Five years ago, Thomas Frank wrote “What’s The Matter With Kansas?”, about how the GOP uses cultural populism to dupe rural working-class Americans into supporting pro-corporate policies that hasten their own economic demise. Today’s Obama/Rahm/Reid Democrats have turned that dynamic on its head, in more ways than one.
Not only have Obama and the Senate Democrats adopted pro-corporate policies that will hasten their own political demise, but they have allowed the Republicans to keep their hands clean and pretend to oppose legislation that they would have happily championed a few years ago. Some of the most egregious examples:
- Candidate Obama pushed for the TARP bailout,which ended up passing with far more Democratic votes than Republican ones, in both the House and the Senate.
- Obama nominated Ben Bernanke for another term as Chairman of the Fed, despite his failure to see the meltdown coming, and his utter lack of concern about unemployment. A majority of the Republicans on the Senate Banking Committee voted against him, but only one Democrat.
- Obama and Senate Democrats are pushing vigorously for a disastrous crippled abomination of a health care bill which would deliver the insurance industry a huge captive market without requiring them to give up anything meaningful in return. No public option, no drug reimportation, no meaningful ban on rescission, and they can still put caps on annual payouts.
Better yet, all of those lower-income lucky duckies who get subsidized insurance premiums will find their co-pays and deductibles to be so high that they can’t afford to actually use the insurance they were forced to buy, making them even more of a (taxpayer-sponsored) windfall for the insurance industry.
And how many Republicans are supporting this hideous unpopular corporate giveaway? Not a one. If it becomes law, the Democrats will own it in its entirety on election day.
The end result of all this braindead Democratic fuckery is that the Republicans no longer have to rely solely on cultural resentment to paint themselves as common-man populists protecting the little guy from big-city liberal elitists – now they can point to actual policy. “Look, we were the ones who voted against giving Wall Street hundreds of billions of dollars, who voted against that tool at the Fed who doesn’t care about your job, who voted against forcing you to spend your hard-earned money on junk insurance you can’t afford to use. Obama and the Democrats are screwing you over to funnel money to corporate fatcats, and we’re trying to stop them.”
Strip out all the racist/birther/deather/eliminationist garbage, and that’s pretty much the teabagger narrative in a nutshell. As Jane alludes to, we may have actually reached a point where have more in common with the teabaggers than we do with our own party (on policy, anyway). Populists and activists at both ends of the spectrum are now finding common ground in the fight against corporatism (or as our conservative counterparts like to call it, “socialism”).
Unless Obama and the Democrats pull their heads far enough out of their corporate donors’ asses to hear the transpartisan outrage brewing outside the Beltway, the 2010 and 2012 elections will be very very bad for them. They will reap all of the pent-up rage and resentment that was aimed at the Republicans in 2006 and 2008, and we know how that turned out.



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I even got an email for one of my more conservative relatives: we actually agfree that this ‘health care’ bill is a POS. Normally we’re not even on the same political page.
Eli!
What’s the matter with SOME Democrats? We haven’t all gone loopy.
Hey Eli!
I would much rather see a good bill fail than a weak one succeed.
What’s the matter with Democrats – part one of a 128 part series.
Hey, egreg!
then we get vol. 2
Obama knows that us and the Tea Baggers will refuse to buy this insurance and if it comes out of our paycheck we both will go to court and protest this.
This issue will be a race the Left and the Tea baggers will both want to be seen opposing this deal even if that means opposing Obama.
Wiley E Coyote has nothing on Rahm and Obama in the self defeating plan department.
Eli —
What’s good for Wall Street is good for Main Street. A rising tide, etc.
Sincerely,
The DLC
No word yet from Obama has anyone gotten a response?
I’m wondering whether there’s an unwritten DC rule that whichever party is in charge is responsible for servicing the corporations’ interests, while the other party gets to pretend to oppose them. That seems to be the best explanation for what we’ve been seeing over the past 16, if not 30 years.
At least the Democrats are somewhat better at running the government…
I do not think either party’s electeds have their pulse on the American public at all. They seem fundamentally unable to hear anything above the roar of the lobbyists who surround them on every side. There’s a very good reason they are happy to stay in DC and pretend to address health care ‘reform’ — none of them want to face their constituents.
sad but true
What is the Matter with the Dems hmmm? My theory is that the insurance companies are broke and an other government bailout of fat cats would be unpopular so the plan to save them is to dress up the bailout as a Healthcare bill!
The private health insurance industry is dead but nobody is calling time of death. Their business model failed with the banking crisis their books are funny.
Democrats are, at least, better at implementing the policies the GOP claims to stand for: fiscal responsibility, deficit reduction, terror trials.
Eli, read your post.
Does it mean Obama doesn’t get a B ?
Rude, Rude, Rude!!!
Jesus God, Dylan ripped Lil’ Debbie a new one.
nothing received here
Masaccio explains it better than I do the thing is I suspect even these numbers are tweaked.
http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/bailing-out-failed-management-health-insurance-company-edition/
That was pretty spectacular, wasn’t it.
Sooooooze! What it do, man?
We progressives just have to race to get in front of that populist parade with real solutions.
The teabaggers are just peddling the same corporate baloney of less government (which means bigger business and an end to church-state separation).
Most of the fed-up public are not buying what the teabaggers are selling.
