Newsweek has an unhappy prediction for LGBT Americans for 2010: nothing will happen on Capitol Hill as the White House draws exactly the wrong lessons from the Democrats’ 1994 debacle:
Patience became the 2009 mantra of the gay rights movement, which generally supports Democrats. Many activists believe that in his heart Obama supports their flagship issues: the ability to serve openly in the armed forces, to be protected from employment in the workplace, and the right to marry (even though he’s on record as favoring civil unions over marriage). But they’ve received almost nothing for their troubles. What the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered community has learned this year is that the president is ultimately a pragmatist. Although his very presence in the White House is the stuff of culture wars, Obama himself is reluctant to wade into one. Moreover, if socially divisive policies have the potential to compromise his legislative agenda, Obama has proven that he simply won’t pursue them. Expect this tension to become more acute as the 2010 elections loom-and for gay rights to be shunted aside again. The last thing this pragmatist president will do is hand election-year ammunition to an already energized conservative base that’s venomously opposed to gay marriage.
No action on DADT. No action on DOMA. No action on ENDA. No action on immigration equality for separated families. No action on adoption rights.
Further discouraging an already skeptical and disaffected component within the demoralized Democratic base seems like a wonderful strategy for handing control of Congress to the GOP/BlueDog coalition.
Adam Bink points to two reasons why Newsweek’s logic is faulty:
(a) Obama’s approval rating among Republicans in general has averaged between 10% and 20% over the last several months, and even hit single digits. So I have no doubt it’s even worse among the conservative base, teabaggers, etc.
[snip]
Moving on progressive issues, aka keeping your promises, will always piss off conservatives, and that is part of the ballgame. Inaction on progressive issues isn’t going to suddenly make conservatives happier. And if you’re worried about making them mad, LGBT issues are no worse than any of his other major initiatives, like health care.(b) If Newsweek is thinking about about energized voters, did they happen to notice an already energized LGBT movement that is pissed as hell at inaction and repeated slights by this Administration? As Mike Lux pointed out, 1994 was lost in major part because the base stays home. If Obama and Democrats in Congress really want to know what, to quote George W. Bush, a “thumpin’” feels like, they should take no action on LGBT issues and watch scores of LGBT people stay home.
Rahm Emanuel and Barack Obama draw the wrong lessons about where progressives LBGTs will go in 2010. It’s not that we’ll vote for the talibangelical GOP. After all, we’re not total idiots. We know those people would just as soon Ugandize our asses as look at us.
The danger is that we will stay at home. And we’ll stay at home not just on Election Day, but on every phone-banking, neighborhood-walking, vote-by-mailing, voter-IDing, precinct-organizing, campaign-blogging day before that. That’s a lot of wo/manpower to run a mid-term campaign without.
Moreover: We are the opinion leaders in our small communities. We are the folks our less engaged friends look to for guidance. Most people don’t pay attention to politics like we do, and they expect us to tell them what’s important and what matters. If our reaction when asked about electing Democrats again in 2010 is ‘meh’ will that motivate the less-engaged among them to vote? Expect a lot of “wait, you said you weren’t excited about that?” when we try to drag them out to the polls on Election Day 2010.
What will we say to them, “Oh, but the Democrats have promised us they’ll move on our issues now!” They’ll laugh at us.
And they’ll be right. Elections have consequences, we’re always told. If Election Day 2008 doesn’t have more positive consequences for LGBT Americans by Election Day 2010, you can expect more passivity from us, Mr President. You will have earned it. See, elections do have consequences.



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*sigh*
Evening, Teddy. A very discouraging time we live in. I am beginning to think that the Obama administration is going to be the ultimate do nothing presidency.
teddy! gonna be more than pissed off gays sitting on the sidelines.
I think Newsweek is right that nothing will happen, but wrong as to why. I think nothing will happen because Obama doesn’t want anything to happen. I think he was lying through his teeth about being a “fierce advocate” rather than him dodging the issue as a matter of political convenience.
Obama’s gonna have a hell of a time running another hope-and-change campaign in three years. Does he actually plan to accomplish something besides more warmongering and corporatocracy, or is he just planning to throw in the towel?
I already am considering sitting out the presidential elections in 2012 for the first time in what will then be 40 years of voting.
It really is pretty pathetic. All we have to show is lots of meaningless pretty words with precious little tangible results.
It’s not just the LGBT’s. People are waking up. I have talked to friends, and neighbors. In fact along with peace Fresno we table and register voters, voters who now want to change their registrations from dem to independent or decline to state in droves. They feel betrayed and lied to. The last time I saw this was before the last election when Republics were defecting to dem. We are losing every single one of them and lots of our own. Just my 2 cents.
