In the midst of all the outrage against the Senate health care monstrosity spectacular once-in-a-lifetime triumph, we should remember that women are not the only demographic getting thrown under the bus (then again, to say that gays have been “thrown under the bus” would imply that they weren’t already living there to begin with):
Under existing law, health benefits that employers provide to the opposite-sex spouses of employees are exempt from federal income tax. But identical benefits provided to employees’ same-sex spouses or partners are taxed as income. Receiving the benefits increases a gay or lesbian worker’s taxable income by thousands of dollars a year in what amounts to a “gay tax” on health insurance benefits.
The version of health care legislation approved by the House of Representatives would eliminate this “gay tax.”….
The version of health care legislation formulated by Reid and endorsed by all 60 Senate Democrats, in contrast, contains no provision to eliminate the “gay tax.” If this version passes the Senate as is, the fate of the “gay tax” would depend on closed-door negotiations between the House and Senate–and the Obama Administration–in conference committee.
This is incredibly mean-spirited and unfair, but I can easily envision it slipping through into the final bill because no one in Congress is paying attention to it. But if Obama is the “fierce advocate” that he claims to be, then he should insist on the House version. If Obama and Congress insist on passing a godawful and politically suicidal bill, they should at least correct this indefensible inequity in our tax code.
Of course, the fix would only apply to gay employees who can get spousal benefits in the first place…
The Obama administration refused Friday to follow a federal judge’s order to provide insurance benefits to the wife of a lesbian court employee in San Francisco and said its hands were tied by a discriminatory law.
Basically, OPM is claiming that Judge Kozinski ‘s order is meaningless because he made it in an administrative capacity rather than a judicial one, and they simply can’t comply because of the terrible awful DOMA that Obama is in no hurry to repeal, even though Kozinski argued that the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) trumps it. Apparently Obama’s OPM would rather look for excuses to ignore the judge’s ruling than take on DOMA in any way. Indeed, their lawyer even had the nerve to say that “[t]his issue shows exactly why Congress needs to repeal DOMA.”
But I’m sure their boss didn’t know about any of this. After all, a fierce advocate like Obama would never stand for such shabby treatment of his gay friends. I mean, look how he pushed for domestic-partner benefits for all federal employees which is so totally close to passing:
Lieberman and Collins said they were happy to see the bill move forward, but they would not seek time on the Senate calendar for debate until OPM explained how it planned to pay for the benefits it would begin providing to the domestic partners of gay and lesbian federal employees.
(…)
“We will not move it on the floor of the Senate until we get that explicit offset so this is a deficit-neutral step,” [Lieberman] said.
And how much is this staggering sum that must be balanced out for the bill to proceed? 63 MILLION dollars! Yes, that’s Million with an M. Which makes the annual cost roughly $10 million less than the going rate for a sociopathic health insurance CEO’s golden parachute, or about half a day’s worth of military operations in Afghanistan, pre-Surge.
I’m sure Obama could find that kind of money between the cushions of the Pentagon’s couches, but if he’s not willing to cut his Afghanistan budget by 0.1%, maybe he could just strip out the $250 million for abstinence education that Harry Reid let Orrin Hatch sneak into the Senate health care bill in exchange for, well, nothing. (Because the only thing better than a bill that makes abortions unaffordable is a bill that makes abortions unaffordable and increases the number of unwanted and underage pregnancies!)
Okay, the last item is maybe a little nitpicky and should be cleared up as soon as the LGBT community’s good friends at OPM come back with a plan to scrounge up $63 million in savings, but it’s more than a little bit ridiculous that Obama’s most significant pro-gay initiative is getting held up by transparent posturing over what amounts to a rounding error.
Obama’s support for gay rights so far has looked a lot like his support for the public option.




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Harry Reid is a bigger piece of dog poopy than Orrin Hatch. And Orrin Hatch is a disgusting, lemon sucking, sanctimonious, pearl-clutching piece of super-judgmental dog poopy.
No argument here. At least Hatch doesn’t pretend to be anything else.
News flash, Obama only cares about LGBT issues when he’s campaigning. Just like every politician. If he won’t even champion the items in the bill that he himself laid out during the election ie:public option, I have no faith he will support anything such as this.
I’m pretty sure he would have to exert only a very small amount of effort and political capital to address these three items, and I’m equally certain that he won’t.
