Yves Smith over at Naked Capitalism commented on a report from Bloomberg News that just about made my eyes pop out of my head. Evidently, Darrell Issa got his hands on some 2008 emails between AIG and Tim Geithner’s New York Federal Reserve, wherein the NY Fed orders AIG to make material misstatements on SEC filings:
Bloomberg reports:
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York, then led by Timothy Geithner, told American International Group Inc. to withhold details from the public about the bailed-out insurer’s payments to banks during the depths of the financial crisis, e-mails between the company and its regulator show.
-snip-
AIG’s Dec. 24, 2008, filing was challenged privately by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, which polices the adequacy of disclosures by publicly traded firms. The agency said in a letter to then-CEO Edward Liddy six days later that AIG should provide a Schedule A, which lists collateral postings for the swaps and names the bank counterparties that purchased them from the company. The Schedule A was disclosed about five months later in a filing.
Not only were they hiding that AIG was set to pay the banks 100 cents on the dollar, turning the AIG bailout into a second back door bailout for the banks, they were trying to hide the reason that the bailout was needed.
Remember, back in 2008, when the establishment press was filled with stories about how the banks got suckered with bad loans taken out by poor people who bought houses they could not afford? Remember that was why we needed to bail out the banks. Well, it was bulls—erm, fresh, fragrant fertilizer.
More from Bloomberg:
The e-mails span five months starting in November 2008 and include requests from the New York Fed to withhold documents and delay disclosures. The correspondence includes e-mails between AIG’s Shannon and attorneys at the New York Fed and its law firm, Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP. Tom Orewyler, a spokesman for Davis Polk in New York, declined to comment as did Shannon.
According to Shannon’s e-mails obtained by Issa, the New York Fed suggested that AIG refrain in a filing from mentioning so-called synthetic collateralized debt obligations, which bundled derivative contracts rather than actual loans.
The filing “reflects your client’s desire that there be no mention of the synthetics in connection with this transaction,” Shannon wrote to Davis Polk on Dec. 2, 2008. “They will not be mentioned at all.”
AIG had about $9.8 billion of swaps protecting the synthetic holdings as of September 2008, the company said on Dec. 10, 2008. Goldman Sachs said in a press release last month that it was among banks that had losses on synthetic CDOs.
It wasn’t bad mortgages, it was Vegas-style gambling that was the problem. Synthetic collateralized debt obligations being the much-less-scientific equivalent of betting on a sports match or the roll of the dice. Not only are we looking at a potential violation of SEC rules (like rule 10b-5) and the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, but since Geithner was heading the New York Fed at the time, we are looking a potential violation of New York’s Martin Act. The Martin Act has both civil and criminal penalties. The Martin Act is supposedly one of the most powerful blue sky laws in the country.
Connecting the dots: Sarbanes-Oxley requires a company to report, within a few days, events that change the picture laid out by that company since their last SEC filing. They do this using a form called an 8-K. Making a material misstatement of fact on an 8-K is just as big a deal as making a material misstatement of fact on the period quarterly filings (10-Q) or yearly filings (10-K) required by Rule 10b-5.
According to Bloomberg (which unhelpfully did not link to the actual emails themselves), the emails obtained by Darrell Issa show that AIG’s counsel planned on properly disclosing both the names of the counterparties that would be receiving the back door bailout via AIG, as well as the true nature of the toxic assets (synthetic collateralized debt obligations rather than poor people’s mortgages). However, AIG was told by the New York Fed to strike out those pieces of information from the filing, and AIG complied.
This is unbelievable. They conspired to lie to the taxpayers, to Congress and to investors. Do they really expect that nothing will come of it?




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So maybe we can get rid of Geithner AND he’ll go to the slammer as well?
I’m going to renew my faith in Santa Claus!
Whoa! This goes out of SarbOx land to criminal, no?
First thing that comes to my mind is:
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 47 > § 1033Prev | Next § 1033. Crimes by or affecting persons engaged in the business of insurance whose activities affect interstate commerce
Has anyone forwarded this to Eliot Spitzer?
Is Patrick Fitzgerald busy?
I’m not holding out for any action by Holder.
(Dear dumbass, note to self; read the whole post and about the Martin Act.)