If it was possible to indict someone for political malpractice, Rahm Emanuel would be eligible. He’s taken Hope & Change and turned it into Nope, Nothing Changed.
Good evening, all.
The sidelines will be crowded next year, I fear, unless the President does some re-thinking and housecleaning over his Hawaiian vacation.
Obama is going to be the target of some Fierce Advocacy of our own if he doesn’t get with the program he promised in ALL sorts of ways. And we can be Fierce!
Oh, I imagine Obama will have a real come-to-Jesus moment about late 2011, get all new advisers and try to look like an outsider. After all, W fooled enough folks in 2004, why should Barack think he can’t?
yup
At least with Obama things aren’t getting worse. Repubs just want anyone out of the closet to go away or die. Don’t sit it out or that just may come to pass.
I will definitely be voting next year, but only because our sole loathsome Rethug representatitve may actually have a viable opponent. I might even make a pact with the Devil to get rid of Rehberg.
I was telling some of my gay students last spring that it has been far too long since Stonewall. The political reality is that nice guys get eaten by the sharks.
the only donations i’m gonna make are through fdl — i sure as hell aint donating to the dccc or any of them other forkers.
i do love using those enclosed envelopes to return their solicitations with no public option no $$$ written in red ink across it.
By now we should all know that the Obama Administration isn’t going to do anything they promised. Time to move on.
Things are getting worse.
People are being fired every day from their jobs for being LGBT, because he hasn’t moved on ENDA and their states have no protection. In this economy, that broken promise can make things worse in a real big hurry.
The political reality is that the LGBT national organizations have been taken over by careerist hucksters because there’s so much money in it.
*sigh*
It’s a question of deciding what “move on” means, though, isn’t it?
Perhaps had the focus been on ENDA and housing protections and survivors benefits for social security instead of marriage and military, we might have made progress.
Take an already timid president and put him against a backdrop of self inflicted failures, fights picked by conservative homosexuals on their terms in which they got creamed, and there is no political cover for moving on LGBT rights.
Even if there were, there would be some divisiveness put forth that played LGB against T in a way that both further sowed divisions and accomplished nothing legislatively.
not just lgbt — women’s issues too. naral. its all about list building and access gaining and not about doing what they are supposed to actually do.
I think we need some grassroots organizing and mobilization. If our leaders will not lead us, then we need to lead them.
Right. Those beasts need to be starved.
Aravosis is on that with “Don’t ask, Don’t Give.”
http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/6006/t/5410/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=727
DNC called me a few weeks ago and I read the the riot act and then hung up on them.
Hi Teddy.
Rahm is an evil bastard but whether due to fecklessness, corporate servitude, moral cowardice (or all three) the fault for this administrations failings are Obama’s alone.
Conservatives WILL vote in the midterms, regardless of what Dems do. If Dems were smart (laughs bitterly), they would spend the next 10 months taking steps to energize their own base. Sorry Barry, sending Axelrod out on a misinformation tour doesn’t quite cut it.
Energizing the base means fucking doing something for them and not just spewing a lot of pretty words and claiming victory when you got your ass handed to you.
yup. pbo has done NOTHING for his base. well his base of votors. he has done wonders for his corporate base.
Don’t let the ELITES TRICK YOU!!!
Barack Obama is not a Democrat. Just like Clinton he wants to work with Republicans. (if progressives stay home and don’t vote for strong progressives the people pulling Obama strings WIN.)
Barack Obama is not stupid! He is a good actor and speaker just like Ronald Reagan was.
Progressive must learn how to control the game. What is Ben Nelson? A Democrat? What is stopping a Progressive Candidate from talking like a Republican on the campaign trail and transforming into a PROGRESSIVE when he or she gets to Congress. NOTHING!!! Remember this is what Barack Obama done.
If you control the people who knock on doors, make the phone calls, you play a major roll in choosing who becomes King!
We progressive need to organize! The network we used to help democrats get elected in 2008 is organizing and thinking outside of the box.
I truly believe Barack Obama would love to work with a republican congress. (He would then come back in the 2012 campaign screaming he needs more Dems in congress, to help him)
What has Barack Obama done to advance progressive causes? Not much.
David Axelrod and Robert Gibbs know how to win elections the campaigns in 2010 and 2012 are going to be BASE elections. Why piss off your BASE?
It is all an ACT PEOPLE?
