Yesterday, Micah Sifry at TechPresident posted an article that has already drawn quite a bit of praise for its description of how the Obama administration has fallen short of the Obama campaign’s image of grassroots populism:
… the image of Barack Obama as the candidate of “change”, community organizer, and “hope-monger” (his word), was sold intensively during the campaign. Even after the fact, we were told that his victory represented the empowerment of a bottom-up movement, powered by millions of small donors, grassroots volunteers, local field organizers and the internet….
… In The Audacity to Win, [Obama's 2008 campaign manager David] Plouffe writes often of an “enthusiasm gap” that he saw between Obama’s supporters and the other Democratic candidates…. Now, there is a new enthusiasm gap, but it’s no longer in Obama’s favor. That’s because you can’t order volunteers to do anything–you have to motivate them, and Obama’s compromises to almost every powers-that-be are tremendously demotivating.
Obviously, this demotivation and disappointment has been covered extensively here at FDL. But since it’s now 2010 — a fresh start, a clean slate, all that nonsense — and I’m an incurable idiot optimist, let’s raise the question of how the president and other Democrats could correct this problem.
No, this doesn’t mean we should expect Obama (or anyone else) to have a dramatic personal revelation that it’s his destiny to become the Flaming Sword of Progressive Truth that he certainly hasn’t been so far. Instead, I’m assuming a smaller, more pragmatic lightbulb-goes-on moment… namely, the realization that if they don’t give their base something to feel good about in the next 10 months, the Democrats could be in for a painful November wake-up call.
As I suggested last month, for example, even a small follow-up bill to create jobs could combine with the two-thirds of the money still due to be spent from the 2009 stimulus package to put the economy in a more promising position by the end of the year.
And regarding healthcare reform, assuming the House and Senate finish making their legislative sausage by Obama’s “State of the Union” address to Congress, wouldn’t it be something of a political masterstroke to announce a plan to strengthen and complete the watered-down bill by passing an expansion of Medicare using budget reconciliation rules? That would be a classic example of doing the hard, unpleasant work during the off year, and delivering the most popular aspect of reform right before the 2010 elections.
Please suggest your own wishful-thinking-but-kinda-plausible ideas in the comments. Sure, it’s easy to snark that none of it will happen, but you never know… maybe Rahm or someone is waking up with a hangover this morning, and realizing that the one they’ll have in November will be a lot worse if they don’t get their act together.



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Cash for caulkers could be good.
Happy new year Swopa!
This is snark, right?
I’m with Matt Taibbi on this proposition:
“First of all, we should get one thing out of the way — it’s not any citizen’s job to give a politician credit for his political calculations. In fact, that should rightly be part of the calculus of any political calculation; a politician should have to weigh the benefits of making, say, an unsavory insider alliance against the negative of public criticism for that move. If a leader doesn’t have to earn the admiration you give him, then a) that admiration doesn’t mean anything, and b) he will surely spend all his political capital on the people who do make him earn it.
Anyone who wonders why the Obama administration seems to be bending over so far backwards to appease conservatives and industry leaders in the health care debate and Wall Street in the financial regulatory reform debate can find their answer there: those groups make Obama pay for their financial/political support with real actions and policy concessions, while Obama’s “base” will continue their feverish support in exchange for mere gestures and marketing hocus-pocus, for news about the new family puppy or an appearance on Jay Leno.”
Eureka!! My Halloween costume for this year is now set.
Tax breaks for machine tool purchuses, especially domestic, and incentives for small manufacturers to supply domestic goods to MIC, and get the fuck off the Free Trade bullshit bandwagon would be better.
Just sayin. Heh hippie. (on edit, forgot to say Happy New Year)
Thanks Swopa. Well written piece.
Sounds like the Medicare expansion is the kind of specific improvement that could be responsive to a very specific, targeted, organized FDL effort. As in we could get it done.
Would make a heck of a poster, too.
Getting some of those legal appointments through that back up transparency and the rule of law would be really good. So far, all the evidence seems to show that those promises were just for campaign purposes, too.
Would like to see Congress get going on a climate change bill asap.
Sorry, but I was a forecaster, not a collector of hortatories.
You must be kidding; nothing that will come out of this congress, when thrown onto the scales will outweigh the portion thrown to the Corporations!
Good luck with those flames…! ;-)
Thank god you’re here to offer up the usual absolutes.
What evidence can you present for reason for optimism from this congress and this prez?
Any would be greatly appreciated…! I sure could use the boost…! ;-)
What’s up dawg?
Once HCR is enacted, they will focus on doing what they can to speed up the business cycle. They know that the state of the economy on Labor Day
is the key to the November election.
eCAHN,
Respect ya. Have for years. You are a long time, valued, treasured and beloved commenter here at the Lake. (and truth be told, you and I have actually met) I will not throw down with you tonight, or any other night, given your more than year and a half bashfest on our current President. What ever his shortcomings he is what we are forced to work with now.
As for the current Congress, it is, and will remain my belief that it is our responsability as voters to bend them to majority will or replace them.
I continue to work toward that every day.
You’re a glutton for punishment. May as well just forget it and watch the Rose Bowl.
I completely agree with Taibbi on that point. In fact, the premise of this post is that Obama & co. realize they *are* paying a price for their compromises — and so suggestions are in order as to what they can plausibly do to dig themselves out.
Granted, some people may not want to even consider that possibility, preferring to bask in the sweet self-pity of perennial loserdom. One thing I learned this year is that for every Village wanker looking to punch a hippie, there’s a hippie who *wants* to be punched because it confirms their view of the world.
More progress toward the final demise and extinction of the human species?
It’s been that sort of year, I’m guessing, at least from the P.O.V. of all life forms from wolves and polar bears to, say, H1N1 and E. coli.
Or if not human species extinction, how about at least Republicans?
I am watching.
Did you see Auburn v Northwestern? Wow, what a game.
Why do you think that?
Couldn’t agree more with throw the bums out. Just looking for a way of doing it, since most of what’s been tried hasn’t worked very well.
Yup, insane finish. I’m still tired from our trip to the Chik Bowl last night.
Actually not a bad game so far.
a good EFCA — & fuck Licoln and Landrieu
And “some people” would love to see someone like Palin or worse get elected to help bring their “revolution” come to pass.
I did see that Rush has gotten out of the hospital and pronounced that there is nothing wrong with American health care….at least he knows Hawaii is part of America.
hopefully they’ll get creamed in tre next election and reaLIZE they need to re=motivate us if they wanna get re=elected 2 years after that.
Believe me it’s watching it is the only thing that keeps me sitting here.
What oldnslow said @ 6.
“Obviously, this demotivation and disappointment has been covered extensively here at FDL.”
I think you got this partly right, but you’re ignoring the role FDL has helped play in demotivating the base. So here’s my suggestion: For every certain number of posts on how disappointing some Obama compromise has been to a given FDLer, one example of a good thing coming from the administration should be at least mentioned. Even with the warty HCR bill, we have experienced undeniable change this past year, especially compared to the previous eight. It’s unquestionably change in the right direction, and change that would NEVER have occurred under McPalin.
I’ll start: Has anyone mentioned that as of December 14 we now have access to 27 new embryonic stem cell lines and funding to study them?
http://www.genengnews.com/blog/item.aspx?id=582
See how easy that was?
Aha, I see you’ve learned the wingnuts’ trick of attributing a false premise to “some people.”
crappy weather ya’ll are havin
.
It was a quote from Swopa’s post smart ass.
Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) – Unions may never have a better chance than now. The House, Senate, and President. The Senate Leader from a union state in a close race.
Drug re-importation before 2010 election. Seniors will be a larger percentage of voters this time.
DADT repeal as part of next years Defence Department Appropriations bill. It is for National Security, not in spite of National Security.
“and so suggestions are in order as to what they can plausibly do to dig themselves out.”
Digging themselves out is vastly different from enacting Democratic platform based, sound policies. So, I object to the concept of even suggesting that they can redeem themselves by throwing a couple baubles to the progressives. Fuck them, fight them, show them up, ridicule them, whatever – but don’t sell out for trinkets.