Sorry, got excited there….
Damn – I don’t know which makes me angrier – what Geithner did, or the fact that it’s Darrell fucking Issa who’s busting him.
Geithner is real pitchfork-and-torch material. It is not clear why Obama continues with a nakedly corrupt figure like him unless Obama really, really does prioritize wall street banks over everyone else.
It’s not at all unbelievable. The only thing curious about this is that it was exposed. I’ll be surprised if there are any consequences; after all, up to now, the lesson is that, not only are there no consequences, but the bankster-pirates are rewarded for their malfeasance. But Timmy is just an errand-boy; if he needs to be thrown under the bus, so be it. Moreover, he can be another poster-boy, like Madoff, for how the system worked, how the system caught and punished the
bad apples. Timmy may well be the poster-boy for the greatest theft in history, but like Bernanke, he is just a pawn doing the bidding of the Pirates of Wall St.
Even so, I can’t wait to see how Jane works this!
You’re good Cynthia, I was just reading that and here you are letting us know. Thank you!
As I see it, even a scumbag like Issa deserves praise when he does something right. In this case, he did something right. When he spouts more bullshit, we call him on it, but for today, I say “Thanks, Congressman. Real oversight now requires that you folks in Congress do something more than just reveal what happened. Refer These guys for charges and start writing legislation to prevent a repeat situation.”
Well, it looks like Eliot Spitzer IS up-to-date on this scandal:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eliot-spitzer/tip-of-the-iceberg_b_415495.html
Darrell Issa – progressive hero. Please shoot me.
Wow Martin is QUITE potent:
So Cuomo can compel. WOW!
Cynthia, the WSJ also has jumped on the story:
NY Fed Told AIG to Limit Details of Bank Payments
Hell has frozen over! This is the first, and probably ONLY, time that I’m happy with something that Daryl Issa has done. However, I am willing to thank him for his research on this issue. Too bad he wasn’t as tenacious during the Bush years, but…
Color me disgusted but not surprised. Trow da bum in da slammer!
Hopefully someone at the grand-high-muckety-muck level around Obama will point out to the party’s highest official that base voters are making grateful noises at Darrel Issa as a result of his treasury secretary. Obama really doesn’t want to put his base voters in a position where they have to get behind far-right demagogues as the only good guys.
Haven’t read all comments, but here’s Spitz N Friends:
Shit’s Flyin!
Was your comment about Title 18 part of The New York Martin’s Act? You seem real well read and experienced in these matters . . .
Yes I remember the GOP was screaming ACORN as their new Demon word.
Yeh, us CA4Nians ain’t so FOND of Issa, are we . . . but for this, I’ll pull a Hamsher and make him my temp pally wally.
Aloha, Jayt…!
Maybe Jane’s ‘unholy’ alliance will broaden and her Pincer strategy will bear fruit…! That’s some seriously low fruit to pluck…! ;-)
Yeah, I was JUST reading about this while skimming HuffPo, and here it is!
Thanks Mz. Kouril!
Ooh, whatcha drinking…! 8-P
I’ll be as happy as the next person, but has Bloomberg actually seen the emails? They aren’t relying on Issa’s word for what’s in them, are they?
What lawyer risks their license without assurances or a ready fall guy? Did Geithner provide assurances or himself as a fall guy?
I’m a cheap date hoss! Boxed Metlot! lol
I’m looking forward to 30 minutes of Keith, before I have to switch over to The Game.
And Rachel will have an extra hour to put together stuff on this — maybe even give Spitzer a ringy-dingy.
No. Title 18 is Fed Criminal Code. Martin is NY Code.
But thinking about it, the NY AG has the best and first bite at the apple. Cuomo can compel testimony via investigative subpoena and failure to comply with such a subpoena is enough evidence to prove fraud under Martin. Geithner waas not in Obama’s admin at the time, so cannot be shielded by Exec Power.
Next best bite at it is Holder’s DOJ. That’s the Fed level, criminal & civil, and I’m thinking since there ws at least on actor on the Fed side, and at least one actor on the AIG side, that RICOH applies as well.
I’m sure there are other criminal penalties, since a liability resulted. As well, on the Fed side, some sort of negligence/abandonment of duty/failure to act charge.
