
Graphic by Swopa
Teddy spotted a very interesting Rahm quote in the middle of a WaPo story on the GOP scrambling to take advantage of the Democrats’ vulnerability this year:
Gone is the bravado of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, who a year ago in his farewell address to his House Democratic colleagues predicted that 2010 would resemble 1934. That year, for the third consecutive cycle, Democrats picked up seats as the public rallied behind President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s “New Deal.”
Coupled with his “never let a crisis go to waste” comment, it’s clear that Rahm understood that Obama’s enormous challenges also represented enormous opportunity. Unfortunately, he either didn’t realize that opportunity itself is not sufficient, or failed to notice that FDR did not save the country and attain incredible popularity and power by bailing out corporate interests at the expense of everyone else.
FDR used the state of crisis to immediately push through substantial financial reforms and the massive job creation programs of the New Deal. Obama covered the Wall Street gamblers’ losses and then allowed “fiscally responsible” Republicans and Blue Dogs to water down an already mediocre stimulus package into something almost completely ineffective. The financial reform bill is crawling along and seems to get weaker by the day.
FDR increased employment significantly in the first two years of his term. Obama… not so much so far, and prosperity does not appear to be around the corner. Instead we’ve had to settle for Obama and his team assuring us that the economy is recovering but jobs are merely a “lagging indicator” – their complacency in stark contrast to FDR’s near-maniacal sense of urgency.
In short, FDR took dramatic action to benefit ordinary citizens, and achieved dramatic, tangible results. Obama has not, and has not.
Yes, it’s true that the 2008 meltdown was not as dire as the Great Depression, and FDR’s GOP was not yet using the filibuster to make 60 the new 51, but Obama had the chance to take a page from Dubya’s book and use the crisis to pressure and shame moderate Republicans and conservative Democrats into going along with substantive stimulus and reforms. Instead of bogus cries of “terror terror terror!”, he could have used genuine cries of “crisis crisis crisis” or “jobs jobs jobs!” The only legislation that got that treatment was the TARP bailout.
I suppose it’s possible that Obama took this approach all on his own, with Rahm pleading and begging with him every step of the way not to squander this historical opportunity, but I’m having a hard time picturing it. Maybe Rahm genuinely believed that half-measures and happy talk would be enough, that the American people wouldn’t notice that they’re getting crumbs while the corporations that ruined our economy and health care system are getting richly rewarded for our trouble.
Whatever the plan was, it didn’t work. Now the Democratic base is thoroughly demoralized, and all that crisis passion is flowing back to the Republicans. As Paul Krugman puts it:
[T]here’s a populist rage building in this country, and President Obama’s kid-gloves treatment of the bankers has put Democrats on the wrong side of this rage. If Congressional Democrats don’t take a tough line with the banks in the months ahead, they will pay a big price in November.
It’s not enough just to be handed an opportunity, you have to seize it and take it in the direction it tells you to. And I fear that the Democrats are about to learn that a misspent opportunity is worse than no opportunity at all.



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Hey Eli!
Rahm seized the opportunity and instantly dropped it into the corp cash box.
eli!
Hey egreg! Hey Suz!
Hope somebody in DC is paying attention to the real level of unemployment. Lot of unhappy people out there.
enjoy the movie.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Yeah, I fear *that* was what he meant by not letting a crisis go to waste. Disaster capitalism, Democratic style.
This is all part of the plan. It is an intentional economic “dumb-down”. Enjoy the ride.
Let us not forget that, though Rs may have initiated disaster capitalism, Ds raised it to a high art, especially when it comes to raping the base.
Just like bush lined the pockets of the MIC and Oil, Orahma is lining the pockets of Corporate america.
Excellent Eli. We need FDR Super Strength High Octane Over Proof…and what we have at present is luke warm milk and stale sugar cookies.
Less than a year in and I’m already thinking of it as “the failed Obama presidency.”
Um, whoring for corp profits by way of lining their own. (No offense to the honest profession of prostitution. Just hard to come up an accurate vernacular.)
What took you so long? *g* from me, selise & Hugh, who stil have visible scars.
It’s OK, I can hardly wait to watch his concession speech in 2012. We’ll get to see what he looks like without that smirk. That’ll make it all worthwhile.
They are ruining it not only now, but for future progressive campaigns.
To paraphrase John Waters, “Its the Structural Adjustment Center for you.”
The striking contrast is FDR’s powerful sense of urgency, that he was clearly thinking, “Oh my God, the country could literally fail”, and he had a concrete, drastic plan for pulling it back from the brink.
I get absolutely no sense of that from Obama, Rahm, or just about any other Democrat. Again, subprime meltdown wasn’t as bad as the Depression, but things were still looking pretty dire at the time he took office.
Don’t think so. Did wiping W’s smirk from his face make up for what he did?
Yes. The opportunity was not only to fix America, but to firmly establish the Democrats as The Party That Fixes America. Now they’re looking like The Party That Says They’ll Fix America And Then Totally Blows It.
As you welcome in the Mitt and his blue bloomers. I don’t want that.
The quip that sticks in my mind is simple : We exchanged a white crook with black stripes for a black crook with white stripes. i.e. Mr. No Change
Let’s get down to brass tacks:
Without a ‘generated crisis’ on the level of a nuclear event (biological is also a possibility) that results in mass casualties and a total upheaval of the current economic order, U.S. finances are an insurmountable obstacle to anything other than the neo-feudalism we are hurtling towards.
Have no doubt. There will be a great ‘reset.’
The question is whether it will result in the obscenely irrational fealty that 9/11 generated, or whether people will wise up as to who really pulls the strings…
and the buildings.
Eli, you are not as old from me, but you don’t need FRD to judge current circumstances. Remember Enron? (Surely you are old enough to remember Enron.) Remember that there was at least SOME legislation that purported to prevent the next one? Remember 9/11? Well, to be sure, it took 9/11 widows to make anything happen, and in both cases you can reasonably argue that nothing done was productive. But after 2008, crickets. Not even anything to argue about.
We need FDR Super Strength High Octane & Glass Steagall back in full force and make it retroactive to 2001 so the bastards that screwed us gets whats coming to them!!
As a longtime cynic and curmudgeon I always took his campaign rhetoric with a large dose of salt. Having said that, I apparently lacked the extraordinary perception of you three and will dwell forever in your shadows. “g”
For the first six months I could cling to the possibility that Obama might be merely incompetent, however the administration has become completely shameless in their lying and if they were really doing anything in the public interest the truth would suffice.
Obama (or perhaps some of his advisors) thought that, given the modern age, where the health of America is largely defined by the Dow Jones and how Wall Street is doing, that if he was JUST able to get them back to normal, get THEM healthy, that prosperity would follow. It’s really not TERRIBLY different than Clinton’s approach.
The problem is that the problem isn’t necessarily Wall Street. Or the Dow Jones. It’s Joe Q Everyday. Mary H Public. The common American. Wall Street and the Dow Jones are both derived from the overall health of the common American. Since no one has even attempted to ACTUALLY help the common American (yes, jittery politicians, I’m talking about socialism), the top is still unstable because the foundation it is built on, that common American (multiplied to the size of the nation) is not doing all that well. Not only are we widely unhealthy, widely uneducated, widely unemployed, and widely ignored, but the people that have the obligation to actually help us (the government, regardless of Democrat or Republican, the office is STILL an extension of the people) refuse to do so, on the D side out of fear some screaming moron on Fox might call them a Nazi and on the right for simple refusal to abandon a bad ideology.
