Maybe she should go with Moses.

Great, and get lost in the wilderness for 40 years! Please let that happen.

Beautiful, BT, just beautiful.

You’ve obviously used the librul translations of GW’s words. No worries, just like the Bible, they’ll be coming out with the bullshit real, true Merican translation soon enough.

Why does she admire George Washington?

Probably because she could remember his name.

Jeeze, she couldn’t even remember The Party of Lincoln.

And that just barely.

BTW, just forgot and I did want to mention what a great post this was. Awesome post.

@4, yeah, George W was probably pretty easy for her to remember. (it’s the rest of us that’d like to forget)

George W was probably pretty easy for her to remember.

That explains everything!

Let’s be realistic. We’ve got someone here who is hopelessly illiterate and ignorant. Sarah Palin admires George Washington because – he’s the only member of ‘the founding fathers’ that she could recall. If Beck had asked her, “Name the Founding Fathers’, she’d have gotten to George Washington and gotten stuck (not that 50% of Americans can name all of them either, but still). If she’d really been clever, her answer would have been, “Glen, which group are we discussing? The ‘signers’ (of the Declaration of Independence) or the ‘framers’ (the delegates to the Constitutional Convention)?” That would have shut him up. On the other hand, for those who are curious, see:
http://www.foundingfathers.info/ or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

On “Morning Joe” this morning, Mika Brzezinski brainlessly blurted out that Sarah ought to have said Lincoln. But he wasn’t a Founding Father.

she probably still thinks it’s the Quaker Oats guy on the dollar bill.

While that is true in the sense that Lincoln was not involved in the actual founding of the nation, Lincoln has certainly been included in the group of people whose ideas have formed the basis of modern America.

As the top Republic, Palin certainly can’t abide by this

Washington held that all religions, and nearly all religious practices, were beneficial to humans.

Beck seems to really hate her. After the “bullcrap” comment Palin looks stricken, possibly realizing that she’s just made another “All of them!” moment – and Beck keeps going after her, saying “What, for a beer?” after her “collectively collectilizing” nonsense. You watch – nutbaggers will be going after Beck for this.

P.S. George Mason.

Why the admiration?

Because unlike she or Fox, he could not tell a lie.

Well, I learned in the Prop 8 trial, from Nancy Cott I believe, that George Washington was sterile. Martha was a widow with children from her previous marriage. This sterility was widely known — and viewed as an advantage when Washington became America’s first President. It was thought by the founders that there would never be an heir to proclaim his right to the presidency by inheritance.

No dauphin, no pesky shah-in-exile, no princeling to challenge a president elected legally subsequent to George.

So there’s that.

Totally excellent blog.

If you asked her what denomination features Mr. Clean, she’d probably freeze up.

Modern America was founded by the greatest American, St. Reagan.

Isn’t that Bar Bush, though?

And do Scarborough and Buchanan really subscribe to the “six” founding fathers thing?

…avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty.

Ah, GW and DDE – what’s with those wussy Generals-turned-Presidents, anyway?

Heh heh.

Though the Quakers were pacifists, so they’re not real ‘Merkins either.

@15

George Washington’s New Hatchet

Tradition has it that George Washington, America’s first president, chopped down a cherry tree in his youth. The incident may have been the concoction of an ex-parson turned bookseller, Mason Locke Weems, who first wrote about the incident. According to Weems young George had a new hatchet. Hatchets are meant for chopping wood. The trunk of the supposed cherry tree was, of course, wood, so what better place for George to try out his new tool?

In Weems’ story George gives the tree a good whack and chops it down. His father sees the damaged tree and asks his son if he knows who did the deed. George is reported, in Weems’ writing, to have replied to his father’s query by answering:

“I can’t tell a lie, Pa; you know I can’t tell a lie. I did cut it with my hatchet.”

NOTE: So we go from one hatchetjob, to another.Plus ca change……

hostile to republican liberty

Palin probably thinks Washington was referring to the Republic Party.

Beck is threatened by the competition.

Hey, off topic – but I’m trying to change my password – and can’t. It’s now stuck on [edited to remove password] or some damn thing that I have to go search through my emails to find every time I want to comment and I can’t change my goddamn password. I’ve emailed like three times but get no response (though I still get a million emails from FDL on other things).

And I’m, starting to get a little annoyed, as you may see. Anyone?

[Mod Note: your comment has been passed along to the techies]

I was actually thinking that.