The list of charges could be embarrasingly rich if you combine NY Code and the Fed Code.
There are copies of some of the e-mails in one of the stories @ HuffPo on this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/07/geithners-new-york-fed-to_n_414449.html
Re Kelly @ 27: at this point don’t you think Cuomo might be better on this than Holder? I’m sure Rahm’s burning up the phone lines with threats ["don't you dare get involved in investigating this"] right now.
I hope Matt Taibbi is sharpening his pencil as well.
I’m not a lawyer and even less of an expert on securities and investment, but isn’t the underlying deal–tax-payer and Fed bailout of banks that got burned in the great synthetic CDO crapshoot–what everyone suspected all along? If so, the question now would seem to be how does the documented fact that Geithner et al knew what they were up to change matters?
We have the documented involvement of the now Treasury Secretary in a conspiracy to use the Treasury and Federal Reserve to benefit private banks with which he, his predecessor at Treasury, and the Chairman of the Federal Reserve all had ongoing beneficial relationships.
But, except for the email documentation, the underlying facts have all either been known or strongly suspected for a year at this point. There has been plenty of time to investigate and get much more than email, if anyone was so inclined. Yet the legislative and executive branches and the infrastructure of both political parties seem to have shrugged off the facts and rejected their clear implications. Why would this change matters?
We see this again and again. The story comes out and is dismissed for being “outrageous” and for unjustifiably implying individual culpability before the facts are in. Then, when the evidence emerges, it’s all old news and not worth the “dusruption” that further investigation would cause. I guess that the great thing about looking forward, not backward: you can keep doing it, continuously, forever, and get away with anything.
this isn’t the first time for issa either (although much bigger than last time). issa was (and i presume still is) the minority leader in dennis kucinich’s subcommittee. last year they set up a tag team on kashkari that was a beautiful thing to behold. probably the best hearing all year with a oppositional witness. Kucinich subcommittee to question Treasury’s Kashkari on TARP. it was a beautiful thing to behold.
(and you all may remember that i’m generally not a fan of congressional committee hearings with oppositional witnesses. Dear Congress: Your Hearings Suck)
“Do they really expect that nothing will come of it?”
I for one expect that nothing will come of it.
I would love to be proven wrong though.
All the big banks were in trouble so why bother to hide this information the FDIC would prevent a run on the banks. Big Deposits over FDIC limits would just get split up into smaller accounts at many banks.
So what was Geithner really trying to hide?
The progosphere just HAS to beat this donkey like a dead duck for a few weeks. Get on newsshows, flog this shit HARD.
It’s VERY difficult for me to think that they can and will cover this one up if it’s flogged HARD, mercilessly, around the clock as new details come forth (as I’m sure they will)>
A campaign in support of Spitz And Friends letter . . . sig’s and such demanding Obama DO something, etc.
All the while flogging the shit outta the Rahmmy Freddie/Fannie debacle to dig up MORE details on THAT one.
The two, if the progosphere can GET some traction with them, are gonna provide HUGE leverage to come.
HUGE!
Now to wait and see how the progosphere responds, with intensity, and frequency, and duration.
Cuz these two things are the chip in the armor to pull it back from the corporate feudalists. Pull it back HARD!
No! This is about paying out at 100% of the gamble/wager, rather than on some discount, and helped prop up AIG’s books, faslely, rather than the bailout which was happening anyway.
This was a case of “Give is X gazillions instead of Y gazillions” when we only needed to pay Y gazillions. Hence FRAUD! Aided by the NYFED!
Unbefrikiinglievable!
What kind of charges is Geithner facing? Will the AF go after him? Will the GOP demand investigations or are they bought off too?
Thanks, as you also answered my NEXT question as to why would NY Code prevail, and how and WHEN would Fed code make it’s entree and what is the potential for BOTH codes to bear fruit!
Yer good!!! *G*
Don’t think Obama can ignore this. Would make me really happy to see Geithner go now. Like today – or maybe Friday dump.
I would truly enjoy seeing Geithner resign to spend more time with his attorneys. And though Obama has heard calls for Geithner’s resignation for the last year, he’s shown that when the chips are down, he’ll dump someone very quickly, indeed.
