Comments on: Early Morning Swim: Jane Talks Kill the Bill with Ed Schultz http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/22/early-morning-swim-jane-talks-kill-the-bill-with-ed-schultz/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:21:27 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: shekissesfrogs http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/22/early-morning-swim-jane-talks-kill-the-bill-with-ed-schultz/#comment-2040512 shekissesfrogs Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:59:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=57425#comment-2040512 chalk up another "w" for that appearance! Jane, you must be enemy number one by now. chalk up another “w” for that appearance!
Jane, you must be enemy number one by now.

]]> By: gonalb http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/22/early-morning-swim-jane-talks-kill-the-bill-with-ed-schultz/#comment-2040509 gonalb Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:12:56 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=57425#comment-2040509 I agree totally and have mentioned this a few times, although I felt that refusing the mandate would definitely incur a fine. By declaring our intention to not obey the mandate you also in effect halt the whole current HCR in its tracks. That is because the provision that is placed on insurers to accept all comers and to cease rescinding will become untenable for them. In effect they would need to insure a large group of very costly sick people, relying only on their premiums and subsidies. The outcry from private insurers would be heard loud and clear by a compliant WH and Congress, but it would suit our purpose of defeating this horrid so called reform. I think non-compliance with the mandate is an excellent strategy to pursue by the left and all attempts to carry this out now should be undetaken. If this were chess we would be using our pieces to godd effect. We should make this intention public and forcefully now. I agree totally and have mentioned this a few times, although I felt that refusing the mandate would definitely incur a fine.

By declaring our intention to not obey the mandate you also in effect halt the whole current HCR in its tracks. That is because the provision that is placed on insurers to accept all comers and to cease rescinding will become untenable for them. In effect they would need to insure a large group of very costly sick people, relying only on their premiums and subsidies.

The outcry from private insurers would be heard loud and clear by a compliant WH and Congress, but it would suit our purpose of defeating this horrid so called reform.

I think non-compliance with the mandate is an excellent strategy to pursue by the left and all attempts to carry this out now should be undetaken. If this were chess we would be using our pieces to godd effect. We should make this intention public and forcefully now.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/22/early-morning-swim-jane-talks-kill-the-bill-with-ed-schultz/#comment-2040502 MarkH Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:39:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=57425#comment-2040502 I believe Jane is sincere and as honest as she can be. I don't doubt her one bit. But... Isn't it clear that Joe "60th vote" Lieberman and his pals have killed the Medicare-for-all idea? Jane really can oppose this bill all she wants, but to get reform without going through that wall of opposition requires compromises she isn't willing to make. So, what do the 45,000 do if Joe says no to Medicare-for-all? We fight for the public option and get this legislation passed. I believe Jane is sincere and as honest as she can be. I don’t doubt her one bit. But…

Isn’t it clear that Joe “60th vote” Lieberman and his pals have killed the Medicare-for-all idea? Jane really can oppose this bill all she wants, but to get reform without going through that wall of opposition requires compromises she isn’t willing to make.

So, what do the 45,000 do if Joe says no to Medicare-for-all?

We fight for the public option and get this legislation passed.

]]> By: lesizmor http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/22/early-morning-swim-jane-talks-kill-the-bill-with-ed-schultz/#comment-2040495 lesizmor Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:00:03 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=57425#comment-2040495 What no one is saying is that this whole legislative fiasco should be killed right now..............then, *don't wait for the next election*, begin *immediately* making all the right noises, protests, actions, sit-ins, letters.........in far greater intensity. That will set the stage *right now* for the change we want.......waiting for the next election will let the issue go fallow.......of course, finding and promoting the right candidates is key, but the noise machine needs to re-double its efforts What no one is saying is that this whole legislative fiasco should be killed right now…………..then, *don’t wait for the next election*, begin *immediately* making all the right noises, protests, actions, sit-ins, letters………in far greater intensity. That will set the stage *right now* for the change we want…….waiting for the next election will let the issue go fallow…….of course, finding and promoting the right candidates is key, but the noise machine needs to re-double its efforts

]]> By: madma http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/22/early-morning-swim-jane-talks-kill-the-bill-with-ed-schultz/#comment-2040488 madma Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:41:27 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=57425#comment-2040488 In 2010, you work to elect real progressives and pass a better bill. otherwise, continue to say we have to support dems or get repubs and the dems just continue to fool you into thinking they are not already bought and paid for by the corporations. In 2010, you work to elect real progressives and pass a better bill.

otherwise, continue to say we have to support dems or get repubs and the dems just continue to fool you into thinking they are not already bought and paid for by the corporations.

]]> By: sangemon http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/22/early-morning-swim-jane-talks-kill-the-bill-with-ed-schultz/#comment-2040441 sangemon Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:31:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=57425#comment-2040441 Is that supposed to mean something? Is that supposed to mean something?

]]> By: sangemon http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/22/early-morning-swim-jane-talks-kill-the-bill-with-ed-schultz/#comment-2040440 sangemon Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:30:38 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=57425#comment-2040440 That's helpful. You call me a fucking retard and then have the gall to try and make a point? How old are you? That’s helpful.

You call me a fucking retard and then have the gall to try and make a point?

How old are you?

]]> By: solerso http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/22/early-morning-swim-jane-talks-kill-the-bill-with-ed-schultz/#comment-2040439 solerso Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:38:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=57425#comment-2040439 what kind of a fucking retard, cant undserstand, that given the choice of doing nothing, and doing harm, doing nothing is both more ethical, and the safest course?! again. sounds like someone has some narrow self interest in play [<em>Modnote: please find another word than "retard" as that is very hurtful</em>] what kind of a fucking retard, cant undserstand, that given the choice of doing nothing, and doing harm, doing nothing is both more ethical, and the safest course?! again. sounds like someone has some narrow self interest in play

[Modnote: please find another word than "retard" as that is very hurtful]

]]> By: solerso http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/22/early-morning-swim-jane-talks-kill-the-bill-with-ed-schultz/#comment-2040438 solerso Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:36:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=57425#comment-2040438 sounds like someones more worried about political jobbies. sounds like someones more worried about political jobbies.

]]> By: sangemon http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/22/early-morning-swim-jane-talks-kill-the-bill-with-ed-schultz/#comment-2040437 sangemon Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:34:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=57425#comment-2040437 So your answer is do nothing? Let things just go on as they are? Sounds to me like you've just joined the Party of NO. So your answer is do nothing? Let things just go on as they are?

Sounds to me like you’ve just joined the Party of NO.

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