Sadly my optimism has been deflated 3 let downs ago. My faith rests with a full progressive assault in 2010 and beyond. Thankfully I live in DC and can attend every single protest. :D
Geez, mean-spirited to be sure. If we had a decent SCOTUS, the gay tax would make a great case.
Not sure where your count started, but I think the handwriting was on the wall when he decided to associate himself with evangelical homophobes like Donnie McClurkin and Rick Warren.
Yeah, I was thinking it sounded like an epic Equal Protection fail too. Imagine if minority couples had to pay taxes on their bennies, but white couples didn’t.
My. Buttons. Pushed.
Back in a moment, after deep breath and counting to 100.
I had an opposite sex domestic partner (we were not married) and her children carried on my health insurance in California. The premiums my employer paid were taxable income.
I’m not saying this is fair. domestic partner benefits should be treated like spousal benefits regardless of gender of the domestic partner. We were living as a family and the insurance was for the family. I’m very happy I had the opportunity to get coverage; her son was diagnosed with a brain tumor and received first class treatment a Lucille Packard hospital, surviving for 8 years now… actually thriving, graduated igh school and is in Community College.
Same sex couples should be able to marry as well.
If the Senate bill *only* taxed domestic partners, then there might be a constitutional leg to stand on. But the tax applies to same-sex married couples as well.
Well, what would be so unfair about that? /s
Seriously, I wish (if wishes were ponies…) that this country would get with the program. Such a lack of moral courage in DeeCee.
Great read Eli, but why is it I don’t think the issue of the taxing for gays benefits is gonna BE among any of the issues they have to feather out to pass the Senate Bill in The House, for Obama to sign? /s
Wow. Just Wow.
And giving gays equal rights wouldn’t even hurt the corporations! Unfortunately, the religious right has almost as much clout as they do, maybe more.
Interesting that the religious right has such pull with the Ds, for whom they will never vote.
It all can’t last much longer as it’s constructed . . .
I’d be the LAST one to say, wait just a BIT more, about any issue . . . and that’s NOT what I’m saying.
I AM saying, the system just can’t go much further as it is without breaking up of itself.
If changing the system means helping to break it . . .
That said, one day, one issue at a time as any of us can in our daily lives, as a group for change.
We hope on.
I doubt even the Rapture would help. The “believers” would find themselves still here and empty Buddhist robes everywhere.
Or perhaps the Rapture has already happened. Which would explain a lot.
Eli, thank you very much for this post. It is because of truly fierce advocates like you among our straight allies that our community knows the arc of history will eventually bend toward justice.
Thank you. This means a lot.
Does anyone have any figures on what the market demographics looks like for the LGBT community in the US? I’m trying to translate the LGGT cause(s) into real dollars that make a statement. In other words, voting against LGBT will result in lost revenue of x amount if they decide to not purchase from a certain company.
Hmmm, it would, wouldn’t it.
My pleasure, Teddy, and thank you.
Worked with Disney in Orlando. They snapped to in a hurry.
goodeve Eli……….chucked my Obama buttons ala John Kerry,when the bill passed,and 2 Obama tees @25$ a piece went to Salvation Army…………how disappointing
Outrageous.
Thanks for this, Eli.
Aww, ya coulda redesigned ‘em with a magic marker.
Just a reminder. We are not just consumers. We are also human beings.
But the religious right shouldn’t have any clout in the Democratic Party! Does Obama actually think the talibangelicals will say in 2012 (or 2010, as if he cares, which I think he’s shown he doesn’t) “Gosh, Obama has continued discrimination against gays, let’s vote for him this time!”
That will never happen, and he needs to start to dance with them who brung him.
Did you draw a circle around “Obama” and put a stroke through it with laundry market before giving the t-shirts away?
My 16. It’s a mystery.
Maybe so, but when was the last time that factored into any politician’s thinking?
hahahahaha…you have cheered me up…much thanx
You can guess who I blame this on.
HRC’s buying for equality guide for 2010 may be found here.
It’s a start.
Thank you for promoting the movie where Denzel Washington beats up everybody so that my words can save the earth.
They seriously said same sex spouses would be taxed?
That’s evil.
And likely unconstitutional – full faith and credit, equal protection anyone?
To be sure. Just being a bit of a guardian of discourse here. Which is why it was a “reminder” instead of a screed.
This is getting better and better.
From Joe Sudbay at AmericaBlog Gay, we learn that the judge isn’t taking this lying down:
I wonder how the DOJ lawyer is going to explain this one to the boss.