We piss off the progressives in 2010, we know this will make them stay home. (remember Obama wants to do conservative stuff)
Come 2012 Progressives will be so piss at the Republicans, they will come back in vote for us. (this is how David Axelrod and Robert Gibbs wants to use Progressives)
Ever heard of the “ROPE A DOPE”
Progressives don’t let Barack Obama do the “Rope A Dope” to you
When do the troops come home? 2011
Why 2011? Barack Obama will preach from every mountain in the USA shouting to Progressives in 2011 how he is bringing the Troops Home.
However, in 2012 if he gets re- elected, he will screw Progressives again. It is all a Game!
You beat them at their game by using the tricks they use on you.
Remember when Politician get to CONGRESS or the White House, they can TRANSFORM into anything they want to. Ask Barack Obama!
Actually, considering that Rahm was the guy who gave us NAFTA, yeah, he’s going to go down as the guy who crippled two Democratic presidencies in their first years. (See, Rahm thinks they lost in 1994 because they didn’t have a healthcare bill, not because of the NAFTA and DADT betrayals that demoralized different sectors of the Democratic base.)
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Teedy Partridge and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I have a different take on what GLBT and progressive constituencies should do in 2010 and it doesn’t involve stayin’ home, quite the contrary. GLBT issues may be the best issues to keep progressive constituencies in the game in many important states includin’ California and in other states like Nevada and Arkansas, coalitions of progressives, labor and GLBT’s can give ObamaRahma the failures needed to turn this next election into an epic fail for neo-Clintonian politics.
GLBT issues and a healthy anti-war movement can turn this country around but make no mistake, the target must be clear…we need to hang the failure of hrealthcare reform and the wars in the Middle East right around Obama’s neck and the only way we do that is take the issues we still have and ram ‘em right down his throat.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE CAN’T WIN IF WE DON’T FIGHT!!
Yep, I suspect that after a year of kicking progressives in the teeth they couldn’t turn things around if they wanted to. I don’t care how much cash they have in their coffers from sucking off insurance and drug companies… it won’t be enough.
DADT repeal and ENDA are supported by two-thirds of the American people.
If Obama won’t move on those issues because he’s afraid of what the right-wingers will say about him, what issues will he move on?
hey norske — good to see ya again *waving*
I think we agree on this.
Makes one wonder who he’s working for, doesn’t it?
I mean, how does someone go into Wall Street and make eighteen million dollars in two years, anyway? Without some pretty hefty sponsorship, I mean.
he has exactly the same problem with health care reform. *sigh*
Nothing that Olympia Snowe and Joe Lieberman do not approve.
It was probably an overstatement on my part to say the fault is Obama’s alone. Having said that, Rahm is the president’s dog. When a dog harms people, the owner is held responsible. (The dog typically gets put down but I don’t want to stretch this analogy too far.)
I’m planning to be pissed off and to vote – for people who aren’t part of the establishment in the party, as much as I can. If that requires voting third party, so be it: the Dem party
manipulatorsmanagement deserves what’s coming, after this last year.the mod squad thanks you :)
Feauxbama is my pet name for our liar in chief. Fake health “reform”. Fake credit card “reform” Fake mortgage relief. Fake promises of 2008. It was all lies.
Obama is a fake.
His foot dragging on LGBT rights is no anomaly. He intends to do nothing to help anybody but corporations.
I think its going to be a lot more than just the queers sitting out the next few elections.
Democrats have betrayed most of their entire base at this point. Feauxbama leads the party. Arrogance and corruption are his marching orders.
How about we get energized and kick out the folks in congress who fold when challenged?
Okay to swat him with a newspaper?
I think Obama is getting very bad advice from a number of directions (his financial team for instance), but as Harry Truman observed, the buck stops with him. He is the one who chooses his advisers and decides to follow their advice.
anything the right-wingers want?
Keep trying but it is a work in progress…
metaphorically speaking, of course :)
Works for me. I am already part of the movement to oust Mad Max, who has seriously pissed off a lot of the Dems here in Montana. Of course there are also rumors floating that he will not run again, which would be even better.
I’m energized to let my
corporaconservadem senator go pound sand for volunteers and small donations, and send them instead to a candidate who’ll fight for the things a democrat should fight for, even if that candidate is clear across the country.I’d rather volunteer phone-banking minutes to Alan Grayson than my DINO senator, and thanks to modern technology, I can. I’d rather send donations to Donna Edwards than the DCCC directly, and thanks to ActBlue, I can.
I wonder: How effective would a “public divestment” tactic be?
Also, he didn’t hire Rahm and a gang of Wall St. insiders unintentionally, he knew what he was getting.
Based on what evidence? Wishin’ and a hopin’ and a prayin’ don’t make it so. Obama is a Chicago Machine Politician. Not a sincere bone in his body.