I do believe you’ve nailed it. Time to make single-payer a wedge issue in 2010.
Moyers so on this topic…Taibbi and Kuttner…briefly, Can O redeem his promise?
and the faces! His eyes bugged out of his head so far a couple times I thought they would fall out. Like those things they used to have when we were kids .. those eyeballs on springs.
Yeah, we agree on most of the problems, but not the solutions.
no response to my letter to the white house. i even clicked the response requested box on their form.
eli, this is a great post
obama is our very worst nightmare
we have been dealth a trojan horse and really have to start treating obama like he’s bush because he is bush with a brain
we’re in tons of trouble
is there a link to this?
oops, I see it’s up there
Masaccio had the facts on this story while I was just theorizing still the theory follows from the facts he dug up we just don’t have a smoking gun yet of anyone in Washington admitting it yet.
http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/05/bailing-out-failed-management-health-insurance-company-edition/
Same here
It is imperative in order to save her career that Wasserman Schultz, New Democrats Inc. demand an apology from Dylan Rattigan, else she be labelled as a weak effete liberal (liberal she is not, of course.)
She will lose her seat. The media will say its because she was too liberal!
Bill Nelson and Suzanne Kosmas will concur, saying its because she wasn’t sufficiently centrist.
Rude and rotten Rattso mopped the floor with her.
The Insurance company stocks went up – because ( due to the Lieberman health care bill) the insurance companies will be held to account by the people? Huh?
we screwed
BTW, Schultz got her teeth fixed. Good for her. Must be nice to have money.
Suzanne Kosmas, I hope, is the stupidest person in Congress on this issue. She is, in my view, dumb as dogshit. I have advised her that she is toast in 2010. I ain’t voting for her again. FL-24 is gonna be red again. Thanks Obama.
And a dental plan.
Now she’s pickin’ Dylan’s poop outta them ’cause he shat all over her.
This morning, NPR reported that there are more military contractors in Iraqistan than there are troops.
Apparently, instead of being in prison, Eric Prince is still raking in millions.
Nothing changed in that Amway Arena.
Thanks for nothing Barack Lieberman.
Having watched this clip atop your post, Eli, I don’t think Dylan Ratigan did himself any favors. DWS (and I am no fan) did quite well, especially with her “Now you are asking and answering your own questions about stock analysis, why even have me on your show?”
Dylan smoked Debbie any stock market watcher will look at the rise in healthcare stocks and say why are they going up what has happened that new.
So how does a healthcare plan that is suppose to cut healthcare costs cause healthcare stocks to go up? Because the plan does not cut costs it gives the insurance companies more money is the answer. Debbie that was a business show this audience understands money even if you don’t repeating talking points is not going to convince any stock watchers.
Trust me they all understand stocks go up when people think they are going to make more money and the healthcare bill is the only factor that is changing in the insurance companies business model.
She’s real scared of upsetting all the Republicans that voted for her, yet she’s determined to peddle this “health care” fiasco. Toast, indeed.
Her eyes looked crooked never noticed the teeth.
What’s The Matter With Congressional Democrats?
They are bought a paid for by any and every too big to fail corporation who have nothing more in mind that to squeeze every last penny from Americans until this place is a third world country. When you have a city like Detroit at 50% unemployment how far off could it be? The lost jobs are NOT coming back. These fuckers in the congress just don’t give a rats ass.
Watching Dylan was a thing of beauty. Thanks for the clip.
we’re building a new and improved Amway Arena here in The City Beautiful. The Devos’s aren’t. We are. Like it or not.
I was okay with it. I do wonder whether he was expecting her to have an answer, or if that was how he intended to play it all along.
WE need to email and ask – in a groundswell – to replace Chris Matthews (on BOTH his timeslots) with Dylan Ratigan.
Matthews jumped-the-shark yesterday when he motherfucked us all on the netroots. He is so old and out of it, it is sad. Things have changed since he was trolling the House as a Capitol Hill renta-cop begging for a job and sucking ass to get one.
that was a fair question. she was in a tough spot and he didn’t let her off e-z. at all. nice teeth though.
i think he intended to cream her all along. right from the word go. before, even.
i’m in.
hear, hear – go down fighting for what you stand for, or let it be known that you stand for nothing!
Did Rattigan have permission from his producer to beat up Schultzco?
He bullied her like an insane pit bull.
But his point was relevant. What little she could say over his bullying was BS.
Oops, I screwed that up slightly – the Senate bill isn’t just weak, it’s *bad*.
OT: teddy, fwiw, i left you a reply a while back if you are interested.
Eli,
Thank you for a well develop piece. I voted on issues not the man. I could care less about the man. If John McCain and Sarah Palin would have been preaching the same mantra as Obama, I would not have voted for Obama. As it stands now they are very much alike but on McCain’s side of the aisle. Rahmbo and Dumbo are counting on Palin to contribute to their support by being worse than them. I refuse to play the fool. This is a TAX and not much else. I will stomach joining the enemy of my enemy to defeat this insanity. I will have to tolerate birtherism and other shrouds of racism but, racist are all over the place in my age bracket. Next time some clown comes a calling with a cute slogan demand the details.
Yes, I’m hip. That’s how the rich get richer, eh? There’s a bunch of local pols that need the boot over that thievery.
