And so it continues.
On Tuesday, [GOP Chairman Michael] Steele accused the Obama administration of pursuing an inconsistent policy toward terrorism.
Steele said on NBC’s “Today” show the administration is wrong in putting terrorism suspects on trial in civil courts, saying “the public doesn’t view them as having rights in the criminal system.”
The GOP chairman also defended former Vice President Dick Cheney’s harsh criticism of President Barack Obama, saying that he, too, believes Obama tries to avoid directly acknowledging a war on terror.
Good luck with that 2003 playbook, guys. It worked so well for you in ’06 and ’08.



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Mornin’, BT. Matthews and Maddow last night. Appointment television.
Hillary sees “global implications” from what’s going on in Yemen. Racheting up the verbiage. Anyone have the scale, so we can measure exactly how close the U.S. invasion is?
Mornin’, BT
Terrah!
Terrah!
Terrah!
9/11!!
9/11!!
9/11!!
Every schoolkid in the country will know the birthdate of the modern Republican Party.
I’d rather know the death date. Not only of the Rs, but the Ds too.
It won’t work unless an attack is successful sports fans.
Doc guest, surgeon at Harvard, on democracynow sez docs don’t have checklists, and when they are introduced in surgery, problems drop by 46%. Geez. I know the U.S. medical industry is bad, but that bad?
The public also doesn’t view rapists, murderers and various and sundry violent criminals as having rights in the criminal system. It’s kinda part of the design of that very system that we don’t really care what “the public” thinks and deal with pesky things like facts, due process and trial by jury.
Furthermore, the single biggest reason these terrorism SUSPECTS are viewed as somewhat less than deserving of rights is because of the efforts of the Republicans to dehumanize them and to make them guilty by the mere fact that they have been held in Guantanamo. The truth is that the majority of the suspects are people that were innocent of anything until WE have turned against us by our own efforts at Guantanamo prison, and we are now afraid to release because we have a reasonable belief that they will join in efforts to bring us down. Funny how torturing people tends to make them hate you, isn’t it?
Some Politico guy who is not Jonathan Martin on Morning Joe now.
In the Navy there are checklists for everything. On nuclear capable weapons systems there’s a checklist just for entering any space containing equipment for the system.
One might think that in the process of dehumanizing suspects, the dehumanizER becomes more dehumanized than the dehumanizEE.
Just saw a q about profiling on WJ. The guest gave a really stupid answer. Said it was a q of privacy and that we need to think about giving up privacy for safety. Wrong. It’s a q that it doesn’t work because such a small % of any profiled group is a problem. So by profiling you use an enormous amount of resources for very little payoff. Just another part of the dehumanization stemming from terrah terrah terrah.
The doc used the civilian aeronautic industry as the example, but of course the military would have the same.
Compounding the problem, the senile surgeons may have forgotten what a checklist is.
That too.
Another interesting exchange: How would you feel if, sitting in the docs office discussing you medical condition, s/he said s/he’d have to look something up? Docs feel that would be a sign of weakness. Amy (and me) would think it’s a good sign.
Doc likes MA plan. selise are you here? I’d like your feedback on what he sez.
The GOP can’t be expecting to win on this issue. The economy is the ticket for them to win. Unemployment is the ticket. We can only hope the GOP runs on this as their main issue.
How much oil do they have?
Doc has done work on the effects of solitary confinement, which he’ll discuss after the break. I’ve been looking for some one to attack that subject.
People won’t think it’s offensive at all when they’re convicted and when the death penalty is applied to them.
Next door to Saudis. Another way to get more U.S. military bases in the ME.
However, someone forgot to tell them that you can’t take over a failed state, as there is no there there.
Steven Solomon guesting on M-Joe discussing his book Water: The Epic Struggle. An international security issue.
Book Salon topic?
Does anyone find it curious if not stunning that in all the discussion of how Americans can be “kept safe” it all has to do with how the TSA “does it’s job” with no questioning of foreign/military policy decisions and the role they play in putting Americans at risk?
Maybe that’s why my vet is the best in the area. I’ve heard him say he’d have to look something up. He had to do a lot of research with Blaze and he made copies of it for me. Same with Yang. He had to do a lot of research for her over the years. When she had a corneal ulcer another vet who just happened to be an opthomologist was visiting he asked her to look at Yang’s eye. She did pro bono. I don’t have a problem with folks who say, “I don’t know.”
Can ya tell I’m just a little anxious about a call from my vet this morning?
Terror is the best the card the GOP wants to play right now with 10% unemployment? If Karl Rove didn’t steal the last two elections I’m thinking the GOP couldn’t win a dog catcher election.
Kondracke making about the same point wrt civil liberties on M-Joe earlier. They must’ve gotten their fearfaxblast.
Short version: in long enough it drives them crazy.
Yes Israel and Palestine get peace we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan problem solved.
Somalia, anyone?
Gotta ignore the causes, just react to the consequences. Blowback.
