After reading Sheryl Gay Stolberg’s piece in the New York Times on the “liberal revolt on health care” that is stinging the White House, I have come to the conclusion that President Obama might be in need of a new communications director.
“People need to put this in perspective,” Dan Pfeiffer, Mr. Obama’s communications director, said in an interview on Thursday. “Two years ago, the Democratic Party would have done anything for the opportunity to pass a health care reform like this. Let’s realize how far we’ve come, and how close we are to making history.”
I call bullshit.*
No one that I know of in the Democratic party ever dreamed of passing health care reform “like this.”
The GOP, OTOH, often dreamed of forcing millions of new customers onto the insurance companies, dreamed of killing any notion of single payer or a public option or expanding Medicare, and continues to dream of making it even harder than it already is for a poor woman to get an abortion.
But hey — at least we didn’t strip out SCHIP from the bill.
Yet.
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* Yes, pastors occasionally speak like that — especially those who grew up near dairy farms. Even St. Paul spoke like that on occasion, though the translators generally clean him up for popular consumption (see, for example, Philippians 3:8).




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zed!
I think the White House could use some stinging about now.
Peterr!
RonD!
Scourging, even.
…Yet.
How true…! 8-(
Tone-deafness like TeamObama is displaying is either a symptom or a necessity, and I don’t know which I am more dismayed about.
Thanks, Peterr.
Ratfood!
Are the White House’s shields really up so high that none of the rage is getting through? Or is the denial that deep?
Two months ago that would have been an obvious joke. Tonight . . . who knows?
Hi, Peterr.
Thanks for this.
How’s everyone?
FunnyWheelieDiva
The WH loathes progressives for having the audacity to point out that they are corporate tools.
Bill Hicks used to talk about how all new Presidents are shown a previously-unseen film of the Kennedy assassination, from an angle never seen, and then asked if they had any questions as to who they worked for and what their job was.
Were it they who would be on the receiving end of Insurance Company largesse – vis a vis unending bucketloads of campaign cash, two years ago, the Republican Party would have done anything for the opportunity to pass a health care reform like this.
I think they are playing the “Those who turn up their noses at our stellar efforts for health insurance reform are beneath our notice” card. They’re trying to marginalize anyone who would question them or their negotiating abilities.
Even when it’s pointed out so bluntly by SNL/Stewart/Colbert etal… The joke’s lost on ‘em…!!! WTF…?
We could use Bill Hicks and Hunter Thompson about now.
From The Message translation.
The very credentials these people are waving around as something special, I’m tearing up and throwing out with the trash—along with everything else I used to take credit for. And why? Because of Christ. Yes, all the things I once thought were so important are gone from my life. Compared to the high privilege of knowing Christ Jesus as my Master, firsthand, everything I once thought I had going for me is insignificant—dog dung. I’ve dumped it all in the trash so that I could embrace Christ and be embraced by him. I didn’t want some petty, inferior brand of righteousness that comes from keeping a list of rules when I could get the robust kind that comes from trusting Christ—God’s righteousness.
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Hey, y’all. Some of my Very Fav’s. Paul! I’m not a Paulist, but, I sure do look a lot of what he wrote in letters.
If I thought they were stupid (and I do not), that would be easy to swallow.
But their upcoming electoral nightmare is clear to all but the smartest members of the Executive. I just don’t buy that Ax and Val, and Hell – Biden – do not see what they are bringing down on their own heads.
It’s all fine to trot out Senators to stump for something deeply flawed, but this is something else.
Uh, the GOP *was* on the receiving end of bucketloads of PhRMA and insurance cash two years ago. They just didn’t have the numbers in Congress to make much use of it, thanks to the growing discontent with Bush’s wars. For that matter, Bush was uninterested in health insurance reform, as that would have been a distraction from his work to make the world safe for Halliburton.
Molly Ivins…! ;-)
Damn. Gotta run. See all later.
But, but, but.