Man I feel so guilty. I can’t stand SP so I feel guilty reading and watching her. But it is so hilarious watching the ignorance that she spews out get routinely lambasted. It’s like hunting baby seals! LOL

She’s retarded. I’m quite serious about this. Her inabilty to stop saying “Obiden” — even after being repeatedly corrected — is but one example of her mental enfeeblement

Mika’s favorite founding father is Lincoln.

AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen Blue Texan and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

The United States of America is once and truly fucked! Let’s look at what passes for politics in our despoiled republic: Sarah Palin attracts serious attention as some kinda political bellweather while the congress and the President sell off what’s left of the country’s income and savings to the pharmaceutical and health insurance mafiosi. The majority party in congress has a 60 vote hold on the Senate and can’t get junior appointments approved for the Justice Department. The sitting President was elected on the promise to end the occupation of Iraq and now has tripled the number of troops in Afghanistan and threatens to expand that war into Pakistan while freezing troop levels in Bagdad. The Secretary of the Treasury is under investigation for playing an essential part in the looting of the federal treasury while in charge of the Federal Reserve in New York and the Chair of the Federal Reserve who oversaw the biggest stock market and banking fraud in the history of capitalism is nominated for re-appointment by the President who was elected to clean up the fuckin mess.

What am I missin here, Firepups….tell me I spent too much time in the sun in Negril and I’m jest hallucinating but don’t give me posts about who Sarah Pallin thinks is the greatest of our founding fathers!!

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN AMMUNITION, WE GOTTA TURN THIS FUCKIN PLACE OUT!!!

Sorry, I posted my before I read the comments.

I raise a glass of grape coolaid. To St. Reagan!

I just went thru the whole get-a-new-password thing lickety-spit.

That would be the 64 convertible with the suicide doors.

Dumber than a bag full of hammers , and still making a boatload of money !

Only in America !!!

George Washington being taken out of context is stupid. Washington was a hero and you distort his history. George Washington wanted no debt left to future generations. Read the Real George Washington. Sarah Palin may be our next president. George Washington shot traitors. Look it up. Progressive, distorted history.

Well I guess I interpret founding fathers much more broadly than others. I’m with Mika.

It does all seem surreal, doesn’t it?

I keep hoping I’m gonna wake up and it was all a dream. Even after all the shit keeps piling up and you’d think I would no longer be surprised, I still get that feeling of “Nah, this CAN’T BE HAPPENING” when I learn about the latest kabuki.

Where does it all end? Cause I’m thinking it’s got no choice but to end ugly, and man that sucks.

Anyone have the link for Troll Bingo?

lickety-split

I had to check on that definition once again. I’ve tended to favor it being the sound train car wheels made crossing from one rail to the next but there have been other explanations. Someone probably knows.

I think if I just got my ass handed to me, I too would go for the “out of context” argument. And it’s precisely because he didn’t want debt that he saw the necessity for, yep, taxes.

BTW, he didn’t shoot “traitors” — he shot deserters.

You’re the one who needs the history lesson.

My post @3 was even more prescient than I thought. Didn’t take long at all.

The Quitter needs a new favorite Founding Father. Maybe she should go with Moses.

Take two tablets and call me in the morning Rapture.

She’s dumb for not remembering Lincoln.

to me founding fathers are the ones who founded the country, by defintion.

Citizen stevepatriquin:

Take a deep breath Junior G-man, of course George Washington was a hero. He was a hero who believed that standing armies were doom for liberty. He was a hero who refused to let the United States get entangled in ANY treaties or conflicts outside our borders. And he was a hero who was completely a man of the 18th century and who if folks like you really understood him and the history he gave you, you would run Sarah Pallin outta the country on a fuckin’ rail! So take a pill now and run back under the bridge before the light of reason fries your last brain cell.

…or maybe lucky. Apparently, she would have been skewered for that, too!

And he absolutely did not torture prisoners, which was the point someone seems to have missed.

I suppose you could argue that Lincoln refounded the country, so he’s a refounding father. *g*

Here’s one. I have the other one on my machine at home.

I guess I’ve always thought of founding fathers as referring to the ideological underpinnings of what exists as America Now. Definitionally, I am wrong.

While we’re busy making asses of ourselves, the Chinese are poking around our servers trying to take out what little competetive advantage we have left.

The forefathers taxed imports and exports. The income tax was from Wilson. The constitution told the government what they could tax and for what the tax was for. Washington was to good of a man to be taking out of context. Read your history from the battle of Brooklyn. Traitors to the cause during battle were to be shot on sight.

…and incidently, but not irrelevantly, I have founding fathers totally mixed up with a mental image of Mt. Rushmore, which clearly does not depict founding fathers.

Sarah probably couldn’t think of anybody else.