Ditto, not even a canned reply stating they recieved my letter.
To answer why healthcare stocks went up on the news that the healthcare bill is an insurance company bailout if the healthcare bill really did cut medical costs those stocks should have gone down.
Debbie was treated rude but talking points don’t sell to a crowd trying to make money they want to know why a stock goes up or down thats it.
Unless your watching Larry Kudlow then talking points are the whole show but he’s all everything the GOP does is great, Dems suck.
Still the media is treating even Congresswomen rude on this issue they never were this tough on Darth and he gave them much more reason.
I think some of the press has decided that kicking around Dems on healthcare is great ratings. Rahm should be worried the respect Congress used to have to lie and never be corrected on air might be gone.
If my memory serves me right she was backing Lehtinen over supporting a progressive Democrat, anyone..?
I love a good rant, but there is no satisfaction in punching a drunk.
Like the drunk, Wasserman-Schultz is anesthetized. These people are career cynics, like socio-pathic car salesmen, obsessively polishing their sales presentations.
It’s *worse* than a tax. Taxes go to the government in exchange for valuable services (or at least they should). This is money going directly to the insurance industry, with very little coming back in return for it.
Of course, this is on top of the tax money that will *also* go to the insurance companies in the form of subsidies.
The Audacity of the Reams by our Corporate Fathers
soon to be available in pay(per)back
eli, what do you think of the house plan?
You don’t need to be fucking stock analyst to know what it means when stocks go up!
Since the teabaggers and we are starting to converge, how about a token of our own: a lemon. Lemon and tea go together. We can just start sending images of lemons to our members of congress.
When did Cheney go on Ratigan, Olberman, or Maddow?
I’m easy though. I just want Hedo Turkoglu back. Enough of the Vinsanity.
Not great, but acceptable. Except for Stupak, which could arguably be considered a poison pill.
Not sure I like the symbolism of associating ourselves with lemons. Raspberries totally work for me, tho.
Darth liked Pumpkinhead Tim Russert for his interviews.
thanks. i don’t like undermining the state regulations or lack of cost controls (seeing what that does in MA right now). but i want people with pre-existing conditions to be able to get insurance like we can in MA and have for long before the 2006 reforms.
Oh I remember the lesson of Vietnam: Johnson refused to end the war, lost the Dem base, and Nixon came along promising a populist impossiblity, “Peace with Honor”, thereby attracting those who wanted the war to end, and the hard hats who wanted “honor.”
If the Dems aren’t populists, the Republicans will claim to be: and those frustrated with their Dem leaders will defect.
Enough for the Republicans to win.
I remember reading on FDL not too long ago a few of its best and best-loved bloggers writing passionately about ‘saving’ General Motors, and less passionately but very enthusiastically about the Chevy Volt’s potential for success. So, there are exceptions? At this hour, I’d say the vilest sector of the corporate sector are the TV and radio corporations and the telecoms. Am I wrong to think so?
Raspberries are even better! I was just trying to come up with our own “thing” like the teabags. Lemons came to mind, since I view the proposed health care reform bill as a lemon and we need a lemon law to protect us. But raspberries have a second and, in this case, welcome meaning.
I have friends without insurance. They all supported Obama with his campaign position of no mandates and a public option for those without insurance.
Not one supports being required to buy insurance from the insurance
companies. They are getting pretty pissed at the Washington Democrats
over this too.
Strip out the individual mandates and I support it, otherwise I will
be urging everyone to vote NO.
I would support it even with individual mandates if there was a
reasonable cost public option included.
In addition, the supposed gains in the bill are being weakened so as to be worthless. True, insurance companies can’t exclude pre-existing conditions but they can charge much higher rates for those with them.
Support Dr. Dean and Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Her excuse was lame yes she should not go on a business show to talk about healthcare if she can’t tie it into business. However Ted caught something Dylan was rude to a woman a Congress woman on the air normally anyone in office can lie uninterrupted by the host of any tv show.
Something has changed will the Media treat GOPers this way or only Dems is the next question we should ask.
I had absolutely no problem with spending an order of magnitude less money to bail out an industry that actually manufactures something of value, directly or indirectly employs millions of people, and was not responsible for blowing up our economy.
Of course, Obama and Congress were not nearly as enthusiastic about the auto bailout as they were the financial one.
Look, she never expected (beats me why, this was Dylan, not Tweety) to be asked and required to answer. We generally understand why stocks go up, – I only wished he had taken the time to school her.
Ratigan way over did it. He should have at least let her do her talking points and then whack her with her own words the way Rachel does. Rachel is scanning her notes as she listens and then lays her hammer where it hurts, smiling all the while. I’d really hate her if I was on the other side.
If this treatment of Dems is one sided then the Media just declared war on Obama and I doubt they are doing it because they are so concerned about healthcare.
Rahm is worried about us when he might have a real enemy to worry about.
Republicans are salivating right now so that they can make the Democrats own a fraudulent bill.
It may not have been great journalism or interviewing technique, but it was a pretty good expression of the anger and frustration at the Democrats’ willingness to give the insurance industry a giant bonanza without extracting any concessions in return.
Eshoo/Evergreening
I pray the bill fails . Its just more giveaways to corporate wealth.
Dems have become repubs and its mind blowing.