You mean there is actually a third branch of govt?
As I was driving along today I was making a mental checklist of all the Democratic groups our House Of Lourdes was pissing off with this bill.
Blue collar–excise tax. check
Wimmens–no coverage for not-male-parts. check
Immigrants–no care whatsoever for undocumented workers–even if they buy it themselves. check
Liberals–stuff money down the throats of corporations as fast as they can shovel it. check
I thought how fortunate the LBGT community was to remain unscathed.
Now this. Do they want to lose?
okay back to non reality
will finish watching MY FAIR LADY…and then PYGMALION comes on with my fave Wendy Hiller…nite sweet dogs!….and Baz was sheared like a sheep
solidarity means leaving no one behind.
something to aspire to…
it was either that or piss off insurance industry, big pharma, etc. maybe someone counted dollars instead of votes?
Hey, Eli asked for a fierce advocate, and it looks like perhaps there’s a serious candidate for that job opening after all.
Gosh darn those activist judges. What is he trying to do, EMBARRASS President Obama? Oh, the humanity…
My late husband viewed himself as my personal Henry Higgins. So too personal for me.
G’nite sadly and Baz.
Keep track of him & see if he amounts to a hill of beans.
That’s my favorite church/state cartoon of all time:
Jerry Falwell grasping on to Pat Robertson in the middle of an empty street, papers blowing all over, not a soul to be seen anywhere.
The headline over the box says, After the Rapture.
And both Jerry and Pat are exclaiming together, “I don’t understand … We hated all the right people, didn’t we?”
First the Donny McClurkin flap. Made me very irritated.
Then last January, OFA volunteeers came to my door just before the CO Caucus, and said will you stand with us? I said “No, I’m standing with Edwards right now.” (In a caucus state, at least Colorado, you actually have to stand in a section of the room for the candidate.)
Edwards dropped right before the CO Caucus. OFA volunteers called, and said “OK, NOW, will you stand with us?” I said “No, I’m not going now. There’s barely daylight between O and Hillary.”
Then I watched the FISA flip.
I say to myself “I’m not a single issue voter for gay rights, I HATE this FISA stance, but the alternative is far worse.”
I vote Obama.
Then I watch the Rick Warren flap.
Then I see the Grand Bargain bullshit.
Then I decide, you know I’m not going to argue about the unfairness in the tax code right now about what Belch and I pay extra. I just want Healthcare with a PO to pass, and I won’t have a hissy about this unfairness, particularly if healthcare goes the right way, with a PO, since fucking single payer was yanked immediately.
So I labor along, with everyone else about the PO. Go to calls to action, and film the townhalls yanno, report about it.
Well now I am pissed. PISSED!
I couldn’t be MORE involved, and more willing to let some of this shit pass, but NO! Simply gotta punch some more homos!
It’s crazy. The amount I pay for Belch for insurance is about $350 per month. That’s just for him. I am TAXED that same amount as income, since my employer matches it! $4200 per year in my bracket I pay extra on.
I was willing to let that go for so long.
But not anymore seeing how this is all going down. It’s now an issue for me, and a big one.
It’s nice to be reminded of that once in a while, thanks.
Wow, that sounds like it could be annoying.
Wasn’t that from an episode of Family Guy, the next moment they embrace and start kissing passionately?
Well, I admit I was taking Pam and her diarist’s word for it, but they appear to be correct.
I do have a Constitutional amendment proposal, though.
“Under existing law, health benefits that employers provide to the opposite-sex spouses of employees are exempt from federal income tax. But identical benefits provided to employees’ same-sex spouses or partners are taxed as income.”
Notice that it says “Opposite sex spouses” but same sex spouses OR partners”(emphasis mine)
Now, what about the opposite sex partners or significant others?
It took me a long time to realize it. So I was blissfully oblivious for much of the time. But once I saw it, yeah.
I didn’t see it on Family Guy, but I find Fox’s Sunday family night line up appropriate to Murdoch’s politics — whore anything for more money and power.
I swear to God,if this inequity is corrceted, I’ll…….. I don’t want to promise anything because this whole health care refeorm thing has been one long strange trip. Sad truth, I think, is that nobody is going to let this keep them in Washington after Xmas Eve morning. But even where gay marriage is legal, benefits are taxed?? Absolutely no justification for that. I’m not saying partners bennies should be, but I understand the argument (they’re not married). (what’s that? they can’t marry? um, well…..)