You know, Rahm played a very quiet role in the Obama campaign if he played one at all. I for one did not think I was buying Rahm when I bought into Obama. I was very surprised — and disappointed — when he was chosen as CoS.
Always has been.
I can’t remember a year when I was vary enthusiastic about the D candidate, or any of the others, except in a very negative way (‘Hell, no, I’m not voting for that one!’).
Yep. Especially with Rahm as they were both from Illinois.
That’s true enough. Rahm was pretty much out of sight before the election. It was about the time he showed up that O went hard to the right, and I don’t think that’s unconnected.
There have been one or two over the years, but mostly it has always been a vote against some insane, evil Republican (first one was Nixon).
I hear that’s happening here in Ohio too. People have very very long memories here.
I tried to make the point that there’s a lot more contributed by the base beyond simply voting. The people Obama’s pissing off are the BASE — the workers who make the party move and shake, the folks who get voters registered, fired up, interested, to the polls, to rallies and meetings.
If we aren’t interested because we’ve been talked down to by electeds like John Kerry talking about “liberals” or widows like Vicki Kennedy with her “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good” or Rahm with his “I’ve got the left under control” then it isn’t OUR fault.
It’s their fault.
I’ll buy the notion that he is insincere, not a Chicago pol though, as that would require a level of competence he does no appear to possess.
He rose too quickly to assimilate any of the lessons one acquires from experience in governance.
Oy, vey, Tricky Dicky …. Me, too.
Anything The Owners want, certainly.
John Aravosis has organized a “Don’t Ask, Don’t Give” drive to let the institutional Democratic players in Washington know that until LGBT demands are met, the gAyTM is closed.
Yeah and balls, which he also does not have.
This is typical Newsweak Right Wing Blather:
The exact opposite is true. If Obama took a stand for gay rights. Feck, if Obama took a stand on ANY liberal cause, he would be a lock in 2012. Newsweak is right wing propaganda rag. It is a pack of lies.
Both of the nominees in the nineteen-seventies (McGovern, Carter) were exactly who I thought my party, and my country, needed.
Precisely.
If this fiasco of leadership circa 2009 shows anything, it’s that the solutions are not in electoral politics. It’s in movements. Unfortunately, most people are too busy with their lives – staying in jobs they hate so they can have health care etc. – to really get active. We don’t have a history of overthrowing governments in this nation. Only voting for the lesser of two evils every two or four years, and even in the best years the voting percentage is no more than fifty percent.
Obama could never be our savior. Not in this system. Then again, it would be nice if he weren’t quite such an empty suit.
Also when the leaks started.
I’ve voted in every presidential election since 1980, always for what I perceived as the lesser of evils. The choice seemed a little clearer in ’08 but I am no longer convinced McCain would have been all that much worse. I’m still very glad Palin is not in the line of succession.
All the rightwing nuts can do is blather and froth at the mouth more loudly and more unattractively. I think Obama would want to encourage that behavior, as it makes his coolness seem so appealing by contrast.
I’ve been thinking for a long time that Rahm got the call for COS before the election. I don’t have evidence, but just a gut feeling from looking at the transition team. (Messina for instance.)
This “hard right” thing was no accident of Rahm showing up, it was IMPLEMENTING the real deal by picking the players. Just my opinion.
And what did that accomplish? Two things. The advent of the Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Tom Delay era. And a Bill Clinton administration that moved farther to the right, triangulating with the conservatives to gut Glass-Steagall.
If the base stays home, Republicans win. And that will only prompt Obama to move even farther right in turn.
But if those on the left, outraged with Obama, want to do something more constructive with their anger they will work to elect more progressives to Congress. That is the only viable option. And each supporter of the LGBT coalition must weigh each individual Congressional race. If the Republican candidate is much more reactionary than the Democratic candidate and has a real chance to win, staying home would be a fiasco.
I share that opinion.
Time for me to toddle off. This all entirely too depressing, so I am going to try to sleep it off. Take care all.
I think the LGBT community won’t be the only ones staying home, at least on the days running up to the election. I have no interest in helping the people who have created this mess of a health care “reform” bill. I suspect I’ll need all my money for other things, and I can’t imagine spending my time helping people who have betrayed us so badly. New candidates, yes. People who have tried to do the right thing, maybe. Everyone else can screw themselves.
And I don’t blame gays one bit for being honked off. Neither Obama nor Congress have been at all interested in their problems.
Find better people. Put them in Congress. Anything else is a waste of time and money.