Enjoying a peaceful new year’s day…! I enjoyed that Penn St./LSU game… That was some old school ball playing…! ;-)
Btw… did you take a gander at my latest diary I posted last night…?
Help yourself.Stop beleaveing what a politician tells you.When you hear be glad I’m watching out for you the people.It’s a lie.There 57 Democrats signed the July 30 letter saying that they “simply cannot vote”for a bill that” at minium” does not have a public plan.I would say that everyone can choose to buy into or not.A strong Public Option or better buy into Medicare.If these 57 do not stick to there pledge can you ever trust them will you allway wonder if there lieing when thay speek after all thay signed a letter this time.These are the ones that need voteing out of office if thay vote for anything less.Don’t need a hen house full of foxes.Remove them if thay break there pledge and watch the progress of My UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.We will fine the people that will do the will of the people.
Nicely done. Do you read Pat Lang’s stuff? He’s one of the few people I can find that has actually been in middle east.
He’s finally learning…! I did find this headline rather amusing…
Bwhahaha…!
So…who won?
That’s odd. I don’t see Swopa using those words and cntrl F didn’t identify it in Swopa’s post either.
Cold and rainy. Sux big time. Just readin’ and waitin’ for the Sugar Bowl.
Swopa January 1st, 2010 at 4:16 pm
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I completely agree with Taibbi on that point. In fact, the premise of this post is that Obama & co. realize they *are* paying a price for their compromises — and so suggestions are in order as to what they can plausibly do to dig themselves out.
Granted, some people may not want to even consider that possibility, preferring to bask in the sweet self-pity of perennial loserdom. One thing I learned this year is that for every Village wanker looking to punch a hippie, there’s a hippie who *wants* to be punched because it confirms their view of the world.
Control f doesn’t seem to work here lately. . .strange indeed.
Have you realized at all that withholding these lines has been, is nothing other than a cynical construct of TPTB to begin with? We’ve been thrown something that should never have been placed out of our hands in the first place!
Yea, all the fields are in bad shape. That kid from Miami blew his knee on a cut and no one touched him.
Really, in this day and age, an optimist is someone who allows himself to be less pessimistic than he used to be.
Me, I’m a realist. Obama and the DLC ilk will change only when we make them. If progressives can rally around a strategy that effectively blunts the Bilderberger agenda in Washington, lots of things will change. As a consequence, what I’m working now on is a way to be less pessimistic about that.
So I’m, well, cautiously optimistic that I am overly pessimistic about bringing this about.
At least I’m headed in the right direction. Or, as Mr Colbert might say, I’m headed in the rightier direction.
For me, the way forward is a reply to every email I get from any WH operative (and there are many) that says, pretty much; Eat Shit. You are not doing what you said you would do and until you do don’t expect my support, I’m already considering shopping for a new candidate should things not turn around fairly quickly.
Got it. Missed that one. It did show up on my cntrl F, but as it was not part of the original post, I didn’t look at who had typed it. Thanks.
I’m still not in favor of using the “some people” straw man. Because the wingnuts so abused it.
buncha people here headed in the “right” direction if ya know what I mean. . . .red rover red rover let GROVER come over!
is one out of two allowed? if it is, i’ll just go with the wishful-thinking part.
I’m one of the unreasonable FDL types who is hoping the the healthcare bill does a crash and burn, because Obama needs to be embarrassed badly and scared shitless to force him to get serious about living up to the promise of his campaign. He needs to be confronted with the possibility of a failed Presidency– otherwise, he is going to continue serving up lukewarm horseshit as policy.
Well, I removed myself from every D party emaillist. As I was doing that, as a protest, it occurred to me that once I was off every list, my protest was over without making a difference. Another failed experiment.
guess you’ll have to take that up with brother swopa of whom I was needlin!
needlin, get it?
Happy New Year selise. Hope you are safe, warm, a good roof over your head (*g*), and healthy, and more of the same for 2010.
“one of”?, the joint is lousy wit em
Fire Rahm, Geihtner, and Summers…
Honestly..it’s going to take some huge stuff like that to get me motivated again.
I have zero interest in helping the corporate sellout.
Bro.
Yeah, and as I was typing my response to you I was trying to figure out what would be a more honest (or transparent or straightforward) way to put up a straw man, a useful debating device, but I haven’t come up with one yet.
Bookmarked and dog-eared…! ;-)
I’ve chatted with him from time to time…!
Have you ever checked out Ranger Against War…? Great site…! ;-)
Don’t over think it, life’s too short.
I live for thinking. You might have noticed. *g*
ha ha, stem cells.
surely the prisoners from Guantanamo, never convicted of anything, transferred to Illinois to rot in jail indefinitely will be ever so delighted to hear about the new stem cell lines.
if they are not enduring the brain-wrecking sensory deprivation phase, at least!
the Right wing has a fetish for zygotes over the needs and suffering of real people, and now the (D) captured Liberals can fetishize stem cells over needs and suffering of real people. Hope-n-Change©!
Sorry… Didn’t catch your question earlier…! Penn State and JoePa…! 19-17…! A close game all the way…!
Love the Life I Live
& Live the Life I Love
Mose Allison
I see you watching me just like a hawk
I don’t mind the way you talk
But if you touch me something’s got to give
I live the life I love
And I love the life I live
A diamond ring and my money too
Tomorrow night they could belong to you
The girls move me at their will
I live the life I love
And I love the life I live
May lay a hundred-dollar bet this time
Tomorrow night I can’t cover your dime
Next week I could be over the hill
Just trying to tell you people how I feel
I see you rocking and you pass me by
Talk about me ‘cause I might be high
Just forgive me if you will
I live the life I love
And I love the life I live
May lay a hundred-dollar bet this time
Tomorrow night I can’t cover your dime
Next week I could be over the hill
Just trying to tell you people how I feel
I see you rocking and you pass me by
Talk about me ‘cause I might be high
Just forgive me if you will
I live the life I love
And I love the life I live
Live the life I love
I love the life I live
I live the life I love
The life I live
Again, eCAHN, you are in fact respected and beloved here.
But hon, honest to gad and no shit, if ya take yur name off the email list how the fuck are ya gonna know what their up to? But more importantly, how can ya effectively, immediately respond?
We can always wish upon a star, eh, M’dear…? *g* HNY…!
better to give them art therapy classes
I thought that the stem cell thingie was going to help stop the suffering of real people. Just saying..
Raven – happy new year
u2 eg, nice post this mornin
diabetes, spinal cord injury, cancer, birth defects and more. Of course, you have to actually have health care to make use of it.
happy new year to you too ecahn!
how is the tiger?
what’s your fetish porky?
Thanks for providing a perfect example of my point.
There are too many two year old mentalities like yours dominating the conversation on the left, and this is why the Right has owned us for my entire adult life.
Thank ye, me laddie
Thanks for that advice, which comes too late. Seemed like a good idea at the time, though. *g*
i hope so, as the “kinda-plausible” has got me stumped. HNY!
Maybe he knows Ned Beatty.
She’s a love. She’s gonna be a tree climber.
No one has ever responded to me with a poem (or lyrics?) before. Wow.
or would like to
Goodness…! Be gentle now…! ;-)
Btw, welcome to the Lake…! You do seem to be new in these here parts…!
Why bother with electoral politics.
We need direct action and probably take a much more radical approach. The D&R are part of the same corporate driven agenda – effectively little difference except on “family values” issues.
The people who seem to care about politics should DEMAND term limits and pledges from candidates not to take anything but public finance for elections, no for-profit interests lobbying or support 3rd party candidates.
We need some national strikes.
Come on, I bet I have! Mose is bad. “Your mind is on vacation and your mouth is workin overtime” is a classic but nothing is better than
Speaking of poetry, I read Going Rouge a couple of days ago, and there is an entire chapter that rewrites Palin’s disjointed language as modern free form poetry. I finally understand what she is saying as much as I understand modern free form poetry.
Honest to gawd, respect ya, hope you are well and Happy New Yew Year.
Like that.
What’s the point here?
The time is better spent actually doing something to rectify the actions already taken by Obama rather than wishing for behavior modification. To belieive that you are dealing with a basically well intentioned man that has gone astray and needs to be urged back in line is to reveal yourself for a gullible fool.
