ENOUGH

Matthews was unnecessarily harsh on Dean and did not, as usual, give him an opportunity to respond to many points. Them Landrieu came on with her nutbag version of history insisting Obama did not campaign on a public option when indeed he did an Matthews did not allow Dean to rebut. By the way, Landrieu is frighteningly similar in tone, look, demeanor and deafness to Liz Cheney.

I’m not entirely sure that I’m very fond of Joe Lieberman.

Who died and made unHoly Joe king?

One of these days Charlie is going to run up and punt Lucy.

they want to see how evil the ‘Lesser Evil’ can get before (D) captured ‘progressives’ finally say ENOUGH! (thanks gayle!) and back it up by withholding future support for the failed roach motel for Hope-n-Change that is the Democratic Party.

I think I may enter a hermitage on a desert island somewhere and tell them all to go fuck themselves.

I thought the notion that Lieberman is responsible for this piece of shit Senate bill had already been thoroughly debunked.

He certainly helped get it to its current state of crappiness.

Hiya,rat!

We need our own “Gulch”

Right now I am off to bed and hope for visions of Sugar Plum Fairies

You all enjoy.

But nowhere near and nothing like Galt’s egocentric, self centered sewer ditch.

Night.

Absolutely not! Meditation and Chardonnay. Good books too..

Nite.

Hi PJ.

I’m not inclined to blame anyone at this point except Obama, who never provided any semblance of credible leadership in the endeavor.

I had a will contest like this. The stereotype of the sons of the first marriage sue the shit out the second wife. Every time, my last capitulation was their new bargaining position. Took about 3 rounds before I changed lawyers and said FU. Best approach.

G’nite, tell the SPFs that I said, “Hi.”

Exactly. He is the leader of the Democratic party and he is supposed to fucking lead, not sit back and let everyone scatter every which way.

Limp dick leadership.

Yep, we discussed that a while back. My comparable experience only took two years and two fired attorneys to resolve. Sounded like your ordeal was much worse.

I don’t think Dem’s ever took a math, calculus or a statistic class. If a reliable independent votes Republican, where are you going to scare up two more votes to nullify that?

Yes, those early comparisons to Tiger were greatly overstated.

We have a limp dick. The R’s have Boener.

5 years and 3 lawyers. Whatta learning experience that I could have done without.

That’s the old version. In the new version Lucy [Joe] takes the football, gives to the other side and then blocks his own team while the opponents score the touchdown.

Only later do we find out he was actually playing for the other team all along.

A mole I think they call it. Although for some us, we always knew he was playing for the other side. After all, we followed the career of his coach, Barack Obama.

UnHoly Joe is also threatening to turn GOoPer.
Since for all practical purposes he already is one, I figure hand him his hat and his coat, and wish him lot of luck with the pissed-off voters in CT.

You have that backwards. Lieberman was the coach.

Look, i think it’s true what others have said – that Lieberman is taking a hit – gladly so – for Obama who’s getting the bill he wants. Lieberman is still a walking, talking douche nozzle.

Ah, that would explain the gurgling.

Obama mention that yet?

Has a President ever changed parties while in office? I know Senators and Congressmen have. I know a couple of candidates a long time ago ran in a different party, but wonder if a sitting President has changed. I doubt it.

It’s all such bullshit. The Republican Party moved so far right, and got so fucking batshit crazy, that all they really had was the fringe. So the rest of the right of center with a few brain cells working shifted to the Democratic Party, and now the Democratic Party is probably further right than the Republican Party was in the 1970′s.

There has never been a better time for a third party. Never.

Frankly, I don’t think Obama had any strong preferences for the specifics. He just wanted a bill, any bill, that he could call health care reform. He was fairly obviously willing to deal or sacrifice anything to get that.

Obama is complicit because of his conscience-free indifference as to what he passes, as long as it’s moderate, mediocre and toothless. Lieberman is the guiltier by forcing on us the worst of all the bad possibilities that the president would otherwise accept.

