I’ve said it before and I will say it again: If you are being foreclosed on, DEMAND in court, that the bank or entity trying to foreclose on your house produce the original “blue ink signature” mortgage documents and promissory note and that they produce each and every piece of paper showing the various transfers of those documents from the original lender to the entity trying to take your house away.
The possibility that the entity foreclosing on you does not have the legal right to do so IS VERY REAL. Do not just lay down and play dead. I’ve already told you that many mortgage deeds were split from the debt (the promissory note) and that may, in some states, cancel the ability to take the house. I’ve also told you that some, maybe many, mortgage documents got lost in the vortex that is MERS. Now, it seems that even without MERS, some mortgages just got lost.
Starting in late 2007, Deutsche Bank invested $1.2 billion in a mortgage financing vehicle known as Ocala Funding; alongside it was BNP Paribas, a French bank that put $481 million into the same vehicle.
Ocala issued short-term notes and from the proceeds, bought mortgages that it could promptly sell to Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored enterprise. Bank of America was trustee, collateral agent, custodian and depository agent to Ocala — its back office, in essence.
–snip—
But there were a couple of problems with the set-up: the company writing the mortgages funneling through Ocala was Taylor Bean & Whitaker, a lender that filed for bankruptcy last August. And to make its loans, Taylor Bean used money from Colonial Bank, a Montgomery, Ala., institution that also went belly-up. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation took over Colonial in August.
Sorting through the wreckage of those related failures has generated more questions than answers so far. Taylor Bean was shut down by the Federal Housing Administration, citing possible mortgage fraud. According to people briefed by those winding down Taylor Bean’s operations, who requested anonymity in order to preserve professional relationships, there are signs that the company sold some of its loans to more than one buyer. Lawyers representing Taylor Bean did not return phone calls seeking comment.
In any event, Ocala says mortgages worth more than half a billion dollars are missing. And the F.D.I.C. is withholding the release of mortgages worth hundreds of billions held at Colonial that Ocala investors say are theirs. The government contends that it is not clear that Bank of America — as a representative for Ocala — paid for them.
Yep, Ocala THINKS it owns a bunch of mortgages, it’s got the names of people and the address of the house, and the block and lot number and everything. What is apparently doesn’t have—is any right to foreclose on those houses. Good news, perhaps, for those people whose houses are in that deal. It will be years before that case is sorted out, and until then, nobody will know who actually owns the mortgage or the right to foreclose. So, if your mortgage is in that pool, you might have a roof over your head and some breathing room to maybe get your finances in order as the economy improves.
But only if you stand up for yourself in the foreclosure proceeding. And what if your mortgage doesn’t happen to be in that rather large pool?
People familiar with the mortgage machine’s innards say problems were industrywide. [emphasis added]
“If you look at the way these structures were built up, there were supposed to be safeguards at every step to make sure all these things were done properly,” said O. Max Gardner III, a lawyer in Shelby, N.C., who represents financially troubled consumers. “When you see so many problems across the country with the total inability to produce the documents, then it really makes you wonder: did they really do this?”
So, everybody, in every mortgage pool ought to be putting the foreclosing entities to the test. Make ‘em put up or shut up. You never know what you might find.
Disclaimer: Nothing in this post should be construed as giving legal advice. Everyone’s facts and circumstances are different, each case turns on its own unique facts, and laws vary from state to state. Consult with a qualified attorney familiar with the foreclosure law in your state.
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Shorter Banksters: “Trust me Judge! Would I lie?”
Uhmmm…yes.
Thanks Cynthia – I wonder when people will begin to investigate whether they can keep their homes under these circumstances.
This is what Marcy Kaptur means when she tells people to demand that their foreclosing institution “Produce the Note,” right?
Will these people whose mortgages are in limbo be able to sell their homes, though? Won’t they have a difficult time getting a clean title if the bank refuses to clear the lien? Not everybody’s biggest problem, in this market, but I wonder if folks who intend to sell soon should use this argument…. (usual caveats, and also IANAL).