Until the American people are helped (yes, again, with socialist policies, which is exactly what FDR did) the country will not return to its former glory.
Oh, and any conservatives listening? You want to know who liked what I’m talking about? Jesus. What’s that line ‘give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime’? Yeah, that’s EXACTLY what this applies to.
No extraordinary perception. Just a plodding look at the evidence. (If s,H & I have typed evidence a bazillion times in the past year and a half…)
FDR’s job creation policies were remarkably bottom-up. In fact, they basically amounted to, “Give people jobs.” Amazing how well that worked.
Ah, the PRIMARY ruse of Evil: “It was an accident!”
As in, “If Cheney Inc. are evil enough to pull off 9/11, why would they let poor black folks drown in New Orleans?”
Even if you look at the Dow, stock exchange over last decade was one of the worst on record. So what’s the enticement?
Eli, this gives Obama too much credit. What employment creation? More than 15 million Americans were unemployed last month and the more accurate underemployment rate is well over 17%. That’s because millions have given up looking for work and are no longer counted as unemployed by the government’s measures.
Here’s Obama’s job creation effort: keep repeating the mantra, “The road to recovery is never straight…the road to recovery”
I’m sure that will make all those without jobs feel better!
Mitt doesn’t have a chance– he’s a Moron from the LSD church. The religious wingnuts can’t have that.
It’ll be someone else almost as bad, maybe Pawlenty.
OK, either way it’ll be bad. But I’m not gonna let that ruin the fun watching Obama’s concession speech. I quit drinking alcohol so I’ll have to drink something else– maybe some really strong coffee. And I’ll scream insults at the TV screen.
If you want to understand how the GOP will appear to become the party of the common man after serving The Corps so well for so long, look no further than the Democratic Party’s evolution in the late 1960s and early 1970s from the war party to the peace party. Once the White House changes hands, and the opposition can freely oppose policies also opposed by the majority of Americans, the opposition party smoothly elides into that opposition role.
Having teabaggers hollering to their right, demanding a populist response by the GOP, makes their journey that much easier.
Yes. Obama and crew don’t seem to have a sense of urgency and they don’t have the balls to take on the big money. FDR was fearless and active…the big money actually attempted a military coup back in 1933. It failed only because retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler who hired to orchestrate this fascist thuggery blew the whistle. To this day I don’t understand why these smug big business bastards weren’t tried for treason.
According to The Great Depression and the New Deal by Eric Rauchway, they threw spaghetti at the wall to see what would stick. Enough did before SCOTUS blackballed it all, that the U.S. got out of the first stage of the depression.
I have always had a gut feeling about him… slippery or something!! And look how he is so careful instead of going to Congress and haranguing them for laws that benifit the good citizens of the US?? Like Medicare for all.. cut out the corporate leaches who limit access to care…
Not completely, but it helped. Don’t you think?
In late 2000 when Bush was assembling his cabinet I compared the process to staffing a pirate ship. It should have been clear even to dullards like myself that the people Obama was surrounding himself with suggested nefarious intentions.
Not so much.
I wonder if that is because Obama is, in several ways, Not Their Crowd. FDR was a traitor to his class, was hated by the banksters and industrialists and revelled in their hatred. But can you really expect a social arriviste, especially one raised with an absent father (to go psychobabble) to stand up to the Masters of the Universe, particularly when they bankrolled his campaign?
I think Obama is doing the best that can be expected. Unless he looks hard in the mirror one day and says, “What’s happened to my presidency? This isn’t how I expected it would go AT ALL.”
… I’m not exactly sure I understand what you’re saying.
What do you mean by ‘what’s the enticement?’
Personally, I don’t think that the Dow Jones is reflective of the health of the nation.
“Reagan doesn’t have a chance– he’s a non-denominational divorcée actor married to an astrology nut. The religious wingnuts can’t have that.”
Think again.
Oh, but in late 2008, when s, H & I were complaining about O’s cabinet, we were chastised for not giving him a chance. After all, who coulda anticipated that Bernanke, Sommers, Geithner coulda turned all U.S. treasure over to banksters. /complainancy
Short answer: yes
Granted one is likely to be disappointed more often than not.
Yes, I have definitely arrived at the suspicion that there is an unwritten rule whichever party controls the government is in charge of satisfying the corporate interests, and the other party can make a show of supporting or opposing as they wish.
The stock market during the 2000s decade turned in one of the worst performances of any decade, going back some time. So what is the enticement of the ownership society?
In short, FDR took dramatic action to benefit ordinary citizens, and achieved dramatic, tangible results. Obama has not, and has not.
I know. Tell me about it. I screamed about it at the time. He had his moment and frittered it away.
I suppose it’s possible that Obama took this approach all on his own, with Rahm pleading and begging with him every step of the way not to squander this historical opportunity, but I’m having a hard time picturing it.
Oh, I think they seized the opportunity… to reenact the Clinton administration. After all, the man thinks NAFTA was a fabulous success for Democrats. Or some Democrats anyways. After all, the first two years were followed by 12 years of Republicans and George Bush and that was just… wonderful.
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['Nooooo seeennnnnssssseeee.']
Right.
Agreed! Never count somebody out because you think they don’t fit the mold.
If FDR were alive today and spouting rigid, right-wing conservative ideology, they’d elect him. Hypocrisy is not a disqualifier for the right. (Although, by the current administration, it’s not exactly a disqualifier on the left, either.)
The right cares about NOTHING other than ‘votes to lower taxes, shrink government, end welfare, help business, etc. etc.’ You have to genuinely believe in the ideology to get into the club. Regardless of anything else.
Well, people did say that, but this is different– Reagan was still a Christian. The religious wingnuts believe that the Morons aren’t real Christians. I really think Mitt would have little chance of getting their votes.
But I have to admit that when the senile movie star won the nomination in 1980 I was confident Americans wouldn’t be stupid enough to elect him.
I got the same reaction when I pointed out his resume of:
- Brzezinski student.
- Kissinger Associates employee
- Business International Company asset (aka CIA)
- Lieberman protégé
- FISA flip-flopper
But, hey, at least he’s not McCain, right?
I don’t believe I ever chastised anyone and I could have… I’ve got chastity out the wazoo. :-)
Well, I’m pretty sure that most voters would back him if he took on corporate America. But it doesn’t seem to be on his to-do list, at least not as anything more than occasional mild lip service that never amounts to anything.
Mitt was leading in the last poll I say about 3 days ago.
I remember reading (probably FDL), that Rham wanted to lock in the “money” (read that as corporate political donations) so the Dems would hold Congress in the 2010 election. That reflects badly on Obama (he is the “BOSS”), because it insults the base. We did not vote for Obama because Wall Street supported him – and I will not vote for Obama because he has the “money’. Action – not words, not political donations will win my vote. And right now, action is not happening.
He truly has an uncanny feel for the pulse of the American people.
I keep intending to buy myself some magic underwear. I hope they’re made from all natural fibers. Magic or not, I won’t put anything synthetic next to my…
after reading,NO ORDINARY TIME,………….i sojourned to FDRs house
Not scapegoating u in particular, just pointing out wounds, and into licking them right now.