If it were really an indifferent Obama against a determined Liarman, I’d agree. Problem is, I don’t agree it was an indiffent Obama.

I believe, truly believe, Obama used Liarrman to get the health care bill he wanted, not the other way around. Liarman was just set up as the fall guy because he and Obama knew Liarman’s political career (at least in Connecticut) was over. He had sealed that deal when he campaigned for McCain and spoke at the RNC convention last year.

The fact that Obama was cutting closed door PhRMA deals at the outset suggests to me that he wanted a corporate welfare package all along, one that he could spin as being in the public interest. He might end up getting the package he wanted but it’s not going to be easy to spin.

The public option was his preference. Remember when he was going around saying that? Bullshit. Asshole.

If I wanted a health care “reform” bill written by Joe Lieberman, I would have worked for, voted for, and donated to John McCain for President in 2008.

Again, I don’t think Obama is indifferent, I think Joe was essentially acting as his surrogate.

Obama’s occasional public flatulence regarding a PO never passed the smell test.

really. and Palin, too. Don’t you forget Sarah, now.

a wet fart it was.

Jason Rosenberg said, “I’m fairly sure that if the entirety of the bill were the words “Comprehensive Health Care Bill of 2009,” the White House would support it.”

(emphasis mine)

“The bill … will never see the light of day,” McConnell promised.

Who?

Is that a Yoda quote?

He may actually be right.

I’ve thought for some time that we’re gonna end up with a shitty bill, and the odds are still strongly in that favor. But this week, for the first time, I and folks I’ve spoken to feel like there is a very real chance that this doesn’t get done, and doesn’t see the light of day.

Now that’s hope I can support.

I am not sure but what that is just part of dealing to get some kind of bill passed. I think he saw what happened to Bill Clinton and decided to pre-empt them. Of course he was willing to give away half the bank to do that. I am not exempting him from responsibility for the reeking monstrosity, I just don’t think he was playing any 11 zillion dimensional head fake chess.

oh I agree that the president’s complicity is not a passive one. He wants a bill passed and knew from the beginning that the easiest one to pass and therefore the one he wanted would be the one that appealed to least-common-denominators like Lieberman.. so he enabled Lieberman to control the process to secure the end he knew would be the outcome, getting to it all the more painlessly.

One is a cynically adept manipulator. The other is a malignancy on the spine of the party.

Now that is not very “post-partisan” of you, Teddy.

I don’t understand this, although I agree with you.
Someone goes through all those years of campaigning just to get “a bill, any bill” passed?
Without a care or a thought to how this will affect people who live on very small incomes?
Why?

Chris Matthews is an Idiot!

I feel better now.

I concur.

Remember when he told about seeing his mother in the hospital with cancer, struggling with the insurance companies, and how he wanted to make it different? What happened?

He is certainly no chess master and a piss-poor poker player.

Because he is a conciliator. It is what he does. He is all about finding some mythical middle ground that can bring us all together to sing Kumbaya and eat smores.

Ahh… ES, Tweety does have his flashes of brilliance… Once, every other blue moon…! ;-)

Obama took some hits from Olberman and Ed Shultz tonight. DeMint may have been right. This could well be Obama’s Waterloo, one of his own making, however. The base is abandoning him. Independents, who wanted real leadership and not his fetish for “bipartisanship”, are abandoning him as well.

He got elected.

I also remember Al Gore at the Dem convention in ’96(?) talking about how watching his sister die of lung cancer inspired him to take on Big Tobacco… even though he didn’t quit growing it on his farm until many years later.

Yeah and that’s not chocolate in the smores.

Next year Blue dogs, New Dems, Moderate Dems, and the Republicans with Obama at the helm will start selling of all things, places, services and entitlements that are in the public domain at rock bottom prices to decrease the deficits.

Anyone interested in a non NeoFeudalist America better figure out how to primary the New Dems, and Blue Dogs in 2010!

The $64,000 question.

He’ll have to answer that one himself, preferably sooner rather than later.
I’d like to see reporters asking that one every week. (They can draw straws for whose turn it is to ask. Especially since it may get them made unpersons as far as being called on.)

yeah, so much for that elevendy level chess I was so hoping was being played.