Not only that, they were prolly the first ones in with aid for Haiti. From half way around the fuckin’ world and, “Hey, glad to see ya.” Meanwhile, the administration and the geniuses at Heritage are trying to figure out how much money they can suck out of the place.

She also thinks he invented peanut butter.

My favorite founding father is Ben Franklin, because he had talents in so many different areas.

Sarah probably couldn’t think of anybody else.

No need to waste words.

I had never seen this. Very cool…

me, too. Lincoln was not a founding father IMO

Washington was for state militias, in case the Federal govt. got to big. Standing armies in other countries is against the constitution. Treaties were only to be for trade. The UN would not be in America, nor would we be a part of it if we would abide by the founding fathers.

You have to like Ben and he loved the ladies. :)

Standing armies in other countries is against the constitution.

Well thanks for pointing that out. I always wondered why we stuck our noses in other country’s business more often than we needed too. Now that explains why!!

Citizen stevepatriquin:

Enough…you foul with misunderstanding the very history that heroes like George Washington gave us. You don’t have the good sense to know when you are completely out of your league and you spoil the memory of George Washington by even speakin’ his name. So enough, begone from the company of people who elevate reason over ignorant fantasy.

Don’t forget Washington’s preference for smoking hemp: we still have his instructions to his gardener for the cultivation of sinsemilla…

Thanks, moderator, I appreciate it. (The password I left was a joke.)

Don’t you just hate it when a troll shows up lacking the self-awareness to realize they’ve been rebutted, exposed and skewered?

Perhaps I’m projecting on the ladies man aspect. He would have been a fun person to go out with!

And amen on the hemp!

The right to bear arms, which unfortunately had some negative consequences, such as requiring many bears to walk on their hind legs.

No one is taking Washington out of context, or diminishing him in any way. To the contrary-we’re highlghting how Palin, who considers him her favorite Founder, shares none of his values.

“He would have been a fun person to go out with!”

And I bet that powdered wig would have been a big hit

Quiet the womanizer, as well.

Traitors to the cause during battle were to be shot on sight.

You seem a little obsessed with this non-fact, but just curious: is the Quitter running on some traitor-shooting platform that the rest of us are all unaware of?

“Low taxes. Strong defense. Common sense. Shooting traitors!”

PS
Washington supported slavery. Also.

The UN is a horrible idea. It’s so much better to kill and be killed than to talk and listen.

I am a history teacher and know a thing or two on George Washington. Sorry if your version of Washington is not reality. You attack me, but not what I write. Washington would love palin for her love of country. He was a humble man.

Washington invented the one dollar bill.

It might be, that was the only president in her underwear at the end of the night.

I thought Ben didn’t wear a wig. All the pics of him I have in my mind’s eye are wigless, with a scraggly pony tale.

…I am a history teacher

I weep for the Republic.

The Quitta from Wasilla has no problem quitting Alaska, but damn, I just can’t seem to quit her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy2tEP3I3DM

All over every blog and every newscast. Freaky.

I appreaciate the right to bare arms in the summer when I wear tank tops.

I guess the reasoning must be that if it’s unconstitutional for other countries to have standing armies, then there’s no need for any damned UN.

A history teacher loving Palin? What are you thinking?

You wear a gun turret?

Prolly Bible history.

OT
Cato is running a terrorism panel (how to deal with it, not how to do it) on cspan2. There are actually two sides represented. And there is no way that they can speak to each other. It would be funny if it weren’t sad.

Only if they’re airconditioned on the inside.

Traitors to the cause during battle were to be shot on sight.

Isn’t that the textbook definition of a deserter? As was mentioned above? That he shot deserters?

I think what you are looking for is all deserters are traitors but not all traitors are deserters.

The constitution said said land instead of liberty. Washington was instrumental, along with Franklin to change it to liberty. The forefathers knew slavery would be ended by the constitution. The word property would be used to justify slavery by the slave states. Since 1900, with the exception of Taft, every president has made Washington roll in his grave.

I do not love Palin. I respect her though. The next President needs to be an average person. Not a Washington insider.

Thank Jeebuz for that…

The forefathers knew slavery would be ended by the constitution.

Whew, lucky for us we didn’t have a war or anything over it. That would’ve been bad.

Since 1900, with the exception of Taft, every president has made Washington roll in his grave.

If Palin gets elected, he’ll be flipping like a snake with a broken back.

with the exception of Taft, every president has made Washington roll in his grave.

Just think what appearance of a Palin on the national ticket must have done to poor George.