While away your time entertaining your beliefs, but most other people have already taken the measure of Obama. He is weak and malleable and basically an unprincipled and undependable man who is currently under the sway of big financial interests and in thrall of them. He is Bill Clinton redux.
So although you could conceivably force him to change course, why bother with this person at all. You are setting yourself up for a bitter disappointment. Better to forge ahead and insist that Obama and Congress accede to oue wishes knowing full well what sort of people we are dealing with.
What a day for a daydream.
I do have a political fantasy for this year. I like to imagine a Progressive Surge which will dominate the mid-term elections and change the dynamic in Congress. I envision a collaboration of necessity, involving major Democrats who perceive the danger of the Obama-Rahm corporatist agenda and are prepared to push back, people like Howard Dean, Al Gore, and Progressive Congress-people currently in office, joining with NetRoots (FDL, DKos, HuffPo, C&L, et al.) and the great mass of the Disappointed. The Progressive Surge would consist of organizing election campaigns for Progressive candidates to oppose all Blue Dogs, conserva-dems, DINOs, and others who pursue a conservative, non-progressive, corporatist agenda in Congress.
Nothing personal, just business. No need for character assassinations, vilifications, etc. They are going the wrong way, it’s as simple as that. They have to be replaced with people who work for the People, not the Fat-Cats. We can’t support half-hearted, duplicitous, corporate-owned politicians in Congress, because we need every vote when it counts. It’s not enough for them to wear the Democrat label if they vote with our opponents and deliberately scuttle important progressive goals.
The Blue Dogs have GOT TO GO! We need to wrest control of the Democratic party from Obama-Rahm & their Dogs so that our party can once again represent organized labor, working people, taxpayers, regular Americans, instead of the Billionaires’ Club. We can’t just stay at home on election day and let the Republicans make a resurgence based on the disappointment and apathy of the left. Instead, we need to engineer the personnel changes which will retain a Democratic majority but ensure that Progressives outnumber Rahm’s Dogs by a substantial margin.
Wishful thinking, I know, but it could happen…
Seconded!
You don’t even need to respect me. Plenty to not like (and to like too I hope).
Happy new year to you too.
excellent!
Mark Shields hit hard at DeMint for his hold on the TSA spot re. union…with the reminder of all the union heroes at 9/11.
I don’t know modern free form poetry but I’m sure many poets are offended at being compared to Sarah Palin:)
Here’s Bonnie sangin it!
Like what you typed for the most part, esp the behavior mod part. However, on this one
I have to say because he’s prez. You can’t ignore that. He’s the most powerful person in the world and you can’t ignore him or dismiss him. You must deal with him one way or another.
Insane sunset at the Rose Bowl!
what if you were to learn that barry had been/may still be an employee of the central intelligence agency?
in a continuous line of presidential spooks beginning with george herbert walker bush.
would that cause you to rethink your hope?
I like it next step create demand for American products it sure would be nice if small factories got contracts and not just the big guys.
Yea.
Woo-Hoo…! *Standing on chair* Clapping…!
What a day dream indeed…! ;-)
Well, somehow we have to REDUCE the role of MONEY in politics. At a grassroots level maybe we can figure out how to elect somebody to the House on a shoestring – the game changer being that no money is not the problem – it is the solution.
Dumb idea – how do we do it?
I’m out ya’ll. End of the Rose and beggining of the Suger…
Happy New Year.
on edit; thanks TCU (whom I’ve also met)
Is Fox Broadcasting it on Time Warner cable? I just woke up.
No ABC
But they have not shut down Fox yet.
ROFLMAO. My ignorance & prejudice much on display. But really, you’ve got to read it for yourself. Here’s the “search” function, and if you type 145 in the box on the left, you’ll get the beginning of the poetry section, so you can judge. (Might have to do a couple of 145s before you get to the poetry section.
We could start by going back to manufacturing our own clothes and shoes. When was the last time anybody handed down a garment made in China?
Another poet maybe we could get a poerty thread one day and everyone throws in a poem? We would need some notice ahead of time picking the right poem even if the thread allows anything off topic but oked by the Mods picking a poem to share with the public is not a spur of the moment thing.
It’s on ABC. OSU just scored, maybe they won’t blow their bowl game this year (hoping).
Thanks I’ll check the news later to see if Fox is still arguing for more cash or if they gave in already. Damm I was hoping Fox would get stuck paying the colleges even though they did not broadcasting their games.
I like it:)
It’s not settled, they just extended the negotiations for a bit.
fingers and toes crossed the ducks win but i dont think they will
When was the last time anyone in this country handed down any child’s garment? Isn’t there a law against that?
(Actually one of my great nephews lived almost entirely on hand-me-downs, as his mother, my niece, is one of the nicest and frugal people I know, but that’s the exception that proves the rule.)
“What ever his shortcomings he is what we are forced to work with now.”
A) Obama refuses to work with us as WE are not LIEberman.
B) I am more inclined to work for America/against Obama.
Corporate life is not in and of itself bad. I spent 20 plus years in it. Success in the corporate world is never about hard work. It is about smart work. Working with Obama is HARD WORK. Working against Obama is smart work. If you are man enough to oppose BO, then your voice is heard and eventually he caves.
Being Right Guard to BO is a good thing.
Yes, my sentiments exactly.
Pleading with people in government to please mend their ways and consider our interests above else is idiocy itself. We should instead take popular measures like strikes and boycotting of providions we find intolerable and defy them. Including meaures like mandating the purchases of insurance, taxing of health benefits or to abide by the whole HCR they will foist on us.
We should demand a single payer system in keeping with popular opinion and accept nothing less. Measures of recalling elected officials for defiance of the popular will should be passed through electoral ballot initiatives in every state begining this election cycle.
Public Financed Elections…! We passed it here in Hawaii County, but, the State Legislature is not financing it… Claiming ‘tough economic times’…!
PERP WALKS ON WALL STREET is my wish.
Hey, Suz. Oregon’s a good team, it’s just that Ohio State has really been a disappointment for the last few post-seasons – just want to see them do good for a change.
If wishes were ponies, that wish alone would fill many barns.
I don’t have a next step. I do have a reason to believe. An old friend of my father’s called him to say Happy New Year. A blast from the past. The last time they’d talked he was Minuteman border patrol,CA. Dad was protesting the war and the growing police state. Awkward. They never talked politics again.
These guys worked in the defense industry and Rand together for years. With high classifications.
Today they had a long political discussion about their joint concerns. The Constitution and the global-corporate takeover of the United States Government,and by extension, our military.
This is the next step. Talking to each other as American citizens.
I wanted Dad to ask him what he knew about the secret detention centers ICE is operating. Oh well,baby steps !!*g*
Are you a typical lefty going for the underdog?
Thanks. I’ve actually been lurking about since Scooter Libby was the talk of the town, but I changed my user name when my ISP changed. I never commented much though, since I didn’t have alot to offer the discussions. Then came Eshoo…
You’ll probably see me around when the Pharma-shill bat signal flashes in the sky (Hi Larue!).
one things for sure — one of us is gonna be happy and the other disappointed
there are some reasons to be optimistic; only a few, but still thats better than nothing.
Check the President’s executive orders since taking office:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2009-obama.html
There are some good things in there. Not hamstrung by the republican filibusters, Obama is using EO’s to good effect, and not just drawing the fangs from some of Bush’s worst ideas.
Usually do go for the underdog, how did you know? but no, I grew up in Ohio, and as the school I went to didn’t have a football team, I always rooted for OSU.
I think a lot of these awkward conversations are starting up, owing to disappointed hopes.
I haven’t had an earth shattering one, but did have a good one with a niece’s husband on Xmas. He’s a hortatory progessive. It’s very clear to him what should be done. Finally, after years of my exhorting him to look at reality, he is starting to realize that the shoulds are not good enough and, no matter how obvious, are not going to happen. His U.S. rep is Slaughter, who boldly came out against the senate HCR bill about a week ago, in favor of a more progressive process, so I urged him in no uncertain terms to spread some luv to Slaughter, including making a donation, even if only $10. As you say, a small start.
I still root for the Indians and Browns, too. So, yeah, I guess rooting for the underdog is in the blood.
wow, are you sure we’re not a Monarchy yet?
