A lot of folks have been making fun of Harold Ford’s New York Times interview today. Spencer says he comes across like “a carpetbagger and a pussy”; Steve M. says “those cries of ‘Run, Harold, run!’ you hear in the distance are coming from Gillibrand’s office.” Fez-Boy says “I should add, it’s not just that Ford is patently corrupt, if you read the interview at the link, it comes across he’s so ideological flimsy and fucked up that if he had a battle of wits with Sarah Palin it would be a draw.” Which is just mean. After all, Fox News saw fit to employ the both of them as pundits, which means they are both extremely serious Thinkers well-qualified to discuss Current Events. You know, like Glenn Beck.
But I quite sincerely believe all this criticism is nitpicking. It’s out of context. It’s unfair sniping. Worst of all, it betrays either a shocking ignorance of New York State in general and New York City in particular, or else a shameful indifference to same. Take this exchange, which has drawn a lot of badly-informed snarking:
Q. I am not here to quiz you or try to embarrass you, but I do want to ask you about your life and travels in New York. So here goes. Have you traveled all five boroughs?
A. I will tell you what I did. I was able to do it. Kelly had a — Chief Kelly, Commissioner Kelly — invited, I guess, business people in the city, including Sir. Harold Evans, in my group. We spent the afternoon with the special operations force, and so I had the chance to helicopter to various areas in the boroughs. The only place I have not spent considerable time is Staten Island.
Q. Have you been to Staten Island?
A. I landed there in the helicopter, so I can say yes.
I grew up in New York City. I live upstate, but I have family & friends in the city, and I’m there quite often. And, speaking as a native New Yorker, I can honestly say that the only “mistake” I can see Ford having made here is that he was dumb enough to have let someone talk him into spending so much time in fucking Staten Island. I’ve been there maybe three times in all my life, and my considered opinion is that even by the standards of Northeast Queens, the place is a cesspit inhabited by backwards, unregenerate, sub-human troglodytes. Ford should not have landed that helicopter: he should have opened the window and taken a leak on it as he passed over at great speed.
Staten Island is a dreadful place, a nightmarish hellscape bereft of civilization, culture, or halfway edible pizza. It’s as scenic as Mordor, or perhaps Gary, Indiana. It is, quite literally, a huge pile of garbage, and smells like it. If you took all the worst stereotypes about New Jersey and multiplied them by a thousand, you might approach Staten Island reality. They couldn’t make a Staten Island reality show like they made a Jersey Shore reality show, because they couldn’t find classy or well-spoken enough subjects.
All this about Staten Island is well known.
Indeed, to overcome the sort of objections he’s thus far encountered, Ford needs to publicly denounce Staten Island as the toxic wasteland it is, to state forthrightly that Staten Island should be evacuated, razed, and its misfortunate inhabitants confined in zoolike structures so us Normals can go there and gawk at the spectacle that is their appearance and behavior.
Hell, Ford needs to hire me right fucking now. Where else is he going to get such expert advice? His fatcat Merrill Lynch pals? Ha!



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Oh, so Staten Island is like Dubuque. I get it now.
Thers!
Hi Firepups. There have been 4 new posts since I wrote that 20 minutes ago on a different post.
Thersday, on Wednesday!
So Staten Island is the Butte of NYC?
Hey, Cassie. How’s it going or is your head still spinning from all the action around here? Personally, mine is still spinning (and aching) from falling on the ice and concussing myself yesterday. I do not recommend it.
I second this and please thers hold out for all you can steal it’s the Amerikan way:)
Worse. It is just appalling and inexcusable. Incomparably horrendous.
I’m good! Did you see that I am now a published journalist over at Mother Jones?
Hi Thers! Do you remember when Palin said that only small towns are the real America? Republicans can’t say anything nice.
A most excellent paraphrase of one of my fav curses: Piss on you from a great height.
So how do you really feel about Staten Island?
(Just for fun, there is a Staten Island in California. It might even be better than the one in NY, since it’s honest farmland.)
Wiki has a really interesting page on Staten Island.
Among other things, it says it is mostly Italian American, is considered the “forgotten borough”, and is rapidly becoming a haven for artists .
The list of movies that has been filmed there IS impressive, and ofcourse there’s the famous Staten Island Ferry.
Makes me think of that old song…”I’ll take Manhattan, the Bronx, and Staten Island,too…”
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If y’all see ART45, please point him here.
And now, back to Thers’ smacking of the worst example of Botox, this side of Goldie Hawn …
What’d you wanna do that for! Hope you’re feeling better.
Wow! Totally awesome and a great essay.
Hey Doc, I missed the comment last night about your fall until after you’d left. Hope you’re okay.
Jeebus, couldn’t land that triple Lutz, huh ?
Ain’t it kewl…? Cassie getting published in MoJo…! ;-)
Congrats again, Cassie…! *g*
Harold gives new meaning to the word…slimy.
Hey, Dood…! Longtime no see…! ;-)
The old meaning wasn’t nasty enough?