Some of us have been saying since shortly after the inauguration that Obama has more in common with Hoover than FDR. Like Hoover, Obama has relied on a series of discredited, failed elites to fix the problems they themselves created. It didn’t happen then. It isn’t happening now.
I have to say that I am done with Obama and the Democrats, and have been for a while. So I no longer have any emotional attachment or identification with them, their successes or defeats. My impression is that by the time Obama tries in some half-hearted way to switch course, and he may not at all, but if he does, the electorate will already be done with him too.
It is still early days. You have to remember that the stock market crash happened in 1929. Roosevelt was first elected in 1932 and the economy didn’t begin to pick up until around 1936 (before sliding back into depression in 1937 but that’s another story). Our housing bubble burst a little over 2 years ago (August 2007) and the meltdown happened in September 2008. So we are not all that far into the process. We have huge numbers of unemployed, homeowners in trouble, and mountains of debt. Like Hoover, we still have the failed elites inside and outside government running things. I would not discount our current crisis just yet or how it will stack up to the Great Depression.
I read that the magic underwear is supposed to make them feel closer to the Big Guy so I suggest wool. It’s not synthetic. :)
One of the most deeply disturbing things about our political system is the belief that money trumps all; that Obama could be openly selling nukes to al Qaeda, but there is some (very large) quantity of campaign money which would either make 50.1% of America forget all about it, or convince them that it was a brilliant idea.
Conversely, Obama could restore America to the pinnacle of prosperity, cure world hunger and end all wars, but if his opponent has enough campaign money he could convince 50.1% of America that he’s Attila The Pedophile.
The horrific contrast of his rant about not seeking the presidency to “bail out fatcat bankers” on 60 Minutes one night while being stood up by the Masters of the Universe the very next day made me realize who is actually running this country. “Nice economy you’ve got there [as if!] — be a shame if something happened to it” seems to be the hold they have on everyone in DeeCee
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exactly angryb — actions not words.
But you do live in this country, right? Even if you don’t give a shit about the Democrats, their success or defeats still affect you.
Just so long as it doesn’t transform me into shepherd’s pie.
From FDR’s first inaugural address:
Of course, he actually *meant* it.
Obama is well on his way to becoming the new Herbert Hoover. I think we all know that now.
Beat me to it.
Wool is warm (even when wet) and it’s fire resistant. (If you don’t like the idea of wool next to Tender Parts, wear cotton underneath.)
To be quite honest, I would argue there’s very little REAL enticement to the ownership society. But the American people don’t think about capitalism in real terms. They think about it in fantasy. ‘Work hard and you, too, will be rich.’ Yeah, might be true in certain limited circumstances. In America, everyone is raised to believe that they will someday be at the top. And therefore, people support the system that creates that top, despite the fact 99% will never get there.
If more people were less fantasy-world about how capitalism really works and how it really affects the world, the nation, and people, less people would be such ardent cheerleaders of it. I’m not saying that capitalism is in and of itself BAD, but it’s not the perfect dream people assume it to be.
Anyway, the main point I made from before was that socialism, or in other words, helping EVERY American citizen instead of helping American corporations would yield more economic growth and stability than the current policies enacted by the Obama administration.
heh heh..
Um no. Just like Rs defeat or success does not influence me. It’s all the same.
The only way our current predicament compares favorably to the Great Depression is that our elites are encouraging us to clap louder.
The number and extent of CRE, the view by our policymakers of “jobs” as a trailing indicator and not a source of wrenching family pain, and the new focus on the scary, scary deficit make it pretty clear to me that we’re not coming out of this anytime soon.
And that the hopey-changey focus on looking at it in the rear-view mirror as if it is over is a calculated strategy designed to disguise from us its continued awful unfolding.
it wasn’t just the subprime meltdown or even the housing bubble. this time level of private sector debt is greater and we have current account deficit and fed deficit hawks. but we aren’t on a gold std and have institutions (progressive taxation, unemployment insurance, SS, medicare, etc) to provide some automatic stabilization. and we are a much richer country. so who knows?
early days yet. but don’t think the story has yet to be written on current contraction.
or i’m full of it. really don’t know what i’m talking about here, so there’s a good chance. hope so.
It seems that it’s all down to the 3rd & 4th or 5th parties.
If truth seeking, anti-war(crime), pro-hemp acolytes find their person, which party feels the deeper impact?
If the Shadow War Party ignites a volley between Israel/Iran, India/Pakistan…
Will it float? ♫
Will it float? ♫
i’m pretty sure that summers et al. (during the clinton administration) helped kill more people with economic policies than W did with his wars.
I can’t help other’s fantacies. Though I would point out that reality-based media could counter that.
Selise just checked in, we’ve got all three Riders of the Obacalypse in the house! (if you need a fourth I’ll be happy to tag along)
I wrote a post back before the election, using Joe The Plumber as the exemplar of those Americans who vote based on not on their current situation, but that of the imaginary millionaires they believe they will someday become.
Now we have the worst of both worlds, bad economic policy AND endless wars.
Links?
The data I’ve seen suggests that W killed a million innocents in a couple of years, and Clinton killed a half a million in 8 years. Is that inaccurate?
the housing bubble had burst by the summer of 2006. (by case shiller, by late payments and foreclosures, by construction, by everything i can think of to look at). do you have any contrary data for 2007 whatsoever?
Oh so now you want to latch on. *g*
If Republicans win, corporatism wins. If Democrats win, corporatism wins. Yes, this affects me, but except for a few nuances there is little difference between the two parties. Either way, corporations win, the looting goes on, and we lose.
I promise to follow at a respectful distance astride my long-eared ass Barry.
Tweedle dum and Tweedle dee.
I’d like to argue non-economic issues like choice and gay marriage with you, but I’m afraid I may have to get back to you on that…
Are you including the impact of “depleted uranium”?
P.S. I dare everyone to GoogleImage that term . . .
and keep your dinner inside your stomach.
s, H & me could never get enuf org to create followers.
Reality does tend to be the cure to fantasy, definitely. Which is precisely why I work to educate my fellow man.
No quant analysis that I know of. Clinton used depleted u too.
That’s the trouble with being iconoclasts. Still a worthy pursuit.
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thanks for asking. my bad for not including some references.
3 million in russia alone (although i only knew the number was big until last jan). my references for that are jan lancet article, mass privatisation and the post-communist mortality crisis: a cross-national analysis with background from naomi klein’s the shock doctrine and joseph stiglitz’s globalization and it’s discontents.
Conservative voters rarely vote in their own economic interests. When they do, it’s because they think they’re going to lower their taxes. (Almost never actually happens for them)
Joe the Plumber is actually an excellent article. The man is obviously well-read on his conservative ideology, and makes his choice based entirely on said ideology.
One question that I wish someone would have asked Joe the Plumber about his fantasy 250-thousand dollar dream is ‘even if your taxes go up, WON’T YOU STILL BE MAKING 250 THOUSAND DOLLARS WHEN MOST PEOPLE DON’T EVEN EARN 10,000 dollars IN A YEAR?’
Well as I always say, housing construction peaked in 2005, the housing market in 2006, and the housing bubble itself burst on August 9, 2007 when BNP Paribas froze three of its funds heavily into subprimes causing a worldwide panic in markets. There had been some Bear Stearns funds that had gone belly up a month or two before but their demise didn’t have the same effect. After August 9, 2007, it quickly became generally accepted that the housing bubble was over.