“I’ll start: Has anyone mentioned that as of December 14 we now have access to 27 new embryonic stem cell lines and funding to study them?”
I will help you out a bit….Has anyone thought that the treatments coming from the 27 new embryonic stem cell lines are going to be monopolized by a corporation who will have every reason to raise prices to a level which prevent the common man from accessing?
It is just another gift to Big Pharma.
uh, yes. I realize that. I also realize that the return to “what should have been” is still a change for the better compared to the denialist status quo.
Focusing on the negative to the exclusion of the positive is pathological.
I’m pessimistic about that. But I’m optimistic that Jane is less pessimistic than she ought to be. Unless of course she ought to be more optimistic than I ought not to be.
I believe in covering all bases. No one can ever accuse me of being wrong because no one can ever really be sure of what I think is right.
Go ahead, try it yourself.
The “underdog” syndrome is one of the most predictable characteristics of lefties. So from your comment, I took a wild guess. I suffer from underdogitis myself, bigtime. Back in my youth, in Buffalo, I was rabidly in favor of the Brooklyn Dodgers vs. the NY Yankees. WTF difference did that contest make to my preteen years? Now, no longer sports teams, but all the other underdogs that need our support.
Marcy Winograd vs Jane Harman. Marcy is really worth supporting !
http://www.winograd4congress.com/
happy new year, eCahn!
there really is a difference in the workings of government when the Democratic Party culture has control of the engine room:
http://www.nlrb.gov/research/decisions/board_decisions/index.aspx
sample some of the decisions and you get another small reason for optimism.
uh, OK,
I’d luv to resemble what you said, if I could figure out what it was. *g*
one more college game with this Tebow twit!
“…..Obama needs to be embarrassed badly and scared shitless to force him to get serious about living up to the promise of his campaign.”
Say it again, louder. As long as obama’s present strategy of symbolic incrementalism appears to be working it will continue. No one abandons a strategy that works.
I’ll make a donation. I did my year-end guilt ridden donations to some of the too many things that deserve financial support.
I was rather pointing out that it’s counterproductive to be thrilled about being suckered.
They were told to keep negotiating….
She meanders her thoughts and does not connect them or find herself in agreement with what she had just previously said a few sentences before and that is when she does not contradict herself in her own poem.
when she does not contradict herself in her own poem. I think most poets have a theme and yes some might suddenly change themes mid poem but to contradict what you just said kind of negates your previous points.
I think Sarah has created her own new form of poetry. I can’t say I like this new Post Modern (is that the right term) stuff though.
No rhyme scheme every idea is short and may or may not connect with the next idea its like a DJ mixing songs only its a new DJ and sometimes the mixes don’t work.
Was Sarah part of a dance club scene in college taking drugs that effect short term memory plus some speed to rush her thoughts?
Hey, hey
Yes there is an inconsitency there, I only meant to say that we shouldn’t be deceived into thinking that he is something different than what he has shown himself to be.
We shouldn’t think that he actually places the popular interests above the private interests because he doesn’t. We should not be waiting around for him to just come to his senses and act any differently than he already has.
No one forced his hand and told him to exempt Phrma from competitive prices or to keep silent while the HCR debacle was unfolding to his liking. It is a strange behavior for the most powerful man on earth to not lift a finger to promote the popular well being.
It is in that sense that I meant this man is just worth placing one’s faith in. We already know the sort of person Obama is and he is not trustworthy.
My brother, if you lived here you’d feel exactly the same!
also there is a lot of thinking going on in Congress among the majority about ways to improve processes… From that ever-reliable bellweather of Congressional intentions, the CRS:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R40895.pdf
this gives optimism as well….
I could go on, but probes of agency decisions, executive orders, congressional research requests,etc. show a huge change from the Bush Washington is going on, and we are only one year into this administration.
Well, from observation over a number of years, underdogs can often overcome numerical superiority and even superiority of talent of the opposition, with heart, perseverance, and intelligence. That doesn’t go for just sports, it applies to social movments as well.
LOL
Gee, sounds like the Rumsfeld approach to knowns and unknowns. That one worked great, don’t you think?/s
Thanks for that thoughtful response to my inchoate feelings about displaying Palin’s ravings as poetry. Her short, disconnected sentences, remind me of what we used to write as “poetry” in high school in the early 1960s. I think ours might have made sense. Sarah’s not so much.
But you must admit that Sarah’s rantings made more sense as “poetry” than as simple declarative sentences.
Deal between Fox and Time Warner details secret Time Warner stock should take a hit either they eat the loss in profit especially after all the other channels want more money too on their deals.
Or Time Warner raises Cable rates in a recession thereby losing customers. Fox stock should go up if it doesn’t then people think Fox has more problems than the media is reporting.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/nfl-idol-time-warner-cable-fox-reach-deal/story?id=9460090
Little girl poems are at least focused on a topic and in agreement with the theme throughout.
Yes
Hope you appreciate the edit suggestion. Powerful people rarely care for the serfs. The genious of O’s career was how he convinced people that he actually did care.
well there you have it, Tebow probably had a word with jesus about the whole deal
Who is more dangerous, someone who is principled and shares your political convictions, but is too weak to effectively bring them to fruition—or someone who does not share your political convictions but is strong enough to bring the nation around to embracing them?
Would that Hitler have been principled and weak or unprincipled and strong?
I think Obama may have little in the way of moral convictions [principles], but that does not necessarily mean we would be better off if he did. Nazis, Communists, Evangelical Christians and Islamic jihadists pride themselves on their principles, right?
I would prefer a president who is a pragmatist. But a pragmatist for Main Street not for Wall Street.
edit: whups, nevermind I think my link might be verboten…
;)
I wrote a couple of little girl poems, and yes, they did follow a theme (they weren’t very long so it wasn’t hard to stick to a theme, but Sarah can’t even seem to do that, no matter how short & punchy her points are.)
As for the mock on Sarah as poetry, perhaps late night commedians could do readings. Didn’t that guy from Star Treck glom onto it?
Glenzilla figured out that changing of the guard at the top is a way to convince the other part of the voters of the wisdom of existing policies.
Major improvement on my wish, thanks!
happy new year.
Short term memory loss pot?, speed to make her thoughts hurried ADD maybe but I’ve never seen anyone talk even close to as weird as her unless they were high tripping right there and then.
ET thinks she’s crazy lots of theories the record player is playing the song to fast and skipping, sometimes its skipping to entirely different records.
I don’t if it rains or freezes
Long as I got my plastic Jesus
Ridin’ on the dashboard of my car.
It’s important not to be demoralized into non-action, but to think that Rham or Obama is going to roll over and have an “ah ha” moment is setting us up for more disappointment, and therefore more demoralization.
This is synonymous to having our heart broken, and figuring out how to get over it, get on with things.
Only we can change things. Wishing Obama to issue a “small followup jobs bill” is truly noble, and a wonderful Idea. Instead there was a worthless jobs summit. Wishing for handouts from Obama is not pro-active. It is submission of our personal power.
Only Obama can change. We can’t change him, we can’t make him care about the little people. We have to accept him as he is, (an ambitious social climber) .. Wishful thinking isn’t constructive. if only he would _________, or let’s adjust our expectations downward….
We are all in different stages of coming to terms with the realization that O isn’t who we thought he is.
The seven stages of death/dying or loss according to Elizabeth Kübler-Ross
They aren’t necessarily experienced in a linear fashion, and we may vacillate back and forth for a while. slight rewite/paraphrased from wiki:
All things considered, my wish for greater class unity, and for the falling out among the thieves as they become exposed. To figure out how to open another front, rather that holding up Jane’s coat tails.
I am an ironist. An ironist explores the limitations of langauage in articulating the relationship between, say, right and wrong, good and bad, true and false.
Sorry, I majored in philosophy at college. A big Richard Rorty enthusiast.
a drag queen props or not is still a guy.
he’s just all right with me
neber mind
Yes and actually he did a great job gave it kind of a Beat poet feel
I’d go with learning disabled. My son has mild learning disabilities and it’s made me hypersensitive to the possibility in others. As for Palin, something like dismouthtia, i.e., the things that came out of her mouth often made no sense. But she has such an enthusiastic presentation, that few notice.