Progressives can see this administration on the precipice and their fall will take every Democrat along with them over the cliff. It’s up to us to revolt and resist this total bonanza for the corporate insurance hogs.
Rahm’s time is over. He’s a colossal failure as chief of staff and has led Obama in absolutely the wrong direction. Once healthcare is over, it’s time to press for Rahm’s dismissal.
Why wait?
That bullying is what BillO does. It’s counter productive. He came off as an ass. He’s a good ‘un but needs to wield his shiv with bit more smooth
and own the escalated war on Afghanistan. and Obama says he’s OK with owning the economy. the Dems own shit and will get treated like it at the polls. I was wondering… is Obama going to go out campaigning for Harry Reid, Chris Dodd and any number of other losers and take a hit when they all get destroyed. Don’t think Rahm will go for that. But he takes a hit anyway, so I guess he has to get out and campaign.
The bill will live in infamy as the single worst giveaway to corporate fatcats while killing american citizens. This is a sham and obvious now that the Democrats have taken blood money from their corporate masters. They will pay when re-election time rolls around. We will primary every one of these Blue Dogs.
Dr. Dean is absolutely 100% correct. The senate bill is a sham so full of loopholes you could drive a minivan through each one of them.
eschew Eschoo.
Gesundheit.
Not sure if they can chew gum and fire someone at the same time :)
This was the essential Dylan Ratigan; he is a capitalist who despises it’s Wall Street ‘laissez faire’ incarnation and is always like a shark acutely attuned to BS. Wasserman-Schultz should have known who she was agreeing to have an interview with.
you think he’s leading Obama?
after next years election debacle, is Rahm gone??
The moment this empty Senate bill passes, the GOP will use it against them.
And, legitimately, I might add. The Dems own this bull$hit bill and it will be the single best tool to unseat every last one of them.
Evening, all-
The telecoms are certainly vile, but more vile for my money are the private-prison industry, and the explosion of “private military contractors”, i.e., mercenaries. Especially companies like Xe (Blackwater), which has both an intelligence/covert action branch and its own Air Force.
If not before….it’s not soon enough to suit most liberals. He’s a supreme jacka$$ and a disgrace.
How about this book title: What’s the Matter with New York?
*G*
It’s as evil as Stupak AFAIC . . . .
All who think that Dylan’s dressing down of Schultz was politically motivated, search for him on youtube and watch his adversaries efforts invariably turn into the charge of the light brigade.
Watch him and A.Wiener dress down Betsy McCaughey!
and then I’m wonderin, who’s the biggest asshole/villain in all this health care reform stuff? I say it always comes back to Obama.
Old conventions fade (like Congresspeople lying uninterrupted by the media) when revolution is in the air.
What was once respected is now disdained, something has changed and what was once fair payment buys not what it used to but still transactions are forced on the unwilling breeding anger and disrespect.
Those who had respect before will then call for a show of force to put the rabble in their place and the rabble will answer in kind.
But the question of why the payments of old are not enough won’t be answered. Who will win?
Those in power win if the payments while shaved are still enough to buy men to fight and men to keep the system going.
The rabble wins if the payments are not enough to buy enough men to fight and buy enough men to keep and the system going.
So Obama can save face?
I agree…though it’s going to make me absolutely sick when I see Joe Lieberman get richly rewarded for walking point on this for Obama.
Good news I thought the Media might be declaring war on Dems still lets see him talk to a GOPer like that then I will be happy.
Betsy McCaughey, Anthony Weiner, and Dylan Ratigan:
Part 1 of 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DECSGMd2_BM
Kuttner on Moyers was saying yes. And needs the help of an engaged social movement. A great discussion.
As far as they’re concerned, as long as DFHes don’t get their hands on that party campaign assistance, mission accomplished.
Yes she did. (The warmongering hard-right lying Repuglican) Ross-Lehtinen was her friend, Schultz said.
I would love to know what is wrong with the republicans? Their hate for the big black scary guy in the White House is so fierce a majority of them voted against a defense spending bill, you know, voting against our soldiers and not supporting them! But I thought they were the true patriots of America who would give their own life to support our troops? Huh. My bad. I keep forgetting there’s a big black scary man in the White House now that makes them keep voting “no!”.
yup
If the Senate bill passes that isn’t the end you know? It still has to go to conference to mesh with the House bill and during that phase everything can be added back in.
Yes Rahm is out after the Healthcare debate?
They seem to be making the opposite calculation of the one the Democrats made in 2002. The Democrats were afraid Bush might be right, so they went along with the invasion of Iraq so they wouldn’t suffer for it if it went well.
The Republicans think Obama’s wrong about pretty much everything, so they’re opposing him so they won’t suffer for it when it fails.
I’ll go with they are racist.
Except I suspect that the only piece of the House bill that would be added would be Stupak. And maybe Eshoo.
Thanks,
when she first arrived in the minority she was visible, outspoken and seemed progressive. Then,(there may be a lesson here somewhere) she wound up in the majority, and lacking opposition had to uphold her own ideals, – which apparently she is grossly inadequate in supporting. I believe, she is also, as Jane, a breast cancer survivor.
Because pumpkin head was friendly to him and didn’t ask the hard questions. DWS should have known Dylan was going to go after her. If you’ve ever watched his show, (I get to see the last 30 min because I live on the west coast) she is not the first one to get that treatment. Not by far.