Newswack is attempting to call the shots. No Obama, don’t touch gay marriage. The huge (cough) Palin crowd will go apeshit on ya.
g’nite dr (pause) dick
I hope people will support progressive challengers. I can’t see supporting many incumbents though.
Sleep well.
Right after Obama cinched the nomination, and flipped on FISA, I started watching very closely. Wrote this:
http://theunconventionalconventionist.blogspot.com/2008/06/meet-jason-furman-economic-policy.html
SO all these people discovering the corporate ties and the Hamilton Project, I say, feh. It was all out there.
The point for me was, the primary was over, we were then into General territory, and to vote for the alternative was inconceivable. I just didn’t think it’d go so south so fast.
And I have zero expectations about any progress on GLBT issues. None.
Alan Grayson.
Certainly not Barbara Boxer, after she decided to fundraise on her “success” negotiating away a woman’s right to choose with Ben Nelson tonight.
It is no surprise that fully half of our party was/is infected. The New Democrat coalition and the Blue Dogs are really no surprise. We knew that half of our party is corrupt while the entire Rethug Party is totally corrupt.
What is interesting is that the corrupt D faction weilds such great power over the others. The mothers just bend in the breeze.
Kirk Murphy was blogging about the Hamilton Project here in late 2007. None of that was news to me. But I was worried about Hillary being too much of a corporatist after Edwards dropped out. Ha-ha.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Teddy partridge and the firepup freedom fighters:
The GLBT community has every right to be angry enough to turn the Democrats out…but in order to do that the GLBT activists hafta learn to make coalitions with progressive constituencies like labor and the anti-war left. Such coalitions were cultivated in the struggle in over Prop8 in California and the GLBT community could be the catalist for a new politics in the mess that is California in 2010.
The healthcare bill is a failure that must be hung around Obama’s neck but we can’t do that unless we take the issues that belong to us that will not go away likeGay Rights, the wars in the ME and jobs and bankin’ reform. Don’t pout and don’t stay home…organize for Christ’s sake!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN AMMUNITION, ALL THEY GOT IS THE WORTHLESS MONEY!!
Appears the only progress on LGBT issues in the near term will happen at the state level. More often than not even that seems like one step forward and two back. Still have to credit the few places that have enacted some measure of reform and managed to retain it.
Well, Hillary was/is a corporatist. IMHO, we would be in exactly the same boat. Here she is as SOS and warmongering like all get out.
i didn’t see much difference between hillary and barack during the primary.
i will say that hillary does appear to have more balls than barack does — she is willing to fight for what she believes in…
This is the one loophole Obama can possibly slip through when I try to grasp his decisions as president. Maybe he is in fact just an incompetent chief executive. Maybe he is led by the nose by inside the beltway crony capitalist types who know how to do that when they have the chance.
I remember reading once that Obama ran for the job never in a million years actually believing he would win in 2008. Just a trial run for 2012 or 2016. Could he just be in way over his head? He was just a so-so Senator for 4 years. And won that race against Alan Keyes!!
That’s all I have left to cling to now. He’s not a Wall Street con man, he’s inept.
How pathetic is that….
Unfortunately, she seems to believe in bombing Iran.
Kirk is always way ahead of li’l ol me. So I’m not surprised.
Where IS he? I saw him comment the other day, can’t remember what thread, but we could use some good ol Kirk at The Seminal.
I saw “Don’t Ask Don’t Give” when it first started, I think it’s a great idea.
The only thing I would suggest is to not just withhold donations, but to redirect them to better candidates, and then send an email to the pols who lost out on the money explaining where the donations went instead, and why.
sigh
Teddy, I will vote for my local critters in ’10…! However, I will not be voting for Obama in ’12 and I caucused for Obama, the better half did so for Hillary, needless to say, we’re both sorely disappointed…! 8-(
Hiya Teddy! Hiya Firepups!
Happy Holidays.
Running for the presidency and running the country are two entirely different skill sets. There’s a reason a couple of our best presidents (TR, Truman) succeeded to the office as Veep and then ran as incumbents. But that only takes you so far; sometimes the skill set to run for president and the skill set to be president are both lacking (e.g. Ford).
‘lo Kass, happy happy to you!
To be fair, every new president is in over their head. By the time they grow into the job they’re usually on their way out. Be nice if they could at least start out with sincere good intentions but at this point I am unable to believe that was ever true of Obama.
Howdy Kass. Happy holidays to you.
happy ho ho ho cassie
I think Obama has been a giant disappointment.
My optimist friend Bob says not to lose hope although it sounds like, “FEED ME.” You have to know him well to be able to read between the lines. :)
Hang in there everybody, we may have lost some battles but we haven’t lost the war.
Aloha, y’all.