Had absolutely no desire to do it at all. Was minding my own business, carefully walking to my truck and out of nowhere my feet decided to go elsewhere and I made a one point landing on the back of my head. Not too badly injured, though like any head wound it bled like a stuck pig. Just a bit fuzzy at times today and a mild headache, along with a knot on the back of my head.
With a better grip on reality than at least one of the commenters, too.
That was a good article.
Hey CT, how’s life in paradise ?
You want to be careful doing stuff like that; it can (literally) kill you.
I get the impression that in addition to be a lying weasel, Harold Ford is a tad, uh, shall we say, STUPID. My antiquated TV is not constructed to withstand the high-def dumbass he emits. I have to quick change the channel if he appears.
Ouch !
Texas Ellen had it right, great write Cassie
Yeah. A bit battered, but still standing and as functional (or not) as ever.
*Ouch* … sounds painful. Sorry to hear that happened to you.
Could always be better, but, doing alright…! ;-)
Harold Ford is just fugly. Sorry but his looks remind me of a snakehead fish, and his whole vibe too. Even my most charitable inner straight girl recoils.
I bought a portable generator today. Decided I could unload it from the truck by myself and damn near broke my leg but fortunately all’s well that ends swelled.
So did you catch the movie about the place? Someone actually did!
oh and hi everybody .. driving by before bedtime as usual
Harold was allowed to hang with the kewl kidz, cuz he was bashing Obama during the campaign. Now, they owe him a favor and he’s hoping that voters will mistake him for Derek Jeter and vote his stupid ass into Office.
Me, too. As I said above, I do not recommend it and have no intention of repeating it. Of course I never intended to do it in the first place. We had a really light freezing rain right before dawn which laid down a thin layer of glaze ice, which had not completely melted by noon when it happened.
Ouch! It would appear that this is no country for old men.
Hee hee, this is mostly just intra-borough smack-talking. And also mostly a Welcome to New York, Now Go Home to Harold Ford.
Did you end up needing stitches? I’ve had ‘em so many times I could just about do it myself. Did take some out myself once. Missed a piece and it got infected so I had to dig it out. Healed eventually and people can barely tell I wasn’t always this screwed up.
{{{ Sharkbabe }}}
What was Harold thinking? Was he sitting in Tennessee wondering what his next move should be and thought “I’ll run for something in New York! By golly.”
I set up a ramp but it rolled down a little faster than anticipated and dumb ol’ me was standing in front of it.
Yeah and he has been bought and paid for by the banksters (nice cushy $1 million dollar salary with no apparent current responsibilities).
Well, be careful — another head injury like that, and you could be writing for NewsMax.
Nah. Didn’t even go tho the doctor.
That’s funny, there is a slight resemblance. Harold could maybe pass himself off as Derek’s older brother.
Even if it were ten times as serious, I would still be smarter than Jonah Goldberg (and a better writer).
*heh* Aloha is universal… Hi and bye…! Ya just never know…! ;-)
Btw, everybody’s fair-game with ya, eh…? Fez Boy, indeed…!
Not possible. It is the differance between brain damaged and brain dead.
Where does NewsMax place in teh stupid hierarchy relative to Politico and the Moonie Times?
It ain’t a hierarchy-more like a plateau.
Right there with world net daily. Slightly above slime mold.
Aside from what you wrote, Thers, what do you think of Staten Island?
Finally, a voice of reason… not.
Pat Robertson: Haiti ‘Cursed By ‘Pact To The Devil’
Or perhaps a lowerarchy.
This morning I was actually thinking “I wonder what Ole Pat Fuck Head Robertson will have to say about this.”
The go to source for the always classy take on disasters. Remember his takes on 9/11 and Katrina?
Really low-grade slime mold, not the real expensive kind.
If there’s anyone I count on to know a pact with the devil when he sees one, it’s Pat Robertson. The blood dried on his contract a long time ago.
I was just going to link that.
Andy Borowitz sledges Pat as only a great satirist can
I think he has gotten a promotion and is now a recruiter.
At least he didn’t try to pin this one on gays and lesbians yet. Tune in tomorrow…
Be nice to Pat, he fell from a Clown Car in Space and landed on Dobson …
Never trust an insurance salesman, ‘specially afterlife insurance.
The things I could tell you about Mr Turk. He is not what he seems.
He will get there sooner or later. First he has to dis on Vodoun. Funny he doesn’t seem aware that Santeria is just as common in the Dominican Republic (of course he doesn’t really seem aware of much).
Hope that landing didn’t involve any penetration…
He IS the devil.
Time for me to toddle off. Whole lot of corrupting going on in the morning. Take care all.
It won’t be long or be very hard. Sorta like the six degrees game. Vodoo, zombie, gay. See only three removed. Easy as cake.
What’s wrong with
KansasIowa…? ;-)When you become POTUS, promise that you’ll take care of these idiots …
Get well soon … Lamb Curry is a miracle cure !
Aloha, Dr. D…!
Not the Pat Robertson clip I was looking for but a pretty good one.