Maybe he was rude to her, but why should we care about being rude when they are going to sell us out yet again. I am not going to smile while they take my house, they already took my retirement, and whatever else I have left to make some already rich asshole more rich.
i can’t see alot being added back in if Lieberman and Nelson will just filibuster a final bill. they can do that to the post-reconciliation bill, yes? tghen we’d be back to square one.
yup. Rightly or wrongly, it’s this prez’s pile of dogshit. HE owns it. Just like Bush and every other president owns the things that happen on their watch. How many Americans can even NAME the Speaker or Senate Majority Leader? Thus, Obama owns it and goes down with it. And he fucking deserves it.
And double-agent Joe Lieberman will be laughing. THIS is a smart president? Cuz Joe wants Obama a one-termer so he can get the next GOPer to attack Iran at the behest of the Likuds.
damn right, – Americans sent into the Afghan meat grinder and we worry about rude? Wrong thing to worry about, PC is bullshit – not rude enough for my taste, not by a long fucking shot.
Eli !
What’s wrong with the Dems ?
Nothing that a swift kick in the ass from Jane won’t eventually cure !
i mean I don’t think these guys (and the WH) are extracting these concessions just to have them taken out in reconciliation. I think what the Senate produces is pretty much it.
another thing, The R’s not only gladly allow the Dems to own this sack of shit “reform” but they also get to jump all over Reid for writing the bill “behind closed doors” after 3 committees considered the issues and came up with bills. and that’s tough (for me at least) to disagree with. Dems own the substance, and get creamed on the process too.
Thanks Obama. Why don’t you just go back to Kenya where you came from?
That O can save face…redirect himself.
Petro!
I sure hope you’re right, dude.
As much as we hate to think of it we are going to have to let the dems take a severe ass kicking in 2010 and 2012. If they are going to govern like republicans anyway what is the harm? Even if we vote for them and send them money and go door to door for them, they still do what they want to do when in office. The democrats are more concerned with big banks and big corporations than they are with the needs of the people. They really have left us no choice and a serious ass kicking on the next two election nites may be just the thing to get their attention. They say we’re irrelevant and trouble makers but they need us to win elections, we have to teach them a hard lesson about turning their backs on the people who got them elected. Staying home is a form of protest.
I think it’s more like the Democrats were afraid Bush might win in Iraq, so they went along to try and claim some of the “glory” for themselves. I mean, if Hussein is overthrown, sufficient force is in place to assure order (no looting), and Jay Garner is allowed to go ahead with his plan for elections in 90 days, the troops are either home or re-deployed to Afghanistan within 6 months… a lot of Democrats wanted to be on that side.
Greed trumped fear.
The media is supporting that framework for the Republicans to use to their benefit.
NPR Reporters Inskeep and Mara Laison: Obama is doing __________. (Collective eyeroll and deep sighs.)
Liason: Republicans oppose _________. Dems are not fiscally responsible. Inskeep: The Debt is out of control. Republicans say its socialism. They must be right.
Up next: Intersection with Republican Reporter Mark Simspon:
Interview with Jeb Bush on education:
JEB, May I polish your balls before we start?
*Bows to the Master*
DWS is not a regular guest she is a Congress Woman I am used to seeing Congress people lie uninterrupted on tv. Don’t get me wrong I am glad she was called out. But lets see a GOPer get called out for lying then I will be happy.
Just to be sure, we should get Jane some new Boots ! *g*
Rude to everyone fine but rude to just dems that would worry me.
Steel Toed hiking boots :)
Exactly she is a lying Congresswoman. Are you seriously saying we should give these people any consideration. I’m with fuckno. I don’t care how they are treated, just like they don’t care how we are treated. Perhaps it’s a good thing for them to see how we feel.
Collectively they have the power to do something really good (The dems, not the puke) but instead what are they doing? They do not deserve good treatment by anyone.
Considering the rights owns more than 80% of the media do you really think they are going to be hard on pukes and conservatives?
agreed, fortunately you can go to the link above and feel reassured!
I am agreeing with you both. You don’t seem to be getting my worry that its a problem if only Democrats are treated this way by the media.
I hear you things, but they (the right) own the media. And yes, it’s a problem.
Betsy McCaughey:
“This will go down in history as the most brow beating interview in history”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMYAHOEwHu0&feature=related
Staying home is not going to help anybody. It is time to seriously seriously start a third party. If it could just make some real headway in a few states, it would probably really catch on. People love to try new things. As far as I can tell FDLers are going to have to lead the way. I’m not kidding. Although I did have some wine with the pizza. I have never voted anything but Democrat. I will never vote Democrat again. I have been seriously upset with Nader in the past but I heard the radio show someone linked to from Tampa yesterday. He got a question about a viable third party and he in no way assumed he would be the candidate. I was very impressed by that. When someone mentions the Democratic party I just laugh anymore. I’d rather talk to Sean Hannity. (Did I just say that? Don’t worry, Lowell Weiker is the only Republican I would ever think about voting for and you know who defeated him.)
“Strip out all the racist/birther/deather/eliminationist garbage”
By strip it out, do you mean that they stop doing it, or we ignore it? I assume it’s the former. If that us the case, I could see trying to find common ground.