So you want a president who is dumber than a suitcase full of bricks, then? We are still suffering the consequences of the past eight years…or hadn’t you noticed?

The next President needs to be an average person.

No. We’ve already had GWB. What we need is an extraordinary person, with extraordinary gifts and energy, to try and do an extraordinary job of governing for the people.

Average won’t cut it here, I’m afraid.

I believe I owe you a beverage…

We are suffering the consequences from the last 110 years. It really does not matter what party gets in, The federal govt. has broken the chain the constitution put on it. The tenth amendment needs to be enforced.

A trace of personal integrity wouldn’t hurt either.

We do not need anyone governing us more than the constitution allows. Americans can govern themselves. We are a republic ruled by law. Our rights are given by our creator, hence no govt. can take them away. Iam not kidding about Palin though. She is supported by a lot of People. Do not underestimate her. We need someone to have the strength to demand the will of the people. Not sure it can be done. The states will eventually stand up and say enough. I pray it it peaceful.

so true. that person exists somewhere. I think that person would be killed by the powers to be though. The fed is what rules this country.

Ben Franklin:
“In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, — if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.”

Speech to the Constitutional Convention (1787-06-28)

When Ben Franklin left the convention on its final day,their were people outside. A woman asked him what had they done. He replied “we have given you a republic, see if you can keep it.” I for one say we have not.

Apart from your small misquote, I agree with the gist of this…we have been an Empire since the Spanish-American War, and it is quite amazing that as many of the trappings of a Republic have survived as long as they have.

I do however think Bush and now Obama have brought the people together a tiny bit. Both sides agree their parties are out of control. Instead of left vs right, it will come down, in the near future, to small govt people and big govt. people. I know this was to be a bash Palin thing so I will humbly shutup and let you all get back to the bash.

Steve, with all due respect, why aren’t you at school teaching history today?

ha ha! Best use of quotes I’ve seen in a while. I’m sure she’s read “all of them!” :)

I know this was to be a bash Palin thing so I will humbly shutup and let you all get back to the bash.

C’mon and join in, man. It’s great fun.

Palin will be given all questions 48 hours in advance so she can prepare.

With Rupert spending millions on her book deal and now a contract with Fox, he needs to be sure his million dollar baby doesn’t come off the fool and embarrass him like she would if she appeared on “Face the Nation” or “Meet the Press” answering questions without an advanced script.

Palin will be given all questions 48 hours in advance so she can prepare.

She will in all probability be given the answers as well.

The thought of you teaching anyone is frightning.

She will in all probability be given the answers as well.

And she will in all probability still screw it up.

That press conference/speech she gave when she quit as Governor still makes my head hurt.

I have to keep reminding these people:

Ayn Rand was not a founding father !!!!

What did ol Ben Franklin say about taxes?

how much could the guvmit tax?

I believe he said that after a man necessities have been met, they can be taxed ‘to their last farthing’

Like the Nebraska legislator said about a mediocre Supreme Court nominee, “Well you know, there are a lot of mediocre people out there that need to have a voice.”

Incidentally, I believe Palin’s SAT score put her in the 44%.

Actually Washington came out of retirement to deal with the issue of spreading insurrections…his authority over former Veterans was useful in encouraging the militias to stand against Shay’s rebellion. Washington also ordered the militias out during the Whiskey Rebellion, the revolt against the excise tax on alcohol.

It was Sam Adams that pushed the first “Riot Act” in Federal law, during Shays Rebellion. Adams advocated the execution of insurrectionists if they did not disperse and lay down their weapons. Although several convictions were made under this law, Washington essentially pardoned those involved.

The Riot Act was incorporated into the first Militia Act (1 Stat. 264) of 8 May 1792 as “An Act to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions” [Essentially wording derived from Article II of the Constitution].

Section 3 of the Militia Act gave power to the President to issue a proclamation to “command the insurgents to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes, within a limited time”, and authorised him to use the militia if they failed to do so. Substantively identical language remains today in Chapter 15 of title 10, United States Code.

US Sen Roman Hruska speaking of G Harold Carswell

“Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they, and a little chance? We can’t have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos.”

Thanks.

Many of the Tea-Baggers hold Jefferson up for acclaim for his “seeming” support of those in insurrection. But the reality is that Jefferson, as Virginia’s Governor, had little sympathy for insurrectionists. He viewed them as treasonous.

This is obvious by his response to Claypool’s Rebellion in 1781. Dissention against forced conscription had risen during the Revolution. Some prevented officers from censusing – the first step to the draft. In Rockbridge County the court house was mobbed and draft papers destroyed. Local proclaimed “that they would Serve as militia for three months…but would not be Drafted for Eighteen months and be regulars. Gen. Daniel Morgan “found the people in a Ferment about the Taxes; and some went so far as to say they would not pay them.”