Agree.
And who’s ordering the bombing on Yemen?
Big bad Hillary?
Nite Rat and Bob.
To be fair, I think President Cheney was ready to go from Day One. His understudy, though, never mastered anything but the play-acting part.
aloha rat and bob
I wrote a book review a few weeks ago that included this paragraph.
My feelings haven’t changed.
This point connects with the most paralyzing truth of all. With at least 75% of congress having already sold out, what can possibly change that (short of millions in the streets)?
It’s not effective even in the medium term to expect a change in the corruption quotient. We can run progressives and back them financially, but can we truly expect to win when corporate money dwarfs whatever $$$ we can scrape together?
Voting people out of office used to be a legitimate threat to the crooks in DC, but there is SO MUCH MONEY for the corporatists to dole out that living on $5-10 million for the rest of your life (even without the accompanying lobbyist position) is no hardship. Under these existing conditions, one-term is plenty to ensure extreme wealth in your family and their families.
Watch CSPAN here — last few minutes of debate before the big vote in half an hour. Tom Harkin is throwing himself on Ted Kennedy’s casket currently.
Here
Kirk has had some Copenhagen diaries at the Seminal, I think. About COP15, not from there, to clarify.
Cass, you never fail to impress me…! *g*
I started that paper referring to Obama Propaganda, but softened it as I went.
and there ya go. they have truly befouled that word
Prop 8 cast a pall over the celebration last november – I don’t plan on supporting any one who has not worked their ass off to right this wrong – jesus Teddy, imagine the LGBT community sitting out SF in 2010. granted it’s been years, but the community was heavily involved in SF Party Machine Infrastructure during my time there – things could get dicey
Who am I kidding, he’s ineptly sincere more than anything else.
*gasp* Ya went moderate on us…? ;-)
I am as liberal as liberal gets.
There aren’t many incumbents I’m motivated to support, either. The only one in my area (not my congressman) I’d consider supporting is Jim McDermott. He’s in the district up the road, and if his margin of victory is less than 15 percent next time I’ll be shocked.
There is ‘Hope’ in dope…! ;-)
Aloha, RF…!
GaySF Inc won’t sit out 2010, Nancy will be re-elected. The machine is gay through and through, as is the opposition to it.
Fine. Withhold your support and stay home on election day 2010. And watch the Democrats lose seats in the US House and US Senate.
Or, contribute funds and support to a primary challenge of Reid. And keep whacking away at the problems we face.
It shouldn’t matter to me. I’m a middle aged white man with no kids and enough money to get by for the rest of my life.
But for my part, I’m supporting Democrats in 2010. All of ‘em. Because they’re the lesser of the evils.
Part of the problem is that progressives are just flat outnumbered. Add the Republicans and the “moderate” Democrats together (and by “moderate”, I mean basically all the Blue Dogs and DLCers), and they’re outnumbered by about three to one. There need to be more progressives in both houses of Congress. Until there are, I don’t expect things to be a whole lot different.
I wrote about this a few months ago, incidentally. Nothing I thought back then is substantially different from what I think now.
There should be a big flashing light, a loud buzz and a terrible smell pumped in the Senate for when Senators lie their asses off from the Floor.
Maybe they’d do it less. McConnel is just pissing me off.
Nonsense. The answer is to keep trying to elect people who represent our values. We can now support candidates anywhere in the country, at least financially. Simply saying that the Democrats are the lesser of evils and that we should support them is just perpetuating the problem.
It would just end up being like car alarms. No one even looks, because they go off all the time.
Do you really read from this diary that I am actually ADVOCATING staying at home? Don’t you think I’d rather see Obama earn our support?
And, despite your savings that have you set for life, none of us is more than one critical illness away from bankruptcy and homelessness under the current system.
Liveblogging the Senate vote with David Dayen.
Tell me, Cujo359, who on the Republican side represents our values?
late late nite is upstairs
We can turn that around, jjfhom: Who, of any power or influence or significance on the Democratic side, represents our values?
There are reasons why there’s been no action on ENDA, DADT, and DOMA — and it’s not the Republicans. It’s our side being, at minimum, craven cowards…and in some cases, probable closet homophobes.
This is just me, but I’d prefer to be fighting an enemy in front of me than to have a self-declared friend stabbing me repeatedly in the back.
Teddy, you have every right to be angry. But if you think the Log Cabin folks or Sarah Palin will help, you’re dead wrong.
The system isn’t perfect. Only a fool believes otherwise. But, for my part, I’m absolutely certain a third party candidate ain’t gonna win the White House in 2012. And damned few of ‘em, if any, will win a US House or US Senate seat in 2010 or 2012. Have I missed a viable alternative candidate or party?