The Corporate media is obviously a huge problem. It’s the propaganda arm of the Ruling Class. Where it is really insidious is in its bianary Fox vs the rest presentation. The reality is of course that Fox being so OT makes the rest seem quaint. That, my friends (McCain) is the sort of propaganda that would make the KGB turn green with envy.
it looks like you can add the climate bill to the list of capitulations. it looks like the horrifically inadequate House bill – with it’s 3% emissions cut on baseline 1990 and it’s creation of a multibillion dollar carbon derivatives market to do next-to-nothing is going to be what gets written into COP15.. and rethugs and conservadems seem determined to undermine even this non-progress in the Senate.
Assuming Obama somehow marshalls the spine to push the House bill through the Senate as is, the world will be looking at a 3 degree Celsius temperature rise, instead of the desired 2 degrees. It’s the best we can do given today’s political climate.
I look forward to whatever explanation of our party’s fecklessness will be given to our great great grandkids when rye coastal half of the State of South Carolina is largely submerged by 2100 or so.
Somewhere in hell, Josef Goebbels is green with envy.
Obama came back whipped, because the rest of the world is under no illusion as to whom Obama really represents.
Feeling reassured my net connection took forever though:)
Aloha, Eli…! I’m on top of the mtn again… It truly is tragic how far and fast Obama and the Corporatist Dems have fallen…!
Peterr has Late Night, upstairs!
Late Night: Wanted: A New White House Communications Director
I meant it more in mathematical terms, i.e., Populist Economic Message + Batshit Insanity = Teabagger Narrative.
Aloha, CTut! It’s like they’ve given the GOP a Get Out Of Electoral Jail Free card. “You guys have worked so hard for the last 8 years – why don’t you have a nice rest and we’ll take it from here.”
Unfortunately, ours is a perversely brainwashed nation.
Agree (I happened to read Jeremy Scahill’s piece about Xe/Blackwater in The Nation just after I commented). It’s reminiscent of the Germans using Ukrainians, Poles, Hungarians, etc. I don’t think ‘vile’ is vile enough.
We are fortunate to have Masaccio in our midst.
if we get our way on hc, I suspect he’s gone. if the president gets his way and passes Liebercare as is, I suspect Rahm’ll probably get a nicer office and a custom gold plated sculpture portraying Rahm’s boot on Governor Dean’s face.
Eli writes “all this braindead Democratic fuckery” spot on…
When the audacity of hope becomes a paucity of hope…maybe Barack Obama will get better at being what he is in year 2011…2010 looks to be a slog for the Ds… self inflicted as it is little point in being sympathetic.
Agreed
Doing a drive-by; The County Dems just called me to update their mailing list, we’d moved a year ago and been recycling their mail since than. I asked her to take us off the list, we could no longer find common ground with the Dems. And we had no intention of being listed as potential supporters of Rep.Rick Larsen. I asked her to put us on the No Contact List.
I did suggest that should the Democrats come up with a Socialist Democratic bent candidate I would be willing to get back in the fray. nothing less.
If not, I will wander unlabeled through the landscape of our country’s political tapestry until I find the community leader who truly believes in community health and prosperity and education, the blending of all age groups to better support the Community. And off-leash dog parks.
Don’t you fucking hate the poetic license? Also.
Peace
Exactly…! Made even more poignant by how big a shitpile they’d left after those 8 years…!
Not even a thanks for that floating softball pitch? It’s why FDL is beautiful to behold, how it won’t arrest itself with past grief when it’s time to move on. Too many (cough) ‘progressives’ keep replaying Michael Moore’s ‘Roger and Me’. “Thanks for all you do”, btw.
actually, they kind of gave him exactly what he wanted, which is assurance that the US won’t have to do anything more than bupkis about it’s own emissions.
one day, people treading water will relate tales of an era where soulless and spineless leaders had the chance to save a planet and threw it away for a few campaign donations and a couple nice lobbyist junkets.
Spot on, Sunny !
If the brain power on this blog was in the White House, it’s incredible where we would be in a year.
Lots of people doing the same from what I hear somebody today wanted a link on how to unsubscribe from a dem email list he was having trouble getting off the list. I think Obama is worried his vaunted email list defecting could be bad press :)
Yes, but he was hoping to bring back some Cap and Trade derivative business (est.3 trillion) to his favorite paymaster Lord Blankfein.
yep! cool.. ain’t it? next to no real emissions reductions and instead we’ll get Fun with Derivatives III: Enron’s Revenge
Moyers linky…
Hollysmokes! Kill the bill, get rid of Rahm! That is quite the twofer. It’s like morning in America or something.
If he does that he’s wasting whatever he plans to use for a reward. (I can suggest better ways to ‘reward’ unHoly Joe, but they’re illegal. Probably.)
I’ll look forward to reading every single comment on the thread, but Eli thanks for highlighting this item.
I respect the fact that Debbie W-S seems like a fighter, but she seems like Exhibit A in ‘corporate capture’; her inability to listen to Ratigan, or to follow the absolutely essential points that he is making, is tragic.
I fear that healthCos and anyone who wants to silence Ratigan are going to use this as a wedge to claim that he’s unbalanced, but I absolutely understand his frustration – as well as his refusal to let his show be used as one more venue for Talking Points (by Dems, or Republicans).