Anyone know who’s on Late Late tonight?

I’m getting a little bit sleepy (lol), but if it’s Suzanne I would like to be up to thank her for something. Anyone know?

Dammit! If I’d gotten my s’more by now I might be inclined to view him more favorably.

What happened? He was elected.

This month has a Blue Moon, btw

We plan on celebrating with Blue Moon Beer

Granny: “What comes after eleventy-eleven?”

Jane Hathaway: “Eleventy-twelve.”

It was Suzanne last night, so guessing ES.

Not me. I do not make nice with the psychobilly whackjobs on the right. There is no fucking middle ground with them.

we need to learn to mistrust people whose glibness, glamor and affability substitute for thought. That applies to the president, his war criminal pedecessor and Al Gore.

I didn’t elect someone to conciliate for me, I elected someone to fight for better conditions for us in this country. Shit.

*sigh*

I find it so hard to even listen to him speak anymore, so deep is my disappointment.

Ditto.

I don’t. I just turn off the TV.

Yup, cream isn’t the only thing that rises.

always worth a listen, no fresher music on the interToobz

Agreed. And he is a great speaker. But it’s all a marketing scheme. Knowing that makes it near impossible for me to listen to him too.

Oh Margot, I know. And I really did have hopes and dreams…

I don’t often disagree with ya, but I do on this one.

I think the evidence is irrefutable that Obama has been shilling for the corps and the private insurers from the get go, on their behalf, to conctruct HCR that is a GIVEAWAY to them. He’s blocked every possible real reform at every turn.

There’s been a list put up a few times in the past couple of days, showing private insurers donations to Senators. Obama was ON that list, at #2 behind only McCain, since ’03 or ’05 (I forget which don’t hang me).

That means he’s taken MORE money, in his short term as a Senator, than anyone else other than McCain!

Obama is bought, and paid off. And he’s getting the HCR bill he wanted from Baucas and the Senate Finan Committee, one that bestows NO restrictions upon the industry, and sticks it to the masses whole force.

It’s as plain as day.

I’m quite surprised at your comment.

Yep, ES picks some good ones. Don’t know if I’ll be able to stay up late again, though.

Ahh, thanks RF.

Eyes are burning and having to shake my head to stay awake. Just wanted to thank her. She struck a real nerve with me today with her letter. Think I’ll go ahead and give in to the sleepies.

Nite all. Stay well, stay safe, and mostly stay right where you’re at politically. The folks here are on the right side, you can tell by the posters and commenters, even if it is a minority.

Nite all.

difficult in a post-literate society

Obama managed to get elected on a “change” platform without articularly nary a single solid policy prescription for what he would change and how he would change it. shrub didn’t even bother with a platform, he just used his rustic charm and romantic western conceits and punted his way into horror and atrocity.

I’ve been voting since Carter, so I know disappointment, but never ever like this.
Now I know how people I’ve been trying to get registered to vote feel. I thought they were cranks. They all had some version of “You think it makes a difference who you vote for? You’re fucking stupid. They put someone up, he’s the man.”
Now, for the first time, I think they just might be right.

I’m still glad we hear him from the Bully Pulpit rather than McCain… Small consolation, I know, but, any consolation will do these days…!

Obama is not indifferent!!! Neither is Rahm!!!

This is the sellout they got paid to provide their corporate overlords!

This is a meme that must be destroyed, that Obama is indifferent.

Frankly, the talk should be turning to, WHY THE FUCK IS OBAMA dedicated to passing a shit bill that will get him UNELECTED in ’12, and will kill Dem’s in ’10?

And in that respect Obama is worse than Bush, who could never disappoint because our expectations were SO low from the outset.

Thank you.
Voice of reason . . . *G*

Letter?

Sleep well, my friend.

Now, now… use your inside voice.