When the bank I worked at as a back office clerk purchased assets from a different lender I was surprised that there were no original loan docs in the files. I was advised not to worry about it. Both of those ‘institutions’ are now on the watch list.
There have been numerous articles about the Mortgage Electronic Registration System (MERS) and problems with it wrt foreclosure.
How do these problems affect a simple purchase or sale of R.E. and/or the title search? Does anyone have links to any articles about this? Thanks.
“a couple of problems with the set-up”
“set-up” I think is the key term here. It was a set-up from the start to screw the homebuyer and any other entity in the food chain that could be screwed.
Thanks for pointing this out to people most do not know about this and during this period of time paper just flew around and never was legally tranfered. If this happening to you please ask the Federal Judge to check this and they already know about this. You can check this yourself by checking records in the county and state you own your home, most of this is on line. The tranfer is on the back of the deed.
There my be free services in your area that can do this for you and the below is sound advice.
Disclaimer: Nothing in this post should be construed as giving legal advice. Everyone’s facts and circumstances are different, each case turns on its own unique facts, and laws vary from state to state. Consult with a qualified attorney familiar with the foreclosure law in your state
During the housing boom, “lenders” passed around mortgages as if they were whiskey bottles at a frat party. Appraisals were overinflated, notes were lost, destroyed, shredded, sold into multiple pools. Mortgages were not recorded and exorbitant fees were collected by the big firms on Wall Street.
Now that the bubble has burst, these “lenders” are trying to collect on loans they do not own, in most cases never lent a dime on the transaction, have no right to, or were paid 30 times over in bailouts, insurance, credit default swaps, etc.
In almost EVERY case these “pretender lenders” do not and did not have any “skin in the game”. Almost all loans during the boom were securitized and it was investors that put up the money, not the banks.
Now these “pretender lenders”, the “servicers”, along with MERS, Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, are unrightfully taking peoples homes by filing fraudulent mortgage assignments to process foreclosures.
Do the research. See for yourself…
It is all in the public records…
http://4closurefraud.wordpress.com/
4closureFraud
I love the way they called these Rube Goldberg contraptions “mortgage finance vehicles.” Like getting in a car that takes you from point A to point B.
Great post. Not only does it expose the way “some people rob you with a fountain pen” but it gives us practical ways to fight back.
Thanks.
Cynthia says it. Consult a lawyer.
I’m told the borrower, cannot compel the banks to produce everything, that requires a lawyer and possibly a lawsuit.
I did a lot line adjustment of six homes as few years back to get a development approved. Finding the lenders was hard. Getting them to admit they service a mortgage on the property was harder, Chase told me twice, point bank, they ddid not do the lot line adjustment, and I only made progress when I talked to their legal dept.
Damn little is in the public recoords here in CA, except the originator of the loan and the trust deed. No note, no loan services, no recorded assignment of the loan.
I’d be willing to bet that ACORN was pretty good at this resistance technique. And we see what happened to them.
You are misrepresenting what is in the public records in this state, CA.
In this state the deed of trust is recorded. The note, and any assignment of paper after origination, is not recorded. It is hard to find the current loan servicer, and if not an attorney, have authorization on the loan, or the borrower, the loan servicer will not discuss the loan with you, becuase of the privacy act.
I call bullshit on your web site for California.
This is a really important point. There was an $8 trillion bubble in housing loans alone. The paperwork was as far as I heard done by clowns and crooks. Add in the severance of the deed from the promissory note and we are talking about a significant fraction of this figure. So if even a quarter of mortgages fall into this category, and wouldn’t we all like to know what the real numbers are on this, we are talking about $2 trillion in what are now unsecured loans. This would likely sink the banking industry all over again. Systemic risk anyone?
What is so infuriating is how Team Obama has really dropped the ball on this and has so far not investigated much of anything with regard to it.
My guesses as to why are A) it would force them to face the rampant fraud that took place in the housing bubble, B) it might force them to confront the insolvency of the banks, C) they are scared to death that if this became widely known it would spark collateral calls, default notices, and CDSs right and left and take down the world financial system.
Sorry you feel that way. I understand that you do not have all the facts are are misinformed… It is a new frontier that we are all facing.
In the interest of justice, try this for CA.
Produce the Note California Style
4closureFraud
They must produce BOTH the promissory Note AND the Mortgage Deed.
It is the mortgage deed that give the right to forclose on real estate.
The Promissory Note is only the contract for debt. A promissory note w/o a mortgage deed does not get you kicked out of your house.
Also, is the promissory note is found to be unsecured, the debt can possibly be discharged in bankrupcy.
ANy party tryig to forclose on you maust not only produce botht hose docuemnts , but they must also prove how they came to have them showeing a cmplete chain of privity
It would be hard to sell the home in the short term under these cirtcumstances. But after a period of time (which will vary by state) it may be possible to bring an action to “quiet title” which would then give you clear title to sell
If I were a title insurance company, I would have ALOT of sleepless ights b/c if you do the maortgage payoff to the wrong company, that title will be defective, and the insurer will ahev to pay up.
It is a wonder that anyone can get titel insurance tright now –well other than those whose mortgages are still held by the original lender
Sorry to be OT but I’ve been away for awhile and I’m just checking in to see who Obama has stabbed in the back while I was away.
I think this is why we are not seeing either meanigful debt restructering OR cramdown.
It would force the banks to admit that they are insolvent and that they have essentially misplaced billions of dollars of debt obligations through crappy book keeping.
welcome back
So if all the capital for all those home mortgage loans came from the CDO investors and not the banks, then that sounds like the banks must have had a whole hell of a lot of capital freed up for other uses, as compared with how they operated historically before the CDOs. So… where’d they put it all? Did the existence of the CDOs make activity possible in some other part of the economy, that wouldn’t have been otherwise possible?
Hope you don’t find this OT, but on Jane’s Fannie/Freddie post today, Gimlet asked an intriguing question:
Thanks for pointing this out to people most do not know about this and during this period of time paper just flew around and never was legally tranfered.
Interesting point. Unless I’m missing something, it appears the angle of attack to take is pointing out the blatant tax evasion. Most states impose a recording tax when mortgage instruments (and deeds too for that matter) are transferred from one party to another. By not recording transfers, they evaded their duty to pay a transfer tax. So by asserting a mortgage transfer they should have (but did not) pay taxes on, they’re coming to court with unclean hands.
Wow. Excellent find?
I’m wondering who the title insurance folks have been going to in order to set up “reinsurance” hedges on the policies they offer.
If they don’t do reinsurance, they’re having a lot of sleepless nights. If they do use reinsurance, then those are the folks who are up late with worry.
Any idea who does reinsurance deals for title companies?
Not too many candidates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinsurance says
You are assuming competence not in evidence on ACORN’s part. One of my exes worked for them for a couple of months. They weren’t organized enough to order a pizza. She left due to her middle-class hangups about getting paid on time and in full.
What is the most reprehensible; morally, legally, and ethically abhorrent, is the fact that millions of Americans are being rendered homeless based on a Wall Street gamble that was rigged, connived to go bad. This was foreseen and meticulously executed (down to the AIG bail-out paying Goldman Sachs full price for admitted trash mortgage pools) so that the massive insurance payout structure remained intact, benefiting no one but all the miscreant, parasitic middlemen who sucked not just the money, but the very the life out of the global economy.
It’s not just me, some internet kook saying this! See here, the truth is finally getting some press coverage: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/business/24trading.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1
Four million foreclosure actions in 2009 alone? What kind of a county is this?
Defend your homes America!