The facts he points to — the linkages between what DC does, and what markets do in response — is absolutely essential to grasp for any kind of meaningful change. And if we don’t have meaningful change, we’re going to have a very destabilized society. Since I dislike chaos, I’m a real advocate for meaningful, astute, well crafted change.
Ratigan might do well to take up yoga, but what he’s saying needs to be said — DESPERATELY!
And for Debbie W-S to even refuse to grasp that her actions impact markets, profits, and economic activity absolutely blew my mind.
Or even six months…
I wish I could imagine him worried. I’m more cynical.
All the pretty little ponies…..
On the flip side…Socialist Democracy. Their Health Care is amazing and community supporting/government supported/a basic of life in their world. Like education and maternity/family support. You get a huge tax break and all kinds of support for staying home the first year with your baby and your job is secure. If you stay on your job within that year you get taxed heavily. This is about one parent committing to being at home. Not gender specific.
So there is a dark side to Socialist Democracy. But, if you want to work pay the tax. If you want to nurture your child in a financially safe,yet modest environment and provide the best first year you can for your child they’ll help you do that. Believing that i helps their society as a whole.
Fuck. Doesn’t that sound kind of like a Star Trek episode in our American lives?
Hey, CT. What’s the weather like up there now?
Rain down here today/last night on Maui.
Open, what was the caller’s response?
I’m really curious to hear: do they attempt to respond, or just “thank you for your input”?
The mods here [rightly] get rather cranky at having such sentiments expressed. It’s okay to keep thinkin’ ‘em, though.
LOVED the term (corporate communist) in that video.
What are they doing in Afghanistan? How can the budget hawks justify spending all that money?
Everybody wants their little boondoggle and then complains about how the government spending is out of control.
Maybe Obama should send about a dozen guys to get bin Laden and/or al Zawahiri and forget all the other AfPak activity & spending. Bring ‘em to NYC and let a ‘typical’ NYC jury hear them out.
Why give away money you don’t even have? What kind of idiotic political leaders can survive that kind of giveaway?
I should add on the maternity/paternity leave is that the parents can work out a shared time. How awesome is that for a little baby?!
Kill the bill. Reorganize. Regroup. Rethink. And never ever talk like trolls just because you’re pissed off beyond all recognition.
We have no choice . When they say pass THIS bill or there won’t be another for 15 years; we say FUCK YOU!!
When they say your children must pay a tax for Health Care they may or may not get at least until 4 years from now and only than if they’re poors, we say FUCK YOU.
We say, if you think you’re going to hang your shriveled old man dick on a big erection Women’s Health Attack; we say FUCK YOU.
No more. No violence.
Oh,man…we could have bonded on our sense of being betrayed. She had to hang up after we started trying to figure out how to redo this Dem problem.She had a list of calls to make. And I was being scarey with the Socialist Democratic theme.
Basically, it ended in, ” Hey,sister, we need to rethink who you’re making phone calls for.”
I have that conversation with the Jehovah Witnesses , too. Got a few of the young ones to start nodding in agreement to my argument that no conversion is worth spending your entire youth to secure. I might be The Devil’s Child”. *g*
This HCR ‘exercise’ has shown the failure of the Blue Dogs and certainly the irrelevance of compromising with Republicans. The Democrats need more votes to get anything done on many important issues.
So, it becomes a political as well as policy fight. We have to stage the legislation effort so that it will redound to the benefit of the Left and show both the Republicans AND the Blue Dogs to be obstructionists for petty corrupt reasons.
It’s a pity it has come to this. Really. Obama has pushed for compromise, bipartisanship and good policy had all he’s gotten in return is lies and garbage from self-serving disgusting politicans — and they know who they are.
Blaming HCR problems on Obama is idiotic. He’s not with the Republicans or Blue Dogs say, “Give me more and I’ll consider not laughing at you while I vote ‘No’ on your bill”.
Is anybody in the press raking them over the coals for being unpatriotic? No? I guess it doesn’t matter if you’re a Republican/establishment/lackey of the corporations.
Is there a law against reforming health care – in countless better ways – if this bill doesn’t pass? Did they outlaw future reforms forever and I didn’t hear about it?
I think left and right populism are very different things but we share a disaffection with government that is real and isn’t going away anytime soon.
Obama has done the impossible. He has revived the electoral prospects of the Republican Party. Maybe because he’s a Republican.
This is a nice run-down on left/right populism from at home she feels like a tourist:
THe Bronx Cheer!!!
*Thhhhbbbpththhhpt!*
Bad to use in a health care argument, as it spreads germies.
I think the leaders of the two major parties are both handpicked by wallstreet and the powers the be. I am really praying for a resurgence of the green party at this point.
Taibbi Interview on Moyers
Kuttner played the stereotypical “progressive” Democrat position. “This bill sucks. It’s a huge benefit to the insurance industry, but we have to support it because Democrats will be hurt if we don’t!”
He also seemed condescending towards Taibbi at times, which I think Taibbi didn’t know how to react to.
Both of them gave the president the benefit of the doubt. You really have to our people will distrust your position. I think Kuttner was over apologetic for the president, but Taibbi countered one of his arguments well; that it’s ridiculous to assume the president is going to turn around simply because he seems like a nice, intelligent guy publicly.
