
Pictured: a terrorist-enabling ACLU civil liberties extremist
Jim DeMint, summing up the ZOMG-you-can’t-give-these-terrists-a-trial meme on Sunday.
“If we had treated this Christmas Day bomber as a terrorist, he would have immediately been interrogated military-style, rather than given the rights of an American and lawyers,” Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) said on CNN. “We probably lost valuable information.”
But back before Republicans reflexively went into a fetal position every time someone of Arab decent sneezed, things were different.
Remember the Lockerbie bombing? Pan Am Flight 103. Killed 270 people, including 179 Americans.
And what was the response of the first Bush administration?
[excerpt from the Washington Post - 11/4/89]
Regarding the investigation into the mid-air bombing that killed all 259 people aboard Pan Am Flight 103 and 11 more on the ground in Scotland, [CIA Director William] Webster said the U.S. government is still not at the point where it could issue indictments and arrest warrants for anyone.
Webster praised the combined efforts of investigators from four nations to track down the terrorists responsible but said there had been “too much discussion” in the news media about their work.
“It makes it very difficult to lay traps and find new evidence when people start reading about themselves. And it makes countries and [security] services defensive. Right now the name of the game is for the bomb not to have been put on board in their country,” he said. He added that by using the term “lay traps,” he meant surveillance of suspects. [...]
Asked whether the goal is to apprehend those responsible and bring them back to the United States for trial, the CIA director replied, “That’s correct.”
How times have changed.
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The son figured out that it was much easier to lead a fearful people around by the nose.
There you go making informed rational arguments against the loony willfully ignorant.
Interrogate him? Hell, you might as well interrogate a turtle. What are they gonna ask him: “Hey, does that hurt?”
I am sorry, but reality has no meaning or effect on these people. Nothing you tell them will have an iota of impact and they are likely to call you a liar.
The great thought for the day !
Here’s what I expect to be the right-wing response to this: (with fingers in ears) LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!!!!!
The Rethugs will say, “Oh, that’s so pre-9/11.”
At least every schoolkid in the country will know the birthdate of the modern Republican Party.
And, of course, this also shows ignorance of the facts we do (apparenlty) know – everything I’ve heard/read is that the man talked and talked and talked.
So where does this meme come from that we lack information gathered from this guy?
Oh, yeah, I know, what Dr. Dick @4 said. Still.
More like crickets.
Oh, good one. I’m storing that one away, SD.
…that Dick Cheney will eat. Then there will be silence.
it’s more than wet beds. we’re dealing with poop in the pants too.
I’m not sure the Lockerbie bomber is the best example of courts handing out justice to the guilty.
As I recall, after 7 years into a life sentence they let the guy that killed 270 people go free.
Dick Cheney and Karl Rove
The sonfigured out that it was much easier to lead a fearful people around by the nose, then they told Bush what to say.Fixed it.
Not so fast. On that one, I think W was right in there. As a bully, he would have been very aware of the power of fear.
Justice, not vengeance.
It would have saved a lot of lives, not to mention money and the reputation of the United States in the world.
Actually, they’ll probably just do what they always do, act like it never happened. If they say that it didn’t happen enough times, it will then become truth. The GOP never lets pesky facts get in the way of good propaganda.
I do, however, like the mental image of Dick Cheney eating crickets, though he’d have to take a break from eating babies to do it…
a mature democracy doesn’t let terrorists change its theory of government or prosecution.
there is no PLUS to starting new kinds of tribunals. Our courts can handle these people. No extraordinary judicial processes are necesssary.
thank you very much.
Agree, they do not live with the rest of us in the reality-based community, they live in the “reality” that they invent anew each day.
As we can see, “Military Style” has gotten us a lot. If only our brain was as big as our military.
GHWB is a RINO, a perfect example of Rockefeller Republicans, he couldn’t get elected dog catcher in Texas. Just ask DeMint what he thinks of GHWB, that’s what he’ll tell you.
The end is being ignored. This guy was released just before his appeal came up on the docket. Daddy knew that propaganda would be easier controlled from here.
I understand that this was a “political decision” – not a legal decision.
So true. And he raised taxes!
Gee, I seem to remember a time when what Sen.DeMint calls “the rights of an American” were considered ‘human rights’ and our government critised any other government that didn’t extend these right to everyone.
Nice post, BT. Again, reality has a liberal bias. Pity that Repubs won’t say what they really think-they’re so afraid Darth will shoot them in the face.
He’s done it before, y’know.
And from the days when Jimmy Carter tried to force America (and its foreign policy) to live up to its professed ideals, the Rs like DeMint have done their level best to undermine the human rights efforts.
Too lazy to research but I’d wager that DeMint was a staunch supporter of apartheid South Africa
Thanks for the post BT.
DeMint is going to use every deflection under the sun. Once it was out that he was the one responsible for the hold up of Obama’s TSA pick, he started running the scare narrative in another “must be negative” direction.