One further realization about Obama that we need to be perfectly clear about is his arrogant conviction that he can convince people of anything by his sheer double speak and much over touted intellect. He believes he is before a group of freshmen who cling on his every word as he lectures them in class.
Notice his assertion that relentless war is a necessity if peace is to ever flourish. Or that the US was granted entry into Afghanistan by the UN. Or that the US is acting on behalf of the entire world as its protectorate in weeding out self denominated terrorists in every corner of the globe.
This new undeclared hostile action in Yemen with an ever mounting number of innocent lives lost is a reflection of the misguidedness of this man who is weak and malleable and insecure. Who in spite of his professed misgivings carries out the wishes of hawks bent on pouring gas on the already combustible hatred of the US in the middle east.
PERP WALKS ON WALL STREET….
If wishes were ponies that’d be a mustang roundup and culling of the herd!!
I don’t understand your point. Are you dissing Glenn Greenwald for suggesting that O is pimping for W under terms more acceptable to lefties, or are you dissing W for his original “policies,” which no matter how dressed up are still not the real thing (to avoid insulting drag queens).
Yes, the more things change, the more the Bilderbergers are able to note just how little has changed at all.
Then they plot the next little changes.
5 U.S. wars against Islam under O. Only 3 under W.
Does not exactly inspire confidence in me, – glad you feel optimistic, though.
Executive Order 13501 of February 6, 2009
Establishment of the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board
James W. Owens, head of Caterpillar
Robert Wolf, chairman and CEO of UBS Group Americas
Mark Gallogly,[10][11] founder and managing partner at Centerbridge Partners L.P.[12][13]
Penny Pritzker, chair and founder of Pritzker Realty Group and Classic Residence by Hyatt
John Doerr, partner at Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield & Byers
Monica C. Lozano,[14][15] Director of Bank of America
Charles E. Phillips, Jr., president of Oracle Corporation.
Richard L. Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO
Austan Goolsbee, PERAB Staff Director and Chief Economist
William H. Donaldson, former Securities and Exchange Commission chairman
Laura D’Andrea Tyson, Member
Martin Feldstein, former chief economic advisor to President Ronald Reagan,
Roger W. Ferguson, Jr., Member
David F. Swensen, CIO at Yale University[16]
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And manipulate us little folk.
I actually thought I was agreeing with Glenzilla.
Swopa, thanks for this article.
I’d like Obama’s next big issue become major Wall St reform. Some sort of new Glass-Steagall and so on. He’s said all along he wanted to first stop the bleeding and head-off major collapse, which seems to be happening, and then he’ll start on the major reform.
DKos poll the last two weeks has Obama making some pretty big gains in popularity, and I think if he finally start really taking it to ‘em in a major way, the Dems will be really strong come Nov. Timing is everything.
Of course, doing this would also greatly help America as whole now, and in the future.
68 Chevelle?
Jest clarifying. Can’t know for sure unless you ask. I thought I got yer pint but had to check.
I would add the final stage Duct Tape. Fucking patch it up as best you can and move on.
Although the diarist has written this very well, I believe he makes a major mistake in believing that Rahm-Obama do not realize that they will lose Senate and House positions in 2010. Both Rahm and Obama are smart enough to read polls and realize that the enthusiasm gap that this diary alludes to exists and that it will hurt Democrats in 2010.
So the question really should be: why are Rahm-Obama continuing to pursue these policies WHEN THEY KNOW THEY WILL HURT DEMOCRATS IN 2010. I wrote an entire diary about this: “Is Rahm Intentionally Driving the Democratic Bus Towards the Cliff’s Edge” here at FDL. From that diary:
Another way to put this is bringing them into the light, helping them see the truth… that what they are motivated for, their activism is actually bad for our (the working class) interests. They or We were astroturfed.
Demotivation is expected and temporary, and that is good.
Look in a mirror much?
well, that’s reasonable enough, but try this one for smiles:
http://www.dol.gov/olms/media/press/olmsprss.htm
If you remember, during the Chao years, the OLMS was the prosecutorial arm of the Labor dept and liked nothing better than weekly postings of all their successful labor prosecutions. To see nothing on this page is delightful relief.
Why do so many then feel that Obama is serving out Bush’s third term?
Won’t you lift our spirits with some bracing facts!?
I’m delighted by the good behavior of Labor leaders. As for delighting over Obama, – i’ll wait for the passage of the Employee Free Choice Act.
OT. Sibel Edmonds has a good post up on boilingfrogspost.com about Chicago politics and Rahm’s background.
We have to lift our own spirits. Again,again,again.
So . . . you don’t have any evidnece to present either, right?
So . . . you don’t care that he lied to you about what to expect from him when he became President?
I’m waiting for that too. And I’m none too optimistic based on the current internal division within the party. Sometimes fifty senators are easier handled than 60…
How so? I thought her theories were based on clinical observations.
That same “my protest is over” occurred to me, so I changed my tactic to
** hitting “unsubscribe;
** writing a nasty “why;”
** entering a fake e-mail, so i continue to get e-mail from them and can
** wash, rinse, repeat.
I’d guess those people need to expand their sources of information. For instance, I didn’t notice this covered at all here from a couple of days ago:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/29/obama-moves-to-curb-feder_n_406725
I’ve recently discovered a writer at Daily Kos (hardly ever go there) called “blackwaterdog,” who gives almost daily rundowns of all the great stuff coming out of the Obama Admin. Basically the stuff that’s completely ignored here and many other places. Might be a good place to start.
Plus, didn’t I present a fact that Obama numbers are improving after the Senate healthcare vote? A lot of great things happening in my opinion, considering the incredibly corrupt cesspool DeeCee has become over the last 200 years or so, and that this isn’t a dictatorship.
a last bit of new year optimism. EFCA and other tidbits from the Lilly Ledbetter FPA to OSHA:
http://edlabor.house.gov/labor/worker-rights/
After a year of telling the base to, essentially, go fuck themselves, and seeing his approval rating drop to the low 40′s, Obama may decide or realise that the base of the Dems is going to stay home in 2010, so a GOP Congress will be a real possiblity. Obama has to do something truly substantial for the base to get them motivated again, and not some tawdry, token, “symbolic” thing, like removing the Conferderate Flag from a state capitol. It’s that simple.
If he and Rahm want the GOP Congress, they’re going to get it, and they’ll have no one to blame for it but themselves. And if they think the GOP will cooperate, they won’t. They’ll be a 1000 times worse than they ever were under Clinton.
Little means relatively little if enough of us manage to become a little less little than we are now. Then we get to squabble over what it means to be bigger.
But first you have to become big enough for that to matter.
“I would prefer a president who is a pragmatist. But a pragmatist for Main Street not for Wall Street.”
Coming from Chicago and Chicago politics, the elections were always about voting for the crook who would steal for you and yours.
The Daley’s had a monopoly because the took care of their own very well.
Obama has no one. He is neither black nor white, Urban, suburban, or rural nor Democratic or Republican nor religious or atheist nor Chicagoan, Kansan, or Hawaiian. He is not Main Street.
“Obama has no one. He is neither black nor white, Urban, suburban, or rural nor Democratic or Republican nor religious or atheist nor Chicagoan, Kansan, or Hawaiian. He is not Main Street.”
Actually Obama himself has an answer to your question, quote:
“I serve as a blank screen, on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.”
A part of me scoffs at that given Obama’s track record thus far. But another part of me [a lot smaller] kind of hopes it might be true.
It would be nice to know he is just incompetent or a dupe rather than corrupt and cynical.
But let’s face it: none of us in here really knows what his intentions were, are or ever will be.
What we need for that is the smoking gun—something he actually wrote down or emailed to someone that unequivocally exposes his Wall Street agenda.
Is there something like that out there? Something I have missed?
I get the gut feeling that Rahm and Barack don’t really give a shit about the next elections. I keep feeling like this is just a bump on their resume.
Keep coming back to the message Sibel Edmonds is working so hard to make accessible to laymen. It’s a big fucking termite nest we’ve got in our nation’s foundation. Rahm’s training ground.
Love stinks!!!