Or Staten Island, for that matter.
Niters for me.
Sleep well.
Thers, I’m sure all the wonderful people in Astoria, College Point, Whitestone, Corona, and the boys and girls and men and women on Rikers Island will appreciate that they rate slightly above Staten Island.
I wholeheartedly concur.
Well, really Voodoo and zombies only count as one. Make that gay zombies and you’ve covered all the bases.
g’nite Thers
Red states in general? Try this,
http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml
Good night, be careful.
Yes sir. Cassie for President 2032.
Aloha, Thers…! Another great post…! ;-)
Gay zombies? Okay, then what do they mutter as they shamble around if not “Brains”
And yes, I’m asking you to go there.
John McCain will be packing a head of steam that year …
Better dressed, seemingly drawn to discotheques.
Undead Jhon Travoltas “Staying Alive, Staying alive” Don’t point too hard or that finger will fall off.
go to Sadly,No and pose the question to ZombieRottenMcDonald, and when everyone else joins in you may wish you hadn’t. :)
I’m going to have that image stuck in my brain now.
And I thought earworms were bad.
Kewl article…! ;-)
Ooh, not St. Ronnie…! ;-)
Heading out, splendid evening to all.
Earworms? You mean like, “I’d like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony.” :-)
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I don’t think so. That crew can really bring it given a subject like that. I would rather not be on the recieving end.
As a NYCer who has lived here for four years, I have never been to Staten Island, as most of what you said has turned me off of the place. The few people that I’ve met that have lived there are not the warmest people on the planet, in fact, quite stodgy and uptight. It may not surprise NYCers that Staten Island was the only burrough that went to McCain in 2008.
As for Ford, I was never a huge fan of Gillenbrand, but I am now. I have no idea why he’s even considering a run other than he has surrounded himself with yes people, sycophants, and morons. I hope she crushes him.
You’ve been there maybe three times yet you’re an expert on Staten Island? I grew up there. It has a population of 500,000 and has some of the best rated public schools in all the five boroughs. Many prominent artists, writers, and statesmen come from Staten Island. Staten Island has some bad areas, but it also has some of the most expensive real estate on the Eastern seaboard including many Frank Loyd Wright homes built atop hills that look out over the harbor. There is a beautiful area called Richmond Town that has many restored pre-revolution colonial homes situated just off of a 2,500 acre nature preserve. Staten Island was one of the hardest hit communities on 9/11 and many of our fire fighters were the first into the towers.
It’s easy to cast aspersions when you’re talking out of your ass. Someone should climb atop your giant ego and take a piss on your face. And it should be someone from Staten Island.
Harold Ford will likely be successful in his latest scam. After all, the American voting public is arguably the most ignorant and unsophisticated electorate of any advanced industrialized electorate in the world. Press a few “hot buttons” and come up with a “philosophy” as deep as a bumper sticker and you can get the rubes dancing at the end of a marionette’s strings. If the big money is behind him can the corporate media be far behind?
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I think Anthongyafterwit in post #100 gets it spot on. This diary appears not to be so much about Harold Ford as the diarist’s ego.
It’s foolish too to dismiss Ford so easily since lots of big money, including the banker-former-car-czar-Steven Rattner is backing Ford (as he did Obama). Why is this guy, so close to the Geithner-Rahm-DLCers willing apparently to put up big bucks for Ford? It’s a question that deserves some thought, not a zonked out “I’m better than Staten Island” kinda guy approach.
The whole Ford possible challenge also raises the question: is this a legitimate threat to run against Gillibrand or is it a way of putting pressure on Gillibrand to vote a certain way now. I think if a Democratic senator really wanted to make a career move, it might be to stand up to the Democratic establishment and say, the Senate health care plan sucks and I will not vote for it. I think that person would be a national hero overnight. Does Gillibrand have that in her and is the “Ford challenge” really just a way to put pressure on her? I don’t know, I throw it out as a possibility.
Reply to anthonyafterwit @100 and fflambeau @103.
Go to Thers’ Comment #39 to obtain some perspective on this post, which – with respect to Staten Island (if not Harold Ford) – appears to be largely/mostly tongue-in-cheek. Maybe not entirely so – I’ve read enough stuff from other non-Staten Island NYCers to believe that there is some genuine antipathy from the other four boroughs regarding SI, at least where politics and social views are concerned. For this never-been-to-NYCer, it’s all fun stuff to read, and I don’t take it seriously myself. However, Thers’ crank-it-to-eleven bombastic style definitely needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
I’ve been reading Thers at his own blog site, and in comments at Eschaton, for about 5 years or so. Overblown rhetoric is part of his style. Love it or leave it – it’s up to you and your reading preferences. The Internet is a big place; you’ll find something more to your liking elsewhere, I have no doubt.
I don’t get why he would deny his record on abortion and gay marriage? Now video clips from then and now can be played back to back by his opponents and and people will not consider it an attack ad or going negative. Here is an example of what I am talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxRmdokHVL4