This, my friends (as John McCain is wont to say) is a suit of samurai armor. Nimai-do gosuko armor with tatewaka-pattern lacing, to be more specific. It was made in the 18th Century out of iron, gold, leather, lacquer and silk. The height of the cuirass (that breastplate in the front) is 14 5/8 inches and was lent to the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City by the Hagashibara Museum of Art, Okayama Province in Japan for a very special exhibit (on now through January 10th; if you can see this at all, please do), The Art of the Samurai: Japanese Arms and Armor, 1156-1868.
I saw this suit of armor, as close as my nose could get to the glass case; beautifully kept and preserved, this is a suit of armor that was used.
By a woman.
This armor was owned and used in the 1700s by Yoneko, the first wife of Ikeda Harumasa, the Lord of Okayama. The catalog for the exhibit (from which this picture was taken since we were not allowed to take photos in the exhibit, 2009, The Metropolitan Museum of Art, Editor: Monihiro Ogawa) details this suit of armor and mentions, rather off-handedly, “..an outstanding example of armor made for a woman..” As if there are examples of Samurai women’s armor that are not so outstanding.
I don’t remember any women among “The Seven Samurai”, do you? But it is true – the wives of Samurai were also Samurai and came from Samurai families. They were trained to fight to the death to protect their homes and families while their husbands were fighting for their lords. Supposedly their favorite WMD was a long-handled spear. Considering the amazing quality of the blades on display in this exhibit, (and the breadth and depth of the varieties, lengths, and uses of the blades would make your head swim; I gave up once I’d gone through the various swords and daggers) a trained woman with a long-handled spear was probably quite deadly.
Given that the length of MY cuirass (ahem) is 18-20 inches (whether you go from the base of my neck to my waist or longer), we’re talking about someone who was 5’ tall…or less. But a fighter nonetheless.
Caterina Sforza, Countess of Forli, 15th Century Italy. When Cesare Borgia captured her children while she was holed up in one of the family’s castles (he was trying to grab onto her possessions) and had brought them in front of the castle and threatened to kill them before her eyes, is reported to have pulled her skirts up (much to the embarrassment of everyone), exposed herself to Borgia and yelled down, “I’m not frightened of you – see, I can have more!” Even Borgia was moved at her crazy bravery. She won that battle (but Borgia eventually won the war).
We have a lot of fighting women here at Firedoglake. We don’t have castles or swords; we don’t have armies of soldiers at the battlements attacking. But the fights are just as deadly and courage is still important.
There are a lot of people in this country who forget that women are fighting, dying and being injured and maimed overseas (and not getting the support and services they need when they come home). A lot of people like to think that women are all safe and sound and in the kitchen. But, that is obviously a relatively new and western idea. Women have always fought and we have fighters here at FDL.
There are folks out there who have been shocked (shocked, I tell you) at Jane Hamsher’s public stands on healthcare reform, political corruption and insider dealing. They see this as Jane Hamsher’s attacks. Even people who theoretically are on the same side.
Grow up, boys. If you won’t do the job, a better general must step up.
All hail General Jane!!
(The exhibit: Art of the Samurai is on at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York City, through January 10th)



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The fighting women of FDL!
Definitely NOT the powderpuff football league.
Oh no! What if them terrists know Samurai Stuff?
Wadda’ya mean ‘was‘?
A fitting post, Aunt Toby.
Where’s Senator-Elect McCurnin?
A bunch of tough, inspiring women if ever there was one!
I have a certain fondness for Caterina Sforza…
You never know; Sun Tzu’s The Art of War might be on the Al Qaeda reading list..
So, the question is this: Are our women tougher than Right Winger Women? Does being able to speak the truth make you tougher than having the ability to tell lies?
Absolutely. In a fight, my money is going on the FDL crew. Smart, tough, fearless – The Works.
Contrasted with…um…Mary Matalin? Ann Coulter? Michelle Malkin? Sarah (gulp) Palin. Others?
That would make for some very entertaining TV.
And thanks for the link to that exhibit. Very cool…
Tougher, yes. It’s more difficult, as we all know, to say and do the right thing, especially when the political party/mechanisms who claim to espouse your values… go into the tank.
Righty-wimmin have it easy by comparison – all the political and societal infrastructure are in place and well-oiled – and have no need to be correct and altruistic… just loud and repetitive.
Best part of the exhibit was a terrific video showing a crew of about twelve different people making one of these blades (there’s an amazing amount of science behind them – the inside blade is relatively softer carbon steel which is inserted, hot, into the outside blade, which is sort of the steel version of Danish pastry (folded and folded and folded ). Takes six months to make one of these. Phenomenal.
Friend of mine saw that exhibit in NYC – said it was unbelievable.
Telling the truth makes you stronger.
Personally, I’ve always found the truth is easier to remember. Must be quite a burden for people who always feel compelled to invent a new pack of lies.
Yep..the louder and more insistent the mouthpiece, the bigger the lie.
So much for the myth that women would rule peacefully.
Dems/Libs/Progs could take a page from them, though.
As they say in teh movies, and used car lots everywhere:
“Always Be Closing.“
Our glance does not have to glance as far askew as the post would deem. The year my daughter was born it became legal for a single woman to get birth control pills. My daughter believes it was always so. In my parents lifetime within walking distance of where I am, people were beaten, faced dogs and firehoses.
It may not seem so, but we live in mansions built on the shoulders of giants who faced these things. No one is asking anyone to do such things, but at a minimum–a bare minimum–we should at least pay the friggin light bills. Make a call, register a friend and vote. So ends my speech against apathy and disillusionment.
Well, there are really two aspects and one of them is strictly cultural: the raising of the truly mundane (as in how to make a sharp pointy thing) into a complete art form and the other is the level of preservation. I’ve seen all sorts of exhibits of European armor from the same period and frankly, it looks like crap next to this. The blades from the 1300s looked as sharp, shiny, and beautiful as those from the 1800s and had obviously been handed down and preserved and oiled with great love and attention. The poorest examples were the fabrics, because the clothing had been used and then passed down and passed down and so on. The helmets are unbelieveable and frankly must have weighed an awful lot.
Golda Meyer put pay to that one.
agreed.
Margaret Thatcher.
Michael Pollan’s up on TDS.
another good example of inner toughness though I do think that the greatest weapon we have is perseverance. The Right wants us to get tired and go home.
Micael Pollan seems to have been bought by the health insurance industry. Thinks if HRC is passed, suddenly insurance corps will take an interest in health. Yet another idol with feet of clay.
I think our women are different than the Rightwinger women I know, and have stood on opposite street corners from in our community no/war vigils. Those women have aggressive husbands who are raging assholes every Sunday at the vigil. They don’t seem to have personal power beyond backing up their man. Not to say they aren’t snarly bitches. But many have jobs in the service industry and are fairly meek.
I think when it comes to physically defending family we’re even.Family runs deep. When it comes to fighting for a woman’s right not to have the Government control their bodies…..they can’t go that deep. Not saying they’re less intelligent, just that their intelligence has been stunted by a sense of duty that’s vague,male-oriented and slogan riddled.
Can’t speak for the men, but most of the women bloggers here have either looked death in the face from serious illness, or else have played rugby. Or both.
Senator elect? Please speak up.
If it’s not they are arguably stupid and foolish.
And if they have NOT studied Uncle Ho and Chaing Kai, Geronimo, Crazy Horse and numerous others thruout history who created and delivered guerilla warfare then they are even stupider.
Somehow, I don’t think they are stupid.
Toby, you do write about the most interesting and varied things.
Are you going to be a regular Late Night host? And does that mean no more of your lovely garden/cooking/homely basics posts?
Meir & Thatcher are two of the 1% of women rulers of all countries in the 20th C who weren’t wives of or daughters of. (Total women rulers=2-3/4%.) A rare breed, and just as alpha male as the dominant male rulers.
Meyer, Thatcher, lived inside patriarchy so had to be fighters. I don’t think we know how women might rule inside a matriarchal system.
Colbert’s having somebody worth seeing tonight – brain fart: can’t remember who, and too lazy to look it up.
At some point the speaking stops, and the pointed spears speak the truth.
I wait the day.
But the rightwing is only one of the enemies, the other enemy that’s much greater is the corporate facist.
And powerful women WORK for them . . . and ARE them.
The battles are everywhere . . . for women, and men, of truth.
Words wont’ win the fight, anymore . . . deeds will speak the truth. With or without long pointy spears.
Great post, Awntie Toby . . . . really, really great post.
We all have battle armor we fit into . . . and I’d say it’s time to suit up fully, given what we face.
I was sort of coming to that; I think that one of the things that is a game changer here is that we have people who know where the line in the sand actually is.
The last thing I want to see is Ann Coulter lifting up her dirty black cocktail dress and shouting she can have some more . . .
The point (pimping hopefully a forthcoming book salon hosted by me) being that according to Ludwig, the distinction between chimps and human leaders is paper thin,
I was told that people thought my grandmother was some kind of radical because she read magazines … like Ladies’ Home Journal. (In the midwest in the teens and twenties, maybe that was radical.) She also had an actual college education. (University of Kansas: graduated about 1910 and taught school for a couple of years.)
I think they perceive a great difference in what they have to lose if they fail to support the male voices.
What seems to be happening, from my prospective, is that the insurance companies are coming together. Property, automobile, and whatever other insurance goodies (long-term care) are standing together. Screwing Americans.
Before Thatcher became PM Britain had the historic precedent of some really hard-nosed queens… not to mention monarchs. :-)
Did that education get put to use outside her family?
And a good and salient one it was, hoss . . . I’m with yas all the way on yer posit . . .
thank you so much…
I would rather let a large, hungry reptile chew on my… hand.
Rare,but not uncommon. Other than their assent to power.
I figure there’s more like them out there without the power base to raise them to high positions.
I know. I work with a few of them on our local community counsel. Well, not “with” them, that’s community counsel talk for, “I’m fucking taking you down,bitch!!!”.
Dya think.
And a couple of us have trained in martial arts, speaking of being prepared to fight.
Badass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCUuMGl39cU&NR=1
hehehehe…not as far as I know. I’m filling in for the usual suspects here at the moment. But the regular flow will not stop…I’ll be gearing up for garden season soon.
Ah, but the monarchs were daughters of, wives of, mothers of, etc. And outside Ludwig’s study if they were not in the 20th century, except for Ellie two sticks.
We’re strictly Tai Chi at Chez Siberia..
I’d love to see a book salon hosted by you, eCAHN!
Uh, are you forgetting Elizabeth I?
Sure, she was a daughter of Henry VIII, but the job was pure nepotism (inherited from parent to child, or sibling) for either sex.
Oh, and Eleanor of Aquitaine – according to a book I’m reading right now, the basic trouble between her and her husband, Henry II, was that she was the Duchess of Aquitaine, in her own right, and he kept thinking of her as just his wife.
Karate here. Three years.
It should probably be mentioned that in addition to other weapons at her disposal Toby has been known to make people eat horseradish…
The point of King of the Montain is that humans, bioevolutionarily, do not live in a matriarchal society, and if you persist in the delusion that is possible (bioevolutionarily) you will be heartily disappointed.
To EG and you Toby, that’s breathless . . . spot on both of yas.
There’s nothing like personal experience to toughen any one’s hide . . .
Sometimes the outside world assails, sometimes, you are assailed from within yourself.
Tougher is the end result if you make it thru it all.
Tough is not always about enduring, sometimes, as the males do, tough means being able and willing to throw a punch and go for the kill . . . when assailed.
We are all being assailed . . .
Working on it.
But the question remains: Is our best strategy to take them by surprise with a frontal attack? Certainly the ‘whisper in their ears’ has not worked.
Not to mention Queen Victoria – also queen in her own right – her husband was not the king, but merely Prince Consort.
So, while many of the 20th cent. female political leaders/heads of state have been wives or widows of leaders elected before them, those old queens of England – not so much!
It’s pretty fun to watch someone eat guacamole only to discover it’s….wasabi!!
medicinal purposes…medicinal purposes..
Perhaps this is/is not the moment to mention that Melanie Morgan is leaving her DC radio show to return to SF due to health reasons.
No, I forgot not Ellie One Stick. Only she wasn’t in Ludwig’s study, which was confined to the several thousand leaders of all countries in the 20th C.
That would be good on You Tube.
My first female boss was my boss for two weeks before I actually realized she was my first female boss. I still remember my first audience with Jane. It wasn’t under the best of circumstances. Jane wore no make-up, her hair was still wet from the shower–it was long back then–and she was wearing her favorite frock. I recognized it as the same one she wore from the Vegas airport of the first Dkos convention. She was a real hippy chick. Her engagement in issues, knowledge of people and policies, and real zest for engagement was very meaningful to me. The iron she wore was fashioned from wisdom, concern and desire. It was not designed to intimidate and repel, but to invite and inspire. I do not phase or stun and am as far from fanboy as possible. I have met and shaken hands with Bob Hope, Mohamed Ali and Ambassador Wilson. None of these three great men moved me more than Jane.
flashing lady parts?
Wow, this is some foul mouthed fembloggin’, this here…
Um, I was thinkin of Al Queda, not the women of Islam . .
‘K, there’s a HUGE topic of discussion there about women in ANY culture, religion, or society and what they stand to lose or gain depending upon the male role’s failures or successes . . . we’re now in Dr. Dick’s turf . . *G*
Ah, sorry. Didn’t notice the limitation there. (I’ve been a rabid fan of ER I from an early age)
It will take a helluva lot more than Morgan leaving to heal that cesspool.
Oh, you meant it the other way…
Link us up!
a coworker really did that when sushi was just becoming really really popular (mid 80s). had no idea.
liquids emitted from every facial feature.
Oh, and Eleanore of Acquitane rocks. More than a decade since I read her biography, but she is some impressive broad.
Well, she WAS a Sforza, after all…the castle had been under siege for several weeks. I think she felt that her only weapons were shock and awe.
The cranberry sauce at Christmas dinner at my mother’s retirement home was served with horseradish, and seemed to have horseradish in it.
I was not amused.
The corporate facist power structure has been ‘coming together’ since the articles of incorporation were made into law . . . I ‘SPOSE one could argue, they are about to hit their zenith and defeat us all and subdue us all to serf status . . . but it’s been goin on forever . . . this struggle of class.
And that’s what it’s all about, facism v. socialism/democratic republic, or whatever.
And the facism team is winning, big. Politically and class wise, across the board.
It is an effective way to clear your… everything, not to mention amusing restaurant staff.
With more than 26 months in country I’d have to verify that the violence and brutality of US military personnel is not the same one seen on teevee.
As we all continue to witness the disintegration of the nation think about how much we earned the suffering we deserve from all that we have done to so many innocents.
In the end, empires always turn on their own people. I’m old enough I’ll probably miss the coming domestic carnage.
Good luck.
So you surely know that ERI fits the alpha male pattern, even without the time frame studied by Ludwig. And all the compromises she has to make wrt her feminity to be an important ruler.
*whew*
Where you were headed . . . ;-)
Seems like that must have been intentional sabotage. Unless I missed the memo about them being complimentary food ingredients.
where are my manners? Here you go.
The ultimate defensive offense!
Some people think that’s a clever addition; I’m not particularly fond of it myself..but again, I’ve gone strictly to half cranberries/half blue berries and very little sugar in my sauces these days.
Oh, yeah. No question she was her father’s daughter – but having to avoid getting married and being “ruled” by a husband definitely complicated her life (to mention one thing).
That seems pretty rad for a retirement home. Are you sure that they didn’t mix up the cranberry sauce with the sauce for the shrimp hors d’oevres?
So?
A little ground horseradish, some water, sushi, soy sauce, rice . . . rice paper.
What’s not to like? *G*
Ah – there he is – Erick Erickson on Colbert! He seems proud of his idiocy.
Does he know Colbert is satire?
My fave line from the Lion in Winter.
that would rock.
So far. Our recent experiment in democracy was probably unthinkable also. Never has may not mean never will.
My mom loves the cranberry horseradish thing. Brings it to thanksgiving every year.
I wondered myself, but the dining room has a chef. I would have thought there would be choices, plain ordinary or jazzed up, but that was also I saw. It’s a pretty high end place, independent living – Mom lives in her own apartment. (I was there because she’d been in the hospital, was kinda weak, and feared being sent to the “care center” – the nursing home component of the community. With help [me] available, she was allowed to go home.)
Folks…I’ll be signing off, but thanks so much for joining in.
Our recent experiment in democracy was an affectation of the Enlightenment, R.I.P.
G’nite Toby. Thanks for the inspiring (and frightening) post. “g”
Lion in Winter is a complete diss of Elearnore of Aquataine. You must read a respectical bio of her if that’s what you think she was like.
Is it “Mama Steinberg’s Cranberry relish?”
That was my first thought at Christmas dinner, but it was regular cranberry color, not Pepto-Bismol pink. *g*
Shit happens to us all.
Her? I will not mourn her bad luck . . .
Yep, seems like a century of enlightenment requires five centuries of darkness to recharge the battery. Guess I’ll be pretty old before it comes around again.
Signing off so Bob and I can practice our song and dance routine. Splendid evening to all.
nite toby
You know, that’s certainly right, but my memory of the movie is mostly of Hepburn’s Eleanor, and it’s an entirelly positive memory. (you know, where you don’t recall details, just the major impression? Haven’t seen it in years, but it’s Eleanor first, Henry second, that stuck in my mind)
Nite, Toby. Nice work tonight.
Night, rat, and Bob.
Thanks Toby – great post – sleep well.
I would also argue that the fascist team has been as systematically undermining our young women at the same time as dumbing down several generations of workers.
I get so depressed watching vibrant girls turn into bimbos for social recognition. This is a huge problem and leads to pregnancy for pregnancy’s sake.
I raised my children knowing they would have to be warriors. Peace warriors. Because the world looked like it was getting shitty 21 years ago. And it was. And it’s always been that why throughout history.
We need to learn how to give our daughters strength to move beyond body image and into real possibilities.
If there’s anything I’ve learned from reading history, especially of women, it’s that any rights earned/won/established can and will be taken away when society shifts again. Only eternal vigilance can push back against the drift.
“With more than 26 months in country I’d have to verify that the violence and brutality of US military personnel is not the same one seen on teevee.”
What, is it less, more, different in some way?
“As we all continue to witness the disintegration of the nation think about how much we earned the suffering we deserve from all that we have done to so many innocents.”
Ok, so you are antiwar and anti USA interventionist in the military way?
“In the end, empires always turn on their own people. I’m old enough I’ll probably miss the coming domestic carnage.”
Empires turn on anyone that stands in their way, they crumble by not taking care of their base.
Toby, the long spear is called a naginata.
I have an uncle who regularly gives cranberries with horseradish. It’s a Maine thing.
I saw the movie after I read the bio by Kelley. The movie’s a travesty. Portrays Eleanore as a shrew and a harridan.
I’ve honestly never heard of this . . . not in 56 years . . someone has seriously fucked up the evolution of the cooking thang . . . ;-)
Better late than never.
nite ratfood
Empires crumble because of hubris, which is SOOO much in evidence in DeeCee. Unfortunately, they, including the U.S. one, do not crumble soon enough. They do so much harm before they wilt.
Oh my. Well, I definitely must go get some chocolate. And perhaps read awhile on that old-school medium, the paper page.
Being able to explore the lives of women like Eleanor of Aquitaine and Elizabeth I was one of the things I most enjoyed about teaching World History this past fall. The girls in my classes loved her. I had one write a very nice essay, then sum it up with: “I really enjoyed learning about Eleanor, because she was a bad ass.”
And for all the misogynists who think women aren’t capable of combat at grunt-level infantry, I love pointing out that the average American woman is bigger and stronger than the average Vietnamese man.
‘evenin’, all.
Did u link that a few nights ago, when we could have used it? *g*
That could mean any number of things. Hope she’s in good health…
I’m really glad to hear that. Nice note to say good night on.
G’nite all!
Somehow, I don’t find comfort in the fact that alpha females might be slightly competitive with alpha males. This from a Wall St. woman, who saw the irrationality firsthand.
You say hubris, I say not taking care of the base . . . semantics, Sistah . . . it’s the same thing. Greed, and eventual facism.
We end up in total agreement with your last two sentences . . . in TOTAL agreement.
I’m not much of a book reader anymore, past oh, 35 or so . . but you seem to be really, really well read and yeah, I’d LOVE to see you host a book salon . . . you have shared things from books and attributions about things I never think about . . . it’s like you have your own armor and yer own sharpened naginata as PW says, above.
Thanks for all you offer . . .
Maybe vigilance this time around is looking hard at more female candidates then male. Very few men are strong enough to stand up for the rights of ovaries over backroom power strokes. The B’hai religion impressed me with their belief that it’s time to empower women because there’s a lack of balance in our societies. They actively choose women over men [percentage-wise] for scholarships to correct this.
Not that I’m religious.
Absolutely true. They are, in the eyes of their rulers, too big to fail. and the ensuing neglect and failure to move to a sustainable structure, along with the incesssant infighting and treachery, bring them down every time. What I would really like to hear from an Aamerican politician (never gonna happen) is this: How to generate a soft landing for the American Empire, and thus avoid a catastrophic crash-but I don’t think a model for a post-imperial America is on anyone’s desk right now.
Archery
One breast removed.
As the bow is tightly drawn and released,
the sweet orb no longer blocks the rocket’s path.
Without interference, the shaft is more likely
to enter it’s mark.
Sisters Soteria, Phoebe and Bella stand behind
to advise the first flights of the cock feather.
Amazon women all.
Sustained by history and clear sight,
Ready to string the arrow,
ready to take aim.
Fixed for ya. And on that cynical note, I really am going to bed, with book and chocolate.
OT, and I’ll punch this up above when LLN hits . .
But why hasn’t FDL covered this?
Congress Skips Committee Conference!
Wow. Just wow.
Brilliant.
Thanks.
When you get to the floor and read this, I will be a happy man.
You with that little mic hanging from your jacket pocket and all…
Yes, exactly. We lose girls to societal pressures shaped strongly by corporatism at roughly third to fourth grade. Unless we get to them and intervene before then, STRONGLY, it’s too late. Most of them cave and yield and become pliant, only weakly armed at best in competitions with a background in sports.
Cannot emphasize enough that real intervention is required, and the lack of it has hurt our society enormously. That women have represented more than 50% of students in business school for decades yet yielded less than 10% of boardroom seats is deplorable. Ditto for the percentage of seats in Congress. It hurts our people greatly when a majority are clearly underrepresented and their needs actively denigrated through that underrepresentation.
I’m glad Toby picked samurai women as a topic. One of the other problems we have is using western culture as a model. There are other models of society which can and have worked, in which the gender of leadership has been female or at least fluid — and they’re not western societies. In some cases, the titular leader may have been a man, but the actual leader was a woman. Which might suggest a fundamental answer to a nagging problem: do we really need titular leadership to create real change?
Lilith
The flue is up.
The hearth, cold.
Jesus, swung high on the cross,
guards the unlit passion.
Behind him the black grate is closed.
Above the stony altar,
transfixed,
four censored brides in pink
chant
“Always a bride,
never a bride’s maid.
Always a bride,
never a bride’s maid.”
Curled
around the corner and
out of sight, the original
untamed wife, Lilith.
Backed against the wall
she waits.
The light must be right.
When aesthetics
and energy mesh
she rounds the corner to face the alter,
kicks in the concept,
blows the dust out of the heads of the pink ladies
and
ushers in chaos.
I used to do that in the bay area. Eons ago.
A good post to reference the next time somebody accuses me of being suffused with the Obama personality cult….
The naginata, a pole-arm which was more a relative of the glaive rather than a classic spear or lance.
So… an image of Jane wielding something like a samurai sword’s blade which has several feet of wooden shaft for a handle and which provides both an extended reach and greater leverage for striking power as Shortride backpedals like he’s never backpedaled before…
…. I’m a bad kitty… bad, bad kitty… ;)
I disagree with the Economist here. http://ow.ly/SEHi
Gently, folks.
Good luck with that. I think everyone here knows something of the collapse of empires. The rule seems to be that while the huge groaning sound is happening the rats rob and flee. Some crash and burn. Some rise to the top.
Man, history is not our friend right now.
History sucks!!!
I’m seeing a mix of styles: Naginata used in the classic Swiss pike square formation.
She was a ‘home agent’ during the depression, going around and helping people to make better use of their gardens (and their chickens).
Funnily enough, FDL is still considered to be a haven of Obama-worshipers by some folk, most notably the Hillary fans who never stopped fighting the primaries.
I saw some of them visit just the other day. Deriding FDL for not playing it down the middle during the primaries. Seriously.
I pity them.
I am surprised we don’t see more of Hillary. Perhaps she is working too hard for the teevee to understand what she is doing.
Hopefully, the Hillary Fans will understand who and what FDL is about sooner rather than later.
This view seems to me to be a good way to identify people who don’t often read FDL.
The middle is no where. The middle is also make believe. That is why O is so depressed and lost.
Thank you,Tejenarusa. There’s nothing wrong with cynical. As long as you add spice and vigor with it.
A cocktail. You can drink it in or you can light it and throw it. Ladies choice!
I dunno. That’s a pretty good image.
Especially if she’s standing on the landward end of a dock, pointing towards the water end.
I think he’s depressed. If he is not, he should be.
It is depressing to have to hold yourself so still for so long.
well put
Rayne @ 128, the Pope is so not going to appreciate your views. Watch your back!! Those Catholic old men are getting active again.
Actually, I think that piece is pretty good. One of the biggest problems is that leadership in both business and politics is blind — literally unable to see women’s ability to achieve, because they are are by numbers primarily men and used to looking at leadership only through a masculine lens.
There’s a terrific book which cracked my head wide open about this issue, “Changes of Mind: A Holonomic Theory of Human Consciousness” by Prof. Jenny Wade at SUNY. She assembled and compared various theories of human consciousness, and in doing so created a larger, whole theory of human emergence through states of consciousness. While the aim of her book had little to do with gender, it was the model which explained the schism between the sexes.
At a certain point in our development (typically as adults), we tend to emerge into two major states of consciousness — achievement and affiliative. Persons experiencing achievement-based consciousness relate to everything in terms of measures, where persons experiencing affiliative consciousness tend to experience everything in terms of relationship to other nodes on a human network and the condition of the network (affiliation).
If consciousness is defined as one’s experience of reality, then we are talking about two separate populations which have completely different experiences of reality. They literally do not exist in the same reality with each other in the same way.
They are “blind.”
So where one population understands achievement (runs batted in, touchdowns, scalps taken, sales made, etc.), the other population understands affiliation (Person A is connected to Person B and their resources through Person C and a different set of resources, and so on).
Does this sound familiar?
The trick to this is that consciousness is fluid; we are able to shift states of consciousness. But it takes puncturing the other groups’ state of awareness to get them to stretch enough to participate in that other state. The problem is a lack of incentives to do so. As long as business and politics offer rewards based solely on a system based in achievement orientation, it will be challenging to reach parity.
And that is one of the biggest single reasons I am no longer Catholic.
The dogma of the Church, as with many religions, is a collection of heavily edited memetic material designed to extend control of males over reproduction.
Think about it: how many religions have extended prohibitions over women in such a way that they cannot determine freely who they will mate with, and how often does religion reinforce a patriarchy which deprives women of their power to choose a mate?
This is how non-breeding males shape the genome — not by inserting genetic material, but by using memetic material to shape the exchange of genetic material.
Monsters.
Sounds like an awesome book. Thanks.
I hope it’s still in print. It’s an easy read even for folks who aren’t psychologists, and I have to stress that it’s about human consciousness.
Some people have difficulty with understanding how there can be concurrent but different states of consciousness in a population. I’ve pointed to the ends of the spectrum as examples. An infant’s state of awareness is not like an adult’s, very challenging to quantify and qualify but we’ve all been there and we know it’s different. We also understand even if we haven’t experienced transcendent consciousness, because we’ve had examples shown to us through culture.
In theory, because the two major states of consciousness experienced by adults are parallel, it’s a lot easier to move back and forth between these states than to achieve transcendent consciousness. No meditational practice required, although techniques not unlike what Dr. Gray advocated in “Men are from Mars, Women from Venus” might be necessary for those firmly entrenched in their respective states of awareness.
(By the way, the affiliative/achievement schism is essentially the challenge Gray addresses rather naively in his book, for rather limited purposes.)
evening, FDL’ers
But couldn’t there be overlap between these two states? So if a man starts his own business with the goal of achieving monetarily (mainly) and realizes that the key to his professional success is the hiring of his heretofore respected colleague (woman) to become CEO, and the prospective CEO likes the idea of building a strong network, wouldn’t that break the model?
This is exactly why I advocate for the “C” word. Why female voiced “blue jokes” need more acknowledgement. When someone says,”Don’t say sexual connotations when speaking of women role models….I say, Bring It On!”.
If we are going to compete for the next leadership of American community we need to blow those fucking pedestals up.
Mothers have sex. That’s why you’re here. Deal with it.
Uhm, maybe my response is not quite appropriate to Rayne . ?. Well, kind of,or not . … *g*
I’m great at T-boning myself in a discussion.
Thx. That’s helpful. The Economist piece was a worthy read. I just don’t agree with their ok we’ll let you in, but you play by our rules view of women in leadership roles. Traditional ideas of structure and process in large organizations are changing fast..even faster with the recession.
Oh yes, there most definitely could be an overlap. It’d be optimum.
There are businesses which depend upon the ability to maximize network resources, as just one example; these would be a physical parallel to the abilities realized in affiliative consciousness, and it might be very important to have persons who live in that state of awareness in management.