Classic! Let’s just say I have a very personal connection to what it means to be “mixed race,” and that’s such a perfect example of how in many ways being clearly and recently “mixed” (we’re all mixed…it’s just about where you draw the line back in history) could be the most difficult. You get it from all angles.
I think Obama’s amazing ability to connect with so many different people was certainly helped by growing up in this dynamic.
Fortunately, the world is “mixing” more than ever now, so that mentality is rapidly going away, and the insulting sentiments you expressed will happen less and less over time.
Strange to say that too, considering this guy who “has no one” became America’s first melanin-enhanced President, in a landslide I might add with the Mega Media and much of the DemocratIC Party elite trying to stop him, when almost no one thought it was possible. Perhaps he knows some things you don’t?
but for the melanin-enhancement…:)
I care about that. But that is because I assumed his pragmatism would be far more inclusive of Main Street. Now I am convinced he had no real intention at all of broadening democracy in America. I believe now he is a Bilderberger through and through. He is a “realist” for the rich and the powerful.
My point instead revolved around Nietzsche’s suggestion that the greater enemy of truth is convictions, not lies. Convictions are the stuff of religionists and ideologues. The stuff of Kant: “categorical imperatives”, “deonotology”.
I am a pragmatist myself.
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin
I love your name.
Have you ever heard the Frank Zappa song Goblin Girl?
Bravo! Well stated.
Actually Obama himself has an answer to your question, quote:
“I serve as a blank screen, on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.”
Time to pull the plug or better yet change the channel to something real.
True enough.
But part of being a pragmatist means being a realist. In a lot of important ways the interests of Wall Street were sustained throughout both the New Deal and the Great Society. That will never, ever go away. But the role of government back then was more activist. Efforts were made to be far more inclusive when democracy was spread around.
I was hoping Obama might be willing to go back to the future to find solutions. I’m a lot less hopeful now.
“and the insulting sentiments you expressed will happen less and less over time.”
What exactly do you find insulting?
My statement is descriptive in a political context of a politician who ruled successfully until death and whose son could have done the same. For one reason. They had a segment of the electorate which they took care of. Please identify a sub-grouping you think Obama has taken care of – group he calls his own. His behavior shows us it is Wall Street. I certainly understand what “mixed” is like. However, I know what it is like to have people I call my own.
Obama has told EVERY ONE except dear old Wall Street to hold on and wait…your time is gonna come…in the mean time do it your own damn self.
OOOhhh, I have another Reason to Believe. The Yes Men and coordinating activist people totally punked the Canadian Government Environment stance on global warming. theyesmen.org.
These guys and their cohorts are another Reason to Believe. I worked very hard to get them to come to our Glenn Beck-Keys-to-the-City county of Washington in April. Their schedule was open. A main venue[for $250} was open at Skagit Community College, home of the Beck Event. The concert hall was open at $1050, too much but seats 600. The local independent/historic theatre was open and enthusiastic.
The Yes Men’s booking agent and I even came to an agreement that they would do 2 bookings at 2 colleges for the price of 1, because they were 40 miles away. With travel,housing,meals as part of the overhead.
Fuck!!! So close but so far away. I found half the money. Without being a Corporate Whore. Couldn’t do the other half without going whoring.
As the directors of the theatres said,”Welcome to our world.”. Everyone was pumped for it to happen.
C’est la vie. Check out the Yes Men. They rock!
We’ve really got to free ourselves of the illusion that Obama hasn’t been in charge of all this.
Extracted from the original link in your post:
“ordered the federal government to rethink how it protects the nation’s secrets, in a move that was expected to declassify more than 400 million pages of Cold War-era documents and curb the number of government records hidden from the public.”
I am no longer concerned about the cold war. I am concerned about Bush2 war, torture, Gitmo, and now Rahmbo and Dumbo.
When the lid is lifted on the coffin of our nation’s moral character, I get all excited and get a warm feeling that does not seem like Obama is a dog and I am a fire hydrant.
Can someone loan me an umbrella?
I would like people in this country to do something meaningful to regain some form of good government. A strike or two would be nice. No, I don’t mean baseball. Happy New Year.
“sub-group”? “my own”?
You’re asking me to do exactly what I find offensive. You’re going the wrong way. Instead of looking to divide people up into more and more neat little labels, I’d suggest going just the opposite direction. At the risk of being called a hippie idealist or some other label, why can’t can’t we be part of one race – the human race? Seriously.
Why are you so concerned about people identifying with one particular “sub-group” or another?
To each “their own” I guess…
“blackwaterdog”… He quit dk because he just couldn’t take all the criticism of the president. Then he came back. The dude is either a WH operative or entirely lacks critical thinking skills.
He personifies the term obamabot perfectly. His fawning praise is quite sickening, really.
Oh, I’ve never felt that. In fact, that’s a main reason why I cut Obama slack on a whole host of issues.
You focus on one aspect of the article? What about all the other postive developments listed in that article? Means nothing to you?
Certainly doesn’t play into the Obama=Bush theme though…
Yep, those most be the only two options.
I’ve spent hours here over a couple year span now providing all kinds of “evidence” why I think Obama’s the most transformative President we’ve had certainly in my lifetime, and I think he’s just getting warmed up.
But yes, I’m quite used to now being called an Obamatron no matter how detailed and thought-out I make my arguments. I only wish those calling me and any other Obamabot those names would spend even half the time and effort we do in supporting our opinions, in supporting their own conclusions.
Oh well, name-call away!
Obama was taken under the wing of the Daley machine.
Just follow the links to the different profiles when reading.
http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/John_D._Podesta
http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/David_Plouffe
http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/David_Axelrod
http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Rahm_Emanuel
http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Barack_Obama
Go check out Penny Priztker and who’s on his economic advisory board.
Don’t forget your gloves and boots.
oh Please.. the big players put him in office. He didn’t get shut out of any debates like Kucinich or Ron Paul did. With the media connections had, and the hard bargains Rham drove got him very good television deals.
Hey, it’s really great that Obama has decided to stop throwing people requesting amnesty straight into ICE detention centers doesn’t undo the fact that torture continues under him, His administration has considered transferring GITMO prisoners to Bagram which isn’t subject to IRC oversight. He’s shielding the creators of this policy. He’s not undoing the policies of bush. He’s institutionalizing them.
A few crumbs to the peons does not a good president make.
Blackwaterdog, the person YOU held up as an example, and by his own admission he made the choice to leave DK because he couldn’t take the criticism of the President.
After looking at some of his posts on OFA, I’d say the question is not between them but both of them.
If you are so sure of the total innate goodness of Obama, why don’t you spend some time reading emptywheel’s posts about what is happening at the DOJ or some Glen Greeenwald, Matt Taibbi, or Jeremy Schahil at rebel reports. Open your mind, Test your faith.
Right on!! Watch your ass. He has escalated the destruction of our civil liberties. In the end, that’s all we’ve got. CIVIL LIBERTIES. It’s not a “team” sport. We’re all in this together.
Peace
again with the half empty glass. Ever hear of cognitive therapy?
nobody said be thrilled. What I’m suggesting is to tone down the overpowering negativity and see tha tthere is some good going on. To fail in that is to succumb. We made it through eight horrific years, why is it necessary to fall apart now?
I thought of a good wish. I wish the people of the state of Washington could come up with a solid Socialist Democrat candidate to run against our Blue Dog Representative Mr. Invisible Rick Larsen.
I have time. I would work that one!!
please note that in my first post I do not suggest that FDL stop saying things that might be demotivating, rather that FDL ought to take care not to paint the picture as a total and unmitageted disaster, since that can and will lead people to believe that the situation is beyond salvation. Lower voter turnout rarely wins elections for incumbents.
Hey, you were pushing for anna shoo’s biologics, I guess you’ve got a good reason for the serfs to get on board huh?
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/15/biotech-industry-needs-42-representatives-to-try-to-refute-jane-hamsher/
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/19160
There comes a moment in history when low voter turnout is not the greatest problem.
Name the good. It’s so thin it’s the only thing about this game-playing WH that’s actually transparent.
This idea is worth a diary, RevBev. A concrete issue that is good policy; and really inconvenient for Critters and the Prez to go on record against.
