Needless to say, I have been reading a lot about MIT “health economist” and (now it can be revealed!) government contractor Jonathan Gruber (maybe you have, too), and I must tell you, this one really disappoints me.
It’s not like I haven’t been disappointed in the Obama Administration before—well, let me check that. Disappointment implies expectations, and, honestly, I did not expect that much. I knew Obama was no flaming liberal; in fact, I thought him a relatively conservative incrementalist. I did not expect an immediate and complete about face from the Bush years when it came to the policies I so despised, but I did hope, I admit, that this administration would at least behave better. I understood that they might not take things in the leftward direction I wanted, but I thought they would be, on the whole, more honest and above board in the process of governing. I thought they wouldn’t try to do things the way Bush-Cheney did, just using the relativist excuse that they were doing it for a superior end.
So, this Gruber scandal disappoints. Let me focus on one example.
Remember, back in November, when everyone inside the Beltway was all a-twitter (in both senses of the phrase) about how Obama’s Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, was making practically every White House staffer read an Atlantic article by Ron Brownstein? That piece, touting what FDL’s own Jon Walker called “free market economagic,” relied heavily on the work of Jonathan Gruber—then billed as “a leading health economist at MIT,” now well-understood to be a super-remunerated contractor in the employ of several parts of the Obama Administration.
Rahm Emanuel, the White House maestro, makes a big show of telling everyone to read an article by Brownstein based on the work of Gruber, who is himself working to shape the White House health plan—in order to justify how spot-on the thinking is inside the White House. It’s a near perfect circle as is, but it gets even better (or worse).
Along with Rahm letting everybody know he was letting everybody know, OMB Director Peter Orszag got on the White House blog to push the Brownstein article and an op-ed that Orszag penned for the Washington Post that touted a letter he co-signed with Jonathan Gruber. Orszag and Gruber go back a ways–years earlier, Orszag worked with Gruber to co-write at least two papers for a Boston College think tank called the Center for Retirement Research.
Rahm didn’t leak that Gruber worked for the administration. Gruber didn’t tell Brownstein that he worked for the administration. Orszag doesn’t disclose his prior relationship with Gruber.
It’s hinky on its face, for sure, but what really gets me is the broad similarities this has to the way the Bush Administration worked the press during the last decade. Cheney would authorize a leak about a possible terror plot, a link to an alleged state-sponsor of terrorism, the use for some assortment of aluminum tubes, or the provenance of some copper casings, and then you would see these items reported in all the right, respectable places. Then, Dick Cheney, or Condi Rice, or any of host of other Bush White House proxies would go on the Sunday shows and warn us that the threats had to be real—after all, it was right there in the New York Times and/or Washington Post.
This time, it is not about terror, but it is about something that most likely will directly affect the lives of even more Americans—health care reform. And the Obama Administration has created the same sort of feedback loop to distort the debate.
Even the author of that must-read screed seems a little bent out of shape. Posting at the Atlantic about today’s revelations, Brownstein concludes:
Bottom line from my view: readers should have been aware of Mr. Gruber’s relationship with the administration so they could make their own judgments on whether that would qualify or color their assessment of his analysis. Personally, I don’t see evidence that he functioned as an advocate for the administration, rather than an analyst with his own distinctive views. Still readers should have been aware of the connection so they could have made that judgment for themselves, and I wish I had known about it during my conversations with him.
Yes, readers like me should have known because it sure as sugar does color my assessments. Not so much of the Brownstein article in-and-of itself—I already knew how ridiculous most of that was from spending this last year in the health care weeds—but, instead, of the Obama Administration as a whole. I didn’t want a bunch of guys on “my team” who could just do the same crap that Bush and Cheney did, but do it better—I just wanted better.
Color me disappointed.




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Lost me in the second paragraph dood.
So easy in hindsight to say how we “all saw the real Obama”.
Sorry, maybe you’re one of the ones that truly did, but I’m so goddammed tired of being ridiculed by those who weren’t that I can’t tell the difference anymore.
Fact is OBAMA FOOLED A LOT OF US. And that’s OBAMA’s BAD. NOT ours, thank you very much for smugly mentioning that you weren’t fooled.
Among the least expected ChimpCo retreads, in my mind.
And a real heart-griping conclusion to a journey we needed to take.
Damn.
And thank you very much. I am amazed at how much our govt seems to have learned from Bush…..Who’d athought?
I get what you are saying….I still hold on to some hope for a new direction.
ditto for me although I never had very high expectations of B. O. gut feel… still don’t trust him..
You lost me, OldFatGuy. I don’t see smug here. But I am heart-sick all the same.