OK Becca. I heard the same arguments during the 2000 Presidential election. The folks who supported Ralph Nader really won that one.
Gonna agree with Becca on that one. Just got out of the Army this year, and repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was one huge thing I honestly hoped and expected would get done this year or next. Shame on me for being so optimistic.
However, it’s not that different with the GOP. Neither party likes talking about gay issues, because most people don’t care that much about them, and even people sympathetic don’t want to risk the political capital cost that comes from spearheading an effect. Like someone said before- just cowardice.
I’m probably staying home in 2010 as well. This election cycle has been a total letdown. I’m not afraid of the GOP- we’ve had them in power for quite a while and I prefer taking shots at them than someone like Obama that so much of the country believes is really liberal.
Kelly Canfield, McConnell is SUPPOSED to piss you off. That is what he’s on the Senate floor to do. Question is, are you gonna let him get your goat, or are you gonna work for progress in the future? The choice is yours….
OK zeroguardian03. Stay home in 2010. Let me know how that works out for you in 2011-2012. Tell me when McConnell and that crowd of homophobes repeals DOMA.
President Obama never struck me as a liberal. He’s a moderate, near as I can tell. Which would you really rather have had had; McCain-Palin or Obama-Biden? I guarandamntee you McCain and Palin would have pissed you off even more than Obama-Biden.
Stay home in 2012, by all means. But don’t come bitchin’ to me when when your civil rights are further restricted under Romney or Palin or Huckabee.
Love your post. I am as gay as a tree full of parrots and I am NOT voting in 2010. There won’t be anyone worth voting for where I live. However, I WILL send money to people like Raul Grijalva (a great fighter for us for many years) and Alan Grayson, Peter DeFazio, etc. Folks that have supported us gays AND have had the balls to stand-up to and/or actually criticize god, er, um, i mean, Obama.
Like many in the LGBT, I too am disappointed but unlike many, I never thought Obama was an ally. If you looked closely at him during the the LGBT forum during the primaries, he was visibly uncomfortable and didn’t appear at all interested in being there. I don’t think in his heart of hearts he really gives a shit about us. So, if you’re LGBT, without health insurance and your home is about to be foreclosed – I think you are SOL with this president!
Btw, ANY primary or even general election candidate who runs against Obama in 2012 will have my support as if my entire life depended on it. Maxed-out financial donations and even time away from my business to get rid of this fucking phony. I actually think that, strategically, it’s better for OUR liberal senators filibuster a GOP prez than be COMPLICIT in advancing a conservative agenda WILLINGLY just because the fucker has a nominal “D” after his name. I REALLY hope – though I know it’s wishful thinking – that Howard Dean challenges Obama in the 2012 Dem Primary, a la, Bill Bradley in 2000. BUT, this time, I think ENOUGH liberals would vote Dean that he actaully could have a chance at winning and ousting Obama in our party’s primary.
For example, I am planning on making it my mission in life to oust Plantation Blanche Lincoln in a Democratic Primary next year IF Bill Halter runs. Apparently, he’s waiting for enough people on the Left to urge him to run and promise to support him before he makes a decision to run against her. ActBlue said the same thing to me regarding a “Draft Bill Halter” fundraising page: if enough people contact ActBlue to request it…a GROUNDSWELL of us progressives, then ActBlue WILL indeed create the “Draft Bill Halter” page.
I also plan on giving $ to Joe Sestak against that fossil, Arlen Specter in the PA Dem Primary.
Does it really matter anymore? We worked our asses off in 2006 and 2008 and what has that gotten us?
Good, boyblue. Stay home in 2010. Withhold your vote. Let me know how that works out for you.
How’s it working for you (us) now?
Yes gip2009, we worked our asses off. We, you and I and thousands of others, raised money and caucused and struggled for Obama-Biden and Begich and many, many others. And we’re fucking angry that this healthcare bill and other legislation we thought we were getting and deserved is not as we wanted.
I’m angry too. But I also understand politics in America. Let’s get what we can for now. The process in this country is that of two steps forward and one step back. I don’t like it any more than you, but that is the reality of today. We can keep struggling for what we know is right, or we can give up. I choose to fight on.
Rahm Emanuel and Barack Obama draw the wrong lessons about …
EVERYTHING!
2010 will certainly be a massacre for democrats. obama has done everything possible to decimate the foot soldiers that put him in office and gave democrats dominating control of Congress. Neither obama or the Democratic Congress have come close to delivering – just the opposite. Nobodies showing up in 2010 or 2012 to put them back in power.
obama will lose in 2012 unless the republicans run one of their batshit crazy stooges for POTUS, and even then any obama victory will be the slimmest of margins.
obama and emanuel have totally effed up the historic opportunity they had for progressive change in the country.