I am afraid that Herbert Hoover would be a more accurate analogy.
Keep your government hands off my imaginary money!!!
I’m sick of this bitter winter in Toronto, so I’m moving to North Dakota, where it’s warmer.Never mind !
Eli !
Petro!
Aha, including Russia.
What do you get when you cross Hoover w/ Carter?
Truman.
Think Obama won’t drop nukes?
Think again.
The Bunk Starts There.
Night all.
Haha. Alright, I think THAT should be on a bumper-sticker somewhere.
or that picking biden for vp was not a message (he, more than any other dem — even lieberman — was imo responsible for helping lie the country into war with iraq)
Perhaps nukes may be used in WWIII – the war over defaulted sovereign debt.
It is a long time still until November 2010. And there is some rumors that Congresscritters got an earful over the holidays and it was not Tea Party astroturf rhetoric (although there was that as well).
Really there are only two major (as opposed to cleanup work like the Lily Ledbetter Act) pieces of legislation that are in place: the National Recovery and Reinvestment Act, now kicking into it’s infrastructure contract phase, and the 2010 Federal Budget which has some spending increases in key domestic areas.
The battles for healthcare reform (although confined to the halls of Congress) and financial industry reform (just beginning to heat up with the public) are not over. For the moment climate change cap-and-trade (a market-based solution that Republicans hate) seems stalled. And the Employee Free Choice Act is likely not to come forward until after November.
The current hot-button agenda items are additional job creation and immigration reform.
It is neither time to give Obama a pass (out of mistaken loyalty) or throw in the towel (in an excess of cynicism). The public is beginning to wake up to the fact that there is something stinky in the Congress. And Timmy Geithner and Ben Bernanke have serious problems with some key Senators and Congressmen. The shape of the battle is that if Wall Street can roll Obama, so can a large populist movement. The only question at the moment is whether progressives cede that movement to the Dick Army patented astroturfed Tea Party movement (which seems to have problems getting large numbers of supporters despite 24/7 propaganda) or get in front of it and lead it.
Why on earth are we talking about World War 3 and nukes being used?
Is everyone just planning on rolling over and allowing that future to happen?
The president and the government may be making big mistakes but that doesn’t mean the game is over, ladies and gentlemen.
When you can’t pay it…
Nuke it!
When you can’t excuse it..
Nuke it!
When you can’t explain it…
Nuke it!
When you’re down on your luck, just say, “Oh, fuck!”
And Nuke It!
The ‘game’ has to be ‘reset.’
Remember that annoying kid who always hit the ‘Reset’ on Atari 2600 while you were playing ‘Combat’?
Well, that’s U.S.
Nuke it!
As a measure of how badly Rahm [and Obama] have mishandled and misjudged this, I’d really REALLY like for someone to do a story on the “yield” from all those e-mails the Dems have been sending out.
I’m willing to be there’s a high percentage of not just passive non-responses, but active “fuck you’s” and “unsubscribes.”
Today Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune was on Countdown [with Lawrence O'Donnell] talking about Michael Steele’s troubles as head of the RNC — among them, a fall-off in fund-raising.
I wrote to Page and urged him to inquire about the Dems’ success in this area, specifically whether the much-maligned “base” was responding positively to either the requests for $$$ or the urgings to “write your Congressman” [re the rotten health care bill].
I really hope SOMEONE does a story on the deep discontent among the formerly “activist” base. I would hope such news would embolden those who know in their hearts Obama’s wrong on health care & bank bail-outs, but who fear opposing a sitting president.
… That’s the silliest thing I’ve ever heard.
And I’ve listened to a LOT of right-wing arguments.
That’s fair. Not easy, but not impossible either. Especially when the populist anger is bipartisan (even if the specific goals are not).
Anybody catch Eliot Spitzer on Ed Schultz tonight, or Corn and Drum on Moyers? Move You Money is going wildfire. I do believe the shit is hitting the fan. Check out these sites: poclad.org; and ratical.org. We need a petition for ballot initiative to revoke some corporate charters. Congress and WH are bought. They will never act. Citizens can bypass them. Impeach SCOTUS,too.
And if you’re like a lot of us, you change the channel when Obama comes on the tv. [I do, anyway.]
Fixed it for ya.
Really?
Have you never heard of boxcutters taking down 3 skyscrapers with 2 jets?
And another one hitting the empty wing of the Pentagon at impossible angles for pitiful pilots?
You should learn to pay attention to the little details.
In the meantime, care to explain all of this?:
madcowprod.com
Obama could never begin to be FDR, if only for the sheer magnitude of things like planetary resource depletion then as opposed to now. huge diff, the thirties were still riding the industrial rev, we’ve now exhausted it. etc. million other differences. media. etc. also.
Yeah O’s a (uniquely and spectacularly) disappointing whore, fer sure.
Love the graphic anyway, great job swopa.
Obama and Roosevelt? Not much to compare. Roosevelt had the Soviet Union to scare the daylights out of the bosses. A little “You better give some ground or these Bolsheviks might kick our asses completely..” What has Obama got in this regard? You don’t win anything becasue you are right, or the idea is just. You get what you have forced the other side to concede.
I worked for and voted for that turd in the white house. No more. All of them have lost my vote. As Krugman says, they will pay a BIG price in November. I will join those idiot tea baggers to throw out the dumocrats if the house does not remove that corporate mandate and instill a public option to compete with those whores. As the saying goes, “The enemy or my enemy is my friend” and nobody in that whitehouse is my friend right now. We can all hate each other after that bill is killed and those shit head dumocrats are thrown out.
Suggestion: koosh balls and/or rolled up socks. Gets you some nice exercise that way, as well as relieving your frustration.
The Moyers’ focus was about the need/opportunity for action for Wall Street/Banking reform. Because even what has been done has been watered down.
Impeaching SCOTUS doesn’t make much sense. At all, really.
Yes, Red Dawn II, with Matthew Broderick reprising the Patrick Swayze role. Set in post Depression USA, a hardy band of former investment bankers take up arms against the invading Chinese army, intent on seizing US land and property as payment for defaulted government bonds.
keep all my unmatched socks in the toss at the tv basket until their mates are found.
i think you are confusing the ensuing financial crisis with the housing bubble. even in the MSM it was widely reported that the house bubble had busted by fall of 2006.
for folks who haven’t seen our prior discussions re this question (that include some of my sources), i’ll include links here:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/06/guest-post-big-money-suffering.html#comment-48447
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7111#comment-63390
what, in the name of the sun god, could mitt romney do to us, that this regime hasnt already done, or isnt threatening to accomplish?
yeah, russia too. i probably don’t know the half of it though. still trying to catch up after waking up post 911.
I’m still not sure how that has anything to do with nuking things…
If I’m missing out on something, please do feel free to correct me, but I don’t get your point.
Also, if you’re saying 9/11 is… somehow SILLIER than the indiscriminate nuking of things deemed problems… I think I’d still have to disagree with you.
And… what exactly am I supposed to explain in regards to the MadCowMorningNews?
Yeah, I’ve been there since mid-Summer.
Hey, corporations and their pet monkeys in gov have declared war on the people. I’m just listing the weapons at our disposal. SCOTUS is just as bought as the other branches; they will play their part when it’s their turn unless they are preempted. As for underwear, merino wool. Umm hmm.