At this point I don’t believe there is any abuse of power committed by the Bush/Cheney Junta of which the Obama Administration is incapable.
A lot of Obama supporters owe an apology to Hillary. We not only ended up with her corporatism but also her shitty political operation.
Rein in wall street and insurers = Democratic landslides for a generation
How stupid do you have to be at politics to fuck that up? These blue dogs will drown in November (the only bright spot for this year) because of their conservatism. Unless the President starts to wake up, he will follow them.
apparently obama is a master at fooling people.
It’s pretty much true. From civil liberties, and war policy to states secret doctrine. He’s just not as exessive and has a D after his name.
When I consider how appalled I have been at W/Shooter, I can hardly hold those thoughts together…Just wow.
On a different note, did you order your CD?
I was shopping at Amazon today and noticed that a lot of remastered versions of Lou Reed albums are available for $6.99. Free shipping if the order is over $25. Think it might be time to upgrade some titles in my collection.
if OFG won’t be pissed off at me, can i just say that imo anyone who read gruber’s nov “reports” should have known the guy was a shill (i did read them and the cbo reports and ahip report he referenced)? what’s new is that apparently he was a paid shill.
Yes, because someone who puts Mark Penn at the head of her campaign strategy is sure to lead with integrity and forthrightness.
How much more of this will it take to recognize that it’s time to support an impeachment investigation and at least attempt to salvage something we acheived in 2008?
While this current activity might not reach the level of a high crime and/or misdemeanor, it should at least tell us that this administration is not the sort which should be protected against paying for other actions and policies which certainly are deserving of that description.
Folks, Obama is not worth supporting.
Just get there, democrats, by whatever road or side road or hiking trail leading up yonder where nobody in his right mind goes makes you gasp and hit the brakes. Whatever shakes you by the shirt.
“I knew all along Obama was a cautious incrementalist” is, at least, better than “Give the guy some time…we got brains in the White house now…he’s bipartisaning for us!”
No, no, no. Get in the car and let’s go.
(Thanks, OldFatGuy. Me too.)
If anything, shooter should be flattered.
The lesson of Watergate SHOULD have been that no one is above the law, not even the president. The lesson people like Cheney and Rummy took from it was do what thou will but create enough implausible deniability to CYA. Obama certainly appears to be following in their footsteps.
The Gruber thing just raises the stench level another notch, but it smelled so bad already do ya suppose anyone will really notice?
Oh, really?
Short-sighted nonsense.
I was about to say dream on but then I thought that if a disguntled Dem got the idea the Rs would be only too glad to help.
OH but, god damn, rahm emmanuel, a real evil genius, right? everyone on the hill scared to death of him and all that.. and larry summers! hes a proffesor of something. and Hil and bil themselves flying around the world like wonder woman and captain america, saving everybody. he can we lose!? …?
no hes not, but what good what an impeachment circus provide? it…never mind this isnt worth discussing.
Well, heck, apparently so was Bush, so is Cheney, so is Palin, so is Lieberman, so are Reid and Pelosi, so is Barbara Boxer (her especially), so are Glenn Dreck and Dominican Republic vacationer (wink) Rush Limbaugh. I’m starting to think it’s us.
no hes not, but what good what an impeachment circus provide? it…never mind this isnt worth discussing
Well, at this point I suppose I should apoligize to everyone, and especially Greg Levine.
It’s just that I not only supported, I worked for (volunteered), gave (real dollars), and really cared (no shit, bought the Change line hook, line, and sinker) that IMO SOME (not all) but SOME of those that show up now to rub it in my face just gets damned old, OK?
Sorry, but, just being honest. Obama pulled a real job. I’m not the only one. It was a REAL con job. And HE’s the asshole for that, NOT those of us that fell for it.
OK???
Nothing like amping up the rhetoric.
well amped rehtoric is fine, recycled retarded rhetoric from freeper sites i can live without though
I think that between the impeachment of Clinton and the non-impeachment of Bush, it is now imposssible to impeach for just cause.
Your comment is being misread and misunderstood.
Think of the harm he has done to future candidates. In the unlikely event anybody honest ever does run for president, why should anybody trust them?
Not much danger of that happening though, by the time anybody rises high enough to make a viable run at it they’ve already mortgaged their soul to every special interest on Earth.
impeachment for anything less than “high crimes and misdnomeanors” is a cheap, cheap newt gingrich trick. it didnt work. one thing i can agree with Prez with now is moveing forward. quickly. not back to the worthless 90′s
A-yep.