I just don’t think he is that clever to have pulled off the charade during the campaign. Everything I see points to his bipartisan fetish at the heart of this. I am not saying that he is not unduly influenced by the corporate interests, or at least the representatives (hi, Rahm, Ben, Tim, & Larry!), just that I don’t see the evidence that he has been working for them all along.

Howdy firepeeplez!

That was the good thing about the Cold War. Fear that the Soviets could surpass us provided incentive to pour resources into education.

Now… not so much.

This is the part I don’t get.

Obama and his admin and the dem’s passing a corp welfare package.

It will doom them at the polls in midterms and next General.

They don’t CARE about getting re-elected! I can’t figure that one out yet.

Not to mention, this moment in history that Obama has passed up. He coulda been a hero.

One of the biggest heroes since Bhudda, Christ, or MLK.

And he’s taken a pass on it, doomed himself to one term, and infamy in history’s books.

I don’t get that, I just don’t get that. It’s a deliberate move, too. A loser move.

Or, he was threatened with his life and the life of his family. That’s the ONLY thing I can think of that accounts for it all. Cuz the rest is him killing his political and social legacy in one fell swoop.

I don’t get it, there’s something we don’t know and it would have to be HUGE to move a President to do this.

But he’s not going to get re-elected! So what about Clinton is he looking to take from this?

They’ve been banking on the electorate being gullible enough that with enough spin we’ll believe they did something for our benefit.

As I mentioned in an earlier thread, in ’12 we’ll be informed that Barack is the biggest populist since Jesus. If he is reelected, in ’13 it will be back to business as usual… kiss up and kick down.

I don’t buy that for one minute . . . I DO buy that Obama was working for the insurance company’s all along, and still is. THEN, your meme has legs . . . .

I voted for change and this is what I ended up with? It seems that all we did is turn our panties inside out. Now the shit stain is on the outside. Thank’s Mr President.

Or the re-election is already in the bag and he doesn’t have to worry about it.
I know that sounds crazy, I’m kind of test-driving it to see what I think of it. But I’m told stuff like that every day. Maybe there is something in the water here that predisposes people to conspiracy theories.

Kelly!

Sorry, you caught me on the way out. Might check in later after Bob is tucked in. Not certain though, pretty tired.

Have a splendid evening, y’all.

*shrugs*

where you see conspiracy, I see arrogance and hubris… an intellectual laziness that comes of being more glib than smart. I’m not sure it makes much of a difference. We’re lost irrespective.

I went to the same schools as Obama, albeit a decade later, and with an MBA instead of a JD. I think I understand the type. There isn’t a grand conspiracy. Just a failure of political will. And a belief that pretty words and a pretty face can substitute for having a plan… and a conscience.

He’s a paid political whore.

You are interjecting upon him and the situation a sociological overlay that diverts from the reality.

Wow… That was quick…! From earlier today…

Blue Shield of California gets tough over late payments…

…The health insurer will end an additional 15-day grace period but keep its 28-day reprieve. Those who miss a payment risk an immediate loss of coverage.

To this later in the day…

Blue Shield drops harsh cancellation policy…

… San Francisco-based Blue Shield told its policyholders recently, if they paid their insurance premium late, they could lose their insurance. However, late Wednesday afternoon, after facing tough questions from ABC7 and policyholders, Blue Shield reversed that policy.

Imagine that…! ;-)

I did not say he was right. It is just the way he thinks. Again, he is a conciliator. He thinks he can solve all the worlds problems by just bringing everyone together and finding a middle ground. It probably generally worked for him as a community organizer. Of course that doesn’t work with modern Republicans or corporate tools like Nelson and Landrieu, but that is the way he sees the world.

Olberman, Special Comment. Half Devoted To Our President. Olberman Calls For Outright Revolution. Don’t Pay For Mandated Coverage! Pleas To His Viewers.

Hey RF – was thinking about you a bunch today.

Hope to see you later.

me either, he is past my bedtime, too.

Have I ever told you how much my kittehs want to meet Bob ;)

Time for me to toddle off. One more day of grading and I am done for another semester. Hopefully, I will be done by noon. Take care all.

Did you hear that? Sounded like, velcro or somethin’…

Oh, just Larue, never mind. “g”

Poor long-suffering Bob. I ordered him a kitteh proof suit for xmas… Bob says, “Bring it on!”

G’nite Ellie.

Perhaps some think they’ll do something like Daschle. More money, better hours… They’re just auditioning right now.

I feel the same way. A narcissistic, duplicitous phony. His fetish for bipartisanship has been nothing more than cover for his true corporatist ways.

Um, I WAS!

*G*

Sweet dreams, Señor

Wow, well, you have kinder eyes for the evidence than I do.

Most unusual, I am finding this . . .

the disappointment is as deep as a well.

Obama, Rahm, and Reid. These are the ones that are taking down the party. Consider the fact that the tea-baggers are conducting purity purges in the GOP. When(not if) they come back into power we will truly decend into a banana republic.

It’s the time honored tradition of civil disobedience. This could turn into a peoples insurrection. Maybe Obama’s new jobs program will be more prisons to house all those insurrectionists. If this bill passes with the mandate he will lose all legitimacy for governing.

He could be a conciliator thinking he’ll be able to give the big contributers a pay-off and also make the populous happy in some mythical middle ground… eating shit.

Chris Mathews is FRICKIN PATHETIC, I HATE THAT COCK SUCKER and progressives should boy cot his tv show. This clown is a total frickin blue do to the max!

I would think the electorate has proven it wants change.

70% of it wanted HCR with public option or such.

I don’t think they think they can FOOL the electorate that way.

I don’t think they can . . . I think people are pissed, across the aisles, across econ spectrums, poor or not.

They are gonna go APE shit on Obama and dem’s for having to pay something they can’t afford and for being denied all the while due to any NUMBER or reasons!!!

I’m tellin ya Rat, somethings hinky, and someone is making some REAL bad decisions.

I’m saying the corps have overstepped their ability to leverage power and control, and they went too far to try and do so. And the people will rebel. Plain and simple.

hahahaha!

Pretty platitudes in one hand and a handful of horse shit in the other. I was so busy clapping that I didn’t even notice… Change we can believe in? I’ve got horse shit all over my Sunday clothes. Now what am I going to do?

Send the shit stained clothes to the WH.

You have that backwards. Lieberman was the coach.

Not to mention the other way around.

On Wall Street of course the players and the coaches are generally interchangable. “A scab is a scab”, as they say.

If you don’t believe this though ask the winning team’s general manager, Rham Emanuel.

Re-election in the bag would imply what, electronic voter machines?

No, I think a simpler thing is he got hired to do a job, he’s done it, he’ll get rewarded for it (maybe he was threatened after being elected). And so, he turns it all over to the repubs in ’10 and ’12, and walks away unharmed and loaded for the rest of his life.

Same with all the dem’s in Senate, regarding FISA, TARP, HCR, Bank/Finan Reform.

House Reps, they always fall to the Senate’s pleasure on all issues, but they are leveraged and bought, too.

That’s my vision of it, so far, and ‘splains the lack of any reforms in the time we most need it across the board.

I’d much rather man up and fight arrogance and hubris than a well planned conspiracy that has my every move and the moves of the entire masses analyzed and ready to counter, ruthlessly if need be.

He just wanted a bill, any bill, that he could call health care reform.

This makes sense only if you believe the majority of American citizens are naive and gullible enough to fall for the part about it being reform.

Okay, okay, it does make sense.

In a senseless sort of way.

I suspect Joe and Rahm have been spending quality time together.

Supports my theory the 1% have completely failed to read the writing on the walls from the masses and continue to think they can act in any manner they want. They are pushing the envelope to bursting, and they don’t even know it.

Wow.

Don’t feel bad, we all went for it. After eight years of Bush we were desperate and clutching at straws. On the other hand… Oh screw it, I really can’t think about it. It’s too depressing.

Hmmm . . . Ok, I get that . . thanks for taking the time to mention it a few times, too.

But if that were the case, then by now he’s GOT to be spinning out of control knowing he’s got NO control over all of it, regardless what his handlers are telling him . . . . His house of cards are falling, the reality MUST be getting to him.

Do you see any signs of this on him physically, or in his speaking, or policy or actions? I don’t.

And NO conciliator of his largesse could STAND to be out of control like this . . .

I wonder if the republic has grown too large. It doesn’t seem that there is anything the public can do to hold these clowns accountable for anything. Anything resembling reform to get the moneyed class out of the business of writing the bills our congress people vote on doesn’t work. Real reform to help the sick, unemployed, etc. will never see the light of day in these times. WTF can the American people do? I’m so pissed at the Democratic party I could puke. I’m hoping Santa brings me a third party for the holidays. Piss on these filthy buggers!

Thing, thing a thong, thing out loud . . . . ;-)

Quit making fun of my lithp, you big dork!

(smooch!)

unfortunately, the conspirators tend to work in tandem with the cynics. My personal suspicion is that Lieberman’s one of the old guard … the American equivalent of the landowners and industrialists who conspired with the CIA to depose Allende and install Pinochet in Chile. shrub, Cheney, Etc etc are all part of this entitled, corrupt and corporatist cabal.

Obama, Holder, Geithner, etc etc enable the cabal and are in turn empowered by it… the cabal feeds their cynical ambition, greed, neediness and laziness. And, in return, they turn a willful blind eye to the cabal’s actions.

This description is grossly simplistic, of course. But there may be elements of truth to it.

It’s a thought that has crossed my mind more than once. As for a third party, remember the Reform party and Buchanan’a brownshirts.

I’m beginning to see this all as a Vince McMahon scripted cage match. Who wins? War Hero/Caribou Barbie or Si Se Puede/Joe Teef?

I really was shocked when I watched the vid of KO tonight. And yes, civil disobedience, the kind that history tells great tales of. The kind we are desperate for right now.

No comment about prisons and how large scale civil disobedience might be handled.

And, as to Obama’s legitimacy for governing? After FISA, TARP, now HCR, AfPak/Iraq, and where I think bank/finan reform will go, I think he’s lost it badly. Worst failure ever, this soon in office.

I’m rapidly becoming a non fan. Took a long while, and overwhelming evidence, but I think I’ve seen enough to say, I’m agin him.

Then am I enabling this cabal by voting?

No, he’s not that good at hiding stuff.
He has bad taste in advisers and cabinet members, and those are the people who the insurance companies and the banks bought.

Less obvious, and cheaper. (Well, Rahm might not be cheaper.)

Yeah, DR. Dick is on that page, but I already see enough evidence that the right wing don’t buy Obama’s shit, and now the dem voters are splitting rapidly on not buying Obama’s shit . . . it’s pretty obvious, and should have been obvious to his handlers and team LONG ago they couldn’t pull this shit smelling sheep’s wool over our eyes again.

Not after 8 years of Bush, and for many of us, the past 40 years to draw from . . .

So, they really screwed up thinking they could fool the masses with a pile of steaming meadow wafers.

Kelly!

Hey, it’s hard to kiss the lips of the ass that chews you out all night long.

Thong you very much, I’ll be here all week, try the veal pen . . .

too large, I think. too complex. too corrupt.. with weakened institutions and crumbling systems of governance, no longer scaled in such a way as to assure productive functioning. And so the rule of law and principle comes to be replaced by the rule of weak, petty and pretty men, quite without regard to all that failed social infrastructure

it’s precisely why I detested Obama from the first time I heard him speak. I respect engineers and statesmen, not pretty demagogues whose only skill is their aptitude for stirring up crowds.

How sad when people can remeber the Reagan administration as the good old days.

Over heard in the White House:

Obama: “Can we have single payer”?

Liberman:”No”

Obama: “How about a public option”?

Liberman: “No”

Obama: “Can we at least name it health care reform”?

Lieberman: “Yes, but I may change my mind before tomorrow”.

Dude, I’m with you on this from the early 50′s forward.

Hell, my father was caught up in it all in the mid 50′s in SE Asia. Our family was.

The French slaughter at Dien Bien Phu paved the way.

Air America still flies . . . deals are done, money changes hands, pallet fulls of arms and money are still lost.

And Milo Minderbender is still grinning that grin.

Vivid sense of humor, and bilingual, at that!

I am so freaking lost – asses now have lips?

And welcome, screwedagain.

@CE: *waving hi!*

@ Larue: Yanno I love ya, ya big mook.
I gotta have someone to foil, and yer just so beautiful! I smooch you yet again!

oh newt,
I’m lost, too.

He didn’t say that . . . you provacateaur . . .

I wish I was laughing. Wish I was bilingual, too.

Fuck it all.
We are watching the director’s cut of Das Boot. Going down…

That’s not bad taste, that’s what they TOLD him to have.
And he took it, instead of fighting it, from day one.
Because he WANTED it, or because it was FORCED on him?

Why?

I was seriously asking a question.

hugs Chris

Larue just has better, uh, WINE, (yeah that’s it) than we do!

A fiery crusty red wine, peppery, and rolls REALLY NICELY!

Thanks, it seems like a fun bunch here.

dunno. how much do our votes really count for? for me, the effectiveness of voting depends on informed and responsible electorates, who aren’t seduced by siren-like prettyboys.

what’s the point of a vote when we vote for people, like out current president (and his predecessor) who sell “change” without having to present a single number or logically defensible policy. Remember when Obama REFUSED to provide numbers or plans for healthcare or the economy during the primary campaign to rebut Clinton or Edwards more tangible platforms?

hey chris
*glug*

Hey Margot,
I’m just in shock. What babes in the woods are we…

Sheesh!

I know. Hard to get my head around it.

It’s a Long, Long Way to Tipperarary, a long way, that’s all!

Yer an excitable boy ain’tcha . . *G*

Rodney Crowell, On His Side Job

Great, great movie. Fassbinder wasn’t it?

Yanno, my buddy Michelle and her friend Gene just left here a bit ago. We made a couple hundred calls between the 3 of us, talking to mostly women Dems in California.

I’m wrapping my head around our efforts. I struggle for language to describe what we actually did, and what we heard.

My take then, is no, yer not enabling it by voting.

Late Late Night upstairs

No, Larue just apparently knows more about Americana Genre music than many of yas.

You kids just ain’t hip.

*G*

Women dems in CA? I’d hope they all feel the way most of us in here do.

Calling women pubs in Missouri, Texas (not Austin or Houston), Kansas, THAT’S a challenge.

*G*

So tell, how was it, what’s the general read? I pray they were mostly well informed and hip to the prog/lib thang?

Go upstairs to LLN, me darling mook. I’ll yak about it with ya there.

The U.S. Army War College warned in 2008 November warned in a monograph [click on Policypointers’ pdf link to see the report] titled “Known Unknowns: Unconventional ‘Strategic Shocks’ in Defense Strategy Development” of crash-induced unrest:

The military must be prepared, the document warned, for a “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States,” which could be provoked by “unforeseen economic collapse,” “purposeful domestic resistance,” “pervasive public health emergencies” or “loss of functioning political and legal order.” The “widespread civil violence,” the document said, “would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security.” “An American government and defense establishment lulled into complacency by a long-secure domestic order would be forced to rapidly divest some or most external security commitments in order to address rapidly expanding human insecurity at home,” it went on. “Under the most extreme circumstances, this might include use of military force against hostile groups inside the United States. Further, DoD [the Department of Defense] would be, by necessity, an essential enabling hub for the continuity of political authority in a multi-state or nationwide civil conflict or disturbance,” the document read.

fuckyes

sounds like Cheney’s wet dream.. to order Blackwater thugs to fire into a crowd in his own country. I’m half convinced that the worst of these people look at Kent State or Tiananmen Square and say, “That’s how it should be done!”

I’m half convinced that the worst of these people look at Kent State or Tiananmen Square and say, “Wusses!”