I think there is definitely room to pressure Obama and Congress on specific progressive issues. Will it redeem Democratic incumbents? I think the comments show there’s a range of opinion — everyone has their own tipping point where a Critter is acceptable or not.
I don’t think we should settle for incumbents. I’d like to see every incumbent Democrat in Congress face a primary challenge from the left. Yes, even Bernie Sanders. For that matter, why not a primary challenge from the left for every Republican, too?
No representative, senator or president should ever feel safe from a challenge on the left. They’ve all had sinecures for too long, and we’ve been shown that it’s simply not good enough to have any old Democrats instead of Republicans in the White House and Congress.
A primary challenge in a lot, if not all, districts is a natural next step for Dr. Dean’s 50-state strategy. The Party would fight it instead of helping it, though. Is it possible to drum up a bunch of viable candidates, and get support via FDL and other progressive sites, and raise funds on ActBlue?
Believing Obama is like taking the word of your local streetwalker over that of her pimp, corporations.
So, when you drive your car into a ditch —having brazenly ignored your passengers’ warnings about your risky driving— you chastise the passengers who comment on the results of your bad driving as contributing to a “demotivation”? Instead, you recommend that for every critical remark they make about your faults they also add at least one positive thing about you?
Isn’t that simply calling on people to indulge in empty “happy talk” —and merely to suit your whims, to boot? Sheesh!
Isn’t Barack Obama as president an agent of the American people? And isn’t it his job to meet their expectations?— which, I remind you, he raised irresponisibly to wildly unrealistic levels because that served his electoral interests of the moment.
You remind me of some coach who, in the face of a dismal record of losses, blames the fans for a lack of enthusiasm.
In a comment I recall by David Axelrod, one which I can’t locate and reference at this writing, Axelrod said words to the effect that this wasn’t the time for the Obama administration to be worrying about a disappointed base, that there’d be plenry of time later to go back and patch those little holes up.
There’s an indication of the sort of esteem in which the Obama administration’s top members hold the average disappointed supporter.
I have a new insight into Obama’s demonstrated aversion for holding people—such as the crimminally derelict former administration’s members—to genuine account. Apparently, he doesn’t “do” holding people, himself or others, to account.
I have little faith in any innate progressivism in President Obama. That said, when a president is elected a whole political culture sweeps in to town and there are many hundreds of progressive people at the mid-management level and up in the government now doing their little bits to steer the ship in a more liberal direction. Look at the Office of Legal Counsel as an example.
http://www.justice.gov/olc/2009/memo-barron2009.pdf
http://www.justice.gov/olc/2009/withdrawalofficelegalcounsel.pdf
they have repudiated all the Bush era OLC opinions that were so destructive.
another small cause for optimism…
Huh? Kucinich, Paul, Mike Gravel, and so on were in many debates. The biggest of the BigMoney within the DemocratIC Party was VERY active in trying to stop Obama, since they had spent years gearing up for their “inevitable” candidate Hillary Clinton. A lot of the DLC/Clinton-types worked against Obama even after he got the nomination, and continue to undermine Obama to this day in hopes of getting their desired Clinton II.
Of course the Repubs and MegaMedia did everything they could to stop him too (Rev Wright, Bill Ayers, while ignoring all extreme and real scandals of McInsane and Paylin), so not sure how you can conclude that “big players” put him in office.
Hell, even here at FDL there were all sorts of Tony Rezko “investigations,” some dude getting frontpage space posting these long drawn out articles with polls supposedly showing how there was no way America was ready for a President with that level of melanin in his skin, so we’d better give Hillary the nom. Obama won in a landslide.
Obama completely shattered every record for small donations (and large for that matter), and just the sheer number of people that voted for him broke records. The “evidence” suggests these are the people who made him President. You can keep devising your own storylines, but those are some simple facts.
I used to read those writers regularly, and still do when they are discussing certain topics, but when they wade into issues of governing and politics in general, they’ve proven to me to be completely lacking. So I’ve drifted away over time. I used to think very highly of them, and now have done my own critical-thinking and have found some other information sources, so it seems I don’t have a problem with mindless hero worship. So for you, since you’re so independent in your thoughts unlike myself, can those writers ever be wrong? If so, when?
Here’s someone that’s run campaigns and been an Organizer for years on all sorts of issues (as have I), and a true radical in every sense. Maybe you can broaden your own mind here:
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/3698/health-care-numbers-what%E2%80%99s-it-you
I’ve read maybe 3 posts from blackwaterdog, and they were simply rundowns of things the Obama Admin did each/week, and then official photos from the White House. Since you never see this stuff around many Liberal blogs and certainly not in the MegaMedia, as you did with Bush the Lesser, I’ve liked seeing that stuff. Again, it’s just simple facts. Odd how you and so many other “Liberals” find those so unappealing.
To me, all this debate, which has been wasting so much time and energy in my opinion, is just about balance. You know…yin-yang. Positive and negative. It’s ancient. It’s healthy.
Isn’t it funny, and yet sadly very predictable, that a simple post here by Swopa asking for constructive, forward-looking suggestions, gets very few and turns into an Obama bashing session for the most part, with people saying the EXACT same things that are said here 500 times per day, every week, month, and I’d say now year.
Interesting, that.
Very clever of you to note what I myself pointed out in my own post @129 above. That you use it to attack me? Not so clever, as the cited threads have already established exactly how welcoming you and others here are to contrasting opinions.
In fact, I am pushing for safe biologics,including bio-similar drugs. IMO, in the context of current patent laws, Anna Eshoo and Howard Dean happen to be right on this one. But that’s perhaps for another thread, no?
As to serfs, I’m guessing from your apparently slavish dedication to lefty truthiness that you can comment more insightfully on effective crowd control.
Peej
in reply to Bonkers @244.
Well, in four or more posts I have been trying to actually follow the thread topic and suggest reasons to have some optimism.
I am not interested in bashing Obama. He is what he is, and definitely not a Eugene Debs, a Dennis Kucinich, or other such figures past and present.
I am interested in government, I am a government infrastructure wonk, and I knew that when Obama won last year, positive change was on its way, even if it didn’t originate in the WH.
If I fault President Obama for anything it is for his poor staffing at the WH. They are simply months behind on appointments and the result is that we have a bureaucracy that is riddled with republican leftovers that are gumming up the works. I guess the economic crisis gives some justification for the tardiness.
The healthcare reform was about the best that could be pushed through at this time with the exception of the lack of cost controls and the mandate. Those are truely each and individually, deal-breakers.
the thread’s title is
“Looking for reasons to believe in 2010″
which I take as an invitation to comment upon the question of what, if any , are the “reasons to believe” ( in some unspecified meaning) in the course of the year, 2010, and not merely an invitation to those who assume as a starting point that there are necessarily any such reasons.
Finding them lacking, it seems to me entirely germane to move to the matter of why, in my opinion, that is or may be.
One might also observe that the suggestions (coming from those who are apparently still quite enamoured of the president and addressed to Obama’s critics here ) to change to some other less critical or uncritical approach to his part in “reasons to believe” or the lack of them is no less “funny and yet sadly very predictable.”
PS: this is a political blog. Barack Obama is the president of the U.S. at this writing. And the word “believe” in the thread title can reasonably be supposed to be an allusion to the well-known slogan, used throughout Obama’s election campaign, “Change You Can Believe In”. Obama’s efforts turn on defining things as best suit his needs; others who find that his definitions of “making good progress” leave them with short shrift have every right and reason to dispute those definitions, it seems to me.
by the way,
the phrase, “Obama bashing” amounts to a form of begging the question (see: “petitio principii” ) as it contains the (unsupported) assumption that “Obama-bashing” (hardly a neutral term, that, is it?!) is (a) a fair description of what is going on and a description which is necessarily not subject to question, and (b) therefore “wrong” in and of itself (malum in se).
There we have, then, if anything, some sound reason to impeach your good faith —as the tactics you’ve just employed are classic examples of bad faith argumentation.
Thanks for that. I did notice what you were doing and was sort of commiserating with you about what happens basically constantly here.