By the way, Helen Thomas dares ask “Why?”.
as for myself I understood i was trying to be smart alecky, if you read what i wrote i am in complete comiseration.
So, if I get what you’re saying right, it’s that…
‘The Obama administration intends to contrast itself to the Bush administration by BEING the Bush administration.’
… It’s telling that these are the people the MSM and Democrats hail as being brilliant political thinkers.
Is there ANYONE actually paying attention who in a position of power or influence these days?
no im with you old fat guy. i worked for that campaign as well. there were a approx a million people at his inauguration. some ( if not most) of the hindsighters are totally full of shit. but i dont think anyone blames you or anyone else that supported obama.
I forgo snark tags… just don’t like them.
But in the spirit of…
So we traded a Penn for a Rahm… about equal.
I suspect if the GOP had legislative majorities they’d impeach Obama at the drop of a hat. His overlooking Bush crimes will win him no similar favors from the opposition. They won’t be in a position to take action before the end of this term but if he should win a second term it might come into play.
OFG, you didn’t call me a concern troll or give me shit when i was ranting re summers, biden and fisa — no way am i going to give you a hard time for caring and putting action behind your words. all i’ll say now is: good on you and we’ve got our work cut out for us.
We were all desperate. The only other option was a senile version of Bush.
Suppose Obama was as savvy a President as he was a candidate-
Is there any stake at all in knowingly, willfully, and gleefully disappointing and disaffecting your entire base?
Is this the same operation that schooled the Clinton machine?
Yeah RF, to be honest, THAT’s by far the BIGGEST problem (and the biggest CON). He turned on (and now has turned off) a whole generation of voters.
And you know what??? I just can’t help but think it was INTENTIONAL. (Sorry, know that sounds like another far fetched conspiracy theory, but dammit maybe, just maybe, some of those are RIGHT!??).
Helen might be the last competent journalist in DC, certainly in the WH press corp.
There will never be public discussion by our leaders regarding how our foreign policies foment anti-American sentiment in the rest of the world, Muslim and otherwise. Just some bullshit platitude such as, “They hate us because we’re free.”
So we’re supposed to know the guy’s a paid shill even though the brownstein ass didn’t? What, I’m supposed to consult a seer on the matter, tarot cards, entrails? Self serving crap, brownstein, which makes you a paid shill too. Where’s baby boy Ezra?
N’other news….
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/lame-o-rama-by-digby-howie-at-down-with.html
Don’t know Mr. Levine, but encouraging to read his words:
The only thing I’ve learned in the past ten years is this: The ends never justify the means because we never know the ends. We never know the ends, so the legislators that make the them damn well better justify the means. Obama never does.
I’ve just done some connect-the-dots and the WH *knew* he was on the payroll. I’ve seen many people defend this claiming that it’s common for academics to get government contracts, but how many government contractors get invited to the WH the very day they get a contract with the administration? According to USASpending.gov Gruber got his first $95K contract on 3/25/09 and on that very afternoon according to the WH vistor log he got an appointment scheduled for the WH to happen the very next day. So the day after he gets the $95K contract he met with Peter Orzag for about an hour and half! Scheduling a meeting at the WH the day you get a contract from the Admin isn’t exactly like any random academic getting a government contract by a long shot. Clearly the WH knew he was under contract, so whenever they’d cite him, they’d know they were touting was not only on their payroll but had personally been sent to the WH the minute they got their payola.
Totally Dude!(I’m from Ca). He’s pulling the same trianglation bullshit Clinton did and it might get him the same result.
Perhaps I can reply to you and newtonusr @ 43 at the same time.
No, I don’t believe it was intentional. IMO Obama mistakenly believed that he could charm the electorate and fluff Wall Street and corporate interests simultaneously. It was a gamble that might have worked if the economy had rebounded quicker. He can’t sell his bullshit to the public when so many people have lost or are worried about losing their livelihood.
Isn’t there some saying about not attributing to malicious intent what is easily attributed to stupidity or ignorance?
I suppose it’s possible that the turn on/turn off thing was intentional prior to it ever happening, but it’s incredibly unlikely.
It’s more likely that President Obama and Rahm were so gleeful that they were landslided into victory that they had a ‘mandate’ to do whatever they wanted, not to do what was needed or what was right.
That or when they got into office, they looked at the masses of supporting voters, and then the masses of bankers, corporate leaders, and made a choice.
OR they simply thought that the public really wanted New Democrat, Third Way, DLC policies to prevail. (Yes, this would require either incredibly stupidity or incredible arrogance, but never count either of those out when you’re talking about human beings.)
Yes we do. Unfortunately, but yes we do.