Nope I’ve been at the Lake 2 years easy nobody not one Dem Commentor, Front pager or anyone talking about healthcare we read in the papers or saw on tv was talking about healthcare like this!
Can this Joker name one Dem who was talking about this plan besides maybe Rahm’s brother?
Here’s my mantra, and I’ll probably keep posting it until the Senate changes its filibuster rules.
HoJoe Lieberman represents about 1.5% of the American public. And health insurance is a Connecticut staple, so we know who he represents – corporations.
Ben Nelson represents less than 1% of the US population, and he’s basically screwing children, seniors, and the working poor simply so that he can buddy up with the anti-abortion extremists and the healthCos.
So less than 2.5% of the US population is calling the shots here on 97.5% of us.
That is a travesty.
Don’t underestimate the effect of the Beltway in restricting oxygen flow to pol’s brains. I keep reading how the Dems aren’t worried about 2010 because their coffers are overflowing. Likely the 30 pieces of silver they earned selling everybody out on HCR.
Anyway, I think they believe between their campaign cash and low-information voters they can at least minimize their losses in the midterms.
Amen. At least we still have Bill Moyers… for the time being.
Both? Simultaneously?
See ya.
I’m not sure they can count on having that many low-information voters then. Those are the people who will get ticked off when they discover all this wonderful ‘reform’ isn’t going to do diddly for them before they die.
Yes that is true. They certainly were on the receiving end of the Prescription Drug Bill and the Insurance Co’s Part D plans. Republicans and enabling dems let the Banks and Insurance co’s, run roughshod over the public. Homeowners insurance, health insurance, prop taxes all up sky high.
Still, the Republicans would have loved to be the ones in power and pass a health care bill exactly like this one. Fleece the public for the insurance companies while insurance co’s ensure political campaign support.
The “When” is interesting, too.
When are these laws supposed to take effect?
Is it still AFTER ’12? It has evolved so much that I can’t keep track.
The overwhelming majority of Washington pols from both parties are owned by corporate interests. Lieberman and Nelson are the focus of attention but if it wasn’t them it would be someone else. You can count the populist pols in the Senate on one hand. There is a larger number in the House but they are mostly talk. When push comes to shove most of them usually cave.
Nice biblical reference.
On a personal note. Did you know that your were one of the first commenters to respond to me when I first got here?
Once a low information voter hears the words they are being forced to buy health insurance nothing we do on the Left will match their fury.
I think the WH needs an ethics officer more than it needs a new communications director
Obama very well might have just created the Tea Party movement not the Astro turf organization it is now but a real grass roots movement.
The White House needs a New President. Obama may have set a record for earliest Lame Duck, Single term president.
Obama’s Bull has been stuck its first banderillero within his first year. He is wounded by his own ego and own decisions. He is a weakened president. He is detested by the right, and he has shown himself to be an untrustworthy partner to the independents and progressives who made his victory possible. He has proven himself weak and malleable even to his political mortal enemies. Within the second year, his oratorical style and finger waving will become laughed at and ridiculed, as affectations of an over sized and over blown ego.
His owners will be pissed off he has so soon been found out for the shill he is. They invested a lot in Barack Obama, but the young-man-in-a-hurry blew the con way too early. He should have taken lip-biting and pain-feeling lessons from Bill Clinton. Then maybe he would have had a chance at a second term.
I would not want John McCain as president ever, but I am profoundly disappointed in this imposter named Obama. For myself, and for the millions of young people who thought they had a chance for their very own political Camelot, I am even more profoundly sorry. You deserved far, far more than you got.
Agreed a Nun with a ruler:)
If the last few decades are any indication, Dems are going to take a drubbing next year and the lesson they will take from it is that the party needs to move farther to the right.
Perhaps by the ‘base’ (which is politically useful) but Republican pols love the guy. They call the tune and he dances.
This mandate seems almost like an intentional goading, if not an invitation to the populist right to come and ‘ water the tree of liberty…” if they dare?!
WTF?
Yes, that’s the malleable part.
I agree with you.