Col. Garrett VanMeter was ordered by Governor Jefferson to send 242 Hampshire County temporary (1 month) militia to Williamsburg at once. VanMeter wrote on April 11, 1781 that he could not raise these troops as “a dangerous insurrection has lately arisen…occasioned by…Recruiting this States Quota of Troops to serve in the Continental Army…Although every measure that prudence could suggest has been taken to suppress the Rioters, yet it has proved ineffectual by reason of their having a superior force.”

John Claypool claimed afterwards that he and his friends “conceived the Act…as unjust and oppressive after paying high taxes on their assessed property” and then the authorities then asked for food and clothing on top of that. The idea that they could be drafted to serve eighteen months and still be taxed to pay a large cash bounty to volunteers for the Continental regiments rankled most.

Claypool interfered with the collector for the Lost River district in making up the clothes and beef requisitions for the army. The Sheriff and fifty men came to arrest Claypool. When they arrived sixty or seventy armed and drunken men were waiting for them, all armed. Eighteen year old Isaac VanMeter, one of the Sheriff‘s posse, later recalled that “had a pistol been fired a dreadful scene of carnage would have ensued.”

A day after a negotiated settlement of the standoff, at least 150 men gathered to support Claypool’s tax revolt. Colonel VanMeter heard that “there are several Deserters amongst these people, Some from the English Prisoners, Some Eighteen Months Men, and some Eight Months men, which they support and conceal.”

Governor Jefferson took Colonel VanMeter’s idea about a cavalry unit as the solution to the insurrection. He commissioned Wodrow, Vause, and Solomon VanMeter as the officers in a troop of cavalry or mounted infantry. Any direct attack on the rebels would certainly begin a battle and end in bloodshed, but the cavalrymen could wait until they had dispersed and then “go and take them out of their Beds, singly and without Noise, or if they be not found the first time to go again & again so that they may never be able to remain in quiet at home.”

Morgan’s soldiers halted at John Claypool’s house and took him prisoner…Some of the soldiers caught Matthias Wilkins, put a noose around his neck, and threatened to hang him as a Tory. Colonel John Smith of Frederick County intervened. They roughed up and branded another suspect named John Payne. They then killed an elderly man named Mace who had already surrendered….Enough evidence against them convinced the Grand Jury, nevertheless, to indict them for treason and insurrection.

Governor Thomas Nelson succeeded Jefferson in June 1781. Nelson offered a pardon to all those who pledged to support their country. Governor Benjamin Harrison took office in December 1781. He decided that it would be “imprudent to grant a general pardon to the Insurgents in your part of the Country” since “Too great Lenity may & most probably will bring the Government into Contempt and at last occasion its Overthrow.” He might pardon some of the lesser fry but he refused to pardon Robert Smith, John Powers, John Ward, Lewis Baker, Nicholas Harpole, and John Claypool, “Six of the Ringleaders.” They would have to stand trial for their lives. The Governor told Colonel VanMeter that Smith should be sent immediately to the General Court in Richmond for his trial.

The General Court found Robert Smith guilty and sentenced him to death, but the Virginia General Assembly pardoned him by a special act passed during the May 1782 session. On June 7, 1782 Governor Harrison dictated a two sentence letter to Andrew Wodrow, Clerk of Hampshire County: “I send you pardons for four of the persons concerned in the late insurrection in the back country. There is no occasion for more as the noli prosequi secures the rest.”

Yeah…I’ve looked and there is no statement to that effect in the 1787 Constitution…which is why the 13th and 14th Amendments had to be passed. They had to AMEND the Constitution to compel something that the British had imposed since 1807.

Or learning it?

That was my thought, too.

She must have forgotten that Wasington told His father about the cherry tree, “I cannot tell a lie.”

I’ve met bimbo’s in slum bars with more on the ball than this one.

The forefathers knew slavery would be ended by the constitution.

I’m sure this is PRECISELY why they enacted a 2nd Amendment to defend the militias which would snuff out slave uprisings, and a Senate to insure a sufficient proslavery contingent in Congress.

“If George W. Dunderhead has succeeded in lowering the bar for any black-sheep trust-fundian screw-up with a powerful papa in politics to have a clear shot at being leader of the free world, then Sarah has certainly out-limboed the former Commander-in-Puppet by shattering the glass basement for both women and humanity alike.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/warren-holstein/foxs-barracuda-jumps-the_b_422755.html