Obama can still set some records. Unfortunately, FDR’s records for job creation and systemic reform are safe, it’s Hoover’s record of economic implosion I’m getting worried about.
Well, when you’ve got a yuppie elitist running the whole ball of wax, did anyone think the dude cares a whit about us useless slave laborers out there? No one speaks for the workingman, blue or white collar. Barry O is Clinton on steroids. Useless, man. Useless.
Look, I’m all for getting Rahm the heck out of the White House, but I hope there are NO damn teabaggers in this website.
thats one of the weakest obama apologies ive heard yet. they have “misunderestimated” the entire movement ( in america its more like a mood swing) that they were elected on. they probably thought they couldnt go wrong playing both sides against each other and ‘grabbing the middle ground” the political game is all fine and dandy but they have FUCKED up the policy so bad, that of all of thier political calculus is out the window. well they did get SOMETHING changed after all.
The real populist anger is independent. Folks who might have been in one party or another last year, but now are a little punch-drunk from a year’s dose of reality. There is no “bipartisan” left. The political landscape at the grassroots is shifting.
I guess it’s more apparent in a working class (let’s just say, tow truck drivers, over-the-road truckers, security guards, real estate agents, grunt programmers, IT support staff) neighborhood. There are few committed Republicans left, a fair number of Obama supporters, and a whole lot of angry folks wondering what is going on and who will help them fix it. Interesting times.
Musashi: Go Rin No Sho.
i’m with you and tarheeldem. also, have you seen a youtube of warren mosler speaking at the teaparty rallies? he’s planning on running as a dem in 2012 and the main points of his economic policy are: 1) temp stop payroll taxes, 2) big fed per capita payment to the states (not shovel ready projects, let the states do whatever they want with it) to prevent more layoffs and decreases in state provided services and 3) fed funded full employment jobs program.
not too shabby.
And probably when they learn what fun their “mates” are having getting heaved at the tv, the “missing” come out from their hiding places, right?
good night ecahn.
I believe the word Jane has been using is “transpartisan”. There are progressives, independents, and conservatives *all* pissed off at the giveaways to the corporations.
First time tragedy…second time farce.
tis the hope. there does seem to be a never-ending supply
I think I’d have to disagree with you on that one.
SCOTUS is a different culture than any other political entity we have. Congress and the President and the two political parties are definitely potential and factual corporate tools, but… well. Hard to influence Supreme Court justices.
Digby has dug up an episode of the romance between Timmy Geithner and Pete Petersen, neo-con economist. It is true love I think. Love of other people’s money that is.
What is really funny is a bit further down Digby has a quote about the 18 year old grandson of Peterson. You cannot make this stuff up because it could only come from a bad novel, such as Atlas Shrugged.
Why on EARTH would he want to temporarily suspend payroll taxes?
Anybody who does the 9 to 5 slog, dealing with the authoritarian nightmare that is the American work place, YOU are working class.
Obama doesn’t understand this reality, our reality. Working class reality. It was an amazing anomaly that FDR did. Where is our 21 century FDR? We got our Hoover, where is our FDR waiting in the wings?
George Orwell:
Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.
That’s the task America’s ruling class has assigned to the mainstream media.
And that was no less true in Roosevelt’s time. After all, the New Deal was basically an attempt by the ruling class to save capitalism from itself.
And it worked. But now it is tottering again. And there are any number of folks in the ruling class who would very much like to see strong and meaningful regulation of the finance industry. There was an excellent piece in Huffington Post today about a coalition between progressives and libertarians aimed at doing just that.
I don’t imagine however that amoral ilk like Tim Geithner andf Rahm Emanuel are among them. Barack Obama? I really don’t know. It ought to be interesting to see how this all places out in the White House.
What was the first thing that the Obama administration and congressional Democratic leaders joined to do weeks after President Obama entered the White House?
Increase the federal tax on tobacco.
Whatever you may think about tobacco, anti-smoking or otherwise, this represented an immediate reversal of candidate Obama’s pledge in the 2008 campaign season to not raise taxes on people making under $250,000 a year, with certain Democrats opting for a regressive tax over any progressive tax that might narrow the gap between the wealthiest and poorest in America.
Once this regressive legislation passed so soon after President Obama entered office (regressive being something that conservatives prefer over progressive policies), and once I learned that there were so many Democratic Leadership Council graduates in Obama’s White House as well as running Congress, I figured we’d see even more upside-down policies coming out of the White House (at least upside-down from a liberal, progressive viewpoint).
Thus, the emphasis over the past year of protecting corporate profits and CEO bonuses. both on Wall Street and HI (health industry) Street, while sticking taxpayers with the tab. In other words, all distressed homeowners, all the unemployed and underemployed, all the poor that are ill without health insurance, are all being treated like the tobacco smokers were treated early last year, throwaways, while the fat cats feed at the public trough, trying to fix things so they can continue bleeding our society for even more, unstoppable.
FDR was a Man who forced through what He wanted even over the opposition, Obama doesn’t want to make the opposition mad.
Obama is a whosey, and whoosey’s don’t make good President’s.
Boy many of us were fooled.
to help people deal with their bills and debt. payroll taxes are just about the most regressive taxes we have, so suspending them would be very progressive.
I hope you’re right. I have little faith; am expecting a lot of 6-3 decisions in favor of corps. Hope I’m wrong.
President Obama should have gotten the Academy Award in 2008 for BEST ACTOR rather than the Nobel Peace Prize. I’m sick of this President standing by slimeballs like Rahm, Bernanke, Geithner, Summers, etc.
Oh, those frisky Evangelicals.
Gregg Levine is upstairs!
Late Night: Color Me Gruber
Bipartisan populist anger, as in misdirected meets free-floating and delusional? These continuing comparisons to FDR are nothing short of pathetic. Even with Jesus bearing a birth certificate as chief of staff, in today’s Congress, FDR wouldn’t be able to pass gas.
You may be right about the effect of payroll taxes, but what do you do when the earnings records in Social Security for the affected period show zero and end up screwing over millions of people’s retirement calculations?
Also, how do you handle the fact that if you stopped payroll taxes, you’d basically END Social Security and Medicare?
Two tall buildings. One much smaller one that was collateral damage.
Kill the trained pilots, then you fly the planes into the buildings.
What’s so f*cking difficult about that?
(A lot of trained pilots have hit buildings with generally bad results. A lot of airplanes have hit other planes, even quite small ones, with generally bad results, including destroyed buildings. Do you have a point other than pushing your favorite conspiracy theories?)
You’re missing the point here: tobacco taxes are not income taxes. They’re taxing a non-essential product with known bad health consequences, at least in part to pay for those consequences.
How would most working folks pay their taxes? I don’t see very many having a few grand socked away to pay the tax man come April every year. Where would the money to pay SS and Medicare come from? Would everybody have to pony that up every year as well? For folks living paycheck to paycheck that would be a little more dust to get through til next payday, we’ll worry about paying the taxes when the time comes.
oh, i’m sorry. now i think i understand. the proposal has treasury make the payments on behalf of everyone to keep the bookkeeping straight.
wouldn’t ever have to pay them. temporary increase in fed deficit spending to cover the difference.