But what we need to keep pointing out to every Tom, Dick, Harry, Becky, and Sally is this: the Senate cannot continue to be so dysfunctional.
And although I utterly despise and detest Dick Cheney, I think that he saw them as a bunch of yakking prima donnas who couldn’t accomplish much of anything. And the longer we have situations where ONE or TWO or even three Senators can stop legislation on **basic** health care, on financial reform, on climate change, on wars, on budget issues, then the longer we sink into crisis-riddled chaos.
And that gives the genuinely despicable actors like Cheney the upper hand.
And I’m completely fed up with this stupidity.
The Senate has to change its rules so that it is far more democratic.
We cannot continue to have situation after situation where a few, low-population Senators can demolish, sabotage, and destroy decent, mainstream public policies.
If the Senate were a patient, it would be on life support.
You cannot have 2.5% of the country calling the shots and claim to be a ‘democracy’ of any sort.
It is possible for a president to get away with being a corp tool while pretending to serve average Americans when the economy is good, Bill Clinton did that. Much harder to pull off when the economy is in the toilet like it is now.
Well, lets not forget that he is moving ahead on climate change and nuclear disarmament.
He’s got to work with the senate he has, etc.
True, if he’d knocked some heads together early on, maybe we’d have some decent healthcare by now, but healthcare isn’t everything. Just one very important thing.
How come everyone is calling medical insurance corps “companies?” And medical insurance mandates “health care reform?” Welcome to Orwell’s 1984.
karen
Agreed, but how can it be changed? Who among the repubs would go for a constitutional amendment? It’s all a giant ratfuck.
Elections are the only answer, far as I can tell. What are Nebraskans thinking about their senator right about now?
“You cannot have 2.5% of the country calling the shots and claim to be a ‘democracy’ of any sort.”
Judging from what the teevee tells me, yes you can!
True but who will be left to make that argument all the Blue Dogs are in close districts. So if 3% maybe 7% of Lefties in the district give up on Obama and the Blue Dog who voted for more war in Afghanistan but could not find the cash to help Americans get real healthcare.
Then our small numbers can swing close contests in a Dem +5 district we have no chance well there is the economy. But normally we can only hurt Blue Dogs we just have not realized this though.
I’m thinking Rove and Rahm have the same Math teacher.
Public financing of campaigns would be a good place to start but since it would require legislators (at the state or federal level) to enact laws detrimental to their own selfish interests the idea is pretty much DOA.
Maybe a Just ocracy democracy Just for the 2.5%ers.
Hugh describes our government as a kleptocracy. I believe that is accurate.
That’s true. But it was purely Obama’s ego which insisted all this had to be done during an economy in crisis, and only with the help of political mortal enemies as the cherry on top, in his first year. Obama is clever, but like Tiger’s putter, Obama’s ego forced him to take crazy chances. And now he has been exposed for what and who he is.
A freakin Greek Tragedy, straight from the good ole USA.
I assume nobody in the Elite WH press corps asked him to name one Dem who dreamed of passing this bill. Why being rude to the WH Communications director means you don’t get fed any cool kids gossip!
Yeah but its a badly managed one. Tony Soprano would have had the head of anyone who lost his money and then like the banks demanded more.
All organizations need accountability.
It is actually more like the .1% to 1% (the wealthy) who are.
American people have been screw up with this bill.I’m very disappointed,
we’ve been sold out by obama and senate..what the hell do they care?..
2010 is around the corner.
Our pols are ripping off the taxpayers, present and future. It is a massive redistribution of wealth based on stealing from the poor (and getting poorer) to give to the rich (and getting richer). The last thing they want is accountability.
Meh. Abolishing SCHIP will be Holy Joe’s next demand, because he can’t let Ben Nelson be the last one taking a big bloody bite from the pie!
When looting becomes the be all and end all of the government and those who run it kleptocracy isn’t polemic. It’s descriptive. A year or two ago I would not have used terms like “elites”, “banksters”, and “kleptocracy”. I would not have said that we are in a pre-revolutionary state. I would have been guaging the odds of depression or calling Obama a corporatist and a Blue Dog. But now it seems like I would be pulling my punches not to say these things.
