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	<title>Comments on: Jane Hamsher, Grover Norquist Call for Rahm Emanuel’s Resignation</title>
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		<title>By: adelita</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/23/jane-hamsher-grover-norquist-call-for-rahm-emmanuel%e2%80%99s-resignation/#comment-2042972</link>
		<dc:creator>adelita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is repellent.  Rahm&#039;s membership on a board ten years ago is reason he cannot advise the President.  Riiiight.  And it&#039;s so bad he must resign.  What.  Ever.  This is done, transparently, to &quot;get&quot; Rahm, and this is apparently the best you can do.  There will be no investigation of this, no substantial publicity surrounding it, just the further turning of a splinter of the middle-far left into irrelevance.

This demonizing of Emanuel is as stupid as the assertion on MSNBC that Waxman-Markey is the Coal Industry Protection Plan.  Are the Kyoto Protocols insufficiently pure for FDL?  Maybe you and Norquist should go after Al Gore.  Oh wait, you both did, with Bush and Nader.  That turned out well.  The logical progressive play is to push next for a public option, and to support progressive primary candidates, not burn down the house in a widdle tantwum.  And this kind of stuff is wet matches that will burn nothing, and deservedly not.  

The comment about working with Sarah Palin next is an excellent one, as is the point that there are those with much more close connections to financial orgs and institutions during the time that led to the crash for which you&#039;re not seeking redress with your pal Grover (2001 Fannie is not the problem here, but you know that).  While there is no cure for Obama Derangement Syndrome, I&#039;ll think of you in November 2012 when he&#039;s re-elected easily, because it&#039;s about the economy.  This brand of gotcha politics gets you nothing.  Stimulus, Waxman-Markey, Sotomayor, 30 million more insured.  These are real things.  Vendettas are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is repellent.  Rahm&#8217;s membership on a board ten years ago is reason he cannot advise the President.  Riiiight.  And it&#8217;s so bad he must resign.  What.  Ever.  This is done, transparently, to &#8220;get&#8221; Rahm, and this is apparently the best you can do.  There will be no investigation of this, no substantial publicity surrounding it, just the further turning of a splinter of the middle-far left into irrelevance.</p>
<p>This demonizing of Emanuel is as stupid as the assertion on MSNBC that Waxman-Markey is the Coal Industry Protection Plan.  Are the Kyoto Protocols insufficiently pure for FDL?  Maybe you and Norquist should go after Al Gore.  Oh wait, you both did, with Bush and Nader.  That turned out well.  The logical progressive play is to push next for a public option, and to support progressive primary candidates, not burn down the house in a widdle tantwum.  And this kind of stuff is wet matches that will burn nothing, and deservedly not.  </p>
<p>The comment about working with Sarah Palin next is an excellent one, as is the point that there are those with much more close connections to financial orgs and institutions during the time that led to the crash for which you&#8217;re not seeking redress with your pal Grover (2001 Fannie is not the problem here, but you know that).  While there is no cure for Obama Derangement Syndrome, I&#8217;ll think of you in November 2012 when he&#8217;s re-elected easily, because it&#8217;s about the economy.  This brand of gotcha politics gets you nothing.  Stimulus, Waxman-Markey, Sotomayor, 30 million more insured.  These are real things.  Vendettas are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Mymy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mymy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elections are not about purity in ideology, at least not so far, although once the teabaggers started this (with that amazingly doofus guy in upstate NY--the &#039;scozzofava&#039; guy) it was only a matter of time before &#039;real&#039; leftists demanded the same of their candidates. 

Won&#039;t end up being very pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elections are not about purity in ideology, at least not so far, although once the teabaggers started this (with that amazingly doofus guy in upstate NY&#8211;the &#8216;scozzofava&#8217; guy) it was only a matter of time before &#8216;real&#8217; leftists demanded the same of their candidates. </p>
<p>Won&#8217;t end up being very pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: goodkind</title>
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		<dc:creator>goodkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grover Norquist? What an embarrassment.</description>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you trying to say that America&#039;s interests are not separable from those of Israel?  

What other dual nationals would have in close proximity to the decision making of American security policy?

American support for Israeli war crimes, Emmanuel served as an Israeli citizen in the IDF, is the main political justification which legitimates asymmetrical warfare against the US in the eyes of Islamic folks.

How can we protect Americans if an individual who has served in the IDF which commits war crimes against Moslems furthers Israel&#039;s national interest over ours?

This is a legitimate question, has nothing to do with right wing conspiracy theory.  I&#039;m an antizionist Jew and am horrified that such war crimes are committed with my money in my name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you trying to say that America&#8217;s interests are not separable from those of Israel?  </p>
<p>What other dual nationals would have in close proximity to the decision making of American security policy?</p>
<p>American support for Israeli war crimes, Emmanuel served as an Israeli citizen in the IDF, is the main political justification which legitimates asymmetrical warfare against the US in the eyes of Islamic folks.</p>
<p>How can we protect Americans if an individual who has served in the IDF which commits war crimes against Moslems furthers Israel&#8217;s national interest over ours?</p>
<p>This is a legitimate question, has nothing to do with right wing conspiracy theory.  I&#8217;m an antizionist Jew and am horrified that such war crimes are committed with my money in my name.</p>
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		<title>By: fwdpost</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwdpost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emmanuel is an Obaminatio, who represents the interests of big corporations that have supported the Blue Dog cabal he helped found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emmanuel is an Obaminatio, who represents the interests of big corporations that have supported the Blue Dog cabal he helped found.</p>
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		<title>By: oldoilfieldhand</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldoilfieldhand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane Hamsher, the best friend Democracy has and Rham Emanuel&#039;s worst nightmare! There&#039;s a new Sheriff in town boys and girls!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Hamsher, the best friend Democracy has and Rham Emanuel&#8217;s worst nightmare! There&#8217;s a new Sheriff in town boys and girls!</p>
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		<title>By: wizardleft1962</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizardleft1962</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was ineffective and sporadic criticism at best....but it&#039;s a stretch there to say &quot;plenty.&quot;

I have seen some of the progressive criticisms of Obama and have not been impressed. The criticism I have seen has been fully constrained, like Paul Krugman&#039;s. In one breath there is criticism and in the next sentence back tracking and praise of Mr. Obama.