Then again, he’s not a DFH, so Obama may have his back for a while yet.
Timmy could end up being Bernie Maddoffs cell mate. Two moneychangers in one cell. Perfect together.
Issa is an opportunist first and everything else second, like all of our political class (apparently). My cynical side tells me that this is the one hope left for the Republic.
Political opportunists are rats that can’t resist biting each other when they see an opportunity. Biting the banks might not be in Issa’s best interest or in the interest of his party. It might not even be something that he really wants to do. But he has no choice. Somebody is showing some throat. There could be blood. And he’s a rat. So every conspiracy is doomed to come apart because rats can’t be trusted not to bite.
Where that leaves the rest of us is another matter. We are probably going to get nothing but clumps of fur and a whole lot of rat crap in exchange for our savings and our legal system.
Cynthia, the real point of Geithner’s deception – and the most pernicious part of the cover-up – was that the PRICE paid (100 cents on the dollar) and the payees (Goldman Sachs et al) were withheld for 5 months. Those are the material facts, and the withholding of material facts is what triggers a 10b-5 violation.
And if I read this post correctly, Issa has submarined the Republicans argument that poor folks lying on mortgage applications are the root of, or even a slice of, the mortgage crisis.
Either Darrell was asleep when he disclosed the emails, the emails don’t actually say what he says they say, or Bloomberg/Issa are up to something else.
Next, I’m thinking that if Cuomo doesn’t say something quickly, like tomorrow morning, he needs a letter, signed by, oh I don’t know, Issa/Norquist/Paul/Barr on one side and say probably just Jane Hamsher (SNARK! HAH!) on the other side to get on his desk.
I don’t believe the NYAG can shirk an affirmative duty of evidence of a crime disclosed to him. He’s an officer of the State first, and an officer of the Court next if NY works anything like Western States do. Maybe not.
But I don’t think Cuomo can ignore this particular hot potato.
Several summers ago, when Christy Hardin Smith ran a campaign for us to get out there and interview our reps, I accompanied Loo Hoo to visit with Mr. Issa’s Deputy Phil Polley. Issa’s a snake. A Rat (and, all apologies to my dear colleague, Ratfood, and maybe he’s pointing a flashlight in an area that needs to be illuminated, but, it’s not for any moral purpose. Just my opinion.
Moral question. If a person does a right thing for wrong reasons, where does that go?
The emails are here.
Yeah, this stuff has recent history don’t it . . . why does by Neil M. Barofsky’s name worry me as an insider, despite he being a former fed prosecutor? Can we TRUST him to rep TARP in the publics favor?
Also, for any Pups, here’s what I thought is going on:
1) Banks had bad mortgages, that were going south.
2) AIG, and GS and others were ‘betting’ on them mortgages via short selling, and hedging them, too.
3) The blowout of the mortgage’s real values threatened to wipe out GS/AIG, not to mention the banks holding the worthless paper.
So the TARP money went to AIG’s/GS, and some to banks . . . but AIG and GS had to funnel THEIR money to banks to shore up the worthless credit default swaps and the worthless mortgages . . . in order to keep themselves from going belly up despite the TARP money they got.
Am I even CLOSE with this read?
The FDIC would stop a run on the banks because that protects the public interest. But it would not protect private interests–shareholders and CDO counterparties. I suspect that Gesithner’s interest was in protecting the latter at the expense of the former–by hiding insolvency and preventing an FDIC takeover.
I’m not an expert, but my understanding is that an FDIC takeover is like a bankruptcy: depositors get paid like secured creditors, but bank shareholders and CDO counterparties get nothing. I’m sure that there are lots of folks on FDL that could answer more expertly, though.
Ok Fraud Geithner ordered it to help his old company Goldman Sachs which had contracts with AIG and stood to lose billions Geithner has a conflict of interest and this kind of crime would make you unemployable in the Financial sector, Government or Education unless Geithner wants to teach FBI agents how to spot financial fraud.
Men don’t risk their careers without assurances AIG’s lawyers don’t break financial laws even if the head of the New York Fed says so.
So either Geithner thought he would never get caught unlikely, or he thought he would never be prosecuted much more likely.