I have no patience for lawyers who disrespect judges and even less for government lawyers who do it.
63 MILLION dollars! Yes, that’s Million with an M.
Chump change. Goldman Sachs Xmas party prolly cost less.
Sickening. Just sell out another constituency that has no place else to go.
Just a quick driveby but with around $400 billion in cuts to Medicare the elderly are far and away the mostly heavily targeted group in this healthcare “reform” package.
Got that right. I couldn’t have written the actual scenario in my wildest nightmares.
Could you expand? What are the cuts? So-called “savings” that are really reductions in benefits?
Pssssst ….. follow the money.
At this point my only question is whether, to coin a phrase, “Obama doesn’t care about gay people”, or whether this really is deliberate political calculation to pander to the religious right (which, as Teddy points out, is a complete waste of time).
I think Obama would get a lot more respect from the electorate as a whole if he simply said, “This is patently unfair bullshit, we are an enlightened modern country that has moved beyond all of this bullshit, and WE WILL FIX IT.” And then proceeded to actually do so. But of course that would be completely and utterly out of character.
yeah. Like that. Thanks selise.
Oh, of that I am now intimately familiar. What I meant was how to write the scenario by which the corp interests would win, while hiding the fingerprints. An amazing kabuki.
To further paraphrase Mr. Yes We Can –
“Yes I Would, If I Really Wanted To. But Really – Nah.”
reemember the town hall meetings? seems so long ago? Remember “Think they’ll get it done before the summer recess?” remember Obama’s speech? Only thing I remember, really, is “You lie!” Remember how we trashed Joe Wilson? Was he wrong, really ?
Sounds exactly like what you described. A clip can be viewed here. Requires Quicktime.
I enjoy the Fox Sunday night lineup. Guess I’m just a corp tool.
“They’re only a small percentage of the population, and the fundies will scream bloody murder, so why should I stick my neck out?”
A real profile in courage. I noticed one of Pam’s commenters suggesting the phrase “moral vaporware”.
You’ll have to look for that risk/cost/benefit algorithm in Obama’s $700 billion stimulus legislation — all of those millions of jobs created or saved from elimination. Pretty darned slippery, that one.
Our opposite members have been more prescient than we gave them credit for. And I didn’t like Obama from the getgo.
He’d have to actually stand up to the lobbyists and the corporations they work for. I don’t see that happening: he backs down when challenged. even when it should be an easy win.
I’m just so goddamned mad.
That $4200 in my AGI (Adjusted Gross Income) is a tax of about $1300 annually, which is essentially another mortgage payment for us that I was willing to OVERLOOK if we got decent frikking healthcare legislation passed!
My own guess is that he’ smart enough to know pandering to the right is a waste but he doesn’t want to get “too close” to gay people for fear of offending the great middle/center. and I think he believes he can take gay votes for granted. and I think he’s gonna learn a lesson about taking votes for granted. i hope so. and I hope he learns it sooner rather than later.
i gotta do some laundry.
be back
BTW, the L&O rerun now playing on tnt is all about the rapture. Apparently the post-rapture emails were sent out prematurely. Since I’ve been commenting I haven’t paid enough attention to figure out who got murdered.
It sucks, Kelly. It just sucks to be us right now.
Fox Sunday? You’re joking, yes? Geraldo? Fuckabee?
He’s taking a whole *lot* of votes for granted.
They would have reacted the same if Obama had actually turned out be a champion for the masses. Stopped clock scenario.
Animated shows in the evening.
To repeat, endlessly, my telling experience. Obama’s snot-nosed reps at NN2008 in Austin, upon hearing my complaints about his caving on FISA, retorted: So what is your alternative. This is a deliberate cynical stand that spread the entire org long before the election.
Our local Y Family Center was compelled to change its definition of family to accommodate gay parents.
Another new-family reality: Health insurance coverage for age 26 [or 27] for children living in households is totally out of touch with today’s reality … adult children forced to move back home with parents because they cannot afford to pay off humongous student loan expenses [yet another example of the mordida for the banksters, howdja guess], loan expenses that are nowhere near covered in the new job-starved economy. Where will the 30-something who can’t afford her own apt pay for health ins?
Candidate Obama will return in 2011!
(as we call him the person who acts like a progressive, he said he wanted to be like Ronald Reagan)
In the meantime how the OwnerShip Class plans on keeping the Congress and White House Conservative.
The OwnerShip class did not like 70% of the nation liking Democrats in 2008.