How stupid can one be? Hold up a significant appointment irt national security. Try to blame the president on the delay of the appointment, when you are the one causing the delay and then try the next spin of “Republicans would never choose to handle the bomber in court.”
DeMint, the “tan one” will come to your rescue in a day or two.
Which, when taken in context with his base means.
pre-nine-eleven!
pre-nine-eleven!
pre-nine-eleven!
pre-nine-eleven!
pre-nine-eleven!
pre-nine-eleven!
Bedwetting…pants pooping…baby eating…
Is this a third grade playground, or the home of “enlightened” illiberals?
I was told this was a place to find intelligent discourse, but then again, that was by a stark-raving “progressive.”
Sometimes it is necessary to lower our level of discourse to match that presented by folks who come in and call us “illiberals”
And pardoned Iran Contra dudes!
DeMint is skirting very close to the treason line.
Typical bovine scatology from a third-grader…nanny nanny boo-boo…
So what term would you prefer those who exhibit the bed-wetter syndrome of going “OMG!1! I’m so scared of people with limited technology and ability to actually harm the US?”
I grew up in the era where we played duck ‘n’ cover in school. I served in the USAF at SAC bases where we knew we were targets of missiles and bombers and at no time did anyone ever act as scared as the Republicans are acting today and there was far more reason to be p*ssing our pants then there is to do so today.
Heh.
Wasn’t it Rahn Emanuel who said, “never let a good crisis go to waste.”
I’m just pointing out the lunacy can be found on both sides of the aisle,
but then I’m a “Tea-Bagger”
Our tax dollars at work at NPR: Learn To Speak Teabag
Unlike others, I don’t mind the smutty hyperbole being tossed around. I am trying to get the movement to adopt the moniker, so we can shove it down the Democrats throats til they choke on it. I just don’t like my tax dollars going to such a purpose.
Glad to see you embracing the words that were first used to describe your movement by your own people. It’s just that folks on the left had enough sense to google the term “teabagger” when it was first used by the right on this.
So what do you prefer your tax dollars be spent on, more bailouts for the banksters? Or more invasions and occupations of countries in the middle east?
It is interesting that you try to compare the response of the US government from 1989 to that of today. That’s, what, a 20-plus year gap? How has our knowledge of the Islamic terrorists expanded since then? Remember, back in 1989, we all thought that Libya’s Qaddafi was the boogey man. Now we know that the Islamic extremists have declared war on us and our culture. Go back and re-read the 9/11 Commission’s report: they were at war with us but we were not at war with them.
Al Qaeda doesn’t care if you are liberal – I’m sorry, “progressive” – or conservative. You are still an infidel and they have sworn to kill you.
“…words that were first used to describe your movement by your own people”
That’s a crock.
” the left had enough sense to google the term “teabagger” when it was first used by the right…”
Or so many of you are intimately familiar with the concept.
“So what do you prefer your tax dollars be spent on, more bailouts for the banksters? Or more invasions and occupations of countries in the middle east?”
None of the above. The Tea Party platform rails against the bailouts of all private institutions. The free market should be allowed to create solutions.
The middle east is not such an easy nut to crack. Personally, I wish we would get out of the whole region, and focus on covert support for internal independence movements. Though many Iranians are coming out now to say that Iraq was the genesis of what is happening now in Iran, I still think the same could have been accomplished through less expensive means, in terms of lives and dollars.
Actually , the teabgger term was first used to describe the act of sending teabags to Congress. You can even look it up, so yes the “teabagger” did start from the right.
And for what it’s worth, there is no such thing as a “free market.” “Free market” is just a free pass for the businesses to screw people in a drive to get the most and screw the rest.
And for the record as well, I was one who did not know the term until after it had first been used by the right.
Not buying it.
Um…someone refresh my memory. When was George H.W. Bush President? And when was the determination made to treat terrorists as enemy combatants?
Seems to be something of a gap in the timing there. In fact, I am at a loss. What possible relevance does Bush 41’s desire to try the Lockerbie terrorists 12 years before 9/11 and the designation of terrorists as enemy combatants have to the current argument?
None – but then, I think I just heard an Arab sneeze so anything is possible.
I guess that pointing out that 20 years ago Republicans weren’t total babies crying when someone did something to the US is not pertinent to you then?
It just goes to show how much the US has changed in the 20 years (or the 12 between Lockerbie and 9/11 if you prefer) and how we used to not be so full of cry babies. As well as a recognition that those who use terror tactics to attack the US should be treated as the common criminals that they are and not built up into some sort of scary e-vul boogity boogity men.
The only crying I see is from the left, I mean when they aren’t busy wishing people would die, or making silly moral equivalencies to try and justify The Arrogant Ones ineptitudes.
It’s time to turn off the lesser voices in your movement like the Kossacks, TP.org, MM, MT, Hamsher, Olbermann, Maddow and Sanchez, and start reading or listening to responsible adults.
Or I guess you stay on the sinking ship, your choice.