Selise is SO MUCH smarter than I that I feel really silly responding, but, ahhm, I’d just about bet the ranch that what selise was talking about (and what I think of when I hear this argument) is that the earnings and stuff continues to be accrued as if the taxes remained the same, it was just a temporary halt on those moneys being withheld, while you still got credit for the work and money earned.
Obviously though, this wouldn’t explain that reasoning if the suspension were permanent. In that case, your points are valid. I just didn’t think that’s where selise was going, is all.
Just out of pure conjecture between Obama and FDR’s mindset, having no special insight into either man, it appears to me that Obama is enthralled by monied interests whereas FDR was inured of it.
FDR coming from wealth and priviledge knew first hand the arrogance and indifference typical of monied interests toward the public and likely developed a disdain for it. Obama on the other hand as an aspirant to that world of priviledge stands in awe of it and has neither the disposition nor the nerve to act against their priviledged status.
Because of his indifference to priviledge FDR was able to identify the greed of corparatists as the root cause of the downfall of the economy while Obama shakes in the presence of CEO’s and Banksters that have led the economy over a cliff and the people with it.
Obama will never approach the boldness and determination to act against the monied class which FDR had no hesitation about doing and as a result will accomplish nothing by comparison. He will pass as Clinton did as a mediocre President.
In many ways Roosevelt merits enormous credit for his willingness to engage in massive government programs without a real roadmap as the Keynesian advocacy for such an approach had no history of success. Obama by contrast has Keynes and the financial sector collapse that led to the Depression to draw on and can only offer tepid and anemic half measures.
No comparison of Obama to FDR is even remotely conceivable. FDR in hindsight was truly a remarkably bold man of action as few others while Obama is nothing but a talker afraid to leave his mark on any piece of legislation or to risk or dare to do anything but play it safe.
Others may see that we owe allegiance to Obama but allegiance is earned not an obligation. I for one have nothing but contempt for him. Let us not sully the good name of FDR by mentioning Obama in the same breath.
How about this:
“Although the challenges were not of the same scale, both FDR and Obama came into office with the opportunity to make wholesale change in decrepit and corrupt systems… and only one chose the high road.”
Ahh, okay, gotcha gotcha gotcha.
Now that I’m clear on the specific proposals, is there anything that suggests Warren Mosler isn’t just campaigning on a good message and then planning on NOT working towards it when he’s elected?
Not my intent to twist the knife inside the wound but President Obama did that, too.
Hmmm, interesting. That’d be quite the deficit. Businesses also pay into payroll taxes for every employee. If they were included in the suspension that’s a lotta bucks. We’d literally be printing money. With no payroll tax revenue wouldn’t the value of the currency drop like a stone on the currency markets, with the consequences thereof?
i agree with everything you wrote — except for the smarter part. NOT! (but it was a very kind lie, so thank you *g*)
I mean, don’t get me wrong…liberalism is bs. And FDR was a liberal. We need a heavy, heavy dose of socialism in this country. A full frontal breath of fresh air liberating people to spend more time with their families, enjoy life on this earth. Socialism is freedom. Capitalism is a horrible lodestone draining the life-force out of every one of us.
Will it happen? Probably not. But we need it badly.
Those figures are only for Iraq.
You need The Secret Behind the Sanctions from Common Dreams to appreciate infrastructure devastation in Iraq before it was torn apart. Rebuilding utilities…didn’t happen. Universities,hospitals,electrical power,water treatment…gone. Then again,figures of deaths from the invasion never include little things like the genocide of Christian Assyrian pacifists by the Kurds.There is deliberate skewing of the death figures too. I don’t find the 1 1/3 million deaths from Just Foreign Policy unreasonable in a place where 5 million are driven from their homes in a country of what was 29 million.
Check ‘Deaths From Military Actions’ http://my.opera.com/oldephartte/links/
In Collections Forwarded to Blogger ‘Water – Wealth and Power’ is a cross link to different problems both in the U.S. and abroad – and includes the Sanctions results. ‘Documents’ include both Post Saddam Iraq and the State Dept. analysis.
Cheney is illuminating when he describes the reasons NOT to invade Iraq during the Gulf War on YouTube.
I think you might have something there, in the sense of FDR being thoroughly jaded of the ultrarich and captains of industry, and knowing firsthand what cold selfish bastards they can be.
As to the lack of economic theory, there was a kind of naive directness to his approach, that I think was more along the lines of, “People need jobs? I’ll give ‘em jobs. Companies did stupid selfish things that crashed the economy? I’ll institute reforms so they can’t do that again.” More of an engineer or (competent) CEO approach.
The Secret Behind the Sanctions
… What strikes me as hilarious is how simple and easy-to-understand and almost boneheadedly uncomplicated your ‘People need jobs? I’ll give ‘em jobs. Companies did stupid selfish things that crashed the economy? I’ll institute reforms so they can’t do that again.’ synopsis is.
I used to think that this was how people thought about solving problems. “The problem is X. (joblessness.) I’ll fix that problem by doing Y. (giving jobs to people.)”
But apparently it takes focus groups, polling, hours of argument and negotiation and political study and Q and A sessions and hundreds of elections and campaign committees to get to that point. And even then not so much.
… Shouldn’t everyone realize this right off the bat?
business portion also included.
i think the idea IS to increase deficit spending. and here comes the really fun part… the first time i heard anything about him is that i heard him speak (on the same panel with james galbraith and a couple of other very progressive heterodox economists of the post keynesian variety — rob parenteau and randall wray) via mp3 at last april’s 18th annual minsky conference and the levy institute. i’ve been reading up on them and i’m now persuaded they have a better grasp of macro than any other economic intellectual school (that’s not the right way to describe it, but i don’t know any better).
if you are interested in more details econ-wise, i highly highly recommend wray’s book, understanding modern money.
I couldn’t agree with you more.
I saw very early on after the enormous TARP giveaway to Banks that Obama was a worhtless shill to predatory capitalists. He has only confirmed that impression ever since.
I agree, but I don’t think the Dems. understand yet how badly there really doing.
dude. no way am i gonna vouch for any politician or anyone running for office for that matter (and i don’t know enough about mosler’s other policy issues yet to even recommend him or vote for him myself). that said, he’s rich — background on wall street — and doesn’t need money or power or fame, he’s nobody’s fool, and he’s been working with academic economists (progressive heterodox ones like galbraith, wray, davidson) to make policy recommendations, write papers, etc.
and right now i’m more interested in the macro econ and policy recommendations that flow from it. i’m definitely on the steep side of the learning curve.
Obama so far is a BIG ZERO. I’ve way lowered my expectations for this guy. He appears to not only be weak but clueless as well. I think he figures no matter what he does he’s already hit the jack pot. Sad, he could have really been a game changer. Now ere facing a really scary return of the Gopers selling their Alaskan saint Ms. Palin.
Well, it really wasn’t a lie, so I can’t say you’re welcome.
Your (and many others to be honest) posts whether it be in the main post or the comment section, more often than not teaches me something I didn’t know before. That’s one of the reasons I LOVE FDL, I not only find real progressives here, but I find real knowledge here, not just oft repeated bullshit.
But what the hell, you’re welcome anyway. *g*
Why, thank you!
No, they most certainly do not.
You are more than welcome.