I still think there is more to this.
Did you vibe me saying your sweet name? :)
Your two first paragraphs get to the heart of my #46 . . . only you say it much better and accurately than I did.
Thanks!
And alas, now that you finish your comment as you do, yeah, there’s the fright this DOES get white washed, anyway.
After all, we damned well KNEW the financial failure was likely based on dubious hedging on selling short and betting both with and against toxic assets that had been sold and resold so many times it was IMPOSSIBLE to determine their worth!
As I’ve been cruising around the Internets to see what other blogs are posting on this, it’s interesting to see that TPM has NOTHING, HuffPo has the two articles cited in the posts here [and including the e-mails] but its top story continues to be the “Christmas bomber.”
Just more proof that FDL is the place to come to for both breaking news and an analysis of that news.
I happen to think it’s noumenal, by which I mean the “thing itself” matters rather than the actor. There’s total room for disagreement, as motive certainly plays a big part in people’s decisions.
The whole pattern of an actor’s behavior surely matters too.
Issa may just function as a “horn” to then be meaningless after the signal is given, to my way of thinking.
Nothing like a great CYA letter! Betcha Davis Polk wasn’t thrilled at the time :-)
I swear…! Besides… The Xmas Bomber is the wrong fail to be attuned too, the Khost tragedy represents the bigger ‘fail’…! Key individuals were killed for God’s sake…! 8-(
The GOP was all ready to blame poor home owners ACORN for the banks troubles. Who gave the GOP the heads up to develop a media campaign on this issue. Every GOP talking head, newspaper etc was screaming that story.
I think I want to see media emails from the GOP pushing this story. Then I want to see what kind of fact checking the media did on this story.
Then I want to see GOP emails from the Fed and the Banks someone fed the GOP this story.
A number of folks here have commented that they’d like Geithner’s head for this.
That’s all well and good…but, let’s not miss the forest for the tree!
The fact of the matter is these are not financial institutions!
These are casinos for MOTUs!
Casinos run by MOTUs, for the benefit of only MOTUs!
Geithner’s head should roll, but even more importantly, these MOTUs need to be taken down!
Geithner & Co. helped cover up the fraud, but the MOTUs were the ones who conducted the fraud.
Take ‘em all down!!!
Getting rid of just Geithner won’t do it. The MOTUs have to go!
There was a time when TPM was one of the best places on the toobz. Now, in the midst of empire collapse, it’s Pantybomber Central. What a waste.
unable to be known through perception
Another reason you like me.
Yes, the action matters for what eventual effect it has.
I just don’t like Darryl much. And, he might be a ram’s horn or its other end. Whatever. (Flipping my blond hair.)
(PS…we need to talk B3′s sometime.)
Can you elaborate/speculate more as to what might be behind this?
In the absence of anything else, I’d put my money on plain stupidity. My own experience in the business world and with company lawyers suggests that wealth and power make people stupid. Good sense, due diligence, and natural caution are always inversely proportional to the prominence and perceived power of the individual. Powerful people are arrogant people, and arrogant people assume that they can act with impugnity, even when they have no assurances. “Indict ME? They wouldn’t dare!”
My son was flying on Hawaiian Airlines yesterday. Fortunately he was flying back to the Mainland, not on that flight from Portland to Kahului that got “escorted” back by some F-15′s because of an “unruly” passenger.
Talk about over-reaction!!
Blowback from this for Dodd and Banking/Finan reform could VERY well be in our DFH’s best interest! *G*
‘Specially since Dodd won’t run again! Nothing to lose, go out firing all his at once and explode into retirement!
Yeah, that is my observation as well.
I’m really disappointed in Josh’s going over to the Dark Side re the health care mess.
Ya mean drawbars and stuff? :)
Yep, the reality of toxic assets being hedged, sold short, nekkid, THAT’S the real deal that supplants the dirty black and brown people who can’t meet their obligations . . .
As always, I urge folks to read Deep Capture which goes into all the hedging and short selling and corruption that led up to the financial collapse and the govt bailouts with OUR tax dollars . . .
Crap. I tuned in to KO expecting to see the Geithner story all over the place. Instead it’s just terror, terror, TERROR.