Hope we all remember that. Cause the fucking assholes that we’re working against NEVER forget that.
Assholes.
My question was more rhetorical.
I am still unable to cope with the reality that he is what he is. But I am even further puzzled over their complete lack of political practicality. Historic opportunities, historic… what’s the word – dissonance. They are blowing it every way possible.
maybe just a shill? i’m a skeptic, so i read a few of gruber’s reports and references. and then got in big arguments about them in the diaries (some links here if you want to know why i thought gruber was writing bullshit back in nov)
it’s a job requirement for successful politicians.
Don’t let it get you down, there is a lot of good in the world (granted, not in politics). Don’t let your happiness be contingent on things you currently lack (such as good government). Derive all the joy you can from the present.
On that note, I will bid everyone farewell so that I can share a song and dance with Bob. :-)
The national media has to be complicit in tamping down populist outrage. I havn’t seen a single thing on the tube where somebody points out that despite large gains in productivity,the average joe has seen his income decline. All I ask is one person with a national stage to say, what is wrong with this picture.
with videos??
nite ratfood.. go tuck Bob in..-
Actually, various ‘what’s wrong with this’ articles and pieces have been penned and presented by mainstream media. 60 Minutes and other shows often do these.
The problem is that Tiger Woods running around sticking his golf club in things captures people’s attention more easily. And because people pay more attention to constant media blasts of Tiger’s infidelity, it attracts more ratings. And therefore more money. News organizations are only going to go so far with what they SHOULD be doing as opposed to what MAKES THEM MONEY.
Contrast MSNBC with NPR. MSNBC is said to be the liberal news network, but they engage in mostly the exact same behavior, sensational-nonsense wise. It’s almost unheard of to hear six hours of programming on NPR about Tiger’s sex habits.
I keep coming back to numbers that we saw during the Obama stimulus fight. At or near the top of the list of things that were MOST stimulative – food stamps. Never mind infrastructure – this was a fight worth waging.
But I recall that Obama gave them up for nothing.
I am left with the haunting feeling that they traded them away because they didn’t want the nightly tv news to report that nearly a third of the nation used them – that the government helped feed the nation in a time of peril. They walked away because it would be illustrative of how much trouble we faced, and the trends would only get stronger, and that doesn’t play well.
So they just didn’t feed the nation for political appearances.
Wow, good job selise, you’ve been on the case all along. Thank you very much!
Hillary is not as corporate/conservative as Obama based on my personal experience as a ins co actuary and head of the tax dept plugged into the ins lobbying effort in 93 – it was Hillary pushing single payer back then – and it was Bill under the advice of the Current Obama people that shot her down – taking single payer off the table before she was given the task force. She is not against business – but is into regulation – and on health care – into single payer.
If you, as you posted, feel like saying sorry to the Hillary supporters who were called closet GOP for supporting her, that is your decision – but in doing so she should be seen as being to be a bit to the left of Obama in terms of deeds – Obama of course wins on words! While she is no Sanders type socialist, or pure anti-war advocate, well – neither was /is Obama.
“Break their hearts and stamp on the pieces,” as I wrote before the election. Even so, the corruption of the Obama administration is astonishing in its brazenness and scope–it has apparently been pwnd by the financiers.
‘Looking forward, not backward’ only works when all the skeletons have been cleared from the closets and buried, and those who put them in the closets have been punished.
I’m shocked to say this, but I agree that Hilary isn’t as much of a corporatist as Obama. I think the Clintons are the ones who opened up the corporatist floodgates, but it took Obama to perfect it.
And it will hurt them big time in the end, because a lot of those people, the ones who thought they would be helped and aren’t going to be getting it, or who are going to get less help than they need, were people who voted them into office.
That’s a really short-sighted strategy: cut off your supporters to gain points with people who would just as soon see you dead in the water.
I think it’s because it’s harder for various parties to skim off a percentage of foodstamps as opposed to say, gov’t contracts. But that’s just me.
It doesn’t matter to them. They’re getting paid, right? They’re not feeling the pinch of inflation. What’s the temperature in the White House, 88 degrees?
Come to my house, Mr. President. Bundle up.
True enough. But setting aside the long term ramifications for a moment, consider the short term.
You get to lash your opponents into submission for being callous, if you have the sack to step up and call them out.
You get to illustrate the dire consequences of Bushian Econ, of the hybrid Reagan Trickle-down, forever staining a theory that deserved all the discredit David Stockman could heap on it, and plenty more.
You get to do what government CAN DO best (if allowed) – step into a catastrophe and demonstrate that the Republicans message of less government was a ploy, a trick, a fools errand.