I’m looking for a party that’s farther to the left, so that I can feel less ‘out in the cold’.
If they move any farther to the right, they;’re going to lose a lot of people.
BTW, I’ve been referring to health insurance corporation as “bloated soulless sociopathic parasites” for some time now. Will that do?
Long ago, their relationship with the rest of us was more or less symbiotic, back in the days when most of them were required to operate as non-profits. Now they’ve mutated into monstrous lamphrey-mouthed abominations so destructive to the hosts they’re attached to, even H.P. Lovecraft would’ve been too scared to write about them.
Without accountability they are out of control like an alky determined to drink himself to death $36 to every $1 of collateral leverage the banks gave the hedge funds we are concerned because we fear they can break the system.
I agree they don’t want accountability but thats why we are in trouble.
what worries me is that trying to fix this down the road will be even harder when the insurance co.s have even more of a stranglehold on folks and the extra $$$ from 30M new
suckerscustomers.what I’d like to see in the jobs bill is a) run it straight through using reconciliation and 2) include a provision that anyone who has retired/has been laid off since 01.20.09 until 2012 and any small business (under 25 employees to start with gradual increases) can buy into Medicare immediately (at a cost to be determined to be revenue neutral by the CBO.) this will give a big incentive to folks to retire early and not worry about insurance/health care, thereby opening up a ton of jobs and also provide a safety net for those still looking. this will also spur entrepreneurs to start new businesses with an insurance/health care safety net and allow small businesses to get their insurance/health care costs under control and use the savings to hire new people
You know it is a very odd thing. The Republicans were in a very strong position after 9/11. Rove was talking about a permanent Republican majority. All they really had to do was coast. But instead they embarked on imperial adventures abroad and wild west casino and crony capitalism here at home. You could ask the same question of them. They had it in the bag yet they threw it away. What is so surprising is that the Democrats are making exactly the same mistake, ignoring the basic agenda of the country, for imperial adventures abroad and wild west casino and crony capitalism here at home.
It is like they are addicts. They know what will happen if they score some more dope. They know it will be bad. And they can hardly wait to do it.
I owe you a drink. Your alky reference beats my addict reference in #66.
The Democrats cannot stop digging:
Sam Stein
stein at huffingtonpost dot com |
John Kerry Breaks Out Oppo, Takes On Howard Dean For ‘Kill The Bill’ Comments
This will absolutely turn progressives into a force against The Old, The New, and the Blue Dog Democrats.
Is there no one in that Bordello with a pulse on the public sentiment beyond the Beltway mote?
I think the public desire for viable alternatives to the corporatist party (with two names) currently running things is rising. I don’t know if it will be possible, the Republi-Dems are pretty good at squashing outside attempts to loosen their grip on power. We shall see.
I saw this just last night, although it’s from 12/1.
It made me sad; in June, I would have been sad for Obama. But not now.
Great minds do think alike:)
I am curious about one thing:
Rahm: Don’t worry about the left (they’ve got nowhere else to go).
Gibbs: Attacks dean with ‘Irrational’ scream allusion.
Kerry: Attacks Dean.
These, are not stupid, inexperienced men!
They are pushing, goading the left to get riled up. – Why?
They don’t concern themselves with consequences, or future viability of the nation. They will happily loot and plunder until there is nothing left.
We have evolved a remarkably ignorant class of leaders, people who excel at nothing except self-promotion and somehow manage to fail upward. Most of them could not pass a high school civics test.
They obviously want a fight and they are doing in group appeals they think they need an enemy maybe to rally people against because their healthcare ideas can’t rally anyone?
But they need an overt act from us an outrageous one to engage the public.
Agreed.
Exactly.
Overconfidence? Gall? Enclosed? Or are we wrong about their intellect?
But really, staying home is what they are afraid of, because there will not be a primary, and there will almost certainly not be a viable 3rd party candidate.