The MOST terrifying thing is Jonathan Alter’s prediction that Joe Lieberman’s Homeland Security Committee will now hold a bunch of hearings.
Whoop-dee-doo, let’s whip up the fear again.
Damn…! I missed that one…! The Hilo rag never mentioned it…! ;-)
What the heck. Fly boys like to scramble those jets whenever possible. Just burns fuel we can’t afford, after all. s/
We’re talking Leslie’s.
Not only in the living room, but in the garage too!
Mature rock and roll mister.
I will fight you for the bottom of the news barrel: Maui News vs your Hilo rag.
Maui News is NOTHING but two-day-old AP stories & local sports. The letters to the Editor are SO stupid that they inspire homicide/suicide.
I wouldn’t think he’d want to waffle on this, this could easily be a political stepping stone of GREAT magnitude for him if he plays his cards right (and for Issa and anyone else who wants to jump on board) . . . I’m SURE that’s why Spitzer has kept his hands in some issues since his fall, as he’s seeking grace to get back in the game!! *G*
Arrest that man!
I’d say yer danged close to it, from what little I know . . . good read.
Heh, how about a draw…? They regurgitate the same two day old AP drivel…! Chuck Norris opeds ad nauseum…! ;-)
I’m guessing Obama will take this opportunity to remind us of the benefits of looking forward instead of backward.
Look closely at the e-mails link Loo Hoo provided above.
Geithner is not an actor/player, at least yet. These are lower level functionaries UNDER Geithner.
On the AIG side Kathleen Shannon. On the Fed Side primarily, Alex Latorre, Sarah Dahlgren.
TPM has become a wasteland of MSM led noozing . . . sad.
Naked Capitalism, Deep Capture (not breaking source news, more long term investigatory, but SOME analysis on breaking news), Calculated Risk . . . just a few off the top of my head . . . that might cover this.
But yeah, Mz. Kouril jumped on it, and FDL has the early lead by a large margin . . . one reason I make it a primary first destination in my blogosphere pursuit of all things important to our lives . . . *G*
GRrrrrOWLLLL!
What about Paulson’s role in all of this?
In fact, one Letter today had the caption… “Rush is Right…!” About US’s ‘Socialist’ medicine over the past 60 years, has been so detrimental to US healthcare…! WTF…?
Heh, Issa is gonna milk this one all the way to the top of the GOP if he can . . that’s his goal.
And frankly, he’s better than Palin, Teabaggin, or even McCain . . . but I’m not sure the GOP will embrace him to that extent . . . they should if they have a FUCKING CLUE, but with the RNC, who can tell anymore . . *G*
To be fair, they do have to train. Otherwise, there is no reason to have them at all.
I suspect that the escort was more to make use of previously scheduled flight time more than anything else.
Why it was reported the way it was is another matter. Fighters would only be of help if someone had control of the aircraft and intended to use it as a missile. But nobody should be able to get into the cockpit any more (assuming that a pilot with a gun doesn’t decide to be John Wayne and open the door).
Excellent, as usual, Cynthia.
I don’t know if anyone heard DN today, but Amy had the lawyer from the whistle blower’s organization who was bitterly relating the story of the Swiss bank whistle blower who is on his way to a 40-month federal sentence for giving the govt. the goods on GBS, maybe I have the initials wrong.
The bottom line is that none of the lawbreakers/tax cheats/banksters went to jail, he’s the only one. The message is that you will be punished if you out the banks, not if you are the banksters or their clients. It is quite stunning.
But I think maybe Geithner is a goner.
Geebuz you spin fantasy to a new level, hoss . . . .
One head at a time, hoss, one head at a time, others will have to follow as I think this is big, really, really big.
Big as in folks are gonna stake political future gains on it and get involved and push it.
It’s a one in a lifetime thang that’s been handed to the politicians . . . the public’s pissed at the PTB, and this attacks the PTB and the demons ruining out country . . . not to mention if Obama plays it right, it takes the prog heat off of him quickly . . .
This is one of those defining moments in political history, if the pols choose to use it . . . this is a HUGE grab for a pol to miss or let go of . . . there’s money and power to be accrued in this one, lots of it.