You get to do that which must be done in dire times – feed people.
If you have the sight.
My point exactly. No news about how bad off a great part of the nation is. No news, no outrage.
How very sad that the lesson Rahm learned from Biggus Dickus was how to do it, and not that if you do it, you’ll get caught.
(Kindly forgive x-post from ‘Paid Insider’ post:) This looks like tobacco-is-good science or no-climate-change science. The admin needed support so they went shopping and found a guy who had a pre-existing theory and a model that gave the outcomes they needed, and seemingly sincerely believed in them, so he’s who they hired. Not necessary to charge that he cooked the science to fit the client’s agenda, note that he evidently had the model first. None of which in any way excuses the disclosure lapses when it comes to his expert testimony in the HCSR debate, it’s just that I suggest they be considered separately from any doubts about the money tainting the science.
One difference from tobacco-is-good science or no-climate-change science: those are in actually scientific fields, whereas Gruber is doing economics, that dismalest of the sciences.
A point that Glenzilla has pounding relentlessly. Only when the elite is shown to be not above the law will our contry be back on track.
interesting and oddly soothing thread, thx everybody for variety of anger
Great article, Gregg. The whole stinking mess reminds me how much I miss the presence of Hunter Thompson.
Generation of swine, indeed.
I thought that Obama was the same as Hillary, a maybe a little more liberal, maybe not, but definitely much more politically astute.
The supposed nightmare that would have be fallen us – that evil Clintonian triangulation – is what we ended up with.
This excise tax hurts unions – full stop. I couldn’t care less if it even works (which it doesn’t) – you don’t fuck over your friends. You dance with the ones that brung ya, as Reagan used to say.
Of course the Senate bill also has abstinence funding, which not only doesn’t work but is a slush fund for conservative groups who donate to republicans.
Would rethugs ever help the opposition and shoot themselves in the foot like that?
Apparently Gruber lied about it to the Washington Post.
“UPDATE: Washington Post op-ed editor Autumn Brewington emails that the Post, as a practice, asks writers to disclose any “conflicts of interest that might be relevant to this op-ed, including but not limited to financial or family relationships with any of the subjects of the article” and that Gruber, when asked whether he “received any funding, for research or otherwise, from organizations or persons identified in the column,” answered “no.”"
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0110/Grubers_disclosure.html?showall
Intentional? Was there duplicity? If you assumed the whole campaign was a fraud from the start, then you could have predicted with 100% accuracy the buildup in Afghanistan, a healthcare bill that squeezes the middle class, and stimulus money that goes to wall street instead of main street.
People are tying themselves in knots trying to figure out what this Presdent’s thinking is. If you just assume he is a secret corporatist, the mystery goes away.
The Democratic Party is in disarray after one just year of this administration. How are things going to look in another 3 years?
Agreed.
Lessons from watergate? At least Nixon had the decency to step down when he was busted in public, and then Ford pardoned him. Hired thugs got thrown under the bus, along with one CIA agent.
These politicians sadly don’t even rise to the level of respectability of being able to wipe Nixon’s butt. Nancy Pelosi protecting the bush Cabal from impeachment for TORTURE, Charles Rangel is under investigation and refuses to step down from the ways and means committee chairmanship.. yada yada… Thats the lesson they learned, Protect the syndicate..
You mean sometime this year. The base is going to stay home in droves, the Rs will come back and impeach him.
Don’t be disappointed, Gregg.
It’s time to get angry.
How would you rate this compared to Teapot Dome?
in summary: our government sucks so completely and irretrievably, that meaningful changes can only be effected by getting off of our arses, pouring out into the streets and strenuously urging our Senators to just fucking resign now; demanding to see a shit storm of subpoenas and Administration resignations, and reminding Wall Street that when men were men, their betters used to defenestrate.
Anything less is ‘la la land’.
If you thought Gruber was bad…
Hey, guess what?
Supreme Court is expected to give its ruling on Citizens United v. FEC.
The end of democracy by real people and the beginning of democracy by legally created people (corporations).