I don’t know if it would have been better with Hillary but I do know I like her a hell of lot more. I felt ambivalent towards Obama in the campaign; now I feel the same loathing for him I had for W. If we are to win this battle and represent the majority of Americans who are progressive, what to do? Do we need to sink into a right wing stink hole in 2010 to convince a primary challenger to run against Obama? There is no hope for Obama. None.
“Find better people. Put ‘em in Congress.”
This is the most productive way to go. Staying home or doing nothing but being “steamed” is counter-productive.
Working against negative forces may be tiring, but it is also energizing because there is something to be excited about, like prospective legislators, the people’s representative responding to the voters’ ire………one of the hallmarks of a representative democracy.
Staying home, not politicking, not voting…….these are *not* options………
Staying at home does nothing, NOTHING, for creating movement on important humanitarian issues that the LGBT and decent communities support. What it will do is maintain the illusion of a two party system and the reality of one party rule. It is absolutely essential that we create at least one 3rd party which represents progressive decency and support them. And, yes, extant Democratic officeholders who truly support and have supported our goals would be welcome in the party.
In afterthought I can’t help but wonder if the DINO’s would then be left with a hollowed-out party and thus be motivated to openly join the Republican monsters they currently support, again,leaving us with a two-party system, albeit one with clearer and more honest demarcations.
Pelosi would win in CD8 even if every LGBT stayed home. We’ve tried to run candidates against her and if we get 10% we’re lucky. She has the town wired and she doesn’t even take constituent comments at her offices–off to voice mail.
To my mind, extracting Wall Street from government is more important to me than same sex marriage. It is even more important to me than housing and job protections for LGBT. Extracting Wall Street from government is probably more important to principled conservatives than abortion or same sex marriage are.
Unless there is a core of progressive Democrats who will stand up inside the Democrat Party and defend the right of an independent progressive party to exist, we will see what happened post-Nader, around 2003 when it became clear that Bush had gone off the deep end, and the Democrat Party launched full bore attacks on the Green Party.
It really does not matter if Palin becomes president, it really does not really matter whether the GOP or Dems control Congress. The difference between the two is insignificant compared to their common ground. To allow yourselves to be so deceived is problematic, to project your political deceptions onto others is untenable.
Gotta wonder if the HRC put the brakes on progress so that they can have the next gala dinner? I remember a sign from the disastrous 2000 march on washington put together by the HRC that read “elect fair minded leaders.” With a political approach like that, it is a wonder that we’re not already first class citizens.
The Democrat/HRC nexus needs to be blown up, politically, not bomb like.
If Obama is more than willing to kick straight Progressives to the curb in order to avoid “tension” and having to take a stand, where do you think the rest of us (minorities, LGBT, and so on) rate?
I’m home in 2010.
Yeah, Right. You show those dems by not voting. That will show them. Seems to me I have heard that refrain before. Lots of dems didn’t vote in order to “punish” those lousey dems. Remember how that worked out? Do you? We wound up with about 12 years of a rethug congress and 8 years of bush. Which almost destroyed the country, no? So who was punished? Really? So youall being poed at Obama because your “cause” was not the first thing that he did will mean that you sit out the 2010 and 2012 elections. Boy that will really punish Obama and the dems won’t it? I believe that this is called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
So you would rather that the rethugs take over once more so that you can “punish” the dems. Smooth, very smooth. Sure, lets get the homophobic rethugs back in power. Then they can push their agenda, the defense of marriage act. The national goal a law that prevents gay marriage. Sure bob, that will really show those dems a thing or 3. Well, if thats what floats your boat, to have the LGBT movement go back about 50 years, then Have at it.
But I will say this, if you stay home in 2010 and the repigs win, then I do not want to hear any wailing and gnashing of teeth. You will have made your bed, so you must sleep in it. A shake of my head and a big sigh of disbelief. How short are your memories? Youall suffer from ADD? You really want the rethug nation to win? They already seem to think that they will win the indies-like me-and that, along with their hard core wing nuts and the fact that so very many dems will “stay home” to “punish” Obama. Well, myself, I think that you are all a bunch of crybaby idiots. Not very smart either. Losers. So, go cry in your soup, don’t vote, let the rethugs win, watch your entire agenda go right down the toilet. I hope you will be satisfied. That you “punished” the only ones on your side and let the reactionaries win. Welcome back to 1950s america, I hope your happy.
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