Was married to one and those 2 am call outs to go flying was something they all loved. I know they need to train but sometimes it just not needed.
It’s been tragic to witness . . . truly tragic . . . I now skin his place like I skin Huffpo, and I read less at TPM than I do at HuffPo . . . .
You got Blonde Leslie’s? With Humbugs?
Wow, tell me more . . . . rock and jazz goddess!
At least at Huff Post you get to see the First Lady’s latest attire.
For what, development, or the lack of it?
Thass what I’m sayin . . . ;-)
Well, nothing on KO so far about Geithner.
He even had Arianna on, but only to talk about “switch you money.”
What’s wrong here?
I’m switching to the game.
Jail time sounds like a useful consequence to put on the table. Among those at the top of this pyramid, Geithner is a gofer. There are bigger fish than Geithner to be fried in this game.
Barak Obama was overheard whispering in Geithner’s ear,
“doing a heck of a job, Timmy.”
this may help clarify things.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/20/806345/-Krugman-is-wrongit-is-worse
Holder is Obama’s Alberto Gonzalez.
Nothing will come of it Cynthia. That is the worst part of this entire scam. They’ve got away with it, are getting away with more, and are writing/benefiting from almost every bit of legislation passed for years!!
Left and Progressive sites are getting too caught up in the left vs right, Rethuglicans evil/Dems good, cycle (this site not included for posters here seem to be able to think). Huffp, C&L, Digby, and a pile of other sites have turned into the Dem version of Bush’s Cheerleaders. It’s been sad, tragic, pitiful, and the part that is the most disheartening, is their posters are even attacking sites like this where people have brains!!! What the heck is going on?? The entire nation has gone mad!!!
So Obama appoints a fraudster as his Treasury Secretary. And he continues to express confidence in him?
So is this change you can believe in?
Obama, resign you fraud.
Funny how even McClatchy has a more benign take on this possible debacle:
Fed Delayed Disclosure of Controversial AIG Payout
The NYT, of course, is even more circumspect:
Fed Advice to A.I.G. Scrutinized
Don’t hold your breath for either one of these to say anything about this tonight, if ever.
On this subject matter, it was divulging something like this while interviewing some financial types on the floor of the NYSE and calling it “insurance fraud” that got Dylan Ratigan fired from CNBC.
Now o/t: Anyone hear anything critical about Israel’s latest attacks on Gaza tonight from those two wonderful progressive icons, Olbermann and Maddow? Again, don’t hold your breath.
If Geithner isn’t fired or indicted as a consequence of these revelations, then…then – gee, I guess we’re still living in the Bush years.
Wasn’t Eliot Spitzer investigating AIG when the call girl scandal broke in March,2008?
Here’s another interesting entry:
Ex-AIG Finance Chief Smith Asks Court to Dismiss Spitzer Suit – 21 hours ago
… a lawsuit brought in 2005 by former state Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. … AIG, once the world’s largest insurer, ousted Greenberg and Smith in March …
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Cynthia,
Thank you for this post. Not surprised and yet…surprised.
I agree. Rep. Issa did something right. I appreciate it.
Cynthia,
I’m late to your party, but thanks for your reporting on this. Ed made a big deal about this (without citing your post) on The Ed Show, and speculated that Geithner cannot survive this. I’ve been leery of Geithner’s role for a long time, and you’ve confirmed my feelings, in spades.
Maybe this is the one (and only?) good thing ever to come out of Darrell Issa’s hands, ever.
Bob in AZ
All kindsa people do that. But mostly in Washington, people do the wrong thing for “right” reasons. I prefer the former to the latter.
BTW, this issue in various forms has been around for a long time. See Matthew 21:28-31.
Bob in AZ
The Geithner story was very big news on The Ed Show, but Keith and Rachel were more interested in other things.
Bob in AZ
There’s this bit of leverage from Spitzer et al at HuffPo:
Are they making a FOIA request? Surely this would give the folks at TPM and the EmptyWheel House much fodder for mulling.
Bob in AZ
Transparency?
Open Government?
“Change” from the days of Cheney holding secret meetings with the energy companies?
Changing the ways of Washington and how it does business?
I Don’t Think So!