And the amazing thing is just how easily and quietly this is going to happen.
that reminds me, teddy. i left you a comment a while back, but i think it was after you’d left the thread. if you’re still here i’d like to leave you a link back to it.
you really didn’t have many options. john mccain or barry soetero.
i was supporting cynthia, but she wasn’t on the ballot in texas.
so, the contest was fascist bastid versus fascist bastid.
sort of like all the previous presidential contests.
the continuing mystery is why it has been that barry’s cia employment goes undiscussed by the purported progressive left.
just as john kerry’s cia ties went ignored.
why is that do you think?
well, probably just another question that jane will censor.
barry was another puppet tailored by david rockefeller. think of all those that he has tailored, by the way. ike, nixon, gerald ford, jimmy carter, ronald reagan, george herbert walker bush and his son, and bill clinton.
the most interesting aspect of barry are his hidden columbia years. when i think he became mentored by david’s cardinal richelieu, zbig brezinski. the author of carter’s great game. the orchestrator of this latest version of the great game.
how fast will jane throw this down the rathole, do you think?
I’m just wondering if you guys are going to capitalize on all of this self-generated fury by producing a CD titled “Liberals gone wild!”….First : Let’s not dillute Obama’s “hankyness” by the obligatory comparison to the Bush’ form of “hanky”. Everyone’s ability to promote “hanky” should stand on it’s own! Second: The administration is playing to win with this HCR. Once Howard Dean, FDL and others from the left, started the “kill the bill” campaign; the Obama Team implemented the tools in their toolbelt (that literally makes Gruber a “tool”) to defeat you….Here’s my question: How “fair” has the writing at this site been regarding HCR post-public option? From the posts here, I see the very same “fact twisting” and played alliances that “disappoints” Gregg Levine .. Finally: As far as the lament about Obama not “really being left”; my response is –What?!..By FDL’s measurement, over 80% of Americans can be accused of “not really being left”…C’mon guys. The fact is that Obama CAN’T WIN by being as far left as Gregg Levine wants. Not when 40% of the country is self-identified as “conservative”….The whining reminds me of the predictable let downs when EVERY state hurts liberals by voting down same-sex marraige ballot initiatives. The “problem” for liberals is not Obama or Rahm. The problem is that you have little patience and you can’t seem to grasp that the root word of “Progressive” is PROGRESS. You can win the war over time. You just have to accept the realities of the current battles. Did Obama co-op Gruber to help him beat down the kill-the-bill campaign? You darn-well-skippy-better-believe-that-he-did! If that disappoints a few liberals..that’s ok. Most of us in the murky-middle WANT the POTUS to show strength and WIN. Hail to the Chief!
You just typed what I was THINKING. I wonder if President Obama is INTENTIONALLY screwing us over. I can’t say I trust Obama that much anymore.
ouch, the stupid!
You know what? I’m usually very polite and considerate, even to people I wildly disagree with.
But BULL.
You can say Obama never could have won and that the country is too conservative (both outstanding myths) but you know what?
Obama never tried. Never a discussion of single-payer. Never a discussion on health insurance as a public utility. Never a discussion on universal coverage.
So your nonsense argument that it was never possible to begin with is just another way of legitimizing and ‘whitewashing’ a failed moral choice. Obama was elected by the people to do a job for them and instead of doing that he kowtowed to special interest.
Want to know your problem? You’re absolutely happy to concede defeat before you even get off the ground.
Ordinarily, I would leave this untouched.
But this:
I give you Roe. Whittled down to a shrieking nub of a law, because Democrats, a party that would not exist if it were not for women, could not take the heat to stand up for women.
No, it does not get better. It shrinks to nothing, unless strong people stand up and say “No more.”
This is not such a President.
and just when you thought you couldn’t be looted any further, i exhort you to go to frequent this site. so that you can learn how barry and the boys are still targeting those moths in your pockets.
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/
Good Job, newtonusr.
You should never allow bullshite to go unchallenged, because then it just allows those that spout it to learn that there are no consequences to their actions.
I am not a big fan of my own soapbox. But I have watched the Democratic party sit by and let itself be marginalized, and with it everything the party claimed to stand for pilloried. Obama seems to like that trend, and I am not in support of letting it slide any further.
I don’t care if Alan Grayson doesn’t have a Progressive view of HC – dude is nails, and we need a few hundred more like him to slap the shit out of Washington.
Thanks for being polite even when you’re not being “polite” :) The problem is not that I “concede defeat”…It’s that too many here don’t or won’t see victory. The ONLY victory is the road that Obama’s taking…What’s the real beef here? Is it REALLY catastrophic that the House’s watered-down public option is not included? Even when logic (and most budget experts) tell you that the House Public Option was set up to fail?!?… In fact, it’s failure was virtually ASSURED with the diluted design of that plan….As far as ‘whitewashing’ is concerned, I’ll plead “guilty”. Will FDL?? Quoting selected experts who stand to benefit from their “stance”. Is that not EXACTLY what Howard Dean is doing? How many more “liberals” have bought Dr Dean’s book since he became the raging voice of “kill the bill”?..Gruber’s no more of an opportunist than Dean.