I can go with that, wait we already established they are self destructive it does not matter how smart you are if your on a self destructive streak.
Why because you are lying to yourself!
If they want turnout they’d need to pick a fight with the right, istead they are codling them and fighting us, what gives? How’s that going to get us to vote for them? Or are they making stipulations where in they calculate the electoral effects of t-baggers upon the voter breakdown?
What else could be at play, qui bono? – how?
I expect that Rahm has a plan to win back the Left. I just don’t think he can execute it. And I am not sure how uncomfortable to be about it.
But that is why I am not in that administration, and we have done noting but underestimate him/them from the start.
Who knows what they will roll out next?
Victoria Reggie Kennedy (Ted’s wife) has penned a WaPoo op-ed saying Ted would want the bill to pass… because the opportunity will not come again for a generation.
No analysis of the merits or DEMERITS of the actual package. Pretty disappointing regurgitation of the shallow case being made by others for passage.
I’d like to believe that if Ted was still in the Senate, the bill in question would not be the utterly disgraceful piece of garbage we are now facing. I’m certain it would have flaws but (hopefully) would still have retained some morsel of genuine reform.
Always the optimist
If they were just fighting us, that would be one thing.
Instead, they are punking, and they are using their elbows.
They are apparently comfortable with that. I still can’t see what reward they expect from it.
They don’t want us to vote for them. They want to kill the Progressive movement they want business as usual. To bad they are the ones destroying the system.
Well, Rahm can’t dazzle anyone with brilliance, so he must be planning to baffle us with bullshit.
There is nothing if not ‘calculatedness’ about being a politician, are they miss-judging the temperature, the emotions of the electorate? Is the absence of protests sending them false signals?
I’m just unnerved by the talking points of people, behind the hottest Branding campaign not, reading the public?!?
What possible scenario even with Rahm’s logic could think any plan could work? I am not looking to tear apart the reasoning I’m looking to see how you think he thinks.
A smart man lying to himself why what does he lie to himself about?
Then they have calculated that the alternative will be so odious that we have little choice, or that staying home will not hurt them.
Another alternative – the polling is wrong, and we in this little blog are the only truly pissed constituency.
I’m not sure it’s HOW he thinks that matters, but perhaps how FAR.
I’m thinking they need to bailout the insurance industry forcing us to buy health insurance would explain why Obama betrayed us on healthcare.
Bingo, they play good cop to the GOP’s bad cop. The GOP plays good cop to the Dem’s bad cop for their base. It’s more than a little ironic because in reality they are all crooks but the important thing to remember is that they’re on the same side… and it ain’t ours.
What long term goal is the end game?
Absolutely, but what is the winning strategy in attacking the liberals, the progressives, the deaniacs, and socialists?
Alternatives:
Obama’s HC initiative is defeated – Goopers crow and Obama (and the party) is/are mortally wounded.
Obama’s HC initiative passes as currently constituted, and the effects are so far past ’12 that no one (but us) realizes how badly served they are – he is reelected.
Obama’s HC initiative passes as currently constituted, and the effects are apparent to all – he is defeated.
And that’s just the HC debate.
There are many more.
They loot the U.S. until it collapses then move their families to the subtropical paradise formerly known as Antarctica.
As I said, I have no idea.
They had the horses and the mandate, and instead they trod the Right path.
It might be just this simple:
Democrats are incapable of getting their shit together, no matter how many obstacles their opposition has.
Get the GOP and Tea Baggers off their back and on ours we are more Left than Obama so they should hate us more. The weasels want to join with their abusers to abuse a third party us!
OT – such a beautiful snowstorm here south of DC .. mother nature roolz!
I read Jane’s piece today.
We DO have more in common with TeaBaggers than with our elected.
It is a world gone mad.
It might be that they have purposefully shortened the cycle by which the two parties take turns being in power. Political operatives take a pay cut while in office, returning to the private sector every few years to rake in some dough before doing another stint in government would kind of make sense… EXCEPT that would be akin to the multidimensional chess I keep hearing about and I don’t think any of them are that talented.