Issa does it because it makes Obama look bad. Progressives like it because it shines light on the corruption and illegal activity. You don’t have to name him a progressive champion to appreciate his having forwarded a progressive cause even if for non-progressive reasons. Plus, he’s my Congress critter. Do you realize how often I have to hide my head in shame and lie about my zip code? Just let me have this one moment to come out of hiding, please!
Cuomo’s gotta be smart enough to know that he has to go with this and can’t obey Rahm’s command to leave it alone. He still has political ambitions and Rahm won’t be able to save him if he takes the wrong side of this. He’s outside the Washington bubble and has a better sense of where things are really going in this regard. Give up the chance to be a hero against the banks Every Single Person in this country (except those in the Administration) hates? That would be crazy! Rahm can’t offer him anything to make that worthwhile.
I was told by some folks that I know in the financial sector, that at the time that Geitner was first tapped to be promoted, that it was good idea b/c tha banksters knew him, had confidence in him, and would cooperate with him. These things were seen as critical for containing the Great Recession.
Maybe that was true at the time, I don’t know (though it doesn’t “feel” correct to me), but given what we have found out since then, I think you would be hard pressed to continue to act upon that rationale at this point.
We need actual oversight!
Spitzer is right. I may have to do a follow up post
Logic would tell you that, but back when Spitzer was still AG and was using the Martin Act to do meaningful investigation, the Office of Comptroller of the Currency (another federal financial regulator asleep at the switch) started screaming “federal pre-emption” and basically shut down Spitzer’s investigations.
Spitzer was in the middle of running for governor. If he had been longer term as AG, I suspect he would have challeneged the pre-emption claim more vigorously. I think the pre-emption argument was pretty weak since the Martin Act has been around for like 100 years–really a 100.
They were tryig to hide the fact that they were baiout out bankster gambling on derivatives, NOT loans to poor people who bought houses they could not afford.
You see, they were blaming it on the poor people who were simultaneously being evicted from thier homes. they got Congress to authorize the funds in the first place by claimg they were going ot use it to save homeowners. Remeber Paulson’s testimeony before Congress?
As soon as they had the cash from Congress, they turned around and used to bail out rich gamblers instead,
THAT is was Geitner did not want to get out.
And homeowners continue to get evicted.
The Real AIG Scandal: How the Game Is Rigged at Wall Street’s … Apr 2, 2009
Congress has deftly avoided the real story of AIG’s collapse, which will make a few million in bonuses seem like peanuts.
http://www.alternet.org/…/the_real_aig_scandal:_how_the_game_is_rigged_at_wall_street‘s_casino/ – Cached
NOTE: SUPERB piece,written in easy to understand,everyday language about how the game is rigged.
Is AIG the new BCCI?
Beyond, possibly, some kabuki around investigating, and some speechifying, it is possible nothing will. Very sad that this is becoming Obama’s legacy.
Thanks so much Cynthia ~ please keep covering this for us!
I remember back at the Kashkari etc. hearings that it was really clear Issa really knows his Wall Street investment stuff like the back of his hand. He was very nimble with very probing questions way beyond the surface that the other congress members were working with. This is a huge advantage, no matter what his other *failings* are.
Yup, he is a big old ass, but on this file, he is OUR ass too! I like it.
CNN (chirpy blond reporter) did report this last night. They got it *wrong* in a way that reveals their conflict. They want to go after any wrongdoing and outrage committed by AIG/banks but they do not want to challenge the establishment. So, the report was somebody did something bad, but it was not Geithner because he in charge of the bailouts then!!!!! They are getting the timing/process all wrong, of course. But it is wishful thinking on their part methinks. Once they *cleared* Geithner, they did not push any further to even suggest *someone* *else* could be in really hot water. Nice neat package. But oh boy those AIG/bank people … they never stop!!!!!
I do think it is important that CNN did jump on it ~ so there is interest there. That could create traction. I wonder if Rick Sanchez will pick it up: it is one of his *beats.*
… whew: much trouble with teh edits today.
I wanted to say … CNN said something bad was done, but it was NOT Geithner because he was NOT in charge of the bailouts then!!!! They have it wrong in a couple of ways.
CNN reporter was Jessica Yellin reporting on Thursday night.
Thanks again, Cynthia!