Hi Iam a conservative troll.Don’t feel bad it took me a long time to realize what was going on with Bush.I made excuses and defended him to family and co-workers.I finally had to call a spade a spade.I think he started out with good intentions, but surrounded himself with the wrong people and went along.We will get t5hrough this.
For the record, you will now be compelled to pay a percentage of your income to a private health insurance company, as will everyone else. Failure to pay will be swiftly enforced by the Internal Revenue Service.
How rapidly do you expect Congress or the President to purge that catastrophically undemocratic practice, given the money and the electoral leverage accorded them, and considering the ease with which these companies turned the Congress and the President into their bought dogs?
Really. I am asking that seriously. How long? And you call this a step forward?
No problem. Being polite is a good ideal. And I live my ideals.
Too many here won’t see victory? Nice way of shifting the blame away from anything you could possibly have responsibility for and putting it on the shoulders of the dissenters. Same strategy as the Obama administration. It’s nice when you think you don’t have to be accountable for your own behavior, isn’t it?
The ‘real beef’, AGAIN lies with things I’ve pointed out that you conveniently won’t address. I know, you don’t need to say it because you can’t argue against my contention. But, just in case you’d like to try…
Obama never tried. Never a discussion of single-payer. Never a discussion on health insurance as a public utility. Never a discussion on universal coverage.
Also, if Dean’s rationale for protesting the bill is a cynical attempt at self-advancement, then he’s just as corrupt and asinine as Gruber is. As ANYBODY that violates their own ethics for personal gains. And just to point it out? One person’s wrong choice doesn’t excuse another’s.
I’m sorry that you feel that way about Obama. Let’s understand why Roe is “whittled down to a nub”…When Reagan was elected, he and the GOP had a plan to change the character of the Supreme Court. This effort was continued through Bush I’s election. The “nub” that you refer to, is a direct result of a systemic domination of Presidential elections by the Republican Party SINCE Roe. There was not ONE deciding moment that required a “fight”. There were MANY battles won, which turned the tide of the War on female reproductive rights. You want to push back on Roe? Stand by the only Democrat who got more than 50% of the vote since LBJ! Do you think that Sotomayor will tend to vote like Alito or Roberts?….
This is quite literally, grossly incorrect. Here’s the Hyde Amendment.
How many more do you want? There are dozens.
You’re not a troll, sheric.
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Obama never campaigned for a single-payer system. He thought that it would be too disruptive. Realistically speaking, each country needs to build HCR from where they “are”. The country can’t go to single payer when it’s system is built on an employer based system. You can only get there over time (there’s that word again). Doctors would freak out because they make MUCH less in single-payer models. Do you honestly think that we can have healthcare reform with strong opposition from doctors??…They would kill ‘single payer’ from the start. The Senate had to drop a tax on cosmetic surgery because the AMA balked. Imagine the push back if you implemented a new healthcare system that cut their earnings by 30% or more! Without some doctor support, HCR is dead. Single payer is a liberal dream. The good news is that HCR starts to turn the battleship toward your goal.
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree..The Hyde Amendment is supported by over 70% of the country. You can’t have federal tax $$ going to abortion in this country. I’m pro choice and I don’t want tax dollars going toward abortion. What the pro-life crowd is trying to do is to change abortion legislation without putting it on the table as anti-abortion legislation. The Nelson compromise was accepted by a strong Liberal Senator (Boxer) and a strong pro-life Senator (Nelson). This country will not retract Hyde.
And she should go straight to electoral Hell for it. She is weak.
Abortion is by definition, reproductive health care, and this is an opinion I am not willing to compromise on.
But to the larger point, this is one of many legislative steps taken by brain-donors and Fundys to slenderize Roe, and the Democrats have stood by and watched.
TruthHurts, I think you got the Sockholm Syndrome, check it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
I never claimed he campaigned for a single-payer system. He also never even attempted to try to begin to approach considering discussing it before the American people. He apparently simply decided it was off the table. How convenient.
And yes, instituting a single-payer system in this country WOULD be difficult. So is quitting smoking. Or sobering up from alcoholism. Or fighting an international terrorist organization without allegiance to country, region, or person. So is occupying a nation with no historical connections to American culture or democracy in general.
Quick sidenote: A large cross-section of American doctors favor a single-payer system.
This stuff about O not campaigning for the public option and/or single payer has already been debunked. He did. See the videos. There’s a bunch.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/22/818186/-UPDATED:-Candidate-Obama-DID-Campaign-On-The-Public-Option!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/22/818174/-Fact-Check:-Obama-DID-Campaign-on-the-Public-Plan-(UPDATED)
That’s not rhetoric, it’s psycho babble, pay no attention to it.