Lets get going. We have a political machine to hijack.
Our President got to His office, in no small part, on a populace campaign, largely on the internet, funded by small individual donations that were handed over with a lot of high hopes for a future that we aren’t quite seeing.
With DFA in mind, as well as this FDL and other parts of the World Wide Web remnants of the movement that had B. Obama elected, it is now time to heat up, and re direct the machine to a new mission.
That being, the election of as many Progressive, Liberal, Lefty, heads full of ideas, and bellies full of fire, Democrats and Indies as may by any means be elected.
Then, if we can get a truly veto proof Senate, our President might be moved to where, I suspect, He’d rather be anyway.
Recalling the history of Franklin Delino Roosevelt’s later terms, when the populace will of the nation moved Him to do so much that His presidency is now in history for.
Now is the time for a New-New Deal for America.
The Repugs reason for existence now, per-Trent Lot, is to obstruct any thing by any means. The only way to stop it, is to have such a Democratic and Lefty Indie presence, that the next Congress will be set to do as the Repugs did with Hot tub tom, and billy frist, running the show.
During that time, the Democratic party was relegated to insignificance. It’s pay back time.
What Dylan did to Schultz is how every newsman/journalist should treat politicians. Hold their feet to the fire and don’t let them just quote talking points. Embarrass and humiliate them so they can be seen for the shams 95% of them are. In that vein, I’d love to see Bill Moyers interview Obama. He wouldn’t get the softballs that Steve Kroft and Oprah lobbed his way.
“Toward a prophetic social movement to save America
The bad news, then, is that America now faces a crisis in which the stakes could hardly be larger. This is a crisis as big as any our country has ever faced—as big as the Depression or World War II, even the Civil War. But unlike those, the challenge we now face is essentially a moral one. Our challenge is to save the very soul of America.
But then there is the good news. The same vision that illuminates the essential nature and gravity of this crisis also reveals how this present challenge can best be met.
These forces will not be overcome by purely political approaches. We have slept too long for that, allowing the terrain of power and the arena of discourse to become too corrupted to be transformed by the usual means.
But a clear vision of this moral crisis reveals those crucial nodes in the American system through which the present dangerous dynamic can be changed. As the crisis is, at its heart, a moral and spiritual one, it is to that level that we must address our efforts.
We do not need to wait to win the material power of the political arena to begin to turn this battle. We can summon, rather, a moral and spiritual power to overcome those forces that now reign over all three branches of government as well as much of the media and the economic system. What is needed is a prophetic” social movement, an effective way to speak moral truth to amoral power.
What relies for power on a moral lie can be defeated by moral truth
For this prophetic social movement to succeed, it is essential for those who oppose the forces presently ruling America to remember that the heart of the problem is not that these ruling powers are too conservative, or that they are too aligned with traditional” rather than progressive” values. To wage the struggle in those terms is not only to misunderstand the nature of our adversary. It is also to continue to fall into the trap that they have so successfully set for their opposition, and to abet their continuing seduction of millions of good people on the conservative side of America’s cultural divide. It is to help foster that spirit of divisiveness on which they feed. The heart of the problem, rather, is that these powers are not what they pretend to be. The darkness of the spirit that animates them is manifest in their ruthlessness and arrogance and dishonesty. They are not righteous, but rather they are serving as channels through which destructive —evil—forces are extending their domain. Only by selling their false image of righteousness to good, conservative Americans could these forces gain power. But that which depends on moral lies can be defeated with moral truth—for, if these good people can be helped to see that these emperors have no moral clothes, they will withdraw their support.”
http://www.nonesoblind.org/blog/?page_id=2
“On the flip side…Socialist Democracy. Their Health Care is amazing and community supporting/government supported/a basic of life in their world.”
Youre right on. Over here universal health care has been in place so long people dont even really think about it. Maybe we even take it too much for granted by now. But any politician suggesting that we instead switch to private insurance would committ political suicide. And the system works so much better. If you compare key health statistics like infant mortality and life expectancy between universal, public health care systems and the US privatized system, the numbers in themselves are telling.
The average normal-income person in Sweden pays about 30% income taxes, plus consumer taxes on products. Some people do complain about that, but the big majority see that we get so much good for the money. The general sentiment here is that people would be prepared to pay more taxes to improve the welfare system.
“So there is a dark side to Socialist Democracy.”
Im not sure what that dark side would be. You mean higher taxes? Id say that most social democratic/socialist countries have better functioning democracies than the US, simply for the fact that money plays a lesser part in influencing political decisions. Note i say a LESSER part, we still have corporations and moneyed interest groups doing their dirty work. There is definitely a social roll back going on in Europe right now. We sort of hoped that Obama would break the back of neoliberalist market fundamentalism in the US, which would help us too, since we get a lot of political spillover from you.
Maybe the problem with Democrats is that theyre just too liberal, and to little social democrat/socialist?
The Democrats went along with the invasion of Iraq because the identical program of “regime change” had been official Democratic policy since Clinton.
The question of the rudeness of Ratigan is a side-note.
What’s killing me about this is that Wasserman-Schultz’s only response was HR-speak. “Consumer-driven”? WTF does that mean? Geez, is this really the best the Democrats can come up with? If so, we are in more trouble than even I thought.
One word sums it all up… S P I N E L E S S !!!!