Defend your homes!
http://www.ForeclosureHamlet.org
I think back at how many times I’ve enjoyed Jimmy Stewart in “It’s a Wonderful Life”. Oh, how times have changed! I’m not trying to pick fights with anyone here. I simply enjoy and encourage a lively debate on such an extremely important topic, which like it or not, effects us all. For the sake of disclosure: I am a registered Independent and take the liberty of quoting Senator Dick Durbin (D) IL …. “And the banks — hard to believe in a time when we’re facing a banking crisis that many of the banks created — are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. And they frankly own the place.”
We all seem to have forgotten that the very words “mort” and “gage” in French mean “death gamble”.
If the borrower died first, the debt is due on death, which is usually what happens.
Once in a while, the lenders all die enmasse, and the borrowers win the “death gamble”. What’s fair for the one is fair for the other. Just let the laws of economics take their course. My personal opinion? Let THEM die!
Please take a look at this link and give your thoughts on how Morgan Stanley (in this example) has been “victimized”.
http://market-ticker.org/archives/1749-The-Last-Word-On-Strategic-Defaults.html
Double standard? Will Morgan Stanley receive a 1099-C? A deficiency judgment? Naaah. Probably big fat bonuses for all! Hurray!
I do allow a personal exemption for house-flippers or speculators inspired by greed, I merely desire that honest individuals facing foreclosure realize that more than likely, their “wet-ink” signature on their Promissory Note or Deed of Trust was calculatedly, deliberately, repeatedly, and most eagerly used as a Wall Street instrument to illegally create an enormous amount of (untaxed) wealth at the unjust expense of others.
The spirit of the many powerful Consumer Protection laws, more as a rule rather an exception, has been trampled. Explaining this would require too lengthy a dissertation for this forum. Anyone wishing to learn more…feel free to contact me via this web-site. There are ways to fight back.
For anyone who questions my motives, I DO profit greatly from my efforts …not monetarily…but in the form of personal satisfaction. I PLEAD everyone to watch this very powerful youtube video as well as the links below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ6lPaiKmwg
http://www.foreclosurehamlet.org/
http://livinglies.wordpress.com/
http://4closurefraud.wordpress.com/
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-367943#
I think that is why we don’t have cramdown, yet. I think that the gov’t was hoping that if the economy recovered, the housing market would pick up again.
However, that did not pan out, presumably for at least 2 reasons:
1) the so called “recovery” has not solved the jobless problem, people without jobs can neither buy new houses, not pay an existing mortgage
2) banks were given all kinds of moolah to restructure loans, that would have included some portion of debt forgiveness and lowering of interst rates, etc.
However, if a loan is in one of these securities, it cannot have it’s terms changed w/o breaching the contract (or trust agreement) that created the security.
We will not have effective mortgage renegotiation until we unwind thses stupid securities
Do you actually read your bullshit?
““California courts have held that the Civil Code Provisions” cover every aspect “of the foreclosure process and since there is no requirement to “Produce the Note” in the nonjudicial foreclosure statutes, no note must be produced before foreclosing.”
Notice “nonjudicial foreclosure”? This is a note & trust deed. The trust deed assigns the title (hypoticated) to the trustee. It’s the trustee acting on the instruction of the loan server who is foreclosing.
The Civil Code section to which you refer is for MORTGAGES, not TRUST DEED & NOTES.
Foreclosure is very state specific.
To repeat. Consult an Attorney.
The title companies wants to see the loan number and payoff statement from the loan servicer before the payoff.
If the loan servicer does not own the mortgage and accepts the money, the title company will pursue the loan servicing company.
Maybe we will all just get our houses for free.
Thanks, Cynthia. That all makes sense, and I don’t see any signs of the CDOs getting resolved/unwound any time soon. I do wonder whether the OP of that comment may have meant otherwise undesirable inflation, rather than a market recovery per se. But if either event comes to pass, it will be interesting to see who if anyone will see opportunities in getting those folks out of those houses/mortgages, and decide to provide products to make that process easier for them. USG?