Obama advocating single payer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE
“Is there ANYONE actually paying attention who in a position of power or influence these days?”
Of for dawg’s sake, this place they call FDL has been paying attention to that since the Libby Trial.
That’s just plain . . . out there . . . not relevant. Why would you say that?
And the man stood there with his bare face hanging out and insisted that he had never campaigned on the public option. Nor has he, he to this day, retracted that denial.
It WAS intentional, we are conned, and we are fucked as his policy decisions, his staffing decisions (early on) and his support of legislative items (FISA, TARP, HCR, EFCA) all indicate we are fucked.
Now, the question remains, what the fuck do we DO about it all?
How do we tilt the windmill of the huge corporate stranglehold that’s choking us to death, top to bottom?
I don’t think ANYTHING else matters, it all comes down to, how do we loosen the corporate stranglehold on us, our government, our democratic republic. How do we loosen it and beat it back?
How?
The people in power are paying extremely close attention.
In 1980, there was a class war and only the rich showed up. And they’ve been trickling
downon us ever since.Convince the tea-baggers that Obama is working for Wall Street.
The fucking media is NOT complicit, it’s PART of the corporate feudalism.
Make the shift, see it for what it is . . . stop blaming them for not being the 4th Estate, they are not.
They are bought and paid for, and so are our electeds, so is our legislation, so is our governence.
Once ya get it, ya see how big and ugly this shit really is . . .
THEN, ya gotta start thinking, how do we change this?
N THAT’S the fucking scary shit . . . the really, really SCARY shit . . .
Most folks can’t handle it . . . sadly. Till they get it, more of the same, spiraling down faster and faster.
Either there’s a revolution, or there’s total collapse of the systems at hand, which is the same as a revolution.
Who know what the other side of that sitch is gonna be . . . .
That’s the purest truth I’ve seen in months, years, decades.
If not now, when . . . anger should be first hand for all, given the sitch.
Thanks Teddy, lay it on the line.
And thanks for live bloggin with DDAY and the other(s) beginning Monday, I can’t WAIT to get even more pissed for me, my fellow humans, and all dispossed and transgressed upon humans of all flavors.
An END to it, dammit, an END to it!!!!
Time to get angry, as Teddy P said . . . simple is as simple will do, when push comes to shove.
I’ve always thought that angry was inevitable but I never thought it would take this long and longer to GET the masses angry enough to act . . . I’m sadly amazed by that.
Yup. They’re owned, both figuratively and literally. In fact, under the American form of cartel capitalism, everything’s for sale, including the government itself.
You are not pro choice in any way shape or form if you don’t want women to have government supported and legalized and legislated and funded rights to choose . . .
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That’s a strategy, it’s not a plan. Nor a solution.
But thanks . . .
If your a progressive and or liberal Democrat, you have every right to criticize President Obama’s lackluster year, BUT I would like to see the right-winger/teabagger/conservative clowns get the F*** OUT OF HERE!
Just shows they are all controlled in a fascist govt.
The rahm thinking is so short sighted we have to wonder if he does uppers..all sorts of drugs fit this category. The same has been said of Larry Summers.
Because the “thinking” is so short sighted , you almost have to wonder if the end result is just more distrust of govt. And a feeling of alienation and powerlessnes by US.
Anyway…remove rahm for the WH yesterday. Thug!
I vote for revolution. Ray McGovern has asked if the president is afraid of the CIA. We all know that all the representatives in DC are afraid of the CIA. Just look at their faces in recent photos. None of them look very happy. Especially Obama. He has aged and looks tired.
Just like the Federal Reserve. …they operate under the radar. The Pentagon lost over 2 trillion dollars and there was hardly a word said in DC. Cynthia McKinny dared to ask questions to rumsfield about such delicate issues. Look what was done to her. She was railroaded out of DC.
Well there was nothing in Obama pesonal or professional work history’s that said I am honest in fact there were many clues that he was not. So the big thing now is to figure out why you were so fooled and don’t do it again cause I’m sure a 4th GWB term is not what any of us want for our families.
Disappointed? Where is the righteous indignation?
Candidate Obama promised to always tell us the truth. Yet another lie. This is not change we can believe in. Paying an insider and failing to disclose the same should vitiate all of insider Gruber’s testimony. Any legislation based on his articles, testimony, analysis, ect should be stripped from the Bill.
Yes, we can elect a candidate who promises change and never delivers.