sure that he is shocked that Najwa (his first wife, a woman whom he has never divorced) participated in this effort. I hope that you all get to read the book and that you let me know your impressions.
I’m also hopeful that young Muslim men who read this book (it is coming out in Arabic in a few months) might be impressed by Omar’s belief that violence is not the answer. Omar has seen it up close and personal. There have been so many people who suffered, all the family members losing loved ones in the United States, in Spain, in the UK, in Iraq, in Jordan, in Afghanistan and on and on… I hope this book creates the desire in readers to seek peace and understanding. While many people criticize Omar, once they read his story, they seem to understand that he was as helpless as the passengers on the planes who lost their life without even knowing why. What a waste…
Your response makes me wonder just how long Omar spent with Osama and whether, in fact, he or Omar’s mother was the greatest influence on Omar’s life?
Would Omar ever consider changing his name to make his life easier?
I’m smiling. Try to leave the scotch behind! You’ll be glad you did… Happy journeys! Jean
I didn’t realize that all his family had left Afghanistan or Pakistan or wherever he now is. Must say that I don’t understand polygamy (not that it isn’t understandable) so I don’t know how the typical male with several wives and dozens of kids would feel about his family.
Surprisingly, I got some backlash from western journalists who tried to hint in their reviews that Najwa and Omar might not even exist! Why they wanted to put doubt in people’s minds about the book, I’ll never know. I have had no threats from the Muslim world, however… I keep hoping that Osama will read it and make a comment. That would be exciting…
Thanks so much for the discussion, Jean! And congratulations on such a great book …
Thanks Jean & AJ. Fascinating topic on oh so many levels.
Omar was the closest son to his father — he was the one chosen to accompany his father to Afghanistan in 1996 — the only son, in fact. His father, probably due to his very strong personality, had the greatest influence on Omar although omar loves and respects his mother very much.
No, I asked him once if he would change his name and he was insulted that I even suggested it. He said it would be a slap in the face of his grandfather who traveled from Yemen and created a great empire…
It was a great pleasure. Thank you for having me. Jean
As we come to the end of this Book Salon,
Jean, Thank you for spending the afternoon with is discussing you new book and the Bin Ladens.
AJ, Thank you very much for Hosting today’s Book Salon.
Everyone, if you haven’t bought Jean’s book yet, here is a link.
Thanks all.
This session is about to end! Write to me on my website if you get the chance. Cherio! Jean
And, thank you! You have been so lovely… Stay well! Jean
I will.
Jon Walker is upstairs!
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You sound like a very reasonable person, I must say… Sorry I didn’t get to respond during the salon… Jean
Very interesting discussion and book. Sorry I missed the Salon…