Way back when I first started business school, I remember being puzzled at the number of women I met who were system admins or network admins versus technicians or technologists, even though the number of women I met in IT were few in number. 20 years later after reading that book it clicked.
Well, I think the C-word is like the N-word. It’s so toxic, so loaded with negative connotations, so overused as a pejorative that it may take a very long time before the word could be used in a safe manner by either gender. There will have to be at least one generational shift before it could be used differently. Only a very few people will pull it off in the mean time, and never in the context of workplace.
But with regard to the larger issue of sex and the workplace, as long as sex is seen as an instrument of power and as long as women and men are not conscious of the primal nature of the genetic warfare they are conducting within the species, it’s going to be really difficult to conduct business without making that off-limits. There’s simply enough other power struggles to battle through without adding sex, too.
Eleanor of Aquitaine was one of my heroes when I was a teenager and first read about her. I liked that she didn’t take any crap off any man even though she was in a time where women were supposed to go from being their father’s chattel to their husband’s chattel.
So your thesis is although the optimum is attainable, it is seldom realized? That rings true since I see so many women starting businesses with other women.
I think the article actually implies unconsciously that they — the men of the Economist, spoken for through the author — are wrestling with their shift in awareness. They are conscious of the fact that they have expected women to look and act like men to be successful, because they literally couldn’t see them unless they looked like men. (By look I mean in terms of consciousness, not literally in appearance.)
The challenge is that they don’t understand how to do the opposite to get across to those of us in the other dominant state of consciousness. They can’t speak the language here, you know? That’s why the article gets under your nerves in a fashion you can’t quite quantify or qualify.
You also live in a state of affiliative consciousness most of the time; one of the traits is a sense of fairness, because inequity disrupts the networks. That article may disturb you because it seems fundamentally unfair that one group of people are forced by gender alone to play by others’ rules. Unfortunately, when they are completely immersed in the other dominant state of consciousness, the other group with the rules only understands winning and by the numbers. It’s a lot like two groups trying to communicate using two completely different languages without any translator.
Well, I think women realize they can’t break through the barrier of consciousness unless the business model fundamentally relies on transcending that barrier.
That’s why women have been the largest percentage of new business owners and startups. They simply go and play where they can make the rules rather than be forced to play by somebody else’s rules while never getting a chance to win.
There’s slow progress, though. Major accounting firms, for example, realized they needed to change the way they treated women. In my adult lifetime they went from virtually never accommodating women to bending over backwards to do so. Part of this was due to competitive pressure for talent; Plante and Moran, for example, was a very early adopter of women- and family-friendly policies, which meant there were more good workers competing to get in the door and more good workers staying longer. Turnover costs big bucks after all. It hurt competitors like Deloitte and Touche which had to change and adapt.
I agree to a point. I would never use the C as a conversational word. However, it has it’s uses to define very specific females of power performing very specific bad actions. I’m not talking genitals.I save the male counterpart Prick for exactly that usage. Male genitalia words are mainstream because males are comfortable with them[male genitalia] and therefore they are the words of comfortable dominance. Prick, cocksucker,balls,gonads,rod, blah,blah. Those words don’t break the social barrier because they’re accepted.
Jeez, even bitch has taken on non-gender specific usage.
There’s only Toxic words if we agree they’re toxic,imho.
I’m not advocating that we all start swearing. I’m advocating for sexual equality in common language.
Why should only women blush? Give as good as you get, I say.
I spent 20 years in an industry that employed more women in regional upper management than men. The employees were also mostly women. But the corporate office had one woman in the top 5 executive positions. The top 3 men formed their own hierarchy. My friend (the one woman) called them “The Holy Trinity.”
Yup, agree. Finance for instance seems like a boys club. Would be good to see people like Warren and Bair given more latitude as the Financial Reform bill makes its way through the Senate.
We need Elizabeth Warren on the SCOTUS.
WH!
From your mouth to god’s (or whomever) ears!
You are so lucky to have easy access to the Met’s Costume Exhibits! Many years ago (now) I would take a group of students each year to NY for a week’s study tour. One of the “must sees” during that time was whatever the current exhibit at the Met was. Remember one on arms and armor that (iirc) had a few pieces from the far East……things of great beauty.
The Hillary folks who never returned to the D side of the column were probably never there in the first place.