The polls show the t-baggers pissed at the government and not interested in playing with the Republicans (t-baggers are largely Libertarians). We’re pissed at the gov. ‘baggers and us are succinctly an ally against them. The Republicans are becoming a rump party? They feel they’d win in a 4 horse race?
16″ magical!
Alky reasoning is self serving to get another drink deny they have a problem. Its also delusional.
They want the current corrupt system to keep serving them drinks they deny they have a problem and we are the annoying friend trying to get them clean.
Addicts tend to hurt the ones closest to them. How can we take away their keys without destroying the economy and everything else?
We can’t.
We let them stay on this course and we are set back how many years? After Bush, I did not think it possible…
We light them up electorally and we reward the country and the planet with… President Pawlenty?
This is a very tight spot.
He missed the bit about how we’ve learned from experience to tell the BS from real news.
I’m late to this thread, and someone’s probably made this observation already, but I think blaming the White House communications director for something like this is a bit like blaming the mirror for what you see in it. This is the Obama White House, not some funhouse reflection of it. They don’t want health care reform that makes their big contributors uncomfortable.
And by the way, there are more Supreme Court justices to be confirmed, and right soon, too.
Hope they enjoy the six-month winters. It’s still the South Pole, and it’s going to be nothing but ice-scoured rock for the next century or so.
How does one play multi-dimensional chess? Do you do need a tesseract? Or will a coffee table do?
Oboy, Corporate Personhood will be elevated to the VIP rank.
Nothing we can do matters if healthcare passes as is forcing people to buy insurance will ignite a firestorm. Killing Healthcare before that happens is our only move now.
Maybe drinking helps :)
I went to lunch with my very old parents today. We sat in a booth at a crappy “Chinese” restaurant and listened to TeaBaggers at the banquet table, 6 or more. They were so warm and caring to each other. There was the same Love we all know. They were having an animated ,engaged and humorous discussion of local events[we're not far removed on some issues], with the women happily organizing their T-Bag Party stuff. You couldn’t help but find common bounds when you looked at their body language/caring sincerity. I personally honor sincerity as a top-tier goal. In that aspect, I admired them.
But, the shit that came out of their mouths. Fuck!! We have a huge PR boulder to roll up a shitty little gully.
We’ve had an on going Peace Vigil vs Bush War Vigil going in our community since the beginning under currents to the threat of war on Iraq. It’s weird to eat crappy Chinese food among people who have grown so old in the seperate protests.
Seeing Rahm and Obama try and play I think the rules are like Calvin ball.
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Time to print the bumper stickers for Howard Dean.
And print them the way that Bernanke would print money.
It is too bad we did not start a fire under Obama when he failed to solidly back a strong _ health care reform _ package. We watched him throw it to the wolves, again and again. Too much Rockefeller money from his previous campaigns for him to behave in any other way than he did – which was to simply stand aside and let the wolves beat down the door.
Yes, and despite our desire to see the party and the President taught a stern lesson, they have to remain an actual viable party and President.
How do we do this without mortally wounding them?
The nature of their insults says more about them than it does about who they insult. I think thats why we try to be civil here that and a while ago every time someone swore on a lefty blog the Right would use that as an example to smear all of us I think thats when FDL was first called the foul mouthed fem blog.
They kind of stopped after the other blogs started posting the swears, death threats etc they found on the righty blogs.
It seems they are to cheap to hire mods.
Don’t know we need something to change first I see stalemate as it is now.
as they would surely do unto us and in fact are trying; we have to be bold and brave and nip their foul dreams in the bud. “destroy the village to save it”?
It usually does.
President… Pawlenty
President… Romney
President… Huckabee
President Huntsman (actually the best of the bunch, IMHO)
President ???
Our poison will not be up to us.
I do not see an attractive choice with either party. And let’s not kid ourselves – Dr. Dean is far too smart to try it, but I would work like in 2004 if he does.