The real criticisms of Obama which I have been impressed are from the Radical, Marxist and Socialist persepctives which criticize the American Empire and its antecedents. I do not confuse criticisms of Obama by those so-called &quot;liberals&quot; (I am not a liberal but avowed Socialist/Radical) with, say, the radical perspective of Black Agenda Report or the Socialist views of Kate Randall or Lee Sustar. 

I am sorry, but, totally disagree with your view that I missed anything this past year, regarding (gulp) that &quot;progressive criticism&quot; of Obama this past year. Obama certainly couldn&#039;t care less anyway because he is trying to be like Ronald Reagan. 

I know what I know and know what I see and the progressive community has been soft on Obama and still is for the most part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was ineffective and sporadic criticism at best&#8230;.but it&#8217;s a stretch there to say &#8220;plenty.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have seen some of the progressive criticisms of Obama and have not been impressed. The criticism I have seen has been fully constrained, like Paul Krugman&#8217;s. In one breath there is criticism and in the next sentence back tracking and praise of Mr. Obama.</p>
<p>The real criticisms of Obama which I have been impressed are from the Radical, Marxist and Socialist persepctives which criticize the American Empire and its antecedents. I do not confuse criticisms of Obama by those so-called &#8220;liberals&#8221; (I am not a liberal but avowed Socialist/Radical) with, say, the radical perspective of Black Agenda Report or the Socialist views of Kate Randall or Lee Sustar. </p>
<p>I am sorry, but, totally disagree with your view that I missed anything this past year, regarding (gulp) that &#8220;progressive criticism&#8221; of Obama this past year. Obama certainly couldn&#8217;t care less anyway because he is trying to be like Ronald Reagan. </p>
<p>I know what I know and know what I see and the progressive community has been soft on Obama and still is for the most part.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulaT</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you missed is that she met his wife and the wife has some Israel issues. Grover has battled his own people on the right over those issues. Take Rahm&#039;s view of Israel and his being a Democrat and add that to the mix and you get a very powerful guy willing to go to the mat to take Rahm down and Rahm has got to know this. He&#039;s not afraid of the left, so he pressures the Congress to go right and appease the Liebermans and Nelsons. He will fear Grover and maybe will think twice before he goes around liberal bashing when Jane is allied with Grover. He&#039;ll learn to fear Jane, too, when all is said and done, I have no doubt.

The other brilliang angle to this is that we&#039;ve currently got a bunch of House progressives who pledged to vote against any bill without a strong public option who are looking like they&#039;ll bail on us. Jane is letting them know she&#039;s serious and they&#039;d better think twice about crossing her. At the same time, she&#039;s sending that message through an attack on Rahm, who has to be the number one person pressuring them to cave or he&#039;ll make them pay. She&#039;s not just saying cross me and you&#039;ll pay, she&#039;s saying don&#039;t side with Rahm because he&#039;s likely to be politically toxic in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you missed is that she met his wife and the wife has some Israel issues. Grover has battled his own people on the right over those issues. Take Rahm&#8217;s view of Israel and his being a Democrat and add that to the mix and you get a very powerful guy willing to go to the mat to take Rahm down and Rahm has got to know this. He&#8217;s not afraid of the left, so he pressures the Congress to go right and appease the Liebermans and Nelsons. He will fear Grover and maybe will think twice before he goes around liberal bashing when Jane is allied with Grover. He&#8217;ll learn to fear Jane, too, when all is said and done, I have no doubt.</p>
<p>The other brilliang angle to this is that we&#8217;ve currently got a bunch of House progressives who pledged to vote against any bill without a strong public option who are looking like they&#8217;ll bail on us. Jane is letting them know she&#8217;s serious and they&#8217;d better think twice about crossing her. At the same time, she&#8217;s sending that message through an attack on Rahm, who has to be the number one person pressuring them to cave or he&#8217;ll make them pay. She&#8217;s not just saying cross me and you&#8217;ll pay, she&#8217;s saying don&#8217;t side with Rahm because he&#8217;s likely to be politically toxic in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: racetoinfinity</title>
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		<dc:creator>racetoinfinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been plenty of criticism of Obama by progressives for the past year.  You&#039;ve missed it, apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been plenty of criticism of Obama by progressives for the past year.  You&#8217;ve missed it, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: racetoinfinity</title>
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		<dc:creator>racetoinfinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange bedfellows (I&#039;m sure this is the 100th time this phrase has been used in comments) - but whatever it takes to get Holder to investigate Rahm, who is a real snake, imo, and we will be well rid of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange bedfellows (I&#8217;m sure this is the 100th time this phrase has been used in comments) &#8211; but whatever it takes to get Holder to investigate Rahm, who is a real snake, imo, and we will be well rid of him.</p>
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