Give credit where credit is due!
p.s. re currency. my reference to wray’s book was supposed to address part of your question. the other part is, i probably have no clue, but i think the issue is more political than economic: will we be permitted to keep the main reserve currency and all the benefits we derive from that?
sorry getting sleepy and extra stupid.
I heard someone from Denmark say, “We don’t have much stuff. We have more life.”
Happiest people on the planet.
jmo, we’re all smarter when we work together on figuring stuff out.
It’s amazing at the consistent rankings for quality of life in Denmark, Sweden, etc. And they’re WILDLY socialist and capitalism is a very small, regulated tool to that success.
I always find it funny that you will NEVER hear conservatives or moderates talk about Denmark, Sweden, Finland, the Netherlands, etc. unless it’s in some scary context or social immorality context.
like universal healthcare. that’s the kind of stuff we actually need.
I’ve no problem with wanting to move more in that direction, and it’s a possibility. But the idea here, of finding enough common ground with Palin populists to further progressive goals is nuts. And I’m sick of the FDR meme, ginning up the crowd with completely bogus analogies is either disingenuous or willfully ignorant.
My wife and I said that the other night. When he comes on the Tele we can’t even listen to his empty rhetoric. “Tell me great hero, but please make it brief, is there a hole for me to get sick in?”
One way to help credit payroll taxes back to the middle class would be to remove the exemption of SSN and Medicare so the rich pay the same proportion of their income for safety net. Also, small businesses could be helped by temporarily freezing matching SSN and Medicare payments on a graduated basis and ending with businesses of greater than 500,000 in yearly payroll. This of course, won’t be done anytime soon with Obamanomics in full swing.
I blogged about that, not so very long ago, in a piece that was very similar to this one in many ways.
No, selise. Without a big jobs program, and doing something about foreclosures and the toxic assets, there’s a double-dip coming.
Another point. Mosler believes in the approach. He helped developed it. he has a vested interest in seeing it through.
In CA the housing bubble and the employment meltdown began in ’04. It was also occurring in other states, I believe, albeit not as large and rapidly.
In in CA, the damage was being LARGELY done, as early as ’04.
And I don’t think we are at bottom YET!
And I don’t think the nation has seen the worst, yet, either, on that we agree.
Question is, what happens when the nation REALLY tanks? More so than it already has?
What happens?
ME? The people go apeshit. What form that takes is not predictable by me.
But I predict the people WILL go apeshit . . . hungry, homeless and unemployed folks that don’t have soup kitchens, bread lines and government help will tend to go apeshit, and that’s how this is gonna be different from the depression, FDR, and our past.
This one is gonna be ugly.
Upcoming Supreme Court decision on Citizens United v. FEC is about to cut away the last vestiges of democratic integrity this nation has.
And on top of that travesty, the economy will continue to collapse.
It’s DEFINITELY gonna be ugly.
The public needs an education on the New Deal to replace the revisionist history provided by the likes of Amity Shlaes and Glenn Beck.
Sadly I find that even some of my in laws watch Fox News. They really do think the New Deal was about paying men to lean on empty shovels(a boondoggle).
650,000 miles of road
78,800 bridges
123,000 buildings
800 airports
475,000 works of art
The Cow Palace in San Fran
La Guardia Airport, NYC
Reagan National Airport, DC
TVA
And the list goes on…. It’s just amazing what men can accomplish while leaning on empty shovels. The public needs to be educated that our labor force is a national resource that needs to be fully utilized.
Politicians won’t do a damn thing unless the public demands it. They’re perfectly happy following the upsidedown Wallstreet line that the nation cannot afford to employ it’s workforce.
“In many ways Roosevelt merits enormous credit for his willingness to engage in massive government programs without a real roadmap as the Keynesian advocacy for such an approach had no history of success. Obama by contrast has Keynes and the financial sector collapse that led to the Depression to draw on and can only offer tepid and anemic half measures.
No comparison of Obama to FDR is even remotely conceivable. FDR in hindsight was truly a remarkably bold man of action as few others while Obama is nothing but a talker afraid to leave his mark on any piece of legislation or to risk or dare to do anything but play it safe.”
I suspect a comparison between the two is quite possible if you get your FDR political history straight.
When he took office, FDR really did NOT have a plan except he believed in experimentation. If something worked, fine. If not, try something else.
While he gets credit during the first hundred days for “big things” such as starting TVA or Glass Steagall, in fact those were not his ideas. TVA had been the baby of George Norris for about 16 years — congress came within one vote in 1922 of handing off to Henry Ford for a dollar the power generating capacity of Muscle Shoals, the heart of TVA, but Senator Norris had passed the bill finally under Hoover, only to have it vetoed. Congress passed it again after little debate, and FDR signed. FDR didn’t even support Senator Glass’s bill initially, it was only after he saw that Glass had the Senate votes that he signed on.
The centerpiece of what Historians call the “First New Deal” was NRA, the National Recovery Act, popularly known as the Blue Eagle Campaign. It was a price and wage setting arrangement, with employers in the driver’s seat in negotiations as to the formulas to be used. It was declared unconstitutional (thank God) in 1935, allowing FDR to come back in 1935 with real minimum wage and hour legislation (The Wagner Labor Act) much of which still is on the books. Wagner Act is part of what Historians call the Second New Deal.
CCC was NOT a Jobs program. It was a vaguely para-military program run by the Army (the camps) and the Forest Service in Agriculture and the National Parks in Interior — (the projects.) Dept. of Labor did not count enrollees in CCC as employed. The pay was a dollar a day plus board and room, army medical care, and eventually remedial education. All but 5 dollars per month had to be sent home to families, as the only young men who could enroll were those from families on relief. CCC was part of the first New Deal. In 1935, Second New Deal, Works Progress Administration the WPA, was established, and it paid 22 dollars a week for a 35 hour week (just slightly above the level of relief). WPA focused more on Urban Projects, and thus did not require room and board or camps.
Given the difficulty Obama had getting the Stimulus Bill through the Senate last February, I think any comparison with FDR has to begin with awareness that Obama just has not had the kind of a majority in Congress to push more than he has accomplished. FDR had a significant number of Republicans who voted for his proposals (note my mention of George Norris of Nebraska — an old time Progressive who dated back to TR and the Bull Moosers.) Obama has been looking down the throat of the Ideology of NO, and he can’t suggest anything that breaks the necessary 60 vote requirement. FDR had many constraints too — all the Senate Committee Chairs were Southern Dixiecrats, and he could not offer anything that crossed the peculiar institution of racial segregation. He was forced to drop Agriculture Workers and Domestic Help from Social Security because the Southern Senators would not support such a program for black labor. (and in the 30′s domestic service and ag labor was what blacks did in most of the South.) Social Security did not get straightened out till 1956 when Lyndon Johnson and Eisenhower agreed to extend coverage to these labor catagories.
During the First New Deal, FDR was a very committed Budget Balancer — and he cut government salaries during the first 100 days to this end. It was only a few years later — second New Deal — that he allowed any deficit finance, and one of the criticisms of FDR is that he cut programs before the recovery was well established in 1937, leading to the second dip of the depression in 1938.
Now I am a strong defender of FDR and much of the New Deal — taught it at the University for a number of years, and have done some original research in the papers at Hyde Park. I think FDR is a “standard” against which one can compare other presidents, not so much by particular programs, but because of FDR’s progressive pragmatic politics. His genius was his political skill. He rarely got out ahead of public opinion, but he knew how to shape opinion so as to win battles in Congress. I believe Obama has many of the same skills — but he faces a very different environment, so we will just have to see how well he matches his skills up with the requirements of today.