Even low information voters or downright dumb people either don’t have insurance or have to pay for it each month. People know about health care, even dumb ones. You can’t spin healthcare and the WH will soon figure that out if they’re really that stupid at the moment.
Peterr,
As a person without religion I have to ask. Where are all the other churches when the despotic Catholic Bishops who hate “c’s” as the gate to the Devil,who fester child rapists, where exactly are any major churches defending a Womans Right to chose the coarse of her own body. Not subject to Church or State.
Who do the T-baggers want?
Ron Paul?
Lot’s of agreeable stuff and then some fucking large major differences on size of government in commission of aid and equality to all citizens, and surely on Randianism.
An uncomfortable Truce because we are so FUCKING sick of these government as lackey to real Wellfare Queens on both side that they will simply have to go?
Ah, hell, one can dream…
Ultimately, I think my point is, if we could have held on to the House Progressives and they stood up strong from the start, we could have established a line that could not be crossed.
As Rahm peeled them off, we fell into chaos.
There is a problem in the administration, where people are put in positions (ie, Geithner at Treasury and did not pay his taxes and is over the IRS?) that present problems. They are FOB (friends of barack) and they are seemingly excused and given a way out. Daschel was prevented by pressure, but the president had a plan b for him. This wh is disconnected from the american taxpayers (as is the democrat congress) and does not understand the underlying anger with the spending and phony use of the word ‘transperancy’. Health care reform is a concern for republicans and independents too, and the bill drafted by a few and behind closed doors.
ARE sacastic responses from the press secretary worthy of inclusion for their failures?
Evening everyone
I’d settle for a new COS.
On Moyers tonight Taibbi and Kuttner said that one of Obama’s problems is that no one is DC fears him. He’s a pushover.
Watching the Dems try and sell this thing is painful. You can tell for most of them their heart is just not in it, but what do they do? I just can’t believe they let Lieberman, Nelson, et. al threaten and hold the entire caucus hostage as if the conservative senators had nothing to lose by sabotaging the cornerstone of their own party’s platform. It’s absurd. Why not just bring it to a vote, see if Lieberman actually has the shameless gall to filibuster his own party/caucus, and then if he actually does you have a perfectly legitimate scapegoat and move on to reconciliation. There’s been a lot of speculation about how ugly a result we’re likely to get out of reconciliation, but I’m willing to roll the dice and bet it’s not any worse than what we’ve got, a very expensive plan w/an individual mandate and no price controls to speak of. That’s pretty bad my friends.
In the past, they’ve been able to lull people into backing off their rage by throwing a few crumbs out. That’s what they are doing here and that’s why they keep thinking that once it passes, they’ll be heroes. They haven’t figured out yet that the game has changed. They went too far and too many people are hurting too badly not to pay attention.
I think they are declaring war and trying to marginalize the left. They’ve been doing it in more subtle ways for months now, but Dean’s shot across the bow at this crucial moment encouraged them to kick it up a few notches. I really think they are still in a country that will go along with the marginalization and see the left as being as irrationally crazy as the right wing teabaggers. Only the centrists are serious and rational and all that, don’t you know. Also, can I just say how much I want to scream every time a pundit talks about this being a center right country? Well, it is, but only because the govt is fighting to stay behind while the people have moved on.
What amazes me is that not one single goddamn senator (not even Sanders, for fux sake) is willing to stand against this POS bill for the right reasons.
It was equally disturbing to see the House progressive caucus fold uplast month, and only TWO principled congressmen (Eric Massa & Dennis Kucinich) vote no on that crappy House bill for the right reasons.
I asked Blumenauer’s office yesterday if he stands by his pledge to vote no on any bill without a public option. They told me he no longer will abide by that.
These pricks are without merit.
Bill Friske , when he was majority Leader of the Senate tried to pass, like it was an emergency, no overtime for the police, firemen and nurses. Bill and family owned a chain of hospitals.