No worry, in comes President Obama who transforms into Bush once he walks in the White House.
Obama and Rahm are going to get a lot of Dems wipe out in the 2010 midterms. (Obama and Rahm don’t really care, they are Republicans)
Obama has done a tremendous job of destroying the Democratic Brand, the drop from 70% favorable to 40% favorable has been rapid.
Candidate Obama will return in 2011 along with the Troops from the war front.
If progressives want to get a kiss and hug from Obama you will just have to wait to 2011. (he will also hug and kiss the UNIONS in 2011, but with the Republican Congress in charge it will just be empty word like 2008)
If President Obama wins in 2012, he will again screw progressives.
The major damage President Obama will do to the Progressive movement will hit in 2014, when people are force to buy insurance.
People who have never thought about politics will join the fight against progressives in 2014, they will be fill with anger, because they have to buy Insurance.
This is why it is important that Progressive let the masses know that this is not a Progressive Health Insurance Bill. I have a strong feeling the Employee Free Choice Act will be another Democrat sell out. Good Luck Unions
Rush Limbaugh the spoke person for the Ownership Class is yelling that this is a Progressive Health Insurance Bill. (remember insurance executives don’t vote for progressives)
The Elites have put together a simple plan to keep Congress and the White House conservative for the next decade.
Progressives needs to Organize!
The 2010 elections are going to be CRAZY!
Some Progressive may have to run against Obama and Bush.
Remember Candidate Obama will be back in 2011.
Progressives needs to treat 2010 like 2008.
Obama and Bush have a lot in common.
Fair enough.
There’s no money in it. If Wall Street, or PhRMA, or the insurance companies, or some other industry with deep pockets supported LGBT rights, Obama would be in there pitching for them. Otherwise… not so much.
That’s the standard response everywhere.
I don’t care about that line anymore. Who needs a Democrat who will just vote like a Republican. I’m voting in my primary on February 2 and will only support candidates who support single payer. You can’t trust anyone who campaigns on just the public option not to cave.
I don’t care how much Democrats scream “Sarah Palin! Sarah Palin!” I’m not buying it. But I’m not staying home either, because I don’t want to give them another excuse to move to the right.
Ironically enough, Obama has been a fierce advocate of emissions reduction — but China gamed the Copenhagen talks so that he’d be blamed for their failure.
The Tauzinization of Health Care Reform
Hidden in plain sight, you mean. The hundreds of millions in campaign contributions are documented, as well as the hundreds of former congress people and staff now lobbying for every industry group on K Street.
Any foreign interest might draw the conclusion that America is no longer part of North America, having slipped into that gap between south and central America where the thinnest veneer at the top controls everything and bribery, extortion and public policy are conflated into one raison d’etat.
Obama isn’t going to insist on anything if doing so means he might have to wait an extra day or two for his signing ceremony. And in any event, I doubt he ever intended to be anything like the “fierce advocate” for GLBT rights that he claimed he would be during the elections. In fact, after the blatant lies he’s telling now about his supporting the PO during the campaign, I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to pretend that he never promised to support GLBT rights.
Is there a preexisting agreement between O & Sotomayor that she’ll vote for him if 2012 ends up in SCOTUS?
To be sure. Just sayin’ I got an early read. Nothing more profound.
Yep, you wuz right (raising drawbridge). “g”
If the MSM doesn’t cover it, does the tree dropping in the forest make a sound. Caught a snippet on NewsHour (during L&O commercials) interviewing someone who had studied lobbying. At one point in the interview, the host helpfully pointed out that, just because it looked like shit, didn’t mean that something untoward was actually going on. Oh no, said the expert, he didn’t mean to imply that at all.
Truth.
As fabulous as we are, as far as we have come, I really don’t think most people get it. (FDL excluded.)
That is why I have really put it out as far as being out both as Gay and as a Blog denizen, and as far as conflating Women’s rights with Gay rights.
If the Establishment will treat Women so shitty as regards Stupak and Nelson, it’s going to get even WORSE for us Teddy.
It just will. It’s a “commons” fight, and I don’t understand why people don’t get that.
As a female, I’m beginning to think of the drawbridge in other terms.
That’s because the system has decriminalized everything in D.C. except marijuana.
Was the most perfect example of spreading the nether cheeks that I have personally observed.
OT but A wee bit of love to TheLurkingMod.
That “other” thread is still quite lively and must be causing a bit of strife. Hope some choco-love helps, Lurk!