The same laws that had to be changed for Enron have gone back to the original in NY and ME. First Wind, wind farm corporation , is running the show . Has Larry Summers backing it. They bought a lot of Enron assets and got ex executives with the deal. The plan. Close power plants,hike prices and export energy.
Larry Summers working through D E Shaw Group , where he was a marketing director, is breaking the law right and left. No one dares to cross this organization. So many private citizens were threatened in NY , the AG had to start an investigation. No indictments , although there is plenty of evidence.It all goes under the radar because the propaganda is all about green energy.
The stimulus funds were supposed to give people jobs. One of the areas was wind farms. Money was to go to existing wind farms …through the stimulus bill. Instead, First Wind started building a wind farm with stimulus funds here in ME. The fact that it is illegal does not seem to matter. The only rep. objecting is Rep Erric Massa out of NY.
Odd. …nobody is talking about repealing NAFTA and how it relates to our lack of jobs.
In short, FDR took dramatic action to benefit ordinary citizens, and achieved dramatic, tangible results. Obama has not, and has not.
In short, FDR was a leader. obama is an insider wannabe, looking out for insiders.
Our first mistake is believing that there is any difference between Democrats and Republicans and that contemporary politicians possess one shred of integrity. They both represent the same corupted policy ideals of their corporate masters. Money is King and the life blood of politicians and the status quo. It’s the only explanation of how a collective political body could act so willfully ignorant of reality. And for Krugman’s bullsh**t what about the fact that 70% of Americans wanted a a choice of a public option in health care reform. Oh I get it, that was just a fringe progressive thing.
I’m not sure we’re going to be successful at diverting blame to the Repubs and Blue Dogs this time. The stimulus bill was democratic party pork from day one. How do we pull the pubs in at this point?
But how does a bankrupt government pay for it? We’re tapped out on debt. We’re hitting up the rich to pay for healthcare so there is nothing there. Taxing business just causes more job loss. So the question, how does the government pull this off?
Those are items that should have been in the February NRRA but weren’t because of Republicans (remember “bipartisanship”) and conservative Dems. There was a revolving loan fund for states, which was controversial and scaled down. In fact most states didn’t seek funds from the revolving fund because adding debt even no-interest debt would “lower their credit ratings” (the whip state and local deficit scolds use against doing anything practical). Anybody can adopt a “Tea Party” label, but running as a Dem might make Dick Army angry.
The big difference between now and FDR’s thirties is that in the thirties we were, as China is today, the world’s creditor nation. The national debt, even in those dollars, was miniscule. Today we are the world’s largest debtor with an unsupportable national debt. What if the treasury holds and auction and no one bids? We need far more imagination than this administration has.
Well, the Dems turned into supply siders. FDR also didn’t have “free trade” agreements shacking him. Not that I’m offering Obama excuses, it’s just that the real power in this country has been privatized and off shored.
I suspect Israel is calling alot of the shots.
Take a look at Obama’s priorities:
Obama Tries to Turn Focus to Jobs, if Other Events Allow
Pretty much tells you how seriously he takes the plight of the American people …if you didn’t know already
It’s nice to be briefed by someone that is so well versed in the history of FDR’s legislative accomplishments, but in so doing you are in fact making my point all the more.
There is absolutley no comparing FDR’s accomplishments with that of Obama’s lack of accomplishments. Obama is a doctrinaire free market advocate and his sympathies lie with business not with the public. That is clear by what he has done.
The bailout of the banks with the public’s money with nothing in return could not make this point clearer. Given several options to reign in the banks he chose the options which benefited the banks most at the expense of the public. The same with the mortage crisis and the diluted stimulus package and the health care reform effort.
To maintain with all this evidence in hand that somehow Obama in spite of all his best efforts is just being held in check by a recalcitrant Congress is absolutely absurd. You yourself point out that FDR had his own set of obstacles which he overcame and translated into action and accomplishments the very thing Obama is unwilling or incapable of doing. Also Obama has a Democratic Congress and the public’s clear preferences as to what they need and want.
I am afraid that all you have done is butress the case for the ineptness of Obama as contrasted with FDR. To lay your hopes that somehow if we just were more patient we would see all that Obama will accomplish is futile and baseless. His presidency is only going downhill from here. He has alienated those that expected something bold and to the benefit of the public from him and he has disappointed. And the opposition to him from the right will only increase.
He has basically thrown away his best chances of accomplishing anything meaningful because of his own decisions. Unlike FDR Obama is a weak prevaricator and already people have turned against him they have taken the measure of the man and found him wanting.
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One reason is because there will soon be a butt load of small business who will be closed because of unpaid payroll tax liabilities.
Many companies are facing cash flow problems. When that happens, payroll taxes don’t get paid. If you don’t pay your suppliers, they cut you off. Don’t pay your utilities, they shut them off. If you don’t pay your taxes, nothing happens in the short term. It takes the tax man over a year or longer before he comes and talks to you about unpaid taxes.
I am a CPA. and when I go to the IRS or the state to discuss past due tax liabilities, the lobby is full of people in the same situation.
The Crash hasn’t even begun yet. Give it another two years.
i guess i don’t see the first dip over yet. but maybe it’s all semantics — i don’t think either of us sees a good path to a widely shared improving standard of living that is economically or environmentally or sustainable without massive restructuring.
re mosler. from everything i’ve heard and read, i agree.
loaning $$ to the states is quite different from a grant as states do have to worry about borrowing costs (not having a monopoly on their own currency – their budgets are more like ours in the private sector than the fed budget). a grant would let them spend counter cyclicly without penalty.
mosler can explain these issues (fed gov budget issues, operations of the fed and treasury, etc) to the public in a way that obama et al. can’t (probably because they don’t understand it themselves). for that reason alone, i’m hoping mosler can get as much attention as ross perot did (and maybe undo some of the resulting fed budget deficit nonsense).
I don’t think I’ve even seen lip service since he was elected.
You people seem to think FDR magically saved the country with such things as the New Deal and spending like crazy. He did not. We suffered for many years until the real thing that got us out of trouble came along: World War II.
Not sure we want to repeat that.
Rahm knows what he’s doing.
Stop wasting trillions of dollars on wars that make us less safe?
But apparently we can afford billionaire bankers.
I hear ya. The real crash lays ahead as small businesses collapse left and right. Then once tax revenues decline States and Towns are forced to lay off and stop paying pensions etc. People better be aware that all this has happened in the past and even worse things like the collapse of the Soviet State are possible. The Feds. can try pumping the country full of worthless dollars for a while but in the end people need work not welfare. All hell is going to be paid for yrs. of neglect and for political cowardice on all sides.
Right you are, massive restructuring.
We don’t need to auction off any debt. We can print money or issue electronic credits and rebuild our country. We can also pay off our debt to China with the money we create. There’s absolutely nothing that can do about it, except quit selling us stuff. Please, please, throw me in that briar patch.
As long as we have a massive trade deficit, there will always be a market for our debt. Those offshore dollars have to come back to the good ole US of A. It comes back by purchasing gov’t debt. Also, as long as the capital requirements for banks holding T-bills is 0%, the banks will always buy the debt.