(((SD & kittehs))) Sorry I can’t remember the name of the kitty in question.
On the bigger point, yeah.
Yes, but gotta have people in position of authority, with real studies, show it. Not us PJ cheeto eating bloggers.
Taking away civil rights under the guise of fighting terror seems to be an issue the GOP just can’t quit even with Bush gone.
My 17yo, Kismet. What, you haven’t memorized the names of all my tigers? *g*
Yes how many ships from how many different countries have they hijacked but the Media GOP and Joe say nothing. Why no oil.
Somewhat related:
How about this for change.
Re P. Griffith’s poor choice:
I think there are numerous studies that show long term solitary confinement drives people nuts.
Doc sez solitary drives people nuts. Cites studies, including brain scans. Doc sez majority of people in solitary confinement are not violent. Also said solitary confinements is expensive. Prison authorities would talk with him only anonymously because they thought solitary should end, but couldn’t say that outloud.
You might call it a failed state but according to conservative/libertarian ideology it’s the utopia they dream of, weak central government and unregulated markets. To a Republican and their fellow travelers that’s Xanadu.
I’m easing back into the cat thing little by little. Give me a chance to learn. BTW when do you post Caturday? I forget to show up at the right time.
, well, except for the conservative authoritarian ideology.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
US KIA Irak: 4,372
US KIA Afghanisan: 953
Iraki and Afghan casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M
US MBS 2010: 496
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
I don’t get why Rachel Maddow has a show. Her sarcastic tone is one of the reasons progressives look like pointy headed intellectual snots. And Her favorite part she said of the president’s inaugural speech was the militaristic “You cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.” Well she is a Rhodes scholar after all. They are picked to keep the empire going. Clinton did.
She continues to be a voice of the Democratic Party and railing on Republicans just keeps us divided. The enemy is both parties.
Turning off MSNBC now… morning programming changes an insult to everybody who lives West of the Hudson [h/t, Evan]
Good News!
Noon or a little before on Sundays.
New measures announced by the Transportation Security Administration over the weekend focus on flights from 13 Muslim-majority countries.
The 14 nations on the list include four designated by the State Department as state sponsors of terrorism – Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria – and 10 additional “countries of interest:” Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen. Travelers from these countries will face automatic pat-downs and baggage searches before they are allowed to board a flight to the United States.
No wonder. I thought it was Saturday. Silly me.
Forgive me for being curmudgeonly here, but I am getting SO tired of Rachel Maddow’s take on this. Not that she’s wrong on the substance, but I don’t get her cheery laughter. It sounds false to me. I see no signs whatever that the Republicans are hurting themselves with this approach. It seems to me to be working. Cheney, et. al. come out and blast away all day. The Obama admin seems locked in a fetal curl, with the audacity of hope that all this will backfire on the GOP. Where is the spokesman, in the admin or out, coming out and calling for Cheney to STFU and back his President instead of knifing him in the back.
The other night (New Year’s Eve’s Eve, I think it was) she reprised 2009, taking pride in this sort of poking fun at the other side. I think it’s stupid. We need someone who is hard-hitting. This feel-good laugh-at-the-fools approach is not working.
Just another way for the U.S. to win hearts & minds in the Muslim world. /s
I like Rachel maybe she is sarcastic because she is right? And Progresives looking like pointy headed snots? Nope we look like the majority of Americans because we are the majority the Democratic party is to the right of us.
I agree both parties are the enemy though.
I was confused too, at first. ‘Cause Caturday rhymes with Saturday. There’s only one title that I can think of that rhymes with Sunday. It’s a word that shall not be uttered on this site, and would only attract a lot of grief and bitching. Word starts with a C. *g*
So what’s stopping a traveler from one of these countries flying to a nation not on the list and then boarding a flight to the U.S.. The reaction to the latest incident is asinine.
sTivo you said it better than I. I agree that laughing at Republicans will not work whether you are “right” or not. It’s condescending. Sarcasm is my least favorite form of comedy. It is usually the villain or villainess in a play that uses it. Sarcasm involves directly making fun of a person in a hurtful way. I much prefer satire as practiced on The Daily Show and The Colbert Report.
As to the so-called Nigerian “terrorist”, I find blackagendareport’s take more interesting.
Why are you looking at her show since you do not seem to get it. The fact is Rachel does one hell of job of exposing some of the REP nonsense that goes on in attacking Obama. For example exposing REP on the gay issue in Udgana in which they are interfering in public policy of another nation.It none of there business period. The idea that a senator has an affair and then bribe her husband with a payoff.In other words RACHEl has investigated a number of issues that MSM would not even touch period. By the way I find it ironic when she does an investigation of a story or breaks a story by doing her own investigation the MSM seems jump on the srory after the fact. She does excellent job by getting the facts and to the truth and more often than not she get it right. On the teabagger she did an excellent job in telling who they are and who sponsors there activties and what they are about in terms of politics.
sorry i missed you ecahn. will look for you on the threads in the am.