The dem. leaders fought it. So they just enacted a lot of their ideas through the Sec. of Labor. I remember hearing Arlen Spectre asking Sec. Chow , (sp?) if nurses were included in their “new” guidelines. She did not know. In some parts of the country, these “new” guidelines are still in place.
Same thing going on now with cap and trade. Energy credits sold from non working power plants. In fact, the Conn AG just argued a case before the Supreme Court about 50 million dollars charged to New England rate payers through Iso New England for energy not provided.Sorry to get off topic.
Sure , Obama is a push over. What can you do when you are a president of a fascist nation?
gbush was on the same page with the fascists. bill clinton too.
You know who i’m frustrated with? So-called progressive activists. Why aren’t you out there on the streets? Holding marches. Where were you during the town-hall fiascos in August? Now we have to mobilize and push for Senate reconciliation for the public option.
Interesting thread… good morning random humans.
I could talk for days about what I imagine to be happening, and probably be no less rational than a lot of the other discussion going on in the country.
We had hoped the right wing would be irretrievably split, but instead, they are successfully endeavoring to incorporate, rather than disenfranchise their fringe. It’s obvious from their media, they just don’t care how far out they go, as long as they maintain issues solidarity and loyalty from the parrot platoons.
We, on the other hand, mmmm, not so much.
I’ve been watching with a wary eye, cynicism and low expectations on a host of issues and events. We haven’t had a real challenger to the corporate oligarchy and MIC since RFK, frankly. I thought, “We haven’t had a non-Southern Dem in the WH since JFK.” I tried not to cry at the inauguration and I still have a head ache. You can’t argue with the facts.
The neocon agenda in the Mid-East, frankly, marches on. The neo-liberal agenda in Latin America and Africa, marches on. The fake MSM media, and infiltrated online media, continues to push the nation right-ward… blacking out whole regions of the planet as if it were behind the Iron Curtain… picking and choosing what is, and is not “news.”
We’re actually discussing an alliance with the Libertarians on shared issues, like War, Empire, and this BS Health Ins. “reform.” I’ve been talking about it for years. I have tons of friends so far right they would scare the hell out of Lyndon LaRouche. We talk, I write… I have reams in my hard drive on the subject of coalition building of this sort.
I have to tell ya… you don’t want “no part” of these people. When their idyllic, post crash America comes about, these noveau revolutionaries and champions of liberty, will not HESITATE to put your ass on the trains.
Somebody stole the “Arbeit Macht Frei” sign at Auschwitz. Any bets on where it’s heading?
Oh, so the questions above remind me of the “who dunnit” game trying to figure out why we really attacked Iraq. In this current scenario, ask yourself, who benefits from destabilizing the most heavily armed and dangerous nation in human history? Nationless transnational corporate oligarchs… this little side show on health care, is just a skirmish of the Titans. We’re pawns. Petro-chem beat Nuclear, short term, that’s why we have a weirdly “liberal” MSNBC, (that and the fact they need the illusion of an operational First Amendment, to allay media reform). Megapharm and Wall Street are just slicing up the pie, preparing to gorge. Hillary Care II, shoveling us all into the maw of the these two, will be the end of the Democratic Party, when the tax for junk care becomes the rallying cry of the Right and Center. They’re defining “good Democrats” by their loyalty now, marshaling the partisans for the onslaught of dissent they know is coming, post legislation.
We elect Obama and end up with Hillary Care: Yes HRC did propose that all peoples be mandated to purchase health insurance.
How would our govt. be any different if hill had been elected. Rahm would not be chief of staff…only difference. Hill does not like rahm . She and the rest of the world.
My guess is that they are fully expecting Palin or some male version of the same to arise from the tea bagger strongholds. Then they will offer the hand of friendship to the wayward hippies. No concessions, just a chance to avoid Armageddon.
What I expect is that the current economic equilibrium, such as it is, will not hold much beyond next year and most of us will very busy pumping water on the fires. States including California, New Jersey and New York will have to start slash and burn in the next year as unemployment reduces tax revenues. Hide the failures in the chaos.