I like your description of the situation with Obama. I have some problems with what’s happened these last 11 months, Afghanistan being the biggie, but the incredible amount of positive development has kept me hopeful for the future of the Obama Admin. Time will tell all of course, and in the meantime, I hope the conversation becomes more about how to keep people active in the democracy in way the can really make some significant change. It’s not about one person.
Nice detailed deconstruction of the title and of setting your own context, but perhaps you missed this part of the post?
You then claim that there isn’t anything worth being hopeful about, which you simply assume to be true despite the several comments here suggesting otherwise. Are you just ignoring all that evidence, or do you just not know about all the good things that happen on an almost daily basis out of the Obama Admin. Perhaps you need some new sources of information added into your mix?
Strange to have my “good faith” be “impeached” by someone I’ve never noticed here before, considering I’ve been a regular here for years and have a decent reputation, and don’t always go along with the prevailing opinions, yet other times do. I started on this defending of Obama BEFORE he was even in office, after noticing this trend developing which I thought was very unfair, especially at that time, and very odd (can speculate as to why this started long before he was even President). All along, I was warning what I felt would be the implications of this Obama bashing. By the way, do you read here much? To take issue with that phrase is almost comical. But this is what happens so often in the limited forum called blogs where people talk past each other on points that are a distraction from main issues, and I’d suggest up to a certain point, becomes a colossal waste of time.
Considering I’m now often seeing “IMPEACH OBAMA!1!” in comments here, and now you’re “impeaching” me for stating simple fact, you should feel right at home here.
Thanks Bonkers. I admire your hope and optimism. :)
Much more hope and optimism can be found on this FDL thread, where both pro and anti President Obama people can join hands and snark the Republicans.
Conservative Wishful Thinking Predictions For 2010
In the signing ceremony for the Health Care Bill, after he signs it, Obama calls on Congress to now pass a robust public option. The House passes it and then Harry Reid pushes it through with reconciliation.
In response to Bonkers @249
“I like your description of the situation with Obama. I have some problems with what’s happened these last 11 months, Afghanistan being the biggie, but the incredible amount of positive development has kept me hopeful for the future of the Obama Admin. Time will tell all of course, and in the meantime, I hope the conversation becomes more about how to keep people active in the democracy in way the can really make some significant change. It’s not about one person.”
Agree. It never is about one person. During the last eight years, I more or less totally ignored Bush…he was just the figurehead on the prow of the Republican ship. Obama is more engaged, but still the government he partially inherits, partially creates through appointments, has a character of its own that represents the current political culture in the democratic party in which progressive elements are in the minority.
We all know that the Republican/Democratic paradigm is getting less and less relevant since the New Deal. Each decade has closed the gap that was so wide in 1933 and 1936. Tax cuts in times of economic downturns used to to be a Democratic patent. High tariffs (which amount to a sub-rosa taxation on the people because of the resulting higher prices) was a perennial Republican theme. And this was as recent as the sixties. The two parties have grown toward each other inexorably over the years.So, in a sense, the government we will see in Obama’s two terms (yes, I believe he will certainly be a two-termer) will be the modern centrist-corporate friendly model so favored by the “adults” in the decision-making positions nowadays. This is not cause for rejoicing for progressives.
There is a lot of reform energy floating about and I think the CARD Act (for an example) points to the direction we are likely to see this Administration take: incremental reforms of the worst abuses in the system and perhaps some surprising reform ideas as well.
“Nice detailed deconstruction of the title and of setting your own context,…”
Well, all disputes contain in one way or another divergent views over what the “proper” “context” is or ought to be. And your objection on that point is merely another (the latest, in this case) confirmation of that fact. You’d like the context to follow your view of things. That’s “normal” and I don’t claim that your trying to designate it is somehow foul play (as you imply about my remark! ;^) .
In courtroom jargon, your “point” there would provoke the reply of “Asked and answered, your honor.” So, must I repeat myself over that? It’s a invitation ( e.g. “Please”) to “suggest your own wishful-thinking-but-kinda-plausible ideas in the comments”, not a royal order, right?
“You then claim that there isn’t anything worth being hopeful about, which you simply assume to be true despite the several comments here suggesting otherwise.”
I did? Where exactly did I do that? I guess you’re alluding to this:
“ I take as an invitation to comment upon the question of what, if any , are the “reasons to believe” ( in some unspecified meaning) in the course of the year, 2010, and not merely an invitation to those who assume as a starting point that there are necessarily any such reasons …”
which is hardly the same thing as claiming that “there isn’t anything worth being hopeful about,”—which, in any case, I didn’t do.
as for,
“Strange to have my “good faith” be “impeached” by someone I’ve never noticed here before, considering I’ve been a regular here for years and have a decent reputation, and don’t always go along with the prevailing opinions, yet other times do.”
Where to start? Here’s another example of the importance of the “context” thing. Where I asserted that you showed evidence of a certain lack of good faith was in a very specific context, namely, that of the tactics and (faulty) logic of argumentation you employed. As I pointed out, what you did (and, what, by the way, nothing in your reply rebuts) was to assume as facts (Obama-bashing) things which had not been yet established as true and then go on to draw a conclusion from that: nameky, that these “Obama-bashers” are in some sense to be faulted–with the clear implication being that they’re being other than fair to President Obama ( a conclusion which depends on first accepting as a given what you presume automatically by labeling their criticisms as “Obama-bashing”.
None of the rest of this,
“I’ve been a regular here for years and have a decent reputation, and don’t always go along with the prevailing opinions, yet other times do. I started on this defending of Obama BEFORE he was even in office, after noticing this trend developing which I thought was very unfair, especially at that time, and very odd (can speculate as to why this started long before he was even President). All along, I was warning what I felt would be the implications of this Obama bashing. By the way, do you read here much? To take issue with that phrase is almost comical. But this is what happens so often in the limited forum called blogs where people talk past each other on points that are a distraction from main issues, and I’d suggest up to a certain point, becomes a colossal waste of time.”
is founded in any worthy rebutal of my criticisms. It is all in one form or another either simply irrelvant to the matters at hand or makes an appeal to something or other which has no valid weight in this discussion.
For example,
“ I’ve been a regular here for years and have a decent reputation, amounts to an appeal to authority—yours. But you haven’t done anything to show why your claim to this authority undermines in any way my objections to your assuming facts not established.
Similarly, this, …and don’t always go along with the prevailing opinions, yet other times do. is also beside the point here. I didn’t and don’t claim otherwise, that is, that you “always go along with the prevailing opinions”. So what? It’s beside the point. The rest, down to, “…By the way, do you read here much?…” is faulty for the same reason: none of it is germane to the issue(s).
then, about:
“To take issue with that phrase is almost comical.</em"
"almost comical" or not, the question remains: what entitles your view such a privileged place? —that of defining for us the criticism of President Obama as “Obama-bashing” (apparently) on your mere assertion and nothing else? I grant you that it’s your opinion that what’s being done is “Obama-bashing” but it’s an opinion you assert as if nothing more than stating it is needed in order to establish it as an unquestionable fact.
and, to conclude,
…”But this is what happens so often in the limited forum called blogs where people talk past each other on points that are a distraction from main issues, and I’d suggest up to a certain point, becomes a colossal waste of time.“…
I gather that means (once more) that you’d very much like to see the subject changed to something you find less objectionable (i.e. something other than the “Obama-bashing”).
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…”Considering I’m now often seeing “IMPEACH OBAMA!1!” in comments here, and now you’re “impeaching” me for stating simple fact, you should feel right at home here.
I have yet to call for the impeachment of President Obama. But, unlike you, I don’t pejoratively refer to those who criticize him as “Obama-bashers” either as a supported assumption or an unsupported one.
To do so leaves the merits of the critic’s claims and arguments unaddressed, very much as you have those of my points above.
Well, you’re consistent. I have to give you that.
Swopa,
RE: “Looking for reasons to believe in [during] 2010″,
Last year, before, during and since the innauguration of Barack Obama, I suspect that you believed in yourself, your ideals and the virtues of democratic government and of open and free-ranging political debate.
You still have all those, no matter how much the new president disappoints. Courage!, man.
I believe in reason, in fair-play, in the respect of facts and the truth as facts indicate it and sometimes in the occasional ability of people to eventually recognize their colossal blunders.