Wowee! I just polished of some chocolate chip cookies and it still looks good.
I saw this week that PBS is allocating money from their budget to have ongoing Nielsen data, rather than four times a year. This is to give their advertisers better information on their viewership — whose eyes, ears and brains are being delivered to their commercial messaging before and after programs.
Makes me proud to be a contributor.
If not for NOW and Moyers I’d have given up on PBS completely before now. Beltway conventional wisdom is available elsewhere if one desires it.
I baked for days for cookie Xmas gifts. Have NO leftovers. But as soon as I get back from family mash, it’s cookies for (((((mods))))). Wishing y’all the best holidays ever, and a 2010 with everyone obeying the rules!
You still contribute? After W polticized it?
On behalf of the moderator staff, I will be taking those goods off your hands now.
Happy holidaze to you too, eCAHN.
Authority RULES! “G”
And I fully expect you to hold me to my promise to provide the best cookies/brownies ever after the holidays.
To be fair, mods are not even close to authoritarians. After all, we’re progressives, i.e. herding cats type stuff. Very hard work. *g*
Ya know, as little children, the first time any of us see someone bully someone else, we know RIGHT away that we are in line for that, someday.
Sadly, that awareness seems to go away for too many, and too many grow up and look the other way thinking they will never suffer what others suffer, and in the process enable the bully to propagate itself.
I concur, THAT’S some sad shit. As you suggest, here at FDL, not the same.
Here’s to fightin the fuckin bullies, all of us, together.
Sorry, I thought you were referring to rules in general.
FDL mods are the bestest!
(((mods)))
Actually, everyone was gaming Copenhagen. Obama by backing cap and trade has already shown that he very much isn’t serious about deep cuts. Indeed most of the cuts he has talked about would happen, conveniently, long after he is out of office (even if he did get a 2nd term).
eCahn, the Medicare cuts are advertised as cutting waste and improving efficiency. Both of those goals are seriously at odds with the rest of Obama’s healthcare program with its sellouts to BigInsurance, Pharma, and Medical.
I’ve had a couple of telling experiences with bullies. Both turned out that if you stood up to them, they melted away. Not saying that’s the rule (although one was my very bullish boss at Goldman Sucks), but it seems to be worth a try.
Consider yourself schooled. *g*
Hey eCAHN – I posted this down below (so an EPU!) But while the subject is taxes:
The mandate in the bill is serious. Were that it was a “date” with a nice “man” but it ain’t.
What I thought on HCR.
Copenhagen was a travesty of nth degree. (Or as Amy’s guests said, 3 degrees which drowns many countries.)
I picked up my pecan and pumpkin pies today from the nun who baked them for me.
**sharing virtual pie with the mod squad**
I think LOLcats just released a cartoon of Obama the fierce advocate.
You make Fierce Advocate scared.
Good point. But with no lien, does that amount to anything? So hypothetical penalties keep accumulating, but to what effect?
This is all premature, since we don’t know what will end up in the final bastard legislation.
That one’s like my friend’s cat when I try to pick her up, minus the biting.
Well, the liability shifts over your payments and time to your actual tax bill.
At the point your actual tax bill says “lien” what could you do about it?
In other words, they got you coming or going the way I see it.
Heh. My girlfriend’s last cat would completely freak out if you picked her up; her current cat freaks out if you *don’t*.
late nite is upstairs
Yes the MANDATE is very, very, serious!!!
this is why progressives must make sure the masses know that this is not a progressive bill.
The stupid dems in congress who we need to vote out of office ASAP, are helping the ELITES destroy the progressive movement.
No one knows the future, but I got a real, real, bad feeling about this Mandate come 2014. I think this thing is going to result in some of biggest protest this NATION has EVER SEEN!!!
All of that said we need to E-mail everybody we know that this HCR Bill has nothing to do with the progressive movement.
We all need to thank people like Jane, who is yelling to masses we don’t like this HCR Bill.
I have a couple – got them to sleep in. Means I don’t have to wear them in public.
Be fair, people. Obama never campaigned on “hope” or “change.”
This is the end of The New Democrat Party.
>flush<
The Gay Rights movement has neber gotten anything from”mainstream” politics.
Ever.
No reason to expect it now.
The REAL problem we must address: the KAPOS of the HRC. These craven upper-middle class creep do NOT represent LGBT America. In the immortal words of Pogo